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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    VespaPX said:

    Where the signatures came from

    Its now approaching 5 million, I expect they are deleting the invalid ones as they go.
    I would think that the no deal one is experiencing the same problems, although to a much lesser extent, as it has attracted around 10% the number of signatures.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827

    Petitions
    UK Government and Parliament
    Petition
    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.
    The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
    Sign this petition
    4,878,341 signatures

    Show on a map
    100,000
    Parliament will consider this for a debate
    Parliament considers all petitions that get more than 100,000 signatures for a debate


    Waiting for 4 days for a debate date



    Government will respond
    Government responds to all petitions that get more than 10,000 signatures



    Waiting for 6 days for a government response



    Created by
    Margaret Anne Georgiadou
    Deadline
    20 August 2019
    All petitions run for 6 months
    Get petition data (json format)

    ▼ About petition data
    The data shows the number of people who have signed the petition by country as well as in the constituency of each Member of Parliament. This data is available for all petitions on the site. It is not a list of people who have signed the petition. The only name that is shared on the site is that of the petition creator.

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  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,830
    HAYSIE said:

    VespaPX said:

    Where the signatures came from

    Its now approaching 5 million, I expect they are deleting the invalid ones as they go.
    I would think that the no deal one is experiencing the same problems, although to a much lesser extent, as it has attracted around 10% the number of signatures.
    Why sign a petition for something that is already in place , seems a bit dumb
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    HAYSIE said:


    Petitions
    UK Government and Parliament
    Petition
    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.
    The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
    Sign this petition
    4,878,341 signatures

    Show on a map
    100,000
    Parliament will consider this for a debate
    Parliament considers all petitions that get more than 100,000 signatures for a debate


    Waiting for 4 days for a debate date



    Government will respond
    Government responds to all petitions that get more than 10,000 signatures



    Waiting for 6 days for a government response



    Created by
    Margaret Anne Georgiadou
    Deadline
    20 August 2019
    All petitions run for 6 months
    Get petition data (json format)

    ▼ About petition data
    The data shows the number of people who have signed the petition by country as well as in the constituency of each Member of Parliament. This data is available for all petitions on the site. It is not a list of people who have signed the petition. The only name that is shared on the site is that of the petition creator.

    Open Government Licence
    All content is available under the Open Government Licence v3.0, except where otherwise stated
    © Crown copyright

    Clearly to get a debate in Parliament, as it says.
  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 7,995
    edited March 2019
    A quick reminder.


    There was a petition to:-

    Hold a second referendum on EU membership.

    The Government responded.

    This response was given on 30 January 2019

    The Government remains clear that we will respect the result of the 2016 referendum, and we therefore will not hold a second referendum.

    The Government is clear that we will not have a second referendum; it’s mandate is to implement the result of the previous referendum.

    The 2016 referendum delivered a very clear instruction to Government - to withdraw from the European Union. Since then, this Government has remained committed to honouring that instruction, given to us through 17.4 million votes to leave the European Union - the highest number of votes cast for anything in UK electoral history


    The full report:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235138

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    mumsie said:

    A quick reminder.


    There was a petition to:-

    Hold a second referendum on EU membership.

    The Government responded.

    This response was given on 30 January 2019

    The Government remains clear that we will respect the result of the 2016 referendum, and we therefore will not hold a second referendum.

    The Government is clear that we will not have a second referendum; it’s mandate is to implement the result of the previous referendum.

    The 2016 referendum delivered a very clear instruction to Government - to withdraw from the European Union. Since then, this Government has remained committed to honouring that instruction, given to us through 17.4 million votes to leave the European Union - the highest number of votes cast for anything in UK electoral history


    The full report:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235138

    I don't think it is over yet.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Petition
    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.
    The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
    Sign this petition
    5,008,708 signatures
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    edited March 2019
    Petition
    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.
    The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
    Sign this petition
    5,521,618 signatures
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Can the Revoke Article 50 petition change the course of Brexit?


