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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
    lucy4 said:

    He's off to be Trump's puppet for most of the year.




    Farage shifts from anti-EU fury as he plans to replace Brexit Party with a new campaign
    NIGEL FARAGE has announced his new target for political change - and even a new political party - if Boris Johnson successfully secures Britain’s departure from the EU by the end of January.



    Nigel Farage has promised to lead a new political party if Britain manages to leave the EU at the end of January under Boris Johnson's leadership. He even admitted to Sophy Ridge on Sky News that he had already registered the party’s name - the Reform Party. The Brexiteer MEP insisted that he still wanted to campaign to "change politics for good" as he listed off his new targets for a dramatic shake-up after Britain ditches the EU.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1214570/Nigel-Farage-News-EU-Brexit-Reform-Party-latest-updates
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,933
    So roughly 32m people voted yesterday,Boris got 14m votes and the opposition got 18m votes,but he won more seats to form a majority government.Surely this system must change to produce a fairer outcome.How can one party receive fewer votes but still go on to form a majority government.This is not a whinging/moaning post,I just don't agree with how the current process of forming a government works.




  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,396
    edited December 2019
    I see Antifa are kicking off tonight in London.
    F@ckwits
    No doubt organised by the extreme left wing Momentum Group who are responsible for Labour losing
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
    lucy4 said:

    So roughly 32m people voted yesterday,Boris got 14m votes and the opposition got 18m votes,but he won more seats to form a majority government.Surely this system must change to produce a fairer outcome.How can one party receive fewer votes but still go on to form a majority government.This is not a whinging/moaning post,I just don't agree with how the current process of forming a government works.




    The Tories got 1% more than in 2017, but it meant 47 more seats.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    I really appreciate this thread.
    I must hold my hands up to not really having a clue about politics when I was younger.
    I think it would be a good idea to have politics in our school curriculum, and you can only vote if you pass an exam 😉
    The amount of people in the same boat as me when I was younger makes a mockery of “ Democracy “ when you can be swayed by certain sound bites , and is particularly troubling.

    I also had no interest in politics when I was young.

    I find it embarrassing that politics in this country has reached such a low ebb, and that so many hateful characters could get elected.

    I watched Paul Scully being interviewed the other day, and he responded to a question about the lies that Boris has been telling, by saying "but he gets things done" he didn't even go through the pretence of disputing the lies.

    So if the polls are correct we are just about to elect the biggest liar in politics to the office of Prime Minister.

    I am ashamed of it.
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    I really appreciate this thread.
    I must hold my hands up to not really having a clue about politics when I was younger.
    I think it would be a good idea to have politics in our school curriculum, and you can only vote if you pass an exam 😉
    The amount of people in the same boat as me when I was younger makes a mockery of “ Democracy “ when you can be swayed by certain sound bites , and is particularly troubling.

    I also had no interest in politics when I was young.

    I find it embarrassing that politics in this country has reached such a low ebb, and that so many hateful characters could get elected.

    I watched Paul Scully being interviewed the other day, and he responded to a question about the lies that Boris has been telling, by saying "but he gets things done" he didn't even go through the pretence of disputing the lies.

    So if the polls are correct we are just about to elect the biggest liar in politics to the office of Prime Minister.

    I am ashamed of it.
    He may well turn ou
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    I really appreciate this thread.
    I must hold my hands up to not really having a clue about politics when I was younger.
    I think it would be a good idea to have politics in our school curriculum, and you can only vote if you pass an exam 😉
    The amount of people in the same boat as me when I was younger makes a mockery of “ Democracy “ when you can be swayed by certain sound bites , and is particularly troubling.

    I also had no interest in politics when I was young.

    I find it embarrassing that politics in this country has reached such a low ebb, and that so many hateful characters could get elected.

    I watched Paul Scully being interviewed the other day, and he responded to a question about the lies that Boris has been telling, by saying "but he gets things done" he didn't even go through the pretence of disputing the lies.

