Dropping like flies Scottish MEP David Coburn was also revealed to have left UKIP on Friday, claiming the party is heading towards an "anti-Islam" platform
Cue google search to discredit him...
Happy to help : In 2015, Coburn compared Scottish government minister Humza Yousaf to the convicted terrorist Abu Hamza, later apologising and calling it a "joke".
In 2016, it had been reported that Coburn's Chief of Staff, Arthur (Misty) Thackeray had been arrested for making a string of indecent phone-calls of a sexual nature, to a number of unsuspecting women, some of which took place in Coburn's Edinburgh constituency office. Thackeray, who also served as interim chairman of UKIP in Scotland resigned from his position in wake of the allegations which he denied and was defended by Coburn in a tweet where he stated that Thackeray was "Innocent until proven guilty." In January 2017, Thackeray pleaded guilty to making indecent phone-calls and was sentenced by Glasgow Sheriff Court in February 2017 to 270 hours of community service and will appear on the Sex Offenders Register for three years. After his sentencing, Thackeray continued his employment with Coburn until April of that year when he was eventually dismissed by Coburn for Gross Misconduct.
What I don't really get though is , what makes you feel the need to illustrate whos leaving a party ( that you have no respect for ) , because of TR's appointment .
Erm ... Because this thread is about TR perhaps.. You seem rather adept at discrediting opponents of TR- How’s your googling of TR misdeeds coming along? You not being a fan and all .
Think this is called goading.
Nope, I’m repeating what @dobiesdraw has said previously “ I’m not a fan of TR” Curious as to why this person repeatedly discredits opponents of TR and agrees with your stance ( who is a fan of TR)
Dropping like flies Scottish MEP David Coburn was also revealed to have left UKIP on Friday, claiming the party is heading towards an "anti-Islam" platform
Cue google search to discredit him...
Happy to help : In 2015, Coburn compared Scottish government minister Humza Yousaf to the convicted terrorist Abu Hamza, later apologising and calling it a "joke".
In 2016, it had been reported that Coburn's Chief of Staff, Arthur (Misty) Thackeray had been arrested for making a string of indecent phone-calls of a sexual nature, to a number of unsuspecting women, some of which took place in Coburn's Edinburgh constituency office. Thackeray, who also served as interim chairman of UKIP in Scotland resigned from his position in wake of the allegations which he denied and was defended by Coburn in a tweet where he stated that Thackeray was "Innocent until proven guilty." In January 2017, Thackeray pleaded guilty to making indecent phone-calls and was sentenced by Glasgow Sheriff Court in February 2017 to 270 hours of community service and will appear on the Sex Offenders Register for three years. After his sentencing, Thackeray continued his employment with Coburn until April of that year when he was eventually dismissed by Coburn for Gross Misconduct.
What I don't really get though is , what makes you feel the need to illustrate whos leaving a party ( that you have no respect for ) , because of TR's appointment .
Erm ... Because this thread is about TR perhaps.. You seem rather adept at discrediting opponents of TR- How’s your googling of TR misdeeds coming along? You not being a fan and all .
Think this is called goading.
Nope, I’m repeating what @dobiesdraw has said previously “ I’m not a fan of TR” Curious as to why this person repeatedly discredits opponents of TR and agrees with your stance ( who is a fan of TR)
I don't need to ..there's plenty of you doing that already , and not much coming from the other side . it's something you dont want its called balance .
Dropping like flies Scottish MEP David Coburn was also revealed to have left UKIP on Friday, claiming the party is heading towards an "anti-Islam" platform
Cue google search to discredit him...
Happy to help : In 2015, Coburn compared Scottish government minister Humza Yousaf to the convicted terrorist Abu Hamza, later apologising and calling it a "joke".
In 2016, it had been reported that Coburn's Chief of Staff, Arthur (Misty) Thackeray had been arrested for making a string of indecent phone-calls of a sexual nature, to a number of unsuspecting women, some of which took place in Coburn's Edinburgh constituency office. Thackeray, who also served as interim chairman of UKIP in Scotland resigned from his position in wake of the allegations which he denied and was defended by Coburn in a tweet where he stated that Thackeray was "Innocent until proven guilty." In January 2017, Thackeray pleaded guilty to making indecent phone-calls and was sentenced by Glasgow Sheriff Court in February 2017 to 270 hours of community service and will appear on the Sex Offenders Register for three years. After his sentencing, Thackeray continued his employment with Coburn until April of that year when he was eventually dismissed by Coburn for Gross Misconduct.