    There is something quite unusual about the e-petition to revoke Article 50. Well, there are a few things that are unusual about it but I’ll focus on this one for now: its supporters have a target to meet.
    Usually, the goal with petitions of this kind is to reach 100,000 signatures. When that threshold has been reached, the Petitions Committee must consider the petition for debate in parliament. That number is now seemingly irrelevant for the Article 50 petition, which has already attracted millions of signatures. The goal now seems to be to reach 17.4m – which would match the number of people who voted to leave the EU in the 2016 referendum. It’s currently a long way from it, but if the petition did reach that goal, would it make any difference?
    There are different types of petitions, which can be categorised into what I call “protest” and “substantive” petitions. The revoke Article 50 petition is a very good example of the former.




    Substantive petitions are often very specific and relate to ongoing issues that have affected the petitioner(s) deeply, directly and for some time; their primary aim is to change specific policy, such as the one asking for British Sign Language to be part of the national curriculum.
    Protest petitions also want to achieve change, but their primary aim is to show dissatisfaction. They’re the online expression of a mass demonstration. At least 255 e-petitions on Brexit have already been accepted in this parliament alone (adding to the 308 accepted in the 2015-17 parliament). At least nine parliamentary debates have taken place specifically on Brexit petitions, including another one on revoking Article 50, which received just under 149,000 signatures. That petition was published just nine days before the current one. However, it’s the current one that has broken all records, becoming the most signed petition ever to the UK parliament, attracting more than 5m signatures in just a few days. What’s new with this one is the political context.




    At the time of publication, the petition had more than 5m signatures. UK Parliament
    More
    As with some of the other Brexit petitions, the Revoke Article 50 petition actually struggled to get to the 20,000 mark at first. But that was before Theresa May’s speech on March 20, which provoked dismay and anger. After an extraordinary and widely criticised intervention, in which she openly blamed parliament for the current Brexit deadlock, the petition began growing and secured some celebrity endorsement (e-petitions usually skyrocket thanks to celebrity endorsements, which widen their reach considerably). This is what set it onto a path to achieve 5m signatures in just a few days.




    Whether this petition makes a difference depends on how it is linked to other ongoing campaigning. Petitions by themselves do not achieve change – but they can be a powerful tool to harness support and parliament’s integration of e-petitions into its formal processes strengthens this potential considerably.
    However, those petitions which do manage to achieve change tend to be about far more specific and non-partisan issues. See, for instance, the petitions on brain tumour research funding (which led to reinforcement of funding for research on this specific type of cancer), or the one asking for police officer status for police dogs and horses, which has now been turned into legislation and is in its final stages of consideration by parliament.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/revoke-article-50-petition-change-140814220.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827

    Sad pathetic losers go live under a mugabe style regime they have no intention of honouring a democratic result either.

    You Voted

    You Lost

    Leave now. No deal, no payments, no problem.




    We will be paying them with or without a deal. Less money with no transition, but we will pay either way.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827

    HAYSIE said:

    Spot on:

    Theresa May “will not countenance” revoking article 50 despite a public petition calling for the Brexit deadline to be cancelled adding almost 2m signatures in a couple of days.

    When asked for the prime minister’s view on the petition, a No 10 spokeswoman said May worried that failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”. She said: “The prime minister has long been clear that failing to deliver on the referendum result would be a failure of our democracy and something she couldn’t countenance.”

    Says the Prime Minister that is bringing back the Meaningful Vote for the third time.
    It has been so far, defeated by the biggest ever Parliamentary majority in the first vote, and the fourth biggest majority in the second.
    So attempting to force Parliament into voting for something they don't consider to be good for the country must be democratic?
    What do you mean by the death of democracy?
    You know full well what I mean , as do all of the people who voted leave , should there ever be a revocation of A50.

    There was a massive response to the threat of a Brexit Betrayal. Nigel Farage got 93 people on his march.
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,458
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Spot on:

    Theresa May “will not countenance” revoking article 50 despite a public petition calling for the Brexit deadline to be cancelled adding almost 2m signatures in a couple of days.

    When asked for the prime minister’s view on the petition, a No 10 spokeswoman said May worried that failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”. She said: “The prime minister has long been clear that failing to deliver on the referendum result would be a failure of our democracy and something she couldn’t countenance.”

