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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    I read from the bottom up and didn’t read the initial boldy.
    I detect your not happy about something Haysie.
    Considering some think this country has been in some sort of crisis for a decade, the only real protests I’ve seen are for remaining and global warming.

    Protests rarely accomplish anything.


    Maybe a massive demonstration on NHS funding in the City was required?

    Every year for the last 10?


    There never was one though, so obviously not high up on anybody’s agenda until election time.
    Which is par for the course.



    You sound like Boris/Trump now.



    Glossing over the fact that Blair has told the most despicable lie in decades, and the fallout thereafter, is not good imo.
    He’s an evil greedy man,in his own bubble,that’s what power does to some.

    Really?


    He should have been brought to justice, but that’s politics for you.Forget the party he led, that’s insignificant.

    Why do you think he wasn't?

    Things to do... More NHS funding,more school funding,more for policing and fighting crime,infrastructure spending,rejuvenating areas,dredging rivers, affordable home building,plant the odd tree or three,etc, etc.

    The Tories have made dramatic cuts to all these areas during the last 10 years.


    All the above and more require investment,so attracting investment is the key.
    Unfortunately most of our profitable, good cash flow businesses are already in foreign ownership,
    we’ve been pillaged .

    Pointing this out does not improve the situation.


    Now is actually a good time to borrow 100’s of billions of ££,s, with interest rates where they are.The Eurozone will be doing likewise, I’m sure.

    Reducing the deficit, and not borrowing was apparently the reason they made the cuts in the first place.
    Every Brexit option damages the economy.
    Borrowing loads of money combined with less income is not usually a formula for success.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    Times have changed over the past decade.Rates are low,printing money appears to be acceptable and the norm.
    I think you’ve got the Boris/Trump relationship wrong. They are our biggest Ally.
    Are they never supposed to meet or communicate? Now that would be extremely odd.
    No mention of May/Trump? Was she not right wing enough? Trump won’t be in power forever.
    I’m really not sure of your constant Boris/Trump connection.
    Maybe it’s through following too many selective newspaper articles.
    Borrowing is ok as long as you can meet your payments, and if there’s an appetite for your debt.
    It’s either borrow or raise taxes, or a mixture of the two.
    The former is the less of the evils in the current economic cycle.
    That cycle is a global slowdown,so when it comes to statements such as “ Brexit will affect the U.K. far worse than the Euro Zone”, I’d take that with a pinch of salt.
    They are all weakening economies,they will all be in the same boat for the foreseeable future.
    You would expect reasonably intelligent people to not rock the boat further, once all the gesturing and posturing has been left behind.
    I’m not interested in % this % that, that headline figures show between the U.K. and the Eurozone regarding trade, as they will always be on the move anyway.
    Let’s just see if the very very large holdings of foreign owned companies in the U.K,( very large Eurozone holdings here)put up the “ for sale” signs, and who would buy them, without the owners taking a substantial hit.
    The biggest decisions will have to be made by Brussels, and not the U.K.
    More sweat for Brussels than the U.K. I suspect.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
    edited January 2020
    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    I read from the bottom up and didn’t read the initial boldy.
    I detect your not happy about something Haysie.
    Considering some think this country has been in some sort of crisis for a decade, the only real protests I’ve seen are for remaining and global warming.

    Protests rarely accomplish anything.


    Maybe a massive demonstration on NHS funding in the City was required?

    Every year for the last 10?


    There never was one though, so obviously not high up on anybody’s agenda until election time.
    Which is par for the course.



    You sound like Boris/Trump now.



    Glossing over the fact that Blair has told the most despicable lie in decades, and the fallout thereafter, is not good imo.
    He’s an evil greedy man,in his own bubble,that’s what power does to some.

    Really?


    He should have been brought to justice, but that’s politics for you.Forget the party he led, that’s insignificant.

    Why do you think he wasn't?

    Things to do... More NHS funding,more school funding,more for policing and fighting crime,infrastructure spending,rejuvenating areas,dredging rivers, affordable home building,plant the odd tree or three,etc, etc.

    The Tories have made dramatic cuts to all these areas during the last 10 years.


    All the above and more require investment,so attracting investment is the key.
    Unfortunately most of our profitable, good cash flow businesses are already in foreign ownership,
    we’ve been pillaged .

