That's because the latest offensive post has been deleted, as were the quotes of it by others.
As I did not see the posts or comments made I have no Idea the severity, or who is to blame, but from past experience it takes two to Tango and certain players here are happy to bully, goad & spit on people in an attempt to get them banned just because they don't agree with their views. Over the years I have seen this happen time & again and Why I'm so against players being banned. When you TK took over things changed for the better but now I see players pushing you into this sort of action while they play innocent. I have been on the wrong end and it's not nice or warranted given there are other ways of dealing with these sort of offenders. You like most you want peaceful life easy to sacrifice one Puppy leave the Hyenas to run wild. The Forum is for everyone not just the selected few. fwiw
That's because the latest offensive post has been deleted, as were the quotes of it by others.
As I did not see the posts or comments made I have no Idea the severity, or who is to blame, but from past experience it takes two to Tango and certain players here are happy to bully, goad & spit on people in an attempt to get them banned just because they don't agree with their views. Over the years I have seen this happen time & again and Why I'm so against players being banned. When you TK took over things changed for the better but now I see players pushing you into this sort of action while they play innocent. I have been on the wrong end and it's not nice or warranted given there are other ways of dealing with these sort of offenders. You like most you want peaceful life easy to sacrifice one Puppy leave the Hyenas to run wild. The Forum is for everyone not just the selected few. fwiw
she over stepped the mark mate , when calling people tools moron idiots amongst other things it was gonna happen eventually i wont miss her thats for sure
That's because the latest offensive post has been deleted, as were the quotes of it by others.
As I did not see the posts or comments made I have no Idea the severity, or who is to blame, but from past experience it takes two to Tango and certain players here are happy to bully, goad & spit on people in an attempt to get them banned just because they don't agree with their views. Over the years I have seen this happen time & again and Why I'm so against players being banned. When you TK took over things changed for the better but now I see players pushing you into this sort of action while they play innocent. I have been on the wrong end and it's not nice or warranted given there are other ways of dealing with these sort of offenders. You like most you want peaceful life easy to sacrifice one Puppy leave the Hyenas to run wild. The Forum is for everyone not just the selected few. fwiw
You don't need to see the post(s) in question, for better or worse I make these decisions, not anyone else. It was for multiple infringements, not one, the only mistake I made was leaving it too long which, with hindsight, I regret. Nobody else is to blame for the Ban, it was self-inflicted.
I have no idea who banned you, when, or why, but in the 10 years I've looked after this Forum with varying levels of responsibility I've banned just 2 persistent offenders & both deserved it on their own merits. Do you really think I want to ban anyone? Of course I don't. The line of acceptability was crossed repeatedly.
I had to spend the whole of Friday evening sorting the Forum out after a very regrettable comment, and now it's rinse repeat on Saturday evening. It's not just what you see on the forum, it's also all the PM's that ensue after personal attacks - there were in excess of 20 PM's received or sent last night alone, and the same thing happens after every incident. The PM's alone took several hours to deal with. You say the forum is for everyone, but if everyone was as high maintenance as that it would be impossible to run. The rest of the Members cause no bother at all with almost no exceptions, and the place largely self-polices.
That's because the latest offensive post has been deleted, as were the quotes of it by others.
As I did not see the posts or comments made I have no Idea the severity, or who is to blame, but from past experience it takes two to Tango and certain players here are happy to bully, goad & spit on people in an attempt to get them banned just because they don't agree with their views. Over the years I have seen this happen time & again and Why I'm so against players being banned. When you TK took over things changed for the better but now I see players pushing you into this sort of action while they play innocent. I have been on the wrong end and it's not nice or warranted given there are other ways of dealing with these sort of offenders. You like most you want peaceful life easy to sacrifice one Puppy leave the Hyenas to run wild. The Forum is for everyone not just the selected few. fwiw
The bolded bit in particular. Plenty of people have seen the nasty personal attack of a forum regular by it today. Truly disgusting vicious post which on its own should see it never return especially after last nights posts which even by its standards were scraping the barrel of decency .
Why close this Thread ban the OP then open it knowing OP can't Post on it. !! I didn't mind covering while dobi was at Funeral be nice if this is also short term cover. !
Out of curiosity, are forum bans usually permanent or do they tend to have a time limit to them?
Not sure there is a set limit from memory first offence is a week 2nd much longer. I guess it kind of depends on what was the offence. I know this particular person has got a ban before.
You really aren't doing yourself any favours by posting nonsense like the above. Everybody has different opinions about politics which is fair enough but to post stuff about someone's wife and kids is sick.
The Independent reports that Nigel Farage could face an investigation by European Parliament officials over claims that he failed to declare nearly half a million pounds in gifts from insurance tycoon Arron Banks. The Brexit Party leader has insisted that any donation was made after the EU referendum, when he was planning to leave politics, and was a purely private matter. But the paper says Mr Farage remained an MEP - meaning the gifts would "likely have had to be declared" under transparency rules.
