The choice for any deal really comes down to a Backstop, or The Customs Union.
The EU aren't bothered which, but will insist on one of them.
116 of her own MPs voted against her on Tuesday.
The ERG which is around 80 of them wont vote for either.
If she agreed to The Customs Union, it would come under trade negotiations, which are later, so she would probably have to still agree to a Backstop in the meantime.
Prime Minister’s Brexit talks ‘not genuine’, Jeremy Corbyn claims
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has reaffirmed his refusal to meet Theresa May for Brexit talks unless she is prepared to rule out a no-deal break with the EU.
In a letter to the Prime Minister, Mr Corbyn – the only Westminster leader to reject her offer of a meeting – said the talks were “not genuine” and accused her of trying to “play for time”
Following the crushing defeat of her Brexit deal in the Commons, he said she had – through her spokesmen – rejected a customs union, which he said was necessary for any new deal to win support in Parliament.
He complained she had also made clear she remained unwilling to consider extending the Article 50 withdrawal process – Britain is due to leave the EU on March 29 – or a second referendum.
“Whatever one thinks of those issues, that reinforces the view these are not genuine talks, but designed to play for time and give the appearance of reaching out, while sticking rigidly to your own emphatically rejected deal,” he wrote.
Brexit: Did Boris Johnson talk Turkey during referendum campaign?
The claim: Boris Johnson told a Channel 4 News reporter that he "didn't say anything about Turkey during the referendum. Since I made no remarks…I can't disown them". Reality Check verdict: Boris Johnson talked about the issue of Turkey joining the EU several times in the lead-up to 23 June 2016 and was co-signatory of a letter to the prime minister warning about Turkish membership a week before the vote.
The former foreign secretary Boris Johnson has been criticised, after denying that he had ever said anything about possible Turkish membership of the EU during the referendum campaign in 2016.
In fact Mr Johnson did talk about Turkey on several occasions during the referendum campaign, often pointing out - correctly - that it was official government policy for Turkey to join the EU. A week before the Brexit vote he was also the co-signatory of a letter to the prime minister, which spoke of the "rapidly accelerating pace" of Turkey's accession negotiations.
Turkey's long-standing application for EU membership has actually been stuck in the slow lane for years, and it is no nearer joining the EU now than it was a decade ago. Mr Johnson, whose great-grandfather was Turkish, was a leading member of the Vote Leave campaign, which produced a poster with the slogan: "Turkey, population 76 million, is joining the EU. Vote Leave - Take Back Control." It was the suggestion that Turkish accession could be imminent, and that millions of Turks could soon travel to the UK, which caused controversy.
After the denial by the former foreign secretary, the Labour MP Chuka Umunna said it was "yet another lie" over which Mr Johnson had been "caught out". Mr Johnson's spokesman declined to comment
May lays out why she cant remove the no deal option , Phillip hammond says it could be removed in a matter of days , and Andrea Leadsom warns that taking " no deal " off the table would be irresponsible ( suggesting that it is possible ) . So which one of these Tories is actually telling the truth ?...if any .
They are spending £4billion on no deal preparations, and robbing peoples pensions at the same time. (see politics thread)
She has also reassured The ERG this afternoon, that she wont contemplate a Customs Union, and has no intention of ruling out no deal.
Yea corbyn said in his speech about 4.8 billion being put aside for no deal .
As far as the no deal issue ...i'm genuinely confused ...this is from the bbc news site
"In a letter to the Labour leader, the PM wrote that ruling out no deal was an "impossible condition" as it was not within the government's power to do it.
The following was in her letter to Corbyn : " "I note that you have said that 'ruling out' no deal is a precondition before we can meet, but that is an impossible condition because it is not within the Government's power to rule out no deal.
"Let me explain why. Under Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union and the Withdrawal Act 2018, we will leave the EU without a deal on 29 March unless Parliament either agrees a deal with the EU or the UK revokes article 50 and chooses to stay in the EU permanently.
