Oh dear You keep slating Jeremy Corbyn, a man who wanted peace in Northern Ireland. What’s best when there’s warring factions? Give those you support more weapons? Or try to engage in dialogue?
it is equally fatuous to say that any peace could have been brokered without the IRA: indeed, at the time the peace process truly got underway, one such torpid effort (initiated by then Tory MP Peter Brooke) had been drifting along uselessly since 1991. Republican participation would set off a crisis of Unionist faith and mistrust, fearful its hegemony would be troubled by a no-longer credible ‘enemy within’; Ian Paisley, the Unionist hardliner and Protestant fundamentalist, was master of this tactic.
corbyn on platform with ira terrorists, and halfwit diane abbot supported the ira, when the ira were still active in killing innocent Men, Women and Children including BRITISH TROOPS. But you say you wont sign the petition for the BRITISH TROOPS PHOTOGRAPHED WITH TOMMY.
You really don't understand the role of the British soldier. They are there to do what their commanding officers tell them to do. So (for example) in the 1970s the Army were asked to carry out some frankly dodgy stuff judged by today's standards. But they did their duty. Including the Catholic members of the Army. Because that is what a soldier does in his job.
It is entirely possible that at some stage there is going to be a major confrontation between the Bigotmeister and people who are opposed to him. And it may well be the Army's job to stop that. They will not be taking sides, just doing their job, irrespective of the various sympathies and hatred they may privately have.
The soldiers in question were trainees. They should have known better than to be used as propaganda by an Extremist. But Trainees need to learn. They will know now not to be caught by extremists, be that racist wife-beating violent drug-dealing fraudsters, or Communists. The soldiers in question will want that picture to fade from people's memories as quickly as possible, not be used as political pawns. Any true supporter of our troops should recognise that.
PS-I would love to see your hero explain his views to our Gurkha Regiment.
The Queens Regulations for the Army (1975) para J5.581 states: Regular personnel are not to take any active part in the affairs of any political organisation, party, or movement. They are not to participate in political marches or demonstrations. No restriction is to be placed upon the attendance at political meetings of such personnel, provided that uniform is not worn, Service duties are not impeded and no action is taken which would bring the Service into disrepute. Whilst organisations may not be allied to any particular political party, an organisation that seeks to effect change to the laws or customs of this country can be considered to be a political organisation or movement. The active participation of a Serviceman in the activities of such an organisation could well be prejudicial to good order and Service discipline. It should be made clear to all ranks that they represent their Service, particularly when in uniform, and, irrespective of their personal beliefs and feelings, it may well be prejudicial to Service discipline for them to participate in, or appear to encourage, any controversial rally, protest march or demonstration, as such participation is incompatible with their duty as soldiers. They may not disseminate propaganda on behalf of any political or quasi-political organisation. See also 2008DIN03-020 (Contact with the Media and Communicating in Public). If it is thought that an offence has occurred, legal advice should be sought as to what charge, if any, should be brought.
The Queens Regulations for the Army (1975) para J5.581 states: Regular personnel are not to take any active part in the affairs of any political organisation, party, or movement. They are not to participate in political marches or demonstrations. No restriction is to be placed upon the attendance at political meetings of such personnel, provided that uniform is not worn, Service duties are not impeded and no action is taken which would bring the Service into disrepute. Whilst organisations may not be allied to any particular political party, an organisation that seeks to effect change to the laws or customs of this country can be considered to be a political organisation or movement. The active participation of a Serviceman in the activities of such an organisation could well be prejudicial to good order and Service discipline. It should be made clear to all ranks that they represent their Service, particularly when in uniform, and, irrespective of their personal beliefs and feelings, it may well be prejudicial to Service discipline for them to participate in, or appear to encourage, any controversial rally, protest march or demonstration, as such participation is incompatible with their duty as soldiers. They may not disseminate propaganda on behalf of any political or quasi-political organisation. See also 2008DIN03-020 (Contact with the Media and Communicating in Public). If it is thought that an offence has occurred, legal advice should be sought as to what charge, if any, should be brought.
Tommy is not in any Political party, I am puzzled by which one of the Regs they have broken by having a photo with TOMMY.
Whilst organisations may not be allied to any particular political party, an organisation that seeks to effect change to the laws or customs of this country can be considered to be a political organisation or movement. The active participation of a Serviceman in the activities of such an organisation could well be prejudicial to good order and Service discipline
personal beliefs and feelings, it may well be prejudicial to Service discipline for them to participate in, or appear to encourage, any controversial rally, protest march or demonstration, as such participation is incompatible with their duty as soldiers. They may not disseminate propaganda on behalf of any political or quasi-political organisation. See also 2008DIN03-020 (Contact with the Media and Communicating in Public).
I’ve put into smaller bits to make it easier to understand for you, I’m nice like that.
personal beliefs and feelings, it may well be prejudicial to Service discipline for them to participate in, or appear to encourage, any controversial rally, protest march or demonstration, as such participation is incompatible with their duty as soldiers. They may not disseminate propaganda on behalf of any political or quasi-political organisation. See also 2008DIN03-020 (Contact with the Media and Communicating in Public).