    Pointing this out does not improve the situation.


    Now is actually a good time to borrow 100’s of billions of ££,s, with interest rates where they are.The Eurozone will be doing likewise, I’m sure.

    Reducing the deficit, and not borrowing was apparently the reason they made the cuts in the first place.
    Every Brexit option damages the economy.
    Borrowing loads of money combined with less income is not usually a formula for success.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    Times have changed over the past decade.Rates are low,printing money appears to be acceptable and the norm.

    The number one reason given by the Tories for the austerity measures, was to reduce the deficit after the banking crisis.
    This policy has since been questioned.
    We still have a substantial deficit, yet Boris seems to want to spend money like it is going out of fashion, and undo the substantial cuts that were made.
    My point is that he plans to do this, subsequent to our economy being damaged by Brexit.
    Interest rates are less important than Brexit.
    You are making him out to be some sort of superhero, who got some sort of miraculous election victory, when the facts are he got an increase in votes over Theresa May of 1.2%, and Corbyn was more responsible than he was for that.



    I think you’ve got the Boris/Trump relationship wrong.

    I don't think I have commented on any Boris/Trump relationship.

    I did make the point that you sounded like them, when you seemed to summarise solutions to the problems of the world in a couple of sentences.


    They are our biggest Ally.

    Sometimes.

    Who do you think is in charge of this relationship?


    Are they never supposed to meet or communicate? Now that would be extremely odd.
    No mention of May/Trump? Was she not right wing enough? Trump won’t be in power forever.

    The fact that he wont be in power for ever is not really supporting your argument.


    I’m really not sure of your constant Boris/Trump connection.

    Constant, when?



    Maybe it’s through following too many selective newspaper articles.
    Borrowing is ok as long as you can meet your payments, and if there’s an appetite for your debt.
    It’s either borrow or raise taxes, or a mixture of the two.
    The former is the less of the evils in the current economic cycle.
    That cycle is a global slowdown,so when it comes to statements such as “ Brexit will affect the U.K. far worse than the Euro Zone”, I’d take that with a pinch of salt.

    I didn't say that.

    I got to go now, but you should have stood, you could have sorted it all out by the morning, without breaking into a sweat.


    They are all weakening economies,they will all be in the same boat for the foreseeable future.
    You would expect reasonably intelligent people to not rock the boat further, once all the gesturing and posturing has been left behind.
    I’m not interested in % this % that, that headline figures show between the U.K. and the Eurozone regarding trade, as they will always be on the move anyway.
    Let’s just see if the very very large holdings of foreign owned companies in the U.K,( very large Eurozone holdings here)put up the “ for sale” signs, and who would buy them, without the owners taking a substantial hit.
    The biggest decisions will have to be made by Brussels, and not the U.K.
    More sweat for Brussels than the U.K. I suspect.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    And who would have caused that?


  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    I read from the bottom up and didn’t read the initial boldy.
    I detect your not happy about something Haysie.
    Considering some think this country has been in some sort of crisis for a decade, the only real protests I’ve seen are for remaining and global warming.

    Protests rarely accomplish anything.


    Maybe a massive demonstration on NHS funding in the City was required?

    Every year for the last 10?


    There never was one though, so obviously not high up on anybody’s agenda until election time.
    Which is par for the course.



    You sound like Boris/Trump now.



    Glossing over the fact that Blair has told the most despicable lie in decades, and the fallout thereafter, is not good imo.
    He’s an evil greedy man,in his own bubble,that’s what power does to some.

    Really?


    He should have been brought to justice, but that’s politics for you.Forget the party he led, that’s insignificant.

    Why do you think he wasn't?

    Things to do... More NHS funding,more school funding,more for policing and fighting crime,infrastructure spending,rejuvenating areas,dredging rivers, affordable home building,plant the odd tree or three,etc, etc.

    The Tories have made dramatic cuts to all these areas during the last 10 years.


    All the above and more require investment,so attracting investment is the key.
    Unfortunately most of our profitable, good cash flow businesses are already in foreign ownership,
    we’ve been pillaged .

    Pointing this out does not improve the situation.


    Now is actually a good time to borrow 100’s of billions of ££,s, with interest rates where they are.The Eurozone will be doing likewise, I’m sure.