    So if the polls are correct we are just about to elect the biggest liar in politics to the office of Prime Minister.

    I am ashamed of it.
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    I really appreciate this thread.
    I must hold my hands up to not really having a clue about politics when I was younger.
    I think it would be a good idea to have politics in our school curriculum, and you can only vote if you pass an exam 😉
    The amount of people in the same boat as me when I was younger makes a mockery of “ Democracy “ when you can be swayed by certain sound bites , and is particularly troubling.

    I also had no interest in politics when I was young.

    I find it embarrassing that politics in this country has reached such a low ebb, and that so many hateful characters could get elected.

    I watched Paul Scully being interviewed the other day, and he responded to a question about the lies that Boris has been telling, by saying "but he gets things done" he didn't even go through the pretence of disputing the lies.

    So if the polls are correct we are just about to elect the biggest liar in politics to the office of Prime Minister.

    I am ashamed of it.
    He may well turn out to be the biggest liar.
    But he’s got a fair way to go to surpass Tony Blair.
    Mainly IRA terrorism in the U.K. before Blair’s whopper.
    And all for NOTHING.

    Costing over 600 British troops their lives, plus many more maimed.
    And he was cleared. A joke.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    I really appreciate this thread.
    I must hold my hands up to not really having a clue about politics when I was younger.
    I think it would be a good idea to have politics in our school curriculum, and you can only vote if you pass an exam 😉
    The amount of people in the same boat as me when I was younger makes a mockery of “ Democracy “ when you can be swayed by certain sound bites , and is particularly troubling.

    I also had no interest in politics when I was young.

    I find it embarrassing that politics in this country has reached such a low ebb, and that so many hateful characters could get elected.

    I watched Paul Scully being interviewed the other day, and he responded to a question about the lies that Boris has been telling, by saying "but he gets things done" he didn't even go through the pretence of disputing the lies.

    So if the polls are correct we are just about to elect the biggest liar in politics to the office of Prime Minister.

    I am ashamed of it.
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    I really appreciate this thread.
    I must hold my hands up to not really having a clue about politics when I was younger.
    I think it would be a good idea to have politics in our school curriculum, and you can only vote if you pass an exam 😉
    The amount of people in the same boat as me when I was younger makes a mockery of “ Democracy “ when you can be swayed by certain sound bites , and is particularly troubling.

    I also had no interest in politics when I was young.

    I find it embarrassing that politics in this country has reached such a low ebb, and that so many hateful characters could get elected.

    I watched Paul Scully being interviewed the other day, and he responded to a question about the lies that Boris has been telling, by saying "but he gets things done" he didn't even go through the pretence of disputing the lies.

    So if the polls are correct we are just about to elect the biggest liar in politics to the office of Prime Minister.

    I am ashamed of it.
    He may well turn ou
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    I really appreciate this thread.
    I must hold my hands up to not really having a clue about politics when I was younger.
    I think it would be a good idea to have politics in our school curriculum, and you can only vote if you pass an exam 😉
    The amount of people in the same boat as me when I was younger makes a mockery of “ Democracy “ when you can be swayed by certain sound bites , and is particularly troubling.

    I also had no interest in politics when I was young.

    I find it embarrassing that politics in this country has reached such a low ebb, and that so many hateful characters could get elected.

    I watched Paul Scully being interviewed the other day, and he responded to a question about the lies that Boris has been telling, by saying "but he gets things done" he didn't even go through the pretence of disputing the lies.

    So if the polls are correct we are just about to elect the biggest liar in politics to the office of Prime Minister.

    I am ashamed of it.
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    I really appreciate this thread.
    I must hold my hands up to not really having a clue about politics when I was younger.
    I think it would be a good idea to have politics in our school curriculum, and you can only vote if you pass an exam 😉
    The amount of people in the same boat as me when I was younger makes a mockery of “ Democracy “ when you can be swayed by certain sound bites , and is particularly troubling.