    Says the Prime Minister that is bringing back the Meaningful Vote for the third time.
    It has been so far, defeated by the biggest ever Parliamentary majority in the first vote, and the fourth biggest majority in the second.
    So attempting to force Parliament into voting for something they don't consider to be good for the country must be democratic?
    What do you mean by the death of democracy?
    You know full well what I mean , as do all of the people who voted leave , should there ever be a revocation of A50.

    There was a massive response to the threat of a Brexit Betrayal. Nigel Farage got 93 people on his march.
    92 after a short time because Nige was nowhere to be seen
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Spot on:

    Theresa May “will not countenance” revoking article 50 despite a public petition calling for the Brexit deadline to be cancelled adding almost 2m signatures in a couple of days.

    When asked for the prime minister’s view on the petition, a No 10 spokeswoman said May worried that failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”. She said: “The prime minister has long been clear that failing to deliver on the referendum result would be a failure of our democracy and something she couldn’t countenance.”

    Says the Prime Minister that is bringing back the Meaningful Vote for the third time.
    It has been so far, defeated by the biggest ever Parliamentary majority in the first vote, and the fourth biggest majority in the second.
    So attempting to force Parliament into voting for something they don't consider to be good for the country must be democratic?
    What do you mean by the death of democracy?
    You know full well what I mean , as do all of the people who voted leave , should there ever be a revocation of A50.

    There was a massive response to the threat of a Brexit Betrayal. Nigel Farage got 93 people on his march.
    92 after a short time because Nige was nowhere to be seen
    This is true.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Revoke Article 50: Government rejects petition signed 5.7 million times



    The Government has rejected a petition calling for Brexit to be stopped, which has gathered more than 5.75 million signatures.
    The petition is due to be debated by MPs on 1 April, after smashing the 100,000 threshold for consideration and becoming the best-supported proposal in the history of the House of Commons and Government's e-petitions website.

    Rejecting the oft-repeated claim that EU withdrawal is the "will of the people", it calls for the revocation of the Article 50 letter informing the European Council of the UK's intention to leave.
    The Article 50 letter can be withdrawn by the UK unilaterally, without the need for EU agreement, leaving Britain free to continue as a member on its current terms.


    But in its official response to the petition, the Department for Exiting the EU said: "It remains the Government's firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.
    "Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/revoke-article-50-government-rejects-petition-signed-57-million-times/ar-BBVglG1?ocid=spartandhp
  • tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,688
    Welcome to the House of Madness by Fun or some such song. All mixed up but could in some way be funny if the subject was less serious for the country.

    Blinkered thinking and not listening typifies politics these days. Unless you are telling big porkies of course.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    tai-gar said:

    Welcome to the House of Madness by Fun or some such song. All mixed up but could in some way be funny if the subject was less serious for the country.

    Blinkered thinking and not listening typifies politics these days. Unless you are telling big porkies of course.

    The Government will ignore 6 million people at their peril.
  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 7,995


    The Government will ignore 6 million people.

    Fyp.
  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 7,995
    A few things before we hammer the last nail in this petition.

    1. The woman who started it lives in Cyprus.
    2. The petition starter had previously made murder comments about brexit voters.
    3. Large batches of the petition signers were from remain strongholds.
    4. Petitioners included 'Queen Elizabeth' , 'Idi Amin' and 'Nigel Farage'.


    Here is the source with the complaints letter.


    https://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/not-fit-for-purpose-cheating-remainers-undermine-uk-petitions-website.



  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    mumsie said:

    A few things before we hammer the last nail in this petition.

    1. The woman who started it lives in Cyprus.
    2. The petition starter had previously made murder comments about brexit voters.
    3. Large batches of the petition signers were from remain strongholds.
    4. Petitioners included 'Queen Elizabeth' , 'Idi Amin' and 'Nigel Farage'.


    Here is the source with the complaints letter.


    https://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/not-fit-for-purpose-cheating-remainers-undermine-uk-petitions-website.



    Do you who the Bruges group are?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Petition
    Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.
    The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
    Sign this petition
    5,930,456 signatures
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