What I don't really get though is , what makes you feel the need to illustrate whos leaving a party ( that you have no respect for ) , because of TR's appointment .
Erm ... Because this thread is about TR perhaps.. You seem rather adept at discrediting opponents of TR- How’s your googling of TR misdeeds coming along? You not being a fan and all .
Think this is called goading.
Nope, I’m repeating what @dobiesdraw has said previously “ I’m not a fan of TR” Curious as to why this person repeatedly discredits opponents of TR and agrees with your stance ( who is a fan of TR)
Dobie has discredited sex offenders and racists and a disgusting solicitor.
Dropping like flies Scottish MEP David Coburn was also revealed to have left UKIP on Friday, claiming the party is heading towards an "anti-Islam" platform
Cue google search to discredit him...
Happy to help : In 2015, Coburn compared Scottish government minister Humza Yousaf to the convicted terrorist Abu Hamza, later apologising and calling it a "joke".
In 2016, it had been reported that Coburn's Chief of Staff, Arthur (Misty) Thackeray had been arrested for making a string of indecent phone-calls of a sexual nature, to a number of unsuspecting women, some of which took place in Coburn's Edinburgh constituency office. Thackeray, who also served as interim chairman of UKIP in Scotland resigned from his position in wake of the allegations which he denied and was defended by Coburn in a tweet where he stated that Thackeray was "Innocent until proven guilty." In January 2017, Thackeray pleaded guilty to making indecent phone-calls and was sentenced by Glasgow Sheriff Court in February 2017 to 270 hours of community service and will appear on the Sex Offenders Register for three years. After his sentencing, Thackeray continued his employment with Coburn until April of that year when he was eventually dismissed by Coburn for Gross Misconduct.
What I don't really get though is , what makes you feel the need to illustrate whos leaving a party ( that you have no respect for ) , because of TR's appointment .
Erm ... Because this thread is about TR perhaps.. You seem rather adept at discrediting opponents of TR- How’s your googling of TR misdeeds coming along? You not being a fan and all .
Think this is called goading.
Nope, I’m repeating what @dobiesdraw has said previously “ I’m not a fan of TR” Curious as to why this person repeatedly discredits opponents of TR and agrees with your stance ( who is a fan of TR)
Dobie has discredited sex offenders and racists and a disgusting solicitor.
And slurred quite a few forum posters , but we shall gloss over that shall we.
You didn’t answer my question - Should TR be banned from that pub, and .... do you still class him a hero of the people?
Dropping like flies Scottish MEP David Coburn was also revealed to have left UKIP on Friday, claiming the party is heading towards an "anti-Islam" platform
Cue google search to discredit him...
Happy to help : In 2015, Coburn compared Scottish government minister Humza Yousaf to the convicted terrorist Abu Hamza, later apologising and calling it a "joke".
In 2016, it had been reported that Coburn's Chief of Staff, Arthur (Misty) Thackeray had been arrested for making a string of indecent phone-calls of a sexual nature, to a number of unsuspecting women, some of which took place in Coburn's Edinburgh constituency office. Thackeray, who also served as interim chairman of UKIP in Scotland resigned from his position in wake of the allegations which he denied and was defended by Coburn in a tweet where he stated that Thackeray was "Innocent until proven guilty." In January 2017, Thackeray pleaded guilty to making indecent phone-calls and was sentenced by Glasgow Sheriff Court in February 2017 to 270 hours of community service and will appear on the Sex Offenders Register for three years. After his sentencing, Thackeray continued his employment with Coburn until April of that year when he was eventually dismissed by Coburn for Gross Misconduct.
What I don't really get though is , what makes you feel the need to illustrate whos leaving a party ( that you have no respect for ) , because of TR's appointment .
Erm ... Because this thread is about TR perhaps.. You seem rather adept at discrediting opponents of TR- How’s your googling of TR misdeeds coming along? You not being a fan and all .
Think this is called goading.
