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  • RinkhalsRinkhals Member Posts: 212
    @chilling I have noticed that he seems to a master of finger pointing but bereft of any suggestions. I suppose it's easier to regurgitatate press releases and pictures than think for yourself.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Rinkhals said:

    @HAYSIE It was well known that the Greek economy was a basket case but still the EU went ahead and threw shedloads of cash at the country. They did the same with Spain, Portugal and to a lesser extent Ireland.

    I think you will find that they lent them the money in order to save their economy.

    And can Athens now borrow freely from the private markets?
    Greece’s 10-year market borrowing costs are now around 4.3 per cent.

    This is a remarkable recovery from the 35 per cent in 2012 when the private debt markets were essentially shut to Athens.





    In their rush for expanding their superstate in all but name they incorporated many of the former Soviet Block countries despite those economies being substantially below the level of their counterparts in the west. This was always going to cause issues, both financial and politically.

    The Lisbon treaty is a steaming pile of horse manure that tried to remove the independance of nation states and replace them with a Federal superstate.


    But they havent.


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    Rinkhals said:

    @HAYSIE Oh the greta and glorious EU. Of course there was nothing at all dictatorial about them insisting the Irish government held a 2nd referendum when the first one didn't go their way was there?

    Or what about the punitive measures taken against Greece with the bail out plan?

    I wouldn’t take any notice of HAYSIE, as he goes ballistic if a different carer turns up.
    There’s stuff that he just can’t handle.
    I think he’s worried his medication will be held up at the ports.
    I only mentioned you as you have made the above spurious claims previously.

    Watching someone that thinks they are a comedian and are hilarious, when they are patently not funny is embarrassing.

    Be careful or I will ask you a question and you will have to disappear for a bit.
    I thought you were the master of funny. Cartoon man. Mr Ridicule. Mr I have no solutions .image
    Thought you would disappear as usual.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    edited October 2020
    How do you think trading on WTO rules will affect us?

    Will tariffs mean higher prices for consumers?

    Do you think we should be breaking International Law?

    What do you think we should do in regard to the Irish border?

    Do you think fishing is important, when it turns over less than Harrods?

    Do you think Boris is prepared to break International Law because he didnt understand the implications of the Withdrawal Agreement that he signed, or that he understood the implications, but always planned to go back on his word?

    What happened to his oven ready deal?

    What do you think of the chances of the trade deal with the USA?

    How would the EU stop chlorinated chicken, and hormone fed beef entering the single market without border checks?

    How do you reconcile taking back control of our borders with not having one?

    Passports for truck drivers to get into Kent?

    You cant can you?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Campaigners in last-ditch push to protect farming standards post-Brexit




    Campaigners are staging a last-ditch attempt to enshrine food safety and animal welfare standards in UK law after Brexit, as the agriculture bill returns this week for debate and
    a series of votes in both houses of parliament.

    The government is said to be adamantly opposed to legislating for a continuation of the high standards required under EU law, with farmers asked instead to rely on ministerial assurances that standards will be upheld after Brexit.

    Farmers are concerned that allowing food to be imported that does not meet the UK’s current safety and animal welfare standards will open the country up to inhumane and unsafe imports, and undermine domestic production. They are not convinced by assurances that ministers will uphold standards post-Brexit without a legally binding commitment in the agriculture bill.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/campaigners-in-last-ditch-push-to-protect-farming-standards-post-brexit/ar-BB19VAoQ?ocid=msedgntp
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,939
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    edited October 2020
    It amazed me how many farmers (and fishermen) supported Brexit.

    It might well suit a UK-only operator whose competition is largely EU (like Spoons), but UK farmers are going to be undercut by all sorts of operators who can make things cheaper by avoiding various health and safety measures, which the UK doesn't seem to want to bother with after leaving the EU, and exporting to the EU will as a result become next to impossible for them.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    lucy4 said:

    Here's one for you @HAYSIE tonight Channel 4 at 8 o'clock.
    https://www.channel4.com/programmes/dirty-secrets-of-american-food

    Thanks I will have a look.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    It amazed me how many farmers (and fishermen) supported Brexit.