    Reducing the deficit, and not borrowing was apparently the reason they made the cuts in the first place.
    Every Brexit option damages the economy.
    Borrowing loads of money combined with less income is not usually a formula for success.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    Times have changed over the past decade.Rates are low,printing money appears to be acceptable and the norm.

    The number one reason given by the Tories for the austerity measures, was to reduce the deficit after the banking crisis.
    This policy has since been questioned.
    We still have a substantial deficit, yet Boris seems to want to spend money like it is going out of fashion, and undo the substantial cuts that were made.
    My point is that he plans to do this, subsequent to our economy being damaged by Brexit.
    Interest rates are less important than Brexit.
    You are making him out to be some sort of superhero, who got some sort of miraculous election victory, when the facts are he got an increase in votes over Theresa May of 1.2%, and Corbyn was more responsible than he was for that.



    I think you’ve got the Boris/Trump relationship wrong.

    I don't think I have commented on any Boris/Trump relationship.

    I did make the point that you sounded like them, when you seemed to summarise solutions to the problems of the world in a couple of sentences.


    They are our biggest Ally.

    Sometimes.

    Who do you think is in charge of this relationship?


    Are they never supposed to meet or communicate? Now that would be extremely odd.
    No mention of May/Trump? Was she not right wing enough? Trump won’t be in power forever.

    The fact that he wont be in power for ever is not really supporting your argument.


    I’m really not sure of your constant Boris/Trump connection.

    Constant, when?



    Maybe it’s through following too many selective newspaper articles.
    Borrowing is ok as long as you can meet your payments, and if there’s an appetite for your debt.
    It’s either borrow or raise taxes, or a mixture of the two.
    The former is the less of the evils in the current economic cycle.
    That cycle is a global slowdown,so when it comes to statements such as “ Brexit will affect the U.K. far worse than the Euro Zone”, I’d take that with a pinch of salt.

    I didn't say that.

    I got to go now, but you should have stood, you could have sorted it all out by the morning, without breaking into a sweat.


    They are all weakening economies,they will all be in the same boat for the foreseeable future.
    You would expect reasonably intelligent people to not rock the boat further, once all the gesturing and posturing has been left behind.
    I’m not interested in % this % that, that headline figures show between the U.K. and the Eurozone regarding trade, as they will always be on the move anyway.
    Let’s just see if the very very large holdings of foreign owned companies in the U.K,( very large Eurozone holdings here)put up the “ for sale” signs, and who would buy them, without the owners taking a substantial hit.
    The biggest decisions will have to be made by Brussels, and not the U.K.
    More sweat for Brussels than the U.K. I suspect.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    And who would have caused that?


    If Trump and his administration aren’t in power come next year, then any future trade deals won’t involve him. That’s my argument, or view.
    Increasing tensions caused by others in the past will result in future wars.Baggage.
    Maybe me seeing numerous captions you’ve put up with Johnson/Trump as seemingly being in each other’s pockets leads me to believe you believe that’s true.
    I’m not sure what your view is, so stand corrected if it’s not, as they aren’t to be taken seriously anyway. Keeps someone in a job I suppose.
    I think I’m more optimistic than yourself,not right wing, just more of an optimist.
    I know you never said that Brexit will hit the U.K. harder than the EU,that was posturing from the EU.Sometimes a divorce is for the best, and we’re having one.

    If the choice was between a Corbyn led government and Brexit, I’d choose Brexit every time.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    I’m not making out Boris is a Super Hero, I’m getting behind him as he’s be elected to run the country,something he can actually get on and do after all the stalling by others.
    I’m sure he’ll give it his best shot, and if he fails, so be it.
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,461
    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    I read from the bottom up and didn’t read the initial boldy.
    I detect your not happy about something Haysie.
    Considering some think this country has been in some sort of crisis for a decade, the only real protests I’ve seen are for remaining and global warming.

    Protests rarely accomplish anything.


    Maybe a massive demonstration on NHS funding in the City was required?

    Every year for the last 10?


    There never was one though, so obviously not high up on anybody’s agenda until election time.
    Which is par for the course.



    You sound like Boris/Trump now.



    Glossing over the fact that Blair has told the most despicable lie in decades, and the fallout thereafter, is not good imo.
    He’s an evil greedy man,in his own bubble,that’s what power does to some.

