I'm quite selective who I follow, & rarely Tweet, as everyone is so quick to take offence, but Michael Vaughan is such a know-all on Twitter I had to un-follow him.
Roy doesn't have experience as an opener in the longer form of the game. Before the test Bayliss said he should be in the middle order. I was also saying Roy should be given a go but think I was wrong about him as a test opener. I do think he could do a job down the order but we have loads of players who potentially could work down there.
We seem to have lots of bowling options at the moment but seems a massive struggle for top order players. Middle order seems to mainly be struggling but I think a massive factor is not having guys at the top to deal with the new ball. We need guys like Cook and Trott who can bat time at the top and set up a platform for the stroke players down the innings.
Agree about Archer, an amazing talent and seems capable of bowling lots throughout a day.
I'm quite selective who I follow, & rarely Tweet, as everyone is so quick to take offence, but Michael Vaughan is such a know-all on Twitter I had to un-follow him.
I am on twitter but go on there about as often as you use facebook
Pretty rare for an entire first innings to barely last longer than a single session. 10 wickets in a sesh in Test cricket is ridic unless the pitch is a real dog.
Stokes was the most disappointing, much as I admire him. He could barely even reach the ball but still went for it.
Root at least went to a good ball, but successive ducks is not good. Again, I admire Root, but he's never struck me as Captaincy material, & I get the impression the dressing room is a bit cliquey.
Moeen Ali, for example, was retained far too long before the axe eventually fell. Rotating works well in football because it keeps players on their toes, & I think the England Test side need a bit of that. And some openers, obv.
I agree on Ali Never anywhere near good enough in my opinion
I disagree on rotation I generally like how selection has been done in recent years where players will just about get a full series. I thought it ridiculous when players used to get one game, fail, and be axed immediately. There was way too much pressure added onto what must have already been a daunting task
Roy doesn't have experience as an opener in the longer form of the game. Before the test Bayliss said he should be in the middle order. I was also saying Roy should be given a go but think I was wrong about him as a test opener. I do think he could do a job down the order but we have loads of players who potentially could work down there.
We seem to have lots of bowling options at the moment but seems a massive struggle for top order players. Middle order seems to mainly be struggling but I think a massive factor is not having guys at the top to deal with the new ball. We need guys like Cook and Trott who can bat time at the top and set up a platform for the stroke players down the innings.
Agree about Archer, an amazing talent and seems capable of bowling lots throughout a day.
I think everyone got caught up in the euphoria of the World Cup I was guilty too. I thought that even if Roy wasn’t solid enough defensively, if he went out and battered the ball round the park for an hour before getting out then it was worth a punt Keeping your wicket is great but getting off to a flyer is huge psychologically.
It hasn’t worked out this time but i believe he has the talent in to get there. I would even consider talking the pressure off him a bit right now and dropping him to 4 for the second innings and open with Root or Denley
Which halfwit talks of diary run good? This thread may be short lived. I don’t think I had a losing night this month at Dyms until last night Just played for 90 minutes tonight and ran like dogshit 🙂
Hi Paul, Great to see you back on the forum. Smashing photo, I really hope things are going well for you. I am struggling to find the enthusiasm to play poker at the moment. Even at the recent SPT, which I usually adore attending and playing, I almost didn’t play on the Saturday, kind of wish I hadn’t and was a buy in better off. The cricket has been awful to watch. I said at the start of the ashes that Root should stay at four and Roy was not an opener , we have struggled for quality batsmen for a while, I noticed that Sam Curran batted at three for Surrey against Hampshire this week, that might be the ECB trying to find a way to get him in the side. If , as looks likely, the ashes are lost sometime tomorrow or Sunday, the last two tests of the summer should see a number of changes to the batting line up , with a view to the future. Good luck at the tables, I hope to have found my love for the game by the time Nottingham comes around so I can say hi
Pretty rare for an entire first innings to barely last longer than a single session. 10 wickets in a sesh in Test cricket is ridic unless the pitch is a real dog.
Stokes was the most disappointing, much as I admire him. He could barely even reach the ball but still went for it.
Root at least went to a good ball, but successive ducks is not good. Again, I admire Root, but he's never struck me as Captaincy material, & I get the impression the dressing room is a bit cliquey.
Moeen Ali, for example, was retained far too long before the axe eventually fell. Rotating works well in football because it keeps players on their toes, & I think the England Test side need a bit of that. And some openers, obv.
Moeen Ali got loads of wickets over the last say 2 years. 2018 Ali got 32 wickets in 7 matches at an average of 28.
The trouble at the moment is a lack of alternatives when you look at openers, no. 3, captain etc.
