The UK government has said time and again it will NOT erect border posts on the island of Ireland. The EU on the other hand has EVERY intention of doing so. So please stop with all the anit British BS and show some patriotism. The EU are p***ed we're leaving and are doing everything they can to either halt the process or make it so untenable that they smack us back into sumbission and rejoin their draconian, anti democratic cartel.
The UK government has said time and again it will NOT erect border posts on the island of Ireland. The EU on the other hand has EVERY intention of doing so. So please stop with all the anit British BS and show some patriotism. The EU are p***ed we're leaving and are doing everything they can to either halt the process or make it so untenable that they smack us back into sumbission and rejoin their draconian, anti democratic cartel.
The position of the EU has not changed. From day one they have said they will not accept a hard border on the island of Ireland. The oh my God bit in capitals was very dramatic.
The UK government has said time and again it will NOT erect border posts on the island of Ireland. The EU on the other hand has EVERY intention of doing so. So please stop with all the anit British BS and show some patriotism. The EU are p***ed we're leaving and are doing everything they can to either halt the process or make it so untenable that they smack us back into sumbission and rejoin their draconian, anti democratic cartel.
Theresa May had a solution to avoid a hard border in Ireland, it was called the backstop. Boris didnt like the backstop, so he took it out of the Withdrawal Agreement. He no longer likes the Withdrawal Agreement that he signed, and is rushing the Internal Market Bill through Parliament. This Bill goes back on his word, and breaks International Law. I see nothing in his actions to feel patriotic about.
The UK government has said time and again it will NOT erect border posts on the island of Ireland. The EU on the other hand has EVERY intention of doing so. So please stop with all the anit British BS and show some patriotism. The EU are p***ed we're leaving and are doing everything they can to either halt the process or make it so untenable that they smack us back into sumbission and rejoin their draconian, anti democratic cartel.
Boris Johnson news – live: PM’s Brexit bill puts UK on ‘very slippery slope’ towards dictatorship, as Trump thanks him for support
Lord Neuberger, who was in charge of the court from 2012 to 2017, described the Internal Market Bill as “quite extraordinary and worrying” in an online meeting with Britain’s top lawyers.
It comes as a new study shows confidence in Downing Street’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic has slumped since the beginning of lockdown. Some 56 per cent recently now having “no confidence” in the government’s response to the crisis – up from 25 per cent in March.
The UK government has said time and again it will NOT erect border posts on the island of Ireland. The EU on the other hand has EVERY intention of doing so. So please stop with all the anit British BS and show some patriotism. The EU are p***ed we're leaving and are doing everything they can to either halt the process or make it so untenable that they smack us back into sumbission and rejoin their draconian, anti democratic cartel.
Brexit strategy puts UK on slippery slope to 'tyranny', lawyers told
Lord Howard told the online rally, which attracted more than a thousand participants, that he was “opposed to the clauses in the bill which breach international law”.
“I’m opposed because I think governments ought to keep their word and uphold treaties,” he said. “I hope this bill is defeated in parliament not in the courts.”
Dominic Grieve said not only did the bill breach international law, it contained an “ouster clause which goes to the heart of parliamentary democracy”, preventing the government being challenged over its actions.
Rather than Brexit being “an assertion of sovereignty,” Grieve added, “ it constitutes its undermining”.
The UK government has said time and again it will NOT erect border posts on the island of Ireland. The EU on the other hand has EVERY intention of doing so. So please stop with all the anit British BS and show some patriotism. The EU are p***ed we're leaving and are doing everything they can to either halt the process or make it so untenable that they smack us back into sumbission and rejoin their draconian, anti democratic cartel.
A ‘failure of politics’ if UK pushed through Brexit Bill – Irish minister
Attempts by the British Government to push through plans to override parts of the Brexit divorce deal would be a “monumental failure of politics and diplomacy”, it has been claimed.
Ireland’s Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Coveney said that if the UK allowed the issue to end up in court it would be a “folly”.
He said there is “no justification” for the Bill and said it is a negotiating tactic that has backfired on the British Government.
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Did they really? Werent we members at the time?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
You mean when they bailed them out for billions of Euros, and saved them, when we were part of it.
What on earth has any of the above got to do with Brexit?
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
The EU lent Greece almost 300 billion Euros, In return they did insist on austerity measures to enable them to be in a position to repay the loan. The Tories are famous for imposing austerity measures on us at around the same time.