    Really?


    He should have been brought to justice, but that’s politics for you.Forget the party he led, that’s insignificant.

    Why do you think he wasn't?

    Things to do... More NHS funding,more school funding,more for policing and fighting crime,infrastructure spending,rejuvenating areas,dredging rivers, affordable home building,plant the odd tree or three,etc, etc.

    The Tories have made dramatic cuts to all these areas during the last 10 years.


    All the above and more require investment,so attracting investment is the key.
    Unfortunately most of our profitable, good cash flow businesses are already in foreign ownership,
    we’ve been pillaged .

    Pointing this out does not improve the situation.


    Now is actually a good time to borrow 100’s of billions of ££,s, with interest rates where they are.The Eurozone will be doing likewise, I’m sure.

    Reducing the deficit, and not borrowing was apparently the reason they made the cuts in the first place.
    Every Brexit option damages the economy.
    Borrowing loads of money combined with less income is not usually a formula for success.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    Times have changed over the past decade.Rates are low,printing money appears to be acceptable and the norm.

    The number one reason given by the Tories for the austerity measures, was to reduce the deficit after the banking crisis.
    This policy has since been questioned.
    We still have a substantial deficit, yet Boris seems to want to spend money like it is going out of fashion, and undo the substantial cuts that were made.
    My point is that he plans to do this, subsequent to our economy being damaged by Brexit.
    Interest rates are less important than Brexit.
    You are making him out to be some sort of superhero, who got some sort of miraculous election victory, when the facts are he got an increase in votes over Theresa May of 1.2%, and Corbyn was more responsible than he was for that.



    I think you’ve got the Boris/Trump relationship wrong.

    I don't think I have commented on any Boris/Trump relationship.

    I did make the point that you sounded like them, when you seemed to summarise solutions to the problems of the world in a couple of sentences.


    They are our biggest Ally.

    Sometimes.

    Who do you think is in charge of this relationship?


    Are they never supposed to meet or communicate? Now that would be extremely odd.
    No mention of May/Trump? Was she not right wing enough? Trump won’t be in power forever.

    The fact that he wont be in power for ever is not really supporting your argument.


    I’m really not sure of your constant Boris/Trump connection.

    Constant, when?



    Maybe it’s through following too many selective newspaper articles.
    Borrowing is ok as long as you can meet your payments, and if there’s an appetite for your debt.
    It’s either borrow or raise taxes, or a mixture of the two.
    The former is the less of the evils in the current economic cycle.
    That cycle is a global slowdown,so when it comes to statements such as “ Brexit will affect the U.K. far worse than the Euro Zone”, I’d take that with a pinch of salt.

    I didn't say that.

    I got to go now, but you should have stood, you could have sorted it all out by the morning, without breaking into a sweat.


    They are all weakening economies,they will all be in the same boat for the foreseeable future.
    You would expect reasonably intelligent people to not rock the boat further, once all the gesturing and posturing has been left behind.
    I’m not interested in % this % that, that headline figures show between the U.K. and the Eurozone regarding trade, as they will always be on the move anyway.
    Let’s just see if the very very large holdings of foreign owned companies in the U.K,( very large Eurozone holdings here)put up the “ for sale” signs, and who would buy them, without the owners taking a substantial hit.
    The biggest decisions will have to be made by Brussels, and not the U.K.
    More sweat for Brussels than the U.K. I suspect.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    And who would have caused that?


    Hmmmm....now why would Trump make that decision now....nothing to do with a distraction from his impending impeachment? ( Thatcher..falklands war?)
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
    chilling said:

    I’m not making out Boris is a Super Hero, I’m getting behind him as he’s be elected to run the country,something he can actually get on and do after all the stalling by others.
    I’m sure he’ll give it his best shot, and if he fails, so be it.

    I really haven't the slightest idea of how you think that you getting behind him can possibly help his cause.
    The man is a compulsive liar, and surely just a matter of time, before he gets skewered by them.
    Boris was one of the stallers that voted against the Theresa May deal twice.
    How could you explain the logic of his voting in favour of exactly the same deal, on the third occasion?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    I read from the bottom up and didn’t read the initial boldy.
    I detect your not happy about something Haysie.
    Considering some think this country has been in some sort of crisis for a decade, the only real protests I’ve seen are for remaining and global warming.