    It might well suit a UK-only operator whose competition is largely EU (like Spoons), but UK farmers are going to be undercut by all sorts of operators who can make things cheaper by avoiding various health and safety measures, which the UK doesn't seem to want to bother with after leaving the EU, and exporting to the EU will as a result become next to impossible for them.

    The EU Common Fisheries Policy has helped, not harmed, UK fisheries
    With an In/Out referendum on the horizon, we take a look at one of the EU's most maligned and misunderstood policies.

    Quota management in the EU began for the majority of commercial fish stocks with the first CFP implemented in 1983, a time when fish stocks were at low levels and fishing pressure was still high. Gradually fishing pressure has decreased for quota species and some fish stocks are now growing. In contrast, EU fish stocks that do not fall under quota management (e.g. fish stocks in Mediterranean waters or sea bass in the Northeast Atlantic) have not seen fishing pressure decline over this time.

    If we had acted sooner to reduce fishing pressure, we could already be harvesting higher yields and supporting coastal communities. Unfortunately, quota proposals to rebuild fish stocks have been resisted by some sectors within the fishing industry as “absolutely diabolical” and “catastrophic for the industry”. Now that some stocks have been rebuilt and quotas are increasing, the same voices conclude that agreed fishing quotas “get the balance right”.

    It is also worth noting that even now, when stocks are being rebuilt, the UK industry’s gross profit margin has increased from a healthy 15% in 2008 to 35% in 2014 and now stands at €367 million, the highest in the EU. For the UK fishing industry, EU management seems to be delivering benefits despite protests coming from the UK itself.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/eu-common-fisheries-policy-has-helped-not-harmed-uk-fisheries-0/
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Firms move €150bn of UK assets to France ahead of Brexit



    https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/firms-move-150bn-uk-assets-114115437.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Brexit news – live: Boris Johnson ‘must decide whether he wants deal’, as France threatens no-deal over fishing rights



    France is threatening to force a no-deal Brexit unless the UK backs down over fishing rights. French fishermen would rather have “no agreement than a bad agreement,” said the country’s fishing minister. Emmanuel Macron’s top ally in Brussels said it was time for Boris Johnson to “decide” whether he really wants a deal, and intervene to make it happen.
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-must-decide-whether-he-wants-deal-as-france-threatens-no-deal-over-fishing-rights/ar-BB19VNIV?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Brexit talks to continue past no-deal deadline with PM to be told agreement can still be reached




    Boris Johnson will delay a decision on whether to quit the Brexit trade negotiations until after the European Council summit ends on Friday, after it became clear his no-deal
    deadline will be missed tomorrow.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-talks-to-continue-past-no-deal-deadline-with-pm-to-be-told-agreement-can-still-be-reached/ar-BB1a0Rb3?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    No 10 startled by EU insistence that UK accept Brexit trade terms
    Bloc’s stance apparently taken as challenge to Boris Johnson’s threat to walk out on talks



    Downing Street reacted in dismay as Emmanuel Macron led EU leaders in warning Boris Johnson that he must swallow the bloc’s conditions, in what appeared to be taken as a direct challenge to the British prime minister’s threat to walk out on the talks.

    At a summit in Brussels, the EU proposed a further “two to three weeks” of negotiations but Europe’s heads of state and government offered Johnson little succour, demanding that he alone needed to “make the necessary moves to make an agreement possible”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/15/uk-must-make-necessary-moves-for-brexit-deal-leaked-eu-document
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,458
    Still...there are many advantages of the no deal agenda

    All of the financial supporters of a no deal are estimated to earn £165 TRILLION
    America will eventually provide us with cheap meats
    We will pursue an Australian not a Canadian style trading arrangement
    Oh yes, forgot ... we’ve taken back control....

    Rees Mogg, Bojo , Gove, Cummins et al can be found chuckling away whilst they share a bottle of Roederer Crystal to toast the voting public

  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    edited October 2020
    I’d regard drinking Roederer Cristal as a punishment, if consumed whilst still sober.
    All Champagne tastes shite.


    You can get 220 cans of Stella for the price of 1 £200.00 bottle Roederer Cristal. Tough choice. Not.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
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