Why did Ireland vote twice on the Lisbon Treaty?
“What do you want for dinner?” “I dunno. What are you getting?” “I reckon I might order a pizza. You up for it?” “What toppings?” “Pineapple and pepperoni.” “Ugh, no thanks. I don’t like pineapple.” “OK, will we just get a pizza with pepperoni on it then? Without the pineapple?” “I said no.” “What?” “I already said no.” “You said that you didn’t want pineapple?” “Yea, so why are you asking me again?” “You’re not really making any sense here, mate. I’m asking if you want a pizza without pineapple on it?” “How many times do I have to say no?”
The above conversation makes about as much sense as the claim that Ireland was forced to vote twice on the Lisbon Treaty.
Ill-informed fears. In 2007, the people of Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty because of a myriad of reasons. People from all parts of society had various motives and fears that influenced their decision to vote no. In the aftermath of the referendum’s defeat, all of these reasons were collated and studied.
A major part of the problem was that the treaty itself was complex. It was a legal document and those who created it obviously didn’t put much thought into how a treaty full of legal jargon could be sold to an electorate. As a result, a number of ill-informed fears about certain topics started to spread, some of which hadn’t even been mentioned in the treaty.
A number of people felt that the Lisbon Treaty could force us to increase our corporation tax. Others narrowed in on subjects such as abortion, conscription to some sort of super EU army and the lowering of the minimum wage.
It was one big confusing mess and the NO campaign took full advantage of it.
Guarantees. After the treaty was defeated in 2007, Ireland sought a number of guarantees from the EU. Consequently, we were able to get a number of legally-binding assurances about taxation, abortion and military neutrality. Furthermore, member states also agreed not to reduce the number of Commissioners in the European Union.
Basically, the fears that many people had about the Lisbon Treaty were collected, analysed and addressed. Therefore, the Irish government were able to go back to the people and ask them to vote again, with these new legally-binding assurances in mind.
Whenever this topic is brought up, Eurosceptics will often try to frame it as though Ireland was forced to vote on the exact same treaty twice.
This was not the case.
We had issues with the Lisbon Treaty and those issues were dealt with.
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
The EU lent Greece almost 300 billion Euros, In return they did insist on austerity measures to enable them to be in a position to repay the loan. The Tories are famous for imposing austerity measures on us at around the same time.
Why did Ireland vote twice on the Lisbon Treaty?
“What do you want for dinner?” “I dunno. What are you getting?” “I reckon I might order a pizza. You up for it?” “What toppings?” “Pineapple and pepperoni.” “Ugh, no thanks. I don’t like pineapple.” “OK, will we just get a pizza with pepperoni on it then? Without the pineapple?” “I said no.” “What?” “I already said no.” “You said that you didn’t want pineapple?” “Yea, so why are you asking me again?” “You’re not really making any sense here, mate. I’m asking if you want a pizza without pineapple on it?” “How many times do I have to say no?”
The above conversation makes about as much sense as the claim that Ireland was forced to vote twice on the Lisbon Treaty.
Ill-informed fears. In 2007, the people of Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty because of a myriad of reasons. People from all parts of society had various motives and fears that influenced their decision to vote no. In the aftermath of the referendum’s defeat, all of these reasons were collated and studied.
A major part of the problem was that the treaty itself was complex. It was a legal document and those who created it obviously didn’t put much thought into how a treaty full of legal jargon could be sold to an electorate. As a result, a number of ill-informed fears about certain topics started to spread, some of which hadn’t even been mentioned in the treaty.
A number of people felt that the Lisbon Treaty could force us to increase our corporation tax. Others narrowed in on subjects such as abortion, conscription to some sort of super EU army and the lowering of the minimum wage.
It was one big confusing mess and the NO campaign took full advantage of it.
Guarantees. After the treaty was defeated in 2007, Ireland sought a number of guarantees from the EU. Consequently, we were able to get a number of legally-binding assurances about taxation, abortion and military neutrality. Furthermore, member states also agreed not to reduce the number of Commissioners in the European Union.
Basically, the fears that many people had about the Lisbon Treaty were collected, analysed and addressed. Therefore, the Irish government were able to go back to the people and ask them to vote again, with these new legally-binding assurances in mind.