    I also had no interest in politics when I was young.

    I find it embarrassing that politics in this country has reached such a low ebb, and that so many hateful characters could get elected.

    I watched Paul Scully being interviewed the other day, and he responded to a question about the lies that Boris has been telling, by saying "but he gets things done" he didn't even go through the pretence of disputing the lies.

    So if the polls are correct we are just about to elect the biggest liar in politics to the office of Prime Minister.

    I am ashamed of it.
    He may well turn out to be the biggest liar.
    But he’s got a fair way to go to surpass Tony Blair.
    Mainly IRA terrorism in the U.K. before Blair’s whopper.
    And all for NOTHING.

    Costing over 600 British troops their lives, plus many more maimed.
    And he was cleared. A joke.
    I think Tony Blair was quite good.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837




    Many of Saturday's papers lead on Boris Johnson's victory speech in Downing Street.
    The Sun says he urged the nation to take a well-earned break from Brexit, and welcomes his comments with the headline "Brexcellent".
    "We did it!" declares the front page of the Daily Mail. The paper says he's lifted Britain's spirits with a soaring Christmas message of healing.
    The Daily Telegraph detects a "distinct shift" towards the centre ground in the Prime Minister's promise to repay the trust of those first-time Tory voters whose pencils wavered over the ballot paper.



    But the Times says Mr Johnson's efforts at unity were put to an early test, when he set out his opposition to another Scottish independence referendum in a phone conversation with Nicola Sturgeon yesterday evening.
    "The battle for the UK begins" is the i weekend's take.
    In Scotland, the Daily Record pictures Ms Sturgeon, with the headline: "Don't stand in my way Boris".
    While the Scotsman describes the two leaders as being on a "collision course".

    The Daily Mirror focuses on Labour, saying it's "time to start again".
    It reports that party grandees are lining up to urge Jeremy Corbyn to quit now.
    The Guardian features an account of the Labour campaign, highlighting confusion and paranoia among those close to Mr Corbyn.
    One insider complains of "policy incontinence"; another of a strategy that was too aggressive and failed to adapt to polls pointing to a Conservative majority.
    A sketch on the front page of the Financial Times likens the coming Labour leadership contest to a fist fight.
    Who will be Labour's next leader?
    It notes that Emily Thornberry's speech in her seat of South Islington and Finsbury sounded like a pitch for the top job. Just what the party needs, the FT says, a third consecutive leader from north London.



    In Europe, many of the papers lead on the election result. Le Monde in France picks up on Boris Johnson's conciliatory message to Remainers - who it says will now have to mourn membership of the European Union.
    The German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine emphasises European leaders' calls for clarity about the UK's future relationship with the EU.
    And an editorial in the Irish Times questions Mr Johnson's claim that the result would "bring the nation together".
    Hardly true, the paper says, when England is still bitterly divided over Brexit, and nationalist parties are in the ascendancy in Northern Ireland and Scotland. The country, the Times says, is slowly breaking apart.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50790501
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
    Boris Johnson tipped to sack Jacob Rees-Mogg after sidelining him during election
    The Tory toff, who was re-elected in North East Somerset this week, is set to be removed as Commons leader as Downing Street finally loses patience after his shocking Grenfell Tower remarks, according to reports




    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-will-sacked-21095357
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
    Runners and riders
    KEIR STARMER, 57 - 5/2 (Favourite)
    Holborn & St Pancras



    REBECCA LONG-BAILEY, 40 - 4/1
    Salford & Eccles



    JESS PHILLIPS, 38 - 11/2
    Birmingham Yardley



    ANGELA RAYNER, 39 - 13/2
    Ashton-under-Lyne



    LISA NANDY, 40 - 8/1
    Wigan



    EMILY THORNBERRY, 59 - 14/1
    Islington South & Finsbury



    CLIVE LEWIS, 48 - 25/1
    Norwich South



    DAVID LAMMY, 47 - 66/1
    Tottenham




    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/who-next-labour-leader-runners-21087938
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837