"So there are two way to avoid no deal: either vote for a deal, in particular a Withdrawal Agreement, that has been agreed with the EU, or to revoke Article 50 and overturn the referendum result.
"I believe it would be wrong to overturn the referendum result."
Why are there no politicians , ( that I have seen ) , querying the validity of that statement?
Reason is very simple. It is correct.
It takes 2 people to make a deal-in this case the UK and the EU. How can just 1 of those parties completely rule out not making a deal with the other?
On the 1 side you have a PM who has zero people skills desperately trying to make friends within her own party and (belatedly) other parties.
The only sensible thing Corbyn has said on the subject, as you rightly said, is that "all options remain on the table". And then the first thing he says when invited to talks, is to demand as a precondition that one option is removed from that self-same table. Completely ignoring the fact that May is desperately trying to avoid no deal. The fool. He has to be the only Labour politician who could fail to have a 10-point lead in the polls. I'd almost rather have Tory Blair back.
If we end up as no deal, if economists are right, then many businesses will fail. And many people will lose their jobs. And that may well spell the end of the Conservative and Labour parties as we now know them. Perhaps if more MPs had ever had a real job, rather than just working for think tanks, they might realise that.
It can be done according to this.
Theresa May could easily rule out no-deal Brexit. She won’t – she needs the threat of chaos to survive The reason May won’t make the commitment isn’t legal, it’s political: she needs to maintain the threat of no deal, even though she knows the country is ill-prepared for it
No, she can't unilaterally demand an agreement with someone else, particularly when we have already rejected their terms. That said, it would be easy to agree that that particular backstop is one that will be the last resort.
Completely true that she is using no deal as the boogeyman-that is no more and no less ridiculous than the Labour position. All party politics, no actual work being done.
And March draws ever closer.
No-deal Brexit: Can Parliament stop it?
The EU Withdrawal Act sets 29 March as the date of departure.
The wording of the act does allow a minister to change the definition of "exit day" relatively quickly using a statutory instrument - a piece of secondary legislation - rather than an entirely new act of Parliament that would need to be debated. A minister would have to propose the change and MPs would have to approve it.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
How do you think we could move forward then?
The difficulty is getting people to compromise. I suspect that the answer lies somewhere between Canada and Norway-type deals.
The only realistic consensus has to come from the centre-left of the Tories and the centre-right of Labour, purely from a numbers perspective.
The traditional parties need to remember just how easily a brand new party swept to power in France.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
The polls show that there is a majority for remain.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
The polls show that there is a majority for remain.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
How do you think we could move forward then?
The difficulty is getting people to compromise. I suspect that the answer lies somewhere between Canada and Norway-type deals.
The only realistic consensus has to come from the centre-left of the Tories and the centre-right of Labour, purely from a numbers perspective.
The traditional parties need to remember just how easily a brand new party swept to power in France.
This completely ignores the fact that to even talk about any deal they have to pass The Withdrawal Agreement. The ERG, and DUP will never vote for it, while it includes The Backstop.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
The polls show that there is a majority for remain.
I am not saying that a second referendum is an ideal solution. just that it is a solution.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
How do you think we could move forward then?
The difficulty is getting people to compromise. I suspect that the answer lies somewhere between Canada and Norway-type deals.
The only realistic consensus has to come from the centre-left of the Tories and the centre-right of Labour, purely from a numbers perspective.
The traditional parties need to remember just how easily a brand new party swept to power in France.
This completely ignores the fact that to even talk about any deal they have to pass The Withdrawal Agreement. The ERG, and DUP will never vote for it, while it includes The Backstop.
The EU wont have it , without The Backstop.
The DUP have always said they are open to the idea of some kind of time limit on the backstop...that as far as I'm aware hasn't been explored as an option by May.
"She also has to be mindful of the fact that the DUP is not the only voice on Brexit in Northern Ireland, with a majority of parties and business groups actually urging support for the backstop.
But as a prime minister who's referred to herself as a "proud unionist", the DUP will be keen to see her live up to that."