Whenever this topic is brought up, Eurosceptics will often try to frame it as though Ireland was forced to vote on the exact same treaty twice.
This was not the case.
We had issues with the Lisbon Treaty and those issues were dealt with.
Much of the stuff that applied to the Irish 2007 referendum, may have applied to our 2016 vote. In the second Irish referendum, where the public were better informed, the vote in favour rose by 21%.
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
Understanding the Downfall of Greece's Economy
KEY TAKEAWAYS: Greece defaulted in the amount of €1.6 billion to the IMF in 2015. The financial crisis was largely the result of structural problems that ignored the loss of tax revenues due to systematic tax evasion. Greece's productivity was much less productive than other EU nations making Greek goods and services less competitive and plunging the nation into insurmountable debt during the 2007 global financial crisis.
In 2004, the Greek government admitted that it had fudged its budget figures in order to join the Eurozone and boost its economy.
Much of this lack of revenue was the result of systematic tax evasion. Generally, self-employed, wealthier workers tended to under-report income while over-reporting debt payments. The prevalence of this behavior reveals that rather than being a behind-the-scenes problem, it was actually more of a social norm that was not remedied in time.
Where did the Greek bailout money go? Less than 10% of the money was used by the government for reforming its economy and safeguarding weaker members of society Only a small fraction of the €240bn (£170bn) total bailout money Greece received in 2010 and 2012 found its way into the government’s coffers to soften the blow of the 2008 financial crash and fund reform programmes.
What happens now Greece's financial bailout is over? But how did the country get here? Does this mean it has repaid its debts? And is the economy finally recovering?
What happened to Greece? The government in Athens borrowed excessively in the 2000s, taking advantage of the low market-interest rates available to members of the eurozone.
It also covered up the true extent of government debt.
The country was hit hard by the global recession in 2008 and financial markets suddenly panicked in 2010 that they would not get their money back from Greece, forcing up the state’s cost of borrowing to levels that would have led to default.
And can Athens now borrow freely from the private markets? Greece’s 10-year market borrowing costs are now around 4.3 per cent.
This is a remarkable recovery from the 35 per cent in 2012 when the private debt markets were essentially shut to Athens.
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
I wouldn’t take any notice of HAYSIE, as he goes ballistic if a different carer turns up. There’s stuff that he just can’t handle. I think he’s worried his medication will be held up at the ports.
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
I wouldn’t take any notice of HAYSIE, as he goes ballistic if a different carer turns up. There’s stuff that he just can’t handle. I think he’s worried his medication will be held up at the ports.
I only mentioned you as you have made the above spurious claims previously.
Watching someone that thinks they are a comedian and are hilarious, when they are patently not funny is embarrassing.
Be careful or I will ask you a question and you will have to disappear for a bit.
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
I wouldn’t take any notice of HAYSIE, as he goes ballistic if a different carer turns up. There’s stuff that he just can’t handle. I think he’s worried his medication will be held up at the ports.
I only mentioned you as you have made the above spurious claims previously.
Watching someone that thinks they are a comedian and are hilarious, when they are patently not funny is embarrassing.
Be careful or I will ask you a question and you will have to disappear for a bit.
I thought you were the master of funny. Cartoon man. Mr Ridicule. Mr I have no solutions .
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
I wouldn’t take any notice of HAYSIE, as he goes ballistic if a different carer turns up. There’s stuff that he just can’t handle. I think he’s worried his medication will be held up at the ports.
I only mentioned you as you have made the above spurious claims previously.
Watching someone that thinks they are a comedian and are hilarious, when they are patently not funny is embarrassing.
Be careful or I will ask you a question and you will have to disappear for a bit.
I thought you were the master of funny. Cartoon man. Mr Ridicule. Mr I have no solutions .<img src="https://us.v-
At least I post cartoons that are relevant to the thread I post them on.
@HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
I wouldn’t take any notice of HAYSIE, as he goes ballistic if a different carer turns up. There’s stuff that he just can’t handle. I think he’s worried his medication will be held up at the ports.
I only mentioned you as you have made the above spurious claims previously.
Watching someone that thinks they are a comedian and are hilarious, when they are patently not funny is embarrassing.
Be careful or I will ask you a question and you will have to disappear for a bit.
I thought you were the master of funny. Cartoon man. Mr Ridicule. Mr I have no solutions .<img src="https://us.v-
How do you think trading on WTO rules will affect us?