    Some of Sunday's front pages picture the moment Boris Johnson found out he was heading for a landslide election victory - as the findings of the exit poll were revealed at 22:00 GMT on Thursday.
    The Mail on Sunday describes how the Prime Minister leapt to his feet, shouted with joy, and was congratulated by his girlfriend, Carrie Symonds.
    The Sunday Telegraph observes that their table had beer, coffee and snack pots at the ready.
    The paper also reports that Mr Johnson is planning a dramatic overhaul of Whitehall in a drive to demonstrate that his government "works for the people".



    It says his chief aide, Dominic Cummings, will spearhead a programme of radical reform of the civil service, including a review of the processes for hiring and firing officials, to ensure the Prime Minister's agenda is delivered.
    According to the Sunday Times, up to a third of the cabinet face the sack in a February reshuffle after the UK has left the EU - so that "fresh faces" can be brought in to create a "transformative" government focused on the needs of working-class voters.
    Insiders are quoted as saying new ministers will be selected according to their ability to drive change rather than because they are good media performers.

    The Observer and the Sunday Mirror both lead with Jeremy Corbyn's acceptance that he must take some of the responsibility for Labour's heavy defeat.
    Under the headline: "I'm Jez So Sorry", the Mirror says Mr Corbyn has been humbled.
    In the Observer, the Labour leader argues that the party paid the price for a Brexit policy that was seen by some as an attempt to straddle the divide between Remainers and Leavers, and by others as wanting to re-run the referendum.
    But Mr Corbyn also defends his record - blaming a political system that he says has been volatile since the financial crash, as well as the media and what he describes as Mr Johnson's "dishonesty".



    The move to enshrine in law a commitment to increase spending on the NHS is the lead story for the Sunday Express, which describes it as an "historic pledge".
    It's also the main political story in the Sun on Sunday. The paper says Mr Johnson wants to build on his election victory by proving to those who voted Tory for the first time that he can be trusted.
    And as the government contemplates decriminalising non-payment of the BBC licence fee, the Sunday Telegraph suggests that Downing Street has decided to boycott Radio 4's Today programme - because of what it describes as pro-Remain bias.
    The next five years are unlikely to prove plain sailing for the prime minister, and the Telegraph also carries a warning of an early event that it believes could turn into a crisis.
    It suggests that the proposed rescue of British Steel by the Chinese firm, Jingye, is close to collapse as a deadline approaches to finalise terms.
    British Steel's previous owner declared it insolvent in May, since when the business has been propped up by the taxpayer.
    The Telegraph notes that the bulk of the four-thousand jobs at risk are in Scunthorpe in Lincolnshire - one of the former Labour heartlands that on Thursday turned blue.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50797711






  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
    edited December 2019



    Party
    With first-past-the-post
    With proportional representation
    Seat change

    Conservative Party
    363
    288
    75

    Labour Party
    203
    213
    10

    Scottish National Party
    48
    26
    22

    Liberal Democrats
    11
    76
    65

    Democratic Unionist Party
    8
    5
    3

    Sinn Féin
    7
    4
    3

    Plaid Cymru
    4
    3
    1

    Green Party
    1
    18
    17

    Alliance Party
    1
    3
    2

    Brexit Party
    0
    13
    13

    Social Democratic and Labour Party


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/5-election-result-stats-paint-21089581
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:











    Some of Sunday's front pages picture the moment Boris Johnson found out he was heading for a landslide election victory - as the findings of the exit poll were revealed at 22:00 GMT on Thursday.
    The Mail on Sunday describes how the Prime Minister leapt to his feet, shouted with joy, and was congratulated by his girlfriend, Carrie Symonds.
    The Sunday Telegraph observes that their table had beer, coffee and snack pots at the ready.
    The paper also reports that Mr Johnson is planning a dramatic overhaul of Whitehall in a drive to demonstrate that his government "works for the people".