Nope, I’m repeating what @dobiesdraw has said previously “ I’m not a fan of TR” Curious as to why this person repeatedly discredits opponents of TR and agrees with your stance ( who is a fan of TR)
Dobie has discredited sex offenders and racists and a disgusting solicitor.
And slurred quite a few forum posters , but we shall gloss over that shall we.
You didn’t answer my question - Should TR be banned from that pub, and .... do you still class him a hero of the people?
Peoples words are all here for others to make up their own minds , If you lay with dogs , you get fleas !
In my phone so can't post the quotes/questions from the responses to what I said so will try to catch it all. If I miss something let me know and I'll reply later on.
First occasion there was nothing we could do, 2 members of staff (me & the boss) caught completely unaware, we just had keep serving until they moved on. Of course one of the guys who threw a bottle at me I didn't serve there after, but with that many of his mates in the place, someone else simply bought him a drink. Had we decided to not serve anyone it would have just started riot. Eventually once people started to move on we managed to give a heads up to police/other pubs in the area & some managed to close before the "mob" turned up.
So after that TR/Carroll etc would still visit pubs in town but tended to stay in certain "sympathetic" places, however they of course couldn't just stay in their little corner so would wander out and go all over town. In the very early days they would turn up, words would be said and normally a fight would break out. (That wasn't just the pub I was working in, but in majority of the ones they visted). Police would be called and people arrested etc. Because this was happening so often & because of the kind of person TR is, when he would go out in town he would have a police "escort". 2 or 3 coppers just following him round, waiting to deal with anything that kicked off/acting as a deterrent to anyone.
This is where I might surprise some of you, but this is where TR is actually pretty smart. By this time he had an entourage of about 50 along with a few coppers, so TR wouldn't get his hands dirty, he just got one of his minions to do so. Saw TR throw a few of his followers under the bus a number of times, was quite funny with some of the rhetoric he comes out with.
We of course reported anything that needed to be reported to the police & helped them whenever they asked for it CCTV etc. TR/Carroll and a number of the entourage were eventually barred from the pub I worked in, it took time to happen because the boss at the time wasn't that great. In the time between first incident & him getting barred I refused to serve him and anyone else who had hurled racist abuse my way or to the way of another patron.
Interesting account . Was TR arrested and/or charged with any offence as a result of any of this trouble you have highlighted at the time ?
Arrested yes, charged no idea.
Pretty sure he was also "arrested" a few times just so police could move him away from the trouble he was causing/inciting.
Trial by sky poker forum.
And herein lies the problem I have with it ....if i came on here for example and said " I've been out socialising with TR most weekends for the last 12 months ( obv I haven't ) and have never seen him create or be responsible for any racial attacks but I've seen plenty of opponents try and start trouble just because of who he is " ...if I come on and said that , the " mob " would be screaming for me to provide evidence of it and dismissing it , because in their words I would be a " fanboy/girl" . A random comes on , supporting the populus view on here and surprise , surprise , no one questions it .
Perhaps @tomgoodun , would like to give his opinions on this post . wouldn't like to think he's " accidently " missed it .
Quite a few people on this forum have said nonces deserve a fair trial, wonder why they dont apply the same standards to TOMMY.
Yup, everyone deserves a fair trial.
To be fair to TR when he got his police escorts, they were as much for his protection as they were for everyone else. He is such a divisive figure. People saw him and wanted to punch him, but with the coppers there normally nothing would happen, but as ever, when drink is involved things can easily escalate.
Quite a few people on this forum have said nonces deserve a fair trial, wonder why they dont apply the same standards to TOMMY.
Yup, everyone deserves a fair trial.
To be fair to TR when he got his police escorts, they were as much for his protection as they were for everyone else. He is such a divisive figure. People saw him and wanted to punch him, but with the coppers there normally nothing would happen, but as ever, when drink is involved things can easily escalate.
And herein lies the problem I have with it ....if i came on here for example and said " I've been out socialising with TR most weekends for the last 12 months ( obv I haven't ) and have never seen him create or be responsible for any racial attacks but I've seen plenty of opponents try and start trouble just because of who he is " ...if I come on and said that , the " mob " would be screaming for me to provide evidence of it and dismissing it , because in their words I would be a " fanboy/girl" . A random comes on , supporting the populus view on here and surprise , surprise , no one questions it .