Which halfwit talks of diary run good? This thread may be short lived. I don’t think I had a losing night this month at Dyms until last night Just played for 90 minutes tonight and ran like dogshit 🙂
Bankroll now £737
Pub calling
Maybe you can post some hands and better players can comment to help you out 😄
Root at least went to a good ball, but successive ducks is not good. Again, I admire Root, but he's never struck me as Captaincy material, & I get the impression the dressing room is a bit cliquey.
County cricket is no longer able to produce international captains - I remember Root's first experience of captaincy in the county championship - Andrew Gale dropped himself, Root stepped in, and Middlesex chased down 470 odd in the last innings at Lords. At this point, pretty much everyone had already decided he was the next England captain once Cook stepped down, before he had ever captained Yorkshire.
As soon as anyone comes into the England team, they're immediately having their workload 'managed' by the ECB, and they end up playing very few FC fixtures outside of tests as a result. We then somehow expect to find a test captain from a bunch of guys who don't get to captain their county - Essex never picked Cook as captain ahead of James Foster or Ryan Ten Doeschate, and Yorkshire aren't going to let Root turn up for a couple of games and captain instead of Steven Patterson.
It makes no sense for counties to pick an England player as captain when they're in the county side for 2-3 games a year - they've got a dressing room that they need to keep happy and a county championship to try and win - so we're left picking a test captain from a bunch of guys who aren't getting captaincy experience until we throw them into the England job and somehow expect it to work out.
If they're "lucky", they'll get to be vice captain for a while, where they can learn from the previous captain who is inevitably failing in a system where captains are set up for failure. Many of the issues we have now as a fielding side are no different than what we had under Andrew Strauss, which is no surprise when Cook played most of his cricket under Strauss, and Root played most of his cricket under Cook.
If you want players to develop captaincy skills, you have to let them play for their county, let them play for first class teams outside of England (When was the last time you heard of an English player playing Shield/Ranji etc?), let them play IPL/Big Bash/CPL etc if they're good enough in that format to get into those leagues. They'll learn how to think about the game from being around players from different countries with different ways of approaching the game, and you can let them make mistakes away from the spotlight in county cricket if they become captain.
I don't think it's any coincidence that Morgan's one day captaincy successes are built on a foundation of captaining Ireland U19s, captaining Middlesex in County Cricket for a couple of games very early in his career, and getting cricket experience around the world, away from the England setup.
Moeen Ali, for example, was retained far too long before the axe eventually fell. Rotating works well in football because it keeps players on their toes, & I think the England Test side need a bit of that. And some openers, obv.
Big +1 with Moeen. I like the guy, but he was picked as a batting allrounder to start with and was never a test quality spinner. He's okay as a second spinner alongside someone else and only needing to bowl maybe 8-10 overs in a day, but he should never have been picked as a specialist spinner ahead of Jack Leach, Dom Bess or even Adil Rashid (despite his recent lack of FC cricket) at any point.
When we did play two spinners, it always irritated me that we would overbowl Moeen and underbowl the specialist spinner.
Hi Paul, Great to see you back on the forum. Smashing photo, I really hope things are going well for you. I am struggling to find the enthusiasm to play poker at the moment. Even at the recent SPT, which I usually adore attending and playing, I almost didn’t play on the Saturday, kind of wish I hadn’t and was a buy in better off. The cricket has been awful to watch. I said at the start of the ashes that Root should stay at four and Roy was not an opener , we have struggled for quality batsmen for a while, I noticed that Sam Curran batted at three for Surrey against Hampshire this week, that might be the ECB trying to find a way to get him in the side. If , as looks likely, the ashes are lost sometime tomorrow or Sunday, the last two tests of the summer should see a number of changes to the batting line up , with a view to the future. Good luck at the tables, I hope to have found my love for the game by the time Nottingham comes around so I can say hi
Haven’t checked but I think I lost 9 out of of my first 10 games tonight I was very lucky. They were mainly £3s and £5s I then won a couple of £22s and some £11s and ended up £11 up on the night
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Are you on Twitter Paul?
I'm quite selective who I follow, & rarely Tweet, as everyone is so quick to take offence, but Michael Vaughan is such a know-all on Twitter I had to un-follow him.
We seem to have lots of bowling options at the moment but seems a massive struggle for top order players. Middle order seems to mainly be struggling but I think a massive factor is not having guys at the top to deal with the new ball. We need guys like Cook and Trott who can bat time at the top and set up a platform for the stroke players down the innings.
Agree about Archer, an amazing talent and seems capable of bowling lots throughout a day.