    It says his chief aide, Dominic Cummings, will spearhead a programme of radical reform of the civil service, including a review of the processes for hiring and firing officials, to ensure the Prime Minister's agenda is delivered.
    According to the Sunday Times, up to a third of the cabinet face the sack in a February reshuffle after the UK has left the EU - so that "fresh faces" can be brought in to create a "transformative" government focused on the needs of working-class voters.
    Insiders are quoted as saying new ministers will be selected according to their ability to drive change rather than because they are good media performers.

    The Observer and the Sunday Mirror both lead with Jeremy Corbyn's acceptance that he must take some of the responsibility for Labour's heavy defeat.
    Under the headline: "I'm Jez So Sorry", the Mirror says Mr Corbyn has been humbled.
    In the Observer, the Labour leader argues that the party paid the price for a Brexit policy that was seen by some as an attempt to straddle the divide between Remainers and Leavers, and by others as wanting to re-run the referendum.
    But Mr Corbyn also defends his record - blaming a political system that he says has been volatile since the financial crash, as well as the media and what he describes as Mr Johnson's "dishonesty".



    The move to enshrine in law a commitment to increase spending on the NHS is the lead story for the Sunday Express, which describes it as an "historic pledge".
    It's also the main political story in the Sun on Sunday. The paper says Mr Johnson wants to build on his election victory by proving to those who voted Tory for the first time that he can be trusted.
    And as the government contemplates decriminalising non-payment of the BBC licence fee, the Sunday Telegraph suggests that Downing Street has decided to boycott Radio 4's Today programme - because of what it describes as pro-Remain bias.
    The next five years are unlikely to prove plain sailing for the prime minister, and the Telegraph also carries a warning of an early event that it believes could turn into a crisis.
    It suggests that the proposed rescue of British Steel by the Chinese firm, Jingye, is close to collapse as a deadline approaches to finalise terms.
    British Steel's previous owner declared it insolvent in May, since when the business has been propped up by the taxpayer.
    The Telegraph notes that the bulk of the four-thousand jobs at risk are in Scunthorpe in Lincolnshire - one of the former Labour heartlands that on Thursday turned blue.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50797711






    I’m really warming to Boris.
    I know what makes him tick.
    He likes winning,and gives everything 100%. He gets his just rewards by winning practically everything he tries for.
    Unlike others who sit on the fence and end up with splinters to their backsides.
    Indecisive folk aren’t Leader material.
    There may be a little bit of trouble to come with Ireland ,but the SNP carry no clout, and need to start running their country far better than they’ve done up to now.
    I’m looking out for some infighting between the big three Eurozone economies.
    I think the car industry is in for really tough time throughout Europe.
    There’s so much finance involved in all areas of that industry.
    I think people have got Boris wrong, he’s his own man.


  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    Gl Boris and the UK👏
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
    edited December 2019
    chilling said:

    Gl Boris and the UK👏

    I’m really warming to Boris.


    I know what makes him tick.

    Really, congratulations.
    What might that be?
    Please enlighten the more ignorant among us.


    He likes winning, and gives everything 100%. He gets his just rewards by winning practically everything he tries for.

    He is a compulsive liar.
    The fact that he has been fired from two jobs for lying, is well documented.
    He is very intelligent, as the purchase of the 3 water cannons when he was London Mayor showed. The fact that they are illegal to use in this country didn't stop him. They were later sold as scrap for around 11k, proving he is a very safe pair of hands when it comes to spending our money.
    What about the millions spent on the Garden Bridge, that never got off the ground?
    There will be more to come from Jennifer Arcuri, and he cant even admit to how many kids he has.
    The Boris photo that perfectly sums him up for me is the one where he is stranded halfway down a zipwire waving his legs, and his little flags.
    Don't even get me started on his stupid, and racist comments.



    Unlike others who sit on the fence and end up with splinters to their backsides.
    Indecisive folk aren’t Leader material.