Nigel Farage facing investigation by EU authorities over lavish gifts from millionaire tycoon Exclusive: Brexit Party leader failed to declare £450,000 allegedly spent on him by Arron Banks, MEP claims
Nigel Farage is facing an investigation by European parliament authorities over claims that he failed to declare nearly half a million pounds in gifts from an insurance tycoon under investigation by the National Crime Agency. It was claimed this week that the Brexit Party leader has been given as much as £450,000 in kind by Arron Banks, including a chauffeur-driven car, rent and bills on a £4.4m Chelsea home, and lavish trips to the United States to meet with right-wing politicians.
But none of the gifts, detailed in invoices seen by Channel 4 News, were declared on Mr Farage’s register of interests with the European parliament, which is designed to prevent MEPs from keeping their conflicts of interests secret.
In a letter seen by The Independent, one of the European parliament’s quaestors – MEPs responsible for the body’s financial and administrative matters – calls on the parliament’s presidency to “investigate these apparent contraventions as a matter of urgency”.
Nigel Farage claims Leavers are the true democrats – this is why he’s wrong The legitimacy of the initial result is fatally undermined by the unlawful means used to reach it. Democracy can only be restored through a second, fair referendum
Parliament’s inability to agree a withdrawal deal meant the UK did not leave the EU on 29 March. Theresa May’s government confirmed a new target date of 31 October with Brussels. This gives fresh hope to those wanting Brexit softened, if not cancelled, as progress remains stalled. This is more of a trick than a treat for Leavers. Delaying Brexit is seen as a denial of democracy. The problem is no longer reasserting Britain’s sovereignty, but defending our democratic politics. To oppose Brexit is linked to being against democracy itself.
This link is the rocket fuel propelling Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party into pole position ahead of European elections within weeks of being formed. Clearly, this single issue campaign has resonated with many potential voters at the expense of other parties. The difference isn’t divided support among Remainers – as Leave voters have multiple options too – but the Brexit Party’s single minded push to make supporting Brexit a vote for democracy, thus appealing to something deeper in our British values.
Appealing to democracy is a strong, Trump-like card, but it is also the Brexit Party’s Achilles heel. Democracy matters in making political decisions legitimate. Democratic legitimacy goes hand in hand with the rule of law. One side wins over others in receiving the most votes, but not by any means. Each side must abide by the same standards to ensure the process is fair. Stuffing ballot boxes with fake voting cards is no more fair or acceptable than breaking campaign finance rules. When rules are broken in an election, defending the result regardless of what went wrong isn’t defending democracy but subverting it.
It matters crucially that the democratic process was put in danger during the referendum campaign. When one side cheats to win, it doesn’t deserve the trophy without a rematch. The Electoral Commission found electoral law was broken by Vote Leave and by Darren Grimes relating to a finding of joint working between the Vote Leave and BeLeave groups. They have since been referred to the Metropolitan Police. This isn’t about politicians misusing statistics on a bus – although Boris Johnson could be in court over his repeated £350m claim shortly. No, this is about breaking the rules to win.
Arguing a vote won unlawfully should be defended in the name of democracy makes a mockery of not only our democratic system, but other British values like fair play and the rule of law. That does not mean Brexit cannot or should not happen only that the referendum result doesn’t have the democratic legitimacy the Brexit Party claims.
Pro-Brexit voices are quick to remind voters that the main parties promised to honour the referendum outcome. They did. But this does not mean a Leave victory means any kind of Leave will do. Brexit campaigners promised options ranging from a Norway model to full single market access and beyond – sometimes saying both. This explains the confusion over what people really did want. Saying "Brexit means Brexit" was probably the only outcome different Leavers agreed. Many might say politics trumps prosperity given the growing support for no deal. This might speak to voter intentions now, but it’s easy to neglect the fact these supporters think economic warnings about Brexit are fake news. But while there is nothing illegitimate about voters choosing an option widely seen as against their self-interest and detrimental to their current living standards, whether or not people are wrong to think Brexit is best for Britain is not the point.
Our democracy is under threat from the Brexit result. The legitimacy of the result is undermined by the unlawful means used to reach it. Maybe voters will want Brexit in greater numbers, but they should be asked in a second referendum. But it must be clear that its point is not to give the public a second chance to fix its mistake, but to give the winning campaign side another opportunity to win by the rules rather than by breaking them. The sooner both sides in the Brexit debate see that a second vote is in their interests whether pro-Leave or pro-Remain, we have our best hope for breaking the current gridlock in parliament – and we stand up for the democracy we hold so dear. Failing to back a second vote is to say democracy only matters when you like the result and that would betray our British values altogether.
I disagree with most of the arguments about "Democracy". IMO, people need to accept they lost, and move on.