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
It doesn't alter the fact that a huge majority of old people voted in favour of leaving, and a massive majority of young people voted in favour of remaining. As the old people die off and the young people become able to vote, you would think that would swing the vote in favour of remain, excluding anyone changing their mind, after 30 months of pathetic negotiations.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
The polls show that there is a majority for remain.
The polls don't always get it right, but there has been a trend in that direction. I don't know loads about polling, but of the previous two that I have posted, one didn't quote a number of participants, and the other surveyed 26,000, which I thought was quite a lot. Some polls are published that contacted 1,000 people.
Leave voters dying and Remainers reaching voting age means majority will soon oppose Brexit, study finds Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study. Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016. “This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
This completely ignores the fact that people change as they get older.
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
How do you think we could move forward then?
The difficulty is getting people to compromise. I suspect that the answer lies somewhere between Canada and Norway-type deals.
The only realistic consensus has to come from the centre-left of the Tories and the centre-right of Labour, purely from a numbers perspective.
The traditional parties need to remember just how easily a brand new party swept to power in France.
This completely ignores the fact that to even talk about any deal they have to pass The Withdrawal Agreement. The ERG, and DUP will never vote for it, while it includes The Backstop.
The EU wont have it , without The Backstop.
The DUP have always said they are open to the idea of some kind of time limit on the backstop...that as far as I'm aware hasn't been explored as an option by May.
"She also has to be mindful of the fact that the DUP is not the only voice on Brexit in Northern Ireland, with a majority of parties and business groups actually urging support for the backstop.
But as a prime minister who's referred to herself as a "proud unionist", the DUP will be keen to see her live up to that."
In saying that I think you are overlooking the power that The DUP have. Withdrawal of their support could collapse The Government.
They have a number of issues with Backstop which look unsolvable.
A time limited Backstop is impossible, as it is designed to last until a trade deal is agreed, and who could say how long that might take, when we are where we are today.
The EU have confirmed that a time limited Backstop will not be possible.
The Dup are important to The Government as the means by which they stay in power, but less important in terms of getting any deal through, as she needs to switch 116 MPs, and The DUP are ten.
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The choice for any deal really comes down to a Backstop, or The Customs Union.
The EU aren't bothered which, but will insist on one of them.
116 of her own MPs voted against her on Tuesday.
The ERG which is around 80 of them wont vote for either.
If she agreed to The Customs Union, it would come under trade negotiations, which are later, so she would probably have to still agree to a Backstop in the meantime.
Former Tory minister: customs union or no Brexit
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has reaffirmed his refusal to meet Theresa May for Brexit talks unless she is prepared to rule out a no-deal break with the EU.
In a letter to the Prime Minister, Mr Corbyn – the only Westminster leader to reject her offer of a meeting – said the talks were “not genuine” and accused her of trying to “play for time”
Following the crushing defeat of her Brexit deal in the Commons, he said she had – through her spokesmen – rejected a customs union, which he said was necessary for any new deal to win support in Parliament.
He complained she had also made clear she remained unwilling to consider extending the Article 50 withdrawal process – Britain is due to leave the EU on March 29 – or a second referendum.
“Whatever one thinks of those issues, that reinforces the view these are not genuine talks, but designed to play for time and give the appearance of reaching out, while sticking rigidly to your own emphatically rejected deal,” he wrote.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/prime-minister’s-brexit-talks-‘not-genuine’-jeremy-corbyn-claims/ar-BBSrh3F?ocid=spartandhp
Brexit: Did Boris Johnson talk Turkey during referendum campaign?
The claim: Boris Johnson told a Channel 4 News reporter that he "didn't say anything about Turkey during the referendum. Since I made no remarks…I can't disown them".
Reality Check verdict: Boris Johnson talked about the issue of Turkey joining the EU several times in the lead-up to 23 June 2016 and was co-signatory of a letter to the prime minister warning about Turkish membership a week before the vote.