Will tariffs mean higher prices for consumers?
Do you think we should be breaking International Law?
What do you think we should do in regard to the Irish border?
Do you think fishing is important, when it turns over less than Harrods?
Do you think Boris is prepared to break International Law because he didnt understand the implications of the Withdrawal Agreement that he signed, or that he understood the implications, but always planned to go back on his word?
What happened to his oven ready deal?
What do you think of the chances of the trade deal with the USA?
How would the EU stop chlorinated chicken, and hormone fed beef entering the single market without border checks?
How do you reconcile taking back control of our borders with not having one?
@HAYSIE It was well known that the Greek economy was a basket case but still the EU went ahead and threw shedloads of cash at the country. They did the same with Spain, Portugal and to a lesser extent Ireland.
In their rush for expanding their superstate in all but name they incorporated many of the former Soviet Block countries despite those economies being substantially below the level of their counterparts in the west. This was always going to cause issues, both financial and politically.
The Lisbon treaty is a steaming pile of horse manure that tried to remove the independance of nation states and replace them with a Federal superstate.
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The UK government has said time and again it will NOT erect border posts on the island of Ireland. The EU on the other hand has EVERY intention of doing so. So please stop with all the anit British BS and show some patriotism. The EU are p***ed we're leaving and are doing everything they can to either halt the process or make it so untenable that they smack us back into sumbission and rejoin their draconian, anti democratic cartel.
From day one they have said they will not accept a hard border on the island of Ireland.
The oh my God bit in capitals was very dramatic.
Boris didnt like the backstop, so he took it out of the Withdrawal Agreement.
He no longer likes the Withdrawal Agreement that he signed, and is rushing the Internal Market Bill through Parliament.
This Bill goes back on his word, and breaks International Law.
I see nothing in his actions to feel patriotic about.
Lord Neuberger, who was in charge of the court from 2012 to 2017, described the Internal Market Bill as “quite extraordinary and worrying” in an online meeting with Britain’s top lawyers.
It comes as a new study shows confidence in Downing Street’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic has slumped since the beginning of lockdown. Some 56 per cent recently now having “no confidence” in the government’s response to the crisis – up from 25 per cent in March.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-news-live-pm-s-brexit-bill-puts-uk-on-very-slippery-slope-towards-dictatorship-as-trump-thanks-him-for-support/ar-BB19OCxd?ocid=msedgntp
Lord Howard told the online rally, which attracted more than a thousand participants, that he was “opposed to the clauses in the bill which breach international law”.
“I’m opposed because I think governments ought to keep their word and uphold treaties,” he said. “I hope this bill is defeated in parliament not in the courts.”
Dominic Grieve said not only did the bill breach international law, it contained an “ouster clause which goes to the heart of parliamentary democracy”, preventing the government being challenged over its actions.
Rather than Brexit being “an assertion of sovereignty,” Grieve added, “ it constitutes its undermining”.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-strategy-puts-uk-on-slippery-slope-to-tyranny-lawyers-told/ar-BB19NRw1?ocid=msedgntp
Attempts by the British Government to push through plans to override parts of the Brexit divorce deal would be a “monumental failure of politics and diplomacy”, it has been claimed.
Ireland’s Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Coveney said that if the UK allowed the issue to end up in court it would be a “folly”.
He said there is “no justification” for the Bill and said it is a negotiating tactic that has backfired on the British Government.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/failure-politics-uk-pushed-brexit-115139696.html
https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/liam-fox-knocked-race-lead-181439997.html
Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?
You mean when they bailed them out for billions of Euros, and saved them, when we were part of it.
What on earth has any of the above got to do with Brexit?
You seem to be grasping at straws.
In return they did insist on austerity measures to enable them to be in a position to repay the loan.
The Tories are famous for imposing austerity measures on us at around the same time.
Why did Ireland vote twice on the Lisbon Treaty?
“What do you want for dinner?”
“I dunno. What are you getting?”
“I reckon I might order a pizza. You up for it?”
“What toppings?”
“Pineapple and pepperoni.”
“Ugh, no thanks. I don’t like pineapple.”
“OK, will we just get a pizza with pepperoni on it then? Without the pineapple?”
“I said no.”
“What?”
“I already said no.”
“You said that you didn’t want pineapple?”
“Yea, so why are you asking me again?”