There is one point about democracy that DOES need to be made, however. That is that the Brexit Party claim to be fighting for democracy whereas (even more than Remainers) they are trying to subvert it.
The Brexit Party is effectively run as the personal plaything of Mr Farage. There are no votes in relation to who should be leader. More importantly, there is no manifesto, and Farage says there never will be one.
He claims that the Conservatives have reneged on their manifesto. It is true to say that, historically, winning Parties probably only keep to about 80% of their promises. Farage claims not keeping to all of it is anti-democratic.
His solution? Don't tell the great unwashed anything. Don't have any policies. Don't stand in the local elections at all, because can make a bigger splash in the Euro elections. Don't provide the public with any yardstick by which the electorate can judge whether you are doing what you promise, because you promise to deliver precisely nothing.
He has promised to oppose Tories who vote in favour of May's next Brexit attempt. So it is not about Brexit for Farage. It is (as usual) about Farage.
I have said it before, and will say it again. If you want a harder-style Brexit, vote conservative. For a softer-style, vote Labour. For delay, finger-pointing, and absolutely nothing happening, Brexit Party. Because they have no solution, and no say in any solution.
I think he will win. It will delay (not speed up) Brexit. But he won't tell anyone that. He'll pretend that is all someone else's fault. He has made a career of that.
You really aren't doing yourself any favours by posting nonsense like the above. Everybody has different opinions about politics which is fair enough but to post stuff about someone's wife and kids is sick.
The Kate Aide of the Forum ........
I don't know who said, nonsense or where it was said, I do know the usual suspects are involved and not without blame. "One is gone other's Remain."
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That's because the latest offensive post has been deleted, as were the quotes of it by others.
When you TK took over things changed for the better but now I see players pushing you into this sort of action while they play innocent. I have been on the wrong end and it's not nice or warranted given there are other ways of dealing with these sort of offenders. You like most you want peaceful life easy to sacrifice one Puppy leave the Hyenas to run wild. The Forum is for everyone not just the selected few. fwiw
i wont miss her thats for sure
I have no idea who banned you, when, or why, but in the 10 years I've looked after this Forum with varying levels of responsibility I've banned just 2 persistent offenders & both deserved it on their own merits. Do you really think I want to ban anyone? Of course I don't. The line of acceptability was crossed repeatedly.
I had to spend the whole of Friday evening sorting the Forum out after a very regrettable comment, and now it's rinse repeat on Saturday evening. It's not just what you see on the forum, it's also all the PM's that ensue after personal attacks - there were in excess of 20 PM's received or sent last night alone, and the same thing happens after every incident. The PM's alone took several hours to deal with. You say the forum is for everyone, but if everyone was as high maintenance as that it would be impossible to run. The rest of the Members cause no bother at all with almost no exceptions, and the place largely self-polices.
Enough is enough.
Plenty of people have seen the nasty personal attack of a forum regular by it today.
Truly disgusting vicious post which on its own should see it never return especially after last nights posts which even by its standards were scraping the barrel of decency .
I didn't mind covering while dobi was at Funeral be nice if this is also short term cover. !
I guess it kind of depends on what was the offence.
I know this particular person has got a ban before.
Baily for assassins
Everybody has different opinions about politics which is fair enough but to post stuff about someone's wife and kids is sick.
The Brexit Party leader has insisted that any donation was made after the EU referendum, when he was planning to leave politics, and was a purely private matter. But the paper says Mr Farage remained an MEP - meaning the gifts would "likely have had to be declared" under transparency rules.
Exclusive: Brexit Party leader failed to declare £450,000 allegedly spent on him by Arron Banks, MEP claims
Nigel Farage is facing an investigation by European parliament authorities over claims that he failed to declare nearly half a million pounds in gifts from an insurance tycoon under investigation by the National Crime Agency.
It was claimed this week that the Brexit Party leader has been given as much as £450,000 in kind by Arron Banks, including a chauffeur-driven car, rent and bills on a £4.4m Chelsea home, and lavish trips to the United States to meet with right-wing politicians.
But none of the gifts, detailed in invoices seen by Channel 4 News, were declared on Mr Farage’s register of interests with the European parliament, which is designed to prevent MEPs from keeping their conflicts of interests secret.
In a letter seen by The Independent, one of the European parliament’s quaestors – MEPs responsible for the body’s financial and administrative matters – calls on the parliament’s presidency to “investigate these apparent contraventions as a matter of urgency”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-arron-banks-eu-authorities-investigation-gifts-tycoon-a8918946.html
The legitimacy of the initial result is fatally undermined by the unlawful means used to reach it. Democracy can only be restored through a second, fair referendum
Parliament’s inability to agree a withdrawal deal meant the UK did not leave the EU on 29 March. Theresa May’s government confirmed a new target date of 31 October with Brussels. This gives fresh hope to those wanting Brexit softened, if not cancelled, as progress remains stalled.