I'll comment if you like.
So if you made up a lie and we challenged you to back up your lie we would be in the wrong?
So what are you saying about Bunnydas?
Do you think he is lying? Do you think we are gullible?
And herein lies the problem I have with it ....if i came on here for example and said " I've been out socialising with TR most weekends for the last 12 months ( obv I haven't ) and have never seen him create or be responsible for any racial attacks but I've seen plenty of opponents try and start trouble just because of who he is " ...if I come on and said that , the " mob " would be screaming for me to provide evidence of it and dismissing it , because in their words I would be a " fanboy/girl" . A random comes on , supporting the populus view on here and surprise , surprise , no one questions it .
I'll comment if you like.
So if you made up a lie and we challenged you to back up your lie we would be in the wrong?
So what are saying about Bunnydas?
Do you think he is lying? Do you think we are gullible?
If you are harping back to the incident where I didnt see your quote ...wasn't a lie , just an error ..lets set up the gallows now .
What have I said about Bunnydas ?
a) I don't know and b) I think anyone who is prepared to accept what anyone says without them offering up proof, has to question their own mind set .
Quite a few people on this forum have said nonces deserve a fair trial, wonder why they dont apply the same standards to TOMMY.
Yup, everyone deserves a fair trial.
To be fair to TR when he got his police escorts, they were as much for his protection as they were for everyone else. He is such a divisive figure. People saw him and wanted to punch him, but with the coppers there normally nothing would happen, but as ever, when drink is involved things can easily escalate.
And herein lies the problem I have with it ....if i came on here for example and said " I've been out socialising with TR most weekends for the last 12 months ( obv I haven't ) and have never seen him create or be responsible for any racial attacks but I've seen plenty of opponents try and start trouble just because of who he is " ...if I come on and said that , the " mob " would be screaming for me to provide evidence of it and dismissing it , because in their words I would be a " fanboy/girl" . A random comes on , supporting the populus view on here and surprise , surprise , no one questions it .
I'll comment if you like.
So if you made up a lie and we challenged you to back up your lie we would be in the wrong?
So what are saying about Bunnydas?
Do you think he is lying? Do you think we are gullible?
If you are harping back to the incident where I didnt see your quote ...wasn't a lie , just an error ..lets set up the gallows now .
What have I said about Bunnydas ?
a) I don't know and b) I think anyone who is prepared to accept what anyone says without them offering up proof, has to question their own mind set .
Anything else I can help you with today ?
No I am not harping back, I am trying to understand the point of your analogy where you make up a lie (about being out with your mate TR and seeing what a perfect citizien he is) and people challenge you for making up a lie.
If I was harping back I would keep requoting it which is something you seem to do a lot of.
Are you just trying to balance the post count for TR apologists v the rest.
Dropping like flies Scottish MEP David Coburn was also revealed to have left UKIP on Friday, claiming the party is heading towards an "anti-Islam" platform
Cue google search to discredit him...
Happy to help : In 2015, Coburn compared Scottish government minister Humza Yousaf to the convicted terrorist Abu Hamza, later apologising and calling it a "joke".
In 2016, it had been reported that Coburn's Chief of Staff, Arthur (Misty) Thackeray had been arrested for making a string of indecent phone-calls of a sexual nature, to a number of unsuspecting women, some of which took place in Coburn's Edinburgh constituency office. Thackeray, who also served as interim chairman of UKIP in Scotland resigned from his position in wake of the allegations which he denied and was defended by Coburn in a tweet where he stated that Thackeray was "Innocent until proven guilty." In January 2017, Thackeray pleaded guilty to making indecent phone-calls and was sentenced by Glasgow Sheriff Court in February 2017 to 270 hours of community service and will appear on the Sex Offenders Register for three years. After his sentencing, Thackeray continued his employment with Coburn until April of that year when he was eventually dismissed by Coburn for Gross Misconduct.
What I don't really get though is , what makes you feel the need to illustrate whos leaving a party ( that you have no respect for ) , because of TR's appointment .
Erm ... Because this thread is about TR perhaps.. You seem rather adept at discrediting opponents of TR- How’s your googling of TR misdeeds coming along? You not being a fan and all .