    Protests rarely accomplish anything.


    Maybe a massive demonstration on NHS funding in the City was required?

    Every year for the last 10?


    There never was one though, so obviously not high up on anybody’s agenda until election time.
    Which is par for the course.



    You sound like Boris/Trump now.



    Glossing over the fact that Blair has told the most despicable lie in decades, and the fallout thereafter, is not good imo.
    He’s an evil greedy man,in his own bubble,that’s what power does to some.

    Really?


    He should have been brought to justice, but that’s politics for you.Forget the party he led, that’s insignificant.

    Why do you think he wasn't?

    Things to do... More NHS funding,more school funding,more for policing and fighting crime,infrastructure spending,rejuvenating areas,dredging rivers, affordable home building,plant the odd tree or three,etc, etc.

    The Tories have made dramatic cuts to all these areas during the last 10 years.


    All the above and more require investment,so attracting investment is the key.
    Unfortunately most of our profitable, good cash flow businesses are already in foreign ownership,
    we’ve been pillaged .

    Pointing this out does not improve the situation.


    Now is actually a good time to borrow 100’s of billions of ££,s, with interest rates where they are.The Eurozone will be doing likewise, I’m sure.

    Reducing the deficit, and not borrowing was apparently the reason they made the cuts in the first place.
    Every Brexit option damages the economy.
    Borrowing loads of money combined with less income is not usually a formula for success.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    Times have changed over the past decade.Rates are low,printing money appears to be acceptable and the norm.

    The number one reason given by the Tories for the austerity measures, was to reduce the deficit after the banking crisis.
    This policy has since been questioned.
    We still have a substantial deficit, yet Boris seems to want to spend money like it is going out of fashion, and undo the substantial cuts that were made.
    My point is that he plans to do this, subsequent to our economy being damaged by Brexit.
    Interest rates are less important than Brexit.
    You are making him out to be some sort of superhero, who got some sort of miraculous election victory, when the facts are he got an increase in votes over Theresa May of 1.2%, and Corbyn was more responsible than he was for that.



    I think you’ve got the Boris/Trump relationship wrong.

    I don't think I have commented on any Boris/Trump relationship.

    I did make the point that you sounded like them, when you seemed to summarise solutions to the problems of the world in a couple of sentences.


    They are our biggest Ally.

    Sometimes.

    Who do you think is in charge of this relationship?


    Are they never supposed to meet or communicate? Now that would be extremely odd.
    No mention of May/Trump? Was she not right wing enough? Trump won’t be in power forever.

    The fact that he wont be in power for ever is not really supporting your argument.


    I’m really not sure of your constant Boris/Trump connection.

    Constant, when?



    Maybe it’s through following too many selective newspaper articles.
    Borrowing is ok as long as you can meet your payments, and if there’s an appetite for your debt.
    It’s either borrow or raise taxes, or a mixture of the two.
    The former is the less of the evils in the current economic cycle.
    That cycle is a global slowdown,so when it comes to statements such as “ Brexit will affect the U.K. far worse than the Euro Zone”, I’d take that with a pinch of salt.

    I didn't say that.

    I got to go now, but you should have stood, you could have sorted it all out by the morning, without breaking into a sweat.


    They are all weakening economies,they will all be in the same boat for the foreseeable future.
    You would expect reasonably intelligent people to not rock the boat further, once all the gesturing and posturing has been left behind.
    I’m not interested in % this % that, that headline figures show between the U.K. and the Eurozone regarding trade, as they will always be on the move anyway.
    Let’s just see if the very very large holdings of foreign owned companies in the U.K,( very large Eurozone holdings here)put up the “ for sale” signs, and who would buy them, without the owners taking a substantial hit.
    The biggest decisions will have to be made by Brussels, and not the U.K.
    More sweat for Brussels than the U.K. I suspect.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    And who would have caused that?


    Hmmmm....now why would Trump make that decision now....nothing to do with a distraction from his impending impeachment? ( Thatcher..falklands war?)

    It was only a minute ago when you were defending them as "our allies".