I’ve put into smaller bits to make it easier to understand for you, I’m nice like that.
They took a selfie, so nothing political or extremist, the man who raised the complaint, was the BRITISH ARMY S muslim adviser, from the muslim council of Britain, the same council whose senior member said British troops were a legitimate target. REBEL MEDIA SIGN THE PETITION. corbyn and halfwit abbot shares platform with murderers of the ira and thats ok. If you go on TOMMYS FB page you will see that many BRITISH SOLDIERS ARE NOW FOLLOWING TOMMY. The unwashed left are TOMMY,S BEST ALLIES, keep up the good work. REBEL MEDIA SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS.
So you think the Queens regs ( which you quoted ) should be ignored because a Muslim adviser made a complaint ? Would it be better if a Christian adviser had made the complaint ? Or a Buddhist?
So you think the Queens regs ( which you quoted ) should be ignored because a Muslim adviser made a complaint ? Would it be better if a Christian adviser had made the complaint ? Or a Buddhist?
Rainman, you seem to have beef (no pun) with the complaint that the MCoB made regarding the photo.
Of course they would complain about it. Having recruits in uniform taking selfies and chanting the name of a person that holds very anti-Muslim views is gonna have consequences.
It turns out for one of the recruits, who apparently was already on a final warning for previous poor behaviour, this was the final straw for his bosses and they have got rid. Just like in any job, if you can't abide by the rules and do your duties properly then your managers will move you on. The army is no different in that respect.
So no, he wasn't ''sacked because of a photo'', otherwise every person in that picture would've been given the elbow.
I know none of that ^^^ will sink into your cabbage brain but at least try and understand it.
Many members of the DFLA crowd appeared extremely angry with police, screaming at them for perceived inaction against “paedos and grooming gangs”.
Do you have the same views as those marching and threatening the police Rainman ? From what you have been posting I would guess that’s a rhetorical question.
We live in a democracy with freedom of speech, if the people you are banging the drum about and supporting get in power, that freedom will be eroded , you’re aware of that I suppose? Have you learned NOTHING from history.
You disgust me with your far right rhetoric.
Please, for the sake of any of your young relatives, EDUCATE YOURSELF. My last word on this topic.
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Regular personnel are not to take any active part in the affairs of any political organisation, party, or movement. They are not to participate in political marches or demonstrations.
No restriction is to be placed upon the attendance at political meetings of such personnel, provided that uniform is not worn, Service duties are not impeded and no action is taken which would bring the Service into disrepute.
Whilst organisations may not be allied to any particular political party, an organisation that seeks to effect change to the laws or customs of this country can be considered to be a political organisation or movement. The active participation of a Serviceman in the activities of such an organisation could well be prejudicial to good order and Service discipline.
It should be made clear to all ranks that they represent their Service, particularly when in uniform, and, irrespective of their personal beliefs and feelings, it may well be prejudicial to Service discipline for them to participate in, or appear to encourage, any controversial rally, protest march or demonstration, as such participation is incompatible with their duty as soldiers. They may not disseminate propaganda on behalf of any political or quasi-political organisation. See also 2008DIN03-020 (Contact with the Media and Communicating in Public).
If it is thought that an offence has occurred, legal advice should be sought as to what charge, if any, should be brought.
I am puzzled by which one of the Regs they have broken by having a photo with TOMMY.
Try reading it.
I’ve put into smaller bits to make it easier to understand for you, I’m nice like that.
REBEL MEDIA SIGN THE PETITION.
corbyn and halfwit abbot shares platform with murderers of the ira and thats ok.
If you go on TOMMYS FB page you will see that many BRITISH SOLDIERS ARE NOW FOLLOWING TOMMY.
The unwashed left are TOMMY,S BEST ALLIES, keep up the good work.
REBEL MEDIA SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS.
Would it be better if a Christian adviser had made the complaint ? Or a Buddhist?
TBF I might have been wrong, you appear to have a cabbage for a brain so perhaps you are a vegetarian after all.
Of course they would complain about it. Having recruits in uniform taking selfies and chanting the name of a person that holds very anti-Muslim views is gonna have consequences.
It turns out for one of the recruits, who apparently was already on a final warning for previous poor behaviour, this was the final straw for his bosses and they have got rid. Just like in any job, if you can't abide by the rules and do your duties properly then your managers will move you on. The army is no different in that respect.
So no, he wasn't ''sacked because of a photo'', otherwise every person in that picture would've been given the elbow.
I know none of that ^^^ will sink into your cabbage brain but at least try and understand it.
Many members of the DFLA crowd appeared extremely angry with police, screaming at them for perceived inaction against “paedos and grooming gangs”.
Do you have the same views as those marching and threatening the police Rainman ?
From what you have been posting I would guess that’s a rhetorical question.
We live in a democracy with freedom of speech, if the people you are banging the drum about and supporting get in power, that freedom will be eroded , you’re aware of that I suppose? Have you learned NOTHING from history.
You disgust me with your far right rhetoric.
Please, for the sake of any of your young relatives, EDUCATE YOURSELF.
My last word on this topic.
Obv not unfortunately!