    Boris prefers to sit on both sides of the fence, and often provides contradictory answers to the same question from one day to the next.


    There may be a little bit of trouble to come with Ireland ,but the SNP carry no clout, and need to start running their country far better than they’ve done up to now.

    That sounds like something Boris would say about Ireland "there may be a little trouble to come".
    The Good Friday Agreement, is just a detail to Boris.
    He said no British PM would ever put a border in the Irish Sea, then he did.
    The Troubles starting up again, is a price he is prepared to pay, as is the break up of the UK.
    The SNP have over 90% of the seats in Scotland, and are the third biggest party in Westminster.
    Much of the control in Scotland is still held by Westminster.


    I’m looking out for some infighting between the big three Eurozone economies.
    I think the car industry is in for really tough time throughout Europe.

    Ours seems doomed.


    There’s so much finance involved in all areas of that industry.

    And?

    I think people have got Boris wrong, he’s his own man.

    Maybe it is you that has got Boris wrong?

    To have won an election against the incompetent Jeremy Corbyn, is hardly a ringing endorsement, and just proves he was the best of a very, very bad bunch.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
    edited December 2019
    Scotland election results 2019: SNP wins election landslide in Scotland



    Ms Sturgeon added: "Scotland has sent a very clear message - we don't want a Boris Johnson government, we don't want to leave the EU.



    The SNP has made big gains across Scotland, with Nicola Sturgeon saying the country had sent a "clear message" on a second independence referendum.
    The party won 48 seats after securing 45% of the vote - 8.1% more than in the last general election in 2017, when it won 35 seats.
    The SNP also defeated Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson in East Dunbartonshire.
    Ms Sturgeon said the result had exceeded her expectations.
    The Conservatives have won six seats, the Liberal Democrats four and Labour one.



    The Conservative vote had fallen by 3.5% to 25.1% across Scotland, while the Labour vote was down by 8.5% to 18.6%. The Liberal Democrat vote actually increased by 2.8% to 9.5% despite the loss of the party's leader.


    The SNP are once again the undoubted winners of the night, taking a slew of seats from their opponents including a big scalp in the form of Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50766014
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,837
    chilling said:

    Gl Boris and the UK👏

    Boris Johnson accused of repeating ‘lies’ about Brexit and NHS in new year message
    Address issued as prime minister enjoys luxury Caribbean break with his girlfriend, staying in a reputed £40,000-a-week villa






    Boris Johnson has been accused of retelling his election “lies” about Brexit and the NHS in a new year message pledging to end the “rancour and uncertainty” of 2019.
    The prime minister came under fire for insisting he was poised to begin cooking his “oven ready” deal for leaving the EU – a day after Brussels predicted he would be forced into yet another U-turn.

    Mr Johnson also reheated previously demolished claims that the NHS is about to enjoy “a record funding settlement”, with 40 new hospitals and 50,000 more nurses.



    The message was issued as the prime minister enjoyed a luxury break on the Caribbean paradise of Mustique, staying in a reputed £40,000-a-week villa with his girlfriend Carrie Symonds.

    “Boris Johnson’s new year’s resolution should have been to stop telling porkie pies, but his new year’s message sadly just repeats the many lies he peddled in the election,” said Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrats’ interim leader.

    “Worst of all, he repeats his proven lies on nurses and hospitals, just as his policy of a nurses’ tax will make the staffing crisis in the NHS even more serious.



    On Monday, Phil Hogan, the EU trade commissioner, predicted Mr Johnson will be forced to abandon his “stunt” of refusing to extend the post-Brexit transition period beyond 2020, because no trade deal will be ready.

    Ministers have been forced to acknowledge that there is currently cash for six new hospitals only and that their target is to recruit 31,000 nurses – with a further 19,000 to be retained.
    Similarly, the £20.5bn pledged to the NHS by 2024, in real terms, is smaller than the increase it received under Labour in the run-up to 2010.




    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-nhs-spending-new-year-eve-message-a9265706.html
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