This is more of a trick than a treat for Leavers. Delaying Brexit is seen as a denial of democracy. The problem is no longer reasserting Britain’s sovereignty, but defending our democratic politics. To oppose Brexit is linked to being against democracy itself.
This link is the rocket fuel propelling Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party into pole position ahead of European elections within weeks of being formed. Clearly, this single issue campaign has resonated with many potential voters at the expense of other parties. The difference isn’t divided support among Remainers – as Leave voters have multiple options too – but the Brexit Party’s single minded push to make supporting Brexit a vote for democracy, thus appealing to something deeper in our British values.
Appealing to democracy is a strong, Trump-like card, but it is also the Brexit Party’s Achilles heel. Democracy matters in making political decisions legitimate. Democratic legitimacy goes hand in hand with the rule of law. One side wins over others in receiving the most votes, but not by any means. Each side must abide by the same standards to ensure the process is fair. Stuffing ballot boxes with fake voting cards is no more fair or acceptable than breaking campaign finance rules. When rules are broken in an election, defending the result regardless of what went wrong isn’t defending democracy but subverting it.
It matters crucially that the democratic process was put in danger during the referendum campaign. When one side cheats to win, it doesn’t deserve the trophy without a rematch. The Electoral Commission found electoral law was broken by Vote Leave and by Darren Grimes relating to a finding of joint working between the Vote Leave and BeLeave groups. They have since been referred to the Metropolitan Police. This isn’t about politicians misusing statistics on a bus – although Boris Johnson could be in court over his repeated £350m claim shortly. No, this is about breaking the rules to win.
Arguing a vote won unlawfully should be defended in the name of democracy makes a mockery of not only our democratic system, but other British values like fair play and the rule of law. That does not mean Brexit cannot or should not happen only that the referendum result doesn’t have the democratic legitimacy the Brexit Party claims.
Pro-Brexit voices are quick to remind voters that the main parties promised to honour the referendum outcome. They did. But this does not mean a Leave victory means any kind of Leave will do. Brexit campaigners promised options ranging from a Norway model to full single market access and beyond – sometimes saying both. This explains the confusion over what people really did want. Saying "Brexit means Brexit" was probably the only outcome different Leavers agreed.
Many might say politics trumps prosperity given the growing support for no deal. This might speak to voter intentions now, but it’s easy to neglect the fact these supporters think economic warnings about Brexit are fake news. But while there is nothing illegitimate about voters choosing an option widely seen as against their self-interest and detrimental to their current living standards, whether or not people are wrong to think Brexit is best for Britain is not the point.
Our democracy is under threat from the Brexit result. The legitimacy of the result is undermined by the unlawful means used to reach it. Maybe voters will want Brexit in greater numbers, but they should be asked in a second referendum. But it must be clear that its point is not to give the public a second chance to fix its mistake, but to give the winning campaign side another opportunity to win by the rules rather than by breaking them.
The sooner both sides in the Brexit debate see that a second vote is in their interests whether pro-Leave or pro-Remain, we have our best hope for breaking the current gridlock in parliament – and we stand up for the democracy we hold so dear. Failing to back a second vote is to say democracy only matters when you like the result and that would betray our British values altogether.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nigel-farage-the-brexit-party-leave-electoral-commission-darren-grimes-a8920086.html
Farage's socks
There is one point about democracy that DOES need to be made, however. That is that the Brexit Party claim to be fighting for democracy whereas (even more than Remainers) they are trying to subvert it.
The Brexit Party is effectively run as the personal plaything of Mr Farage. There are no votes in relation to who should be leader. More importantly, there is no manifesto, and Farage says there never will be one.
He claims that the Conservatives have reneged on their manifesto. It is true to say that, historically, winning Parties probably only keep to about 80% of their promises. Farage claims not keeping to all of it is anti-democratic.
His solution? Don't tell the great unwashed anything. Don't have any policies. Don't stand in the local elections at all, because can make a bigger splash in the Euro elections. Don't provide the public with any yardstick by which the electorate can judge whether you are doing what you promise, because you promise to deliver precisely nothing.
He has promised to oppose Tories who vote in favour of May's next Brexit attempt. So it is not about Brexit for Farage. It is (as usual) about Farage.
I have said it before, and will say it again. If you want a harder-style Brexit, vote conservative. For a softer-style, vote Labour. For delay, finger-pointing, and absolutely nothing happening, Brexit Party. Because they have no solution, and no say in any solution.
I think he will win. It will delay (not speed up) Brexit. But he won't tell anyone that. He'll pretend that is all someone else's fault. He has made a career of that.
I don't know who said, nonsense or where it was said, I do know the usual suspects are involved and not without blame. "One is gone other's Remain."