Think this is called goading.
Nope, I’m repeating what @dobiesdraw has said previously “ I’m not a fan of TR” Curious as to why this person repeatedly discredits opponents of TR and agrees with your stance ( who is a fan of TR)
Dobie has discredited sex offenders and racists and a disgusting solicitor.
And slurred quite a few forum posters , but we shall gloss over that shall we.
You didn’t answer my question - Should TR be banned from that pub, and .... do you still class him a hero of the people?
Just dealing with a work issue at moment, wont be long.
And herein lies the problem I have with it ....if i came on here for example and said " I've been out socialising with TR most weekends for the last 12 months ( obv I haven't ) and have never seen him create or be responsible for any racial attacks but I've seen plenty of opponents try and start trouble just because of who he is " ...if I come on and said that , the " mob " would be screaming for me to provide evidence of it and dismissing it , because in their words I would be a " fanboy/girl" . A random comes on , supporting the populus view on here and surprise , surprise , no one questions it .
I'll comment if you like.
So if you made up a lie and we challenged you to back up your lie we would be in the wrong?
So what are saying about Bunnydas?
Do you think he is lying? Do you think we are gullible?
If you are harping back to the incident where I didnt see your quote ...wasn't a lie , just an error ..lets set up the gallows now .
What have I said about Bunnydas ?
a) I don't know and b) I think anyone who is prepared to accept what anyone says without them offering up proof, has to question their own mind set .
Anything else I can help you with today ?
No I am not harping back, I am trying to understand the point of your analogy where you make up a lie (about being out with your mate TR and seeing what a perfect citizien he is) and people challenge you for making up a lie.
If I was harping back I would keep requoting it which is something you seem to do a lot of.
Are you just trying to balance the post count for TR apologists v the rest.
It's an analogy , qualified in brackets in the middle of it . You've Completely missed the point .
Joe Bloggs says " blah, blah, blah, blah " ...the majority doesn't question the validity of it , because it suits their agenda .
Fred Bloggs says " blah, blah , blah , blah " ...the majority question it because it questions their opinions and agenda .
Thats probably the internet won for the day isn't it ?
Not really, people form opinions based on someone’s actions.
Maybe simplify further - do you think TR is racist?
No , intelligent people form opinions based on fact .
No I don't because there is no evidence to support that ....read on >>>
racism /ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit noun prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
If you can evidence the above is a factor , then do so .
Now if you asked me , do I think some of the things he has done have been seriously misquided , the answer would be absolutely yes .
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Curious as to why this person repeatedly discredits opponents of TR and agrees with your stance ( who is a fan of TR)
You didn’t answer my question - Should TR be banned from that pub, and .... do you still class him a hero of the people?
To be fair to TR when he got his police escorts, they were as much for his protection as they were for everyone else. He is such a divisive figure. People saw him and wanted to punch him, but with the coppers there normally nothing would happen, but as ever, when drink is involved things can easily escalate.
So if you made up a lie and we challenged you to back up your lie we would be in the wrong?
So what are you saying about Bunnydas?
Do you think he is lying? Do you think we are gullible?
What have I said about Bunnydas ?
a) I don't know and b) I think anyone who is prepared to accept what anyone says without them offering up proof, has to question their own mind set .
Anything else I can help you with today ?
@dobiesdraw calling people out for "accidentally missing posts" and implying people are lia No I am not harping back, I am trying to understand the point of your analogy where you make up a lie (about being out with your mate TR and seeing what a perfect citizien he is) and people challenge you for making up a lie.
If I was harping back I would keep requoting it which is something you seem to do a lot of.
Are you just trying to balance the post count for TR apologists v the rest.
You going to the march on Sunday?
Joe Bloggs says " blah, blah, blah, blah " ...the majority doesn't question the validity of it , because it suits their agenda .
Fred Bloggs says " blah, blah , blah , blah " ...the majority question it because it questions their opinions and agenda .
Thats probably the internet won for the day isn't it ?
Maybe simplify further - do you think TR is racist?
No I don't because there is no evidence to support that ....read on >>>
racism
/ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
If you can evidence the above is a factor , then do so .
Now if you asked me , do I think some of the things he has done have been seriously misquided , the answer would be absolutely yes .