The former foreign secretary Boris Johnson has been criticised, after denying that he had ever said anything about possible Turkish membership of the EU during the referendum campaign in 2016.
In fact Mr Johnson did talk about Turkey on several occasions during the referendum campaign, often pointing out - correctly - that it was official government policy for Turkey to join the EU.
A week before the Brexit vote he was also the co-signatory of a letter to the prime minister, which spoke of the "rapidly accelerating pace" of Turkey's accession negotiations.
Turkey's long-standing application for EU membership has actually been stuck in the slow lane for years, and it is no nearer joining the EU now than it was a decade ago.
Mr Johnson, whose great-grandfather was Turkish, was a leading member of the Vote Leave campaign, which produced a poster with the slogan: "Turkey, population 76 million, is joining the EU. Vote Leave - Take Back Control."
It was the suggestion that Turkish accession could be imminent, and that millions of Turks could soon travel to the UK, which caused controversy.
After the denial by the former foreign secretary, the Labour MP Chuka Umunna said it was "yet another lie" over which Mr Johnson had been "caught out".
Mr Johnson's spokesman declined to comment
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46926119
The EU Withdrawal Act sets 29 March as the date of departure.
The wording of the act does allow a minister to change the definition of "exit day" relatively quickly using a statutory instrument - a piece of secondary legislation - rather than an entirely new act of Parliament that would need to be debated. A minister would have to propose the change and MPs would have to approve it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46799778
Demographic changes mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000
A majority of British voters will soon back staying in the EU as more Leave backers die and Remain supporters reach voting age, according to a new study.
Analysis by the former president of YouGov found demographic changes mean around half a million fewer people each year, or around 1,350 a day, now support Brexit – meaning there will soon be enough to overturn the Brexit vote if there was a second referendum.
Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.
Writing for The Independent, he said: “Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016.
“This means that by 29 March, it will be difficult to sustain the argument that the settled view of the British electorate is that Brexit should take place. We are told that we should ‘respect the verdict of the people’, and not reopen the decision they – we – reached in 2016.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-remain-vote-support-against-poll-uk-europe-final-say-yougov-second-referendum-peter-a8541971.html
That is why the "no deal" group appears to have an average age of about 70 (even assuming Lord Snooty isn't from the 14th Century)-who cares about the future if you either have none, or a £Millions Trust Fund? But there will always be people converting to that view.
As a country, we need to move past the idea of re-running the referendum. In my view, Neil Kinnock had the only policies to help us move forward in 1992, ditto Ed Milliband. But the right-wing press concentrated purely on the individual leading the Labour Party, and ignored the real issues. Guess what?-we didn't rerun those elections til we got it right. Same here. We need to be concentrating on making the best of it, rather than running old battles.
I suspect that the answer lies somewhere between Canada and Norway-type deals.
The only realistic consensus has to come from the centre-left of the Tories and the centre-right of Labour, purely from a numbers perspective.
The traditional parties need to remember just how easily a brand new party swept to power in France.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/how-eu-referendum-pollsters-wrong-opinion-predict-close
The ERG, and DUP will never vote for it, while it includes The Backstop.
The EU wont have it , without The Backstop.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46903876
"She also has to be mindful of the fact that the DUP is not the only voice on Brexit in Northern Ireland, with a majority of parties and business groups actually urging support for the backstop.
But as a prime minister who's referred to herself as a "proud unionist", the DUP will be keen to see her live up to that."
As the old people die off and the young people become able to vote, you would think that would swing the vote in favour of remain, excluding anyone changing their mind, after 30 months of pathetic negotiations.
They have a number of issues with Backstop which look unsolvable.
A time limited Backstop is impossible, as it is designed to last until a trade deal is agreed, and who could say how long that might take, when we are where we are today.
The EU have confirmed that a time limited Backstop will not be possible.
The Dup are important to The Government as the means by which they stay in power, but less important in terms of getting any deal through, as she needs to switch 116 MPs, and The DUP are ten.
Northern Ireland voted to remain.