Never anywhere near good enough in my opinion
I disagree on rotation
I generally like how selection has been done in recent years where players will just about get a full series.
I thought it ridiculous when players used to get one game, fail, and be axed immediately.
There was way too much pressure added onto what must have already been a daunting task
I was guilty too. I thought that even if Roy wasn’t solid enough defensively, if he went out and battered the ball round the park for an hour before getting out then it was worth a punt
Keeping your wicket is great but getting off to a flyer is huge psychologically.
It hasn’t worked out this time but i believe he has the talent in to get there. I would even consider talking the pressure off him a bit right now and dropping him to 4 for the second innings and open with Root or Denley
Jason Roy lol. Maybe he should try out for the New York Yankees. Certainly his syle seems more baseball than test cricket.
That Stokes wicket too ooft. Imagine the abuse KP would have had he given up an ashes wicket in that manner.
Just played for 90 minutes tonight and ran like dogshit 🙂
Bankroll now £737
Pub calling
Great to see you back on the forum. Smashing photo, I really hope things are going well for you.
I am struggling to find the enthusiasm to play poker at the moment. Even at the recent SPT, which I usually adore attending and playing, I almost didn’t play on the Saturday, kind of wish I hadn’t and was a buy in better off.
The cricket has been awful to watch. I said at the start of the ashes that Root should stay at four and Roy was not an opener , we have struggled for quality batsmen for a while, I noticed that Sam Curran batted at three for Surrey against Hampshire this week, that might be the ECB trying to find a way to get him in the side. If , as looks likely, the ashes are lost sometime tomorrow or Sunday, the last two tests of the summer should see a number of changes to the batting line up , with a view to the future.
Good luck at the tables, I hope to have found my love for the game by the time Nottingham comes around so I can say hi
2018 Ali got 32 wickets in 7 matches at an average of 28.
The trouble at the moment is a lack of alternatives when you look at openers, no. 3, captain etc.
As soon as anyone comes into the England team, they're immediately having their workload 'managed' by the ECB, and they end up playing very few FC fixtures outside of tests as a result. We then somehow expect to find a test captain from a bunch of guys who don't get to captain their county - Essex never picked Cook as captain ahead of James Foster or Ryan Ten Doeschate, and Yorkshire aren't going to let Root turn up for a couple of games and captain instead of Steven Patterson.
It makes no sense for counties to pick an England player as captain when they're in the county side for 2-3 games a year - they've got a dressing room that they need to keep happy and a county championship to try and win - so we're left picking a test captain from a bunch of guys who aren't getting captaincy experience until we throw them into the England job and somehow expect it to work out.
If they're "lucky", they'll get to be vice captain for a while, where they can learn from the previous captain who is inevitably failing in a system where captains are set up for failure. Many of the issues we have now as a fielding side are no different than what we had under Andrew Strauss, which is no surprise when Cook played most of his cricket under Strauss, and Root played most of his cricket under Cook.
If you want players to develop captaincy skills, you have to let them play for their county, let them play for first class teams outside of England (When was the last time you heard of an English player playing Shield/Ranji etc?), let them play IPL/Big Bash/CPL etc if they're good enough in that format to get into those leagues. They'll learn how to think about the game from being around players from different countries with different ways of approaching the game, and you can let them make mistakes away from the spotlight in county cricket if they become captain.
I don't think it's any coincidence that Morgan's one day captaincy successes are built on a foundation of captaining Ireland U19s, captaining Middlesex in County Cricket for a couple of games very early in his career, and getting cricket experience around the world, away from the England setup.
Big +1 with Moeen. I like the guy, but he was picked as a batting allrounder to start with and was never a test quality spinner. He's okay as a second spinner alongside someone else and only needing to bowl maybe 8-10 overs in a day, but he should never have been picked as a specialist spinner ahead of Jack Leach, Dom Bess or even Adil Rashid (despite his recent lack of FC cricket) at any point.
When we did play two spinners, it always irritated me that we would overbowl Moeen and underbowl the specialist spinner.
Hope to see you at Nottingham
Better 90 minutes of Dyms tonight
Ran gooder and £44 up
Bankroll at £781
Broken up from work now and it’s a nice night.
May as well go pub again
Gl all playing
Had to go to Calke Abbey with a friend
Got home 5 minutes after we’d won
I’ll watch the highlights
Haven’t checked but I think I lost 9 out of of my first 10 games tonight
I was very lucky. They were mainly £3s and £5s
I then won a couple of £22s and some £11s and ended up £11 up on the night
Definitely lost more games than I won.
Bankroll £792
That’s me done for a little while
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