“You’re not really making any sense here, mate. I’m asking if you want a pizza without pineapple on it?”
“How many times do I have to say no?”
The above conversation makes about as much sense as the claim that Ireland was forced to vote twice on the Lisbon Treaty.
Ill-informed fears.
In 2007, the people of Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty because of a myriad of reasons. People from all parts of society had various motives and fears that influenced their decision to vote no. In the aftermath of the referendum’s defeat, all of these reasons were collated and studied.
A major part of the problem was that the treaty itself was complex. It was a legal document and those who created it obviously didn’t put much thought into how a treaty full of legal jargon could be sold to an electorate. As a result, a number of ill-informed fears about certain topics started to spread, some of which hadn’t even been mentioned in the treaty.
A number of people felt that the Lisbon Treaty could force us to increase our corporation tax. Others narrowed in on subjects such as abortion, conscription to some sort of super EU army and the lowering of the minimum wage.
It was one big confusing mess and the NO campaign took full advantage of it.
Guarantees.
After the treaty was defeated in 2007, Ireland sought a number of guarantees from the EU. Consequently, we were able to get a number of legally-binding assurances about taxation, abortion and military neutrality. Furthermore, member states also agreed not to reduce the number of Commissioners in the European Union.
Basically, the fears that many people had about the Lisbon Treaty were collected, analysed and addressed. Therefore, the Irish government were able to go back to the people and ask them to vote again, with these new legally-binding assurances in mind.
Whenever this topic is brought up, Eurosceptics will often try to frame it as though Ireland was forced to vote on the exact same treaty twice.
This was not the case.
We had issues with the Lisbon Treaty and those issues were dealt with.
So why wouldn’t we have voted again?
https://thisinterestsme.com/ireland-vote-twice-lisbon-treaty/
In the second Irish referendum, where the public were better informed, the vote in favour rose by 21%.
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
Greece defaulted in the amount of €1.6 billion to the IMF in 2015.
The financial crisis was largely the result of structural problems that ignored the loss of tax revenues due to systematic tax evasion.
Greece's productivity was much less productive than other EU nations making Greek goods and services less competitive and plunging the nation into insurmountable debt during the 2007 global financial crisis.
In 2004, the Greek government admitted that it had fudged its budget figures in order to join the Eurozone and boost its economy.
Much of this lack of revenue was the result of systematic tax evasion. Generally, self-employed, wealthier workers tended to under-report income while over-reporting debt payments. The prevalence of this behavior reveals that rather than being a behind-the-scenes problem, it was actually more of a social norm that was not remedied in time.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/070115/understanding-downfall-greeces-economy.asp
Where did the Greek bailout money go?
Less than 10% of the money was used by the government for reforming its economy and safeguarding weaker members of society
Only a small fraction of the €240bn (£170bn) total bailout money Greece received in 2010 and 2012 found its way into the government’s coffers to soften the blow of the 2008 financial crash and fund reform programmes.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/29/where-did-the-greek-bailout-money-go
What happens now Greece's financial bailout is over?
But how did the country get here? Does this mean it has repaid its debts? And is the economy finally recovering?
What happened to Greece?
The government in Athens borrowed excessively in the 2000s, taking advantage of the low market-interest rates available to members of the eurozone.
It also covered up the true extent of government debt.
The country was hit hard by the global recession in 2008 and financial markets suddenly panicked in 2010 that they would not get their money back from Greece, forcing up the state’s cost of borrowing to levels that would have led to default.
And can Athens now borrow freely from the private markets?
Greece’s 10-year market borrowing costs are now around 4.3 per cent.
This is a remarkable recovery from the 35 per cent in 2012 when the private debt markets were essentially shut to Athens.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/greece-bailout-ends-eu-what-now-greek-economy-a8499156.html
There’s stuff that he just can’t handle.
I think he’s worried his medication will be held up at the ports.
Watching someone that thinks they are a comedian and are hilarious, when they are patently not funny is embarrassing.
Be careful or I will ask you a question and you will have to disappear for a bit.
In their rush for expanding their superstate in all but name they incorporated many of the former Soviet Block countries despite those economies being substantially below the level of their counterparts in the west. This was always going to cause issues, both financial and politically.
The Lisbon treaty is a steaming pile of horse manure that tried to remove the independance of nation states and replace them with a Federal superstate.