    If we were dragged into a war in Iran, would you blame Trump, and the US, or Boris, or would you defend Boris by saying he had to do what he is told, or maybe revert to blaming Tony Blair?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    I read from the bottom up and didn’t read the initial boldy.
    I detect your not happy about something Haysie.
    Considering some think this country has been in some sort of crisis for a decade, the only real protests I’ve seen are for remaining and global warming.

    Protests rarely accomplish anything.


    Maybe a massive demonstration on NHS funding in the City was required?

    Every year for the last 10?


    There never was one though, so obviously not high up on anybody’s agenda until election time.
    Which is par for the course.



    You sound like Boris/Trump now.



    Glossing over the fact that Blair has told the most despicable lie in decades, and the fallout thereafter, is not good imo.
    He’s an evil greedy man,in his own bubble,that’s what power does to some.

    Really?


    He should have been brought to justice, but that’s politics for you.Forget the party he led, that’s insignificant.

    Why do you think he wasn't?

    Things to do... More NHS funding,more school funding,more for policing and fighting crime,infrastructure spending,rejuvenating areas,dredging rivers, affordable home building,plant the odd tree or three,etc, etc.

    The Tories have made dramatic cuts to all these areas during the last 10 years.


    All the above and more require investment,so attracting investment is the key.
    Unfortunately most of our profitable, good cash flow businesses are already in foreign ownership,
    we’ve been pillaged .

    Pointing this out does not improve the situation.


    Now is actually a good time to borrow 100’s of billions of ££,s, with interest rates where they are.The Eurozone will be doing likewise, I’m sure.

    Reducing the deficit, and not borrowing was apparently the reason they made the cuts in the first place.
    Every Brexit option damages the economy.
    Borrowing loads of money combined with less income is not usually a formula for success.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    Times have changed over the past decade.Rates are low,printing money appears to be acceptable and the norm.

    The number one reason given by the Tories for the austerity measures, was to reduce the deficit after the banking crisis.
    This policy has since been questioned.
    We still have a substantial deficit, yet Boris seems to want to spend money like it is going out of fashion, and undo the substantial cuts that were made.
    My point is that he plans to do this, subsequent to our economy being damaged by Brexit.
    Interest rates are less important than Brexit.
    You are making him out to be some sort of superhero, who got some sort of miraculous election victory, when the facts are he got an increase in votes over Theresa May of 1.2%, and Corbyn was more responsible than he was for that.



    I think you’ve got the Boris/Trump relationship wrong.

    I don't think I have commented on any Boris/Trump relationship.

    I did make the point that you sounded like them, when you seemed to summarise solutions to the problems of the world in a couple of sentences.


    They are our biggest Ally.

    Sometimes.

    Who do you think is in charge of this relationship?


    Are they never supposed to meet or communicate? Now that would be extremely odd.
    No mention of May/Trump? Was she not right wing enough? Trump won’t be in power forever.

    The fact that he wont be in power for ever is not really supporting your argument.


    I’m really not sure of your constant Boris/Trump connection.

    Constant, when?



    Maybe it’s through following too many selective newspaper articles.
    Borrowing is ok as long as you can meet your payments, and if there’s an appetite for your debt.
    It’s either borrow or raise taxes, or a mixture of the two.
    The former is the less of the evils in the current economic cycle.
    That cycle is a global slowdown,so when it comes to statements such as “ Brexit will affect the U.K. far worse than the Euro Zone”, I’d take that with a pinch of salt.

    I didn't say that.

    I got to go now, but you should have stood, you could have sorted it all out by the morning, without breaking into a sweat.


    They are all weakening economies,they will all be in the same boat for the foreseeable future.
    You would expect reasonably intelligent people to not rock the boat further, once all the gesturing and posturing has been left behind.
    I’m not interested in % this % that, that headline figures show between the U.K. and the Eurozone regarding trade, as they will always be on the move anyway.
    Let’s just see if the very very large holdings of foreign owned companies in the U.K,( very large Eurozone holdings here)put up the “ for sale” signs, and who would buy them, without the owners taking a substantial hit.
    The biggest decisions will have to be made by Brussels, and not the U.K.
    More sweat for Brussels than the U.K. I suspect.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    And who would have caused that?


    Hmmmm....now why would Trump make that decision now....nothing to do with a distraction from his impending impeachment? ( Thatcher..falklands war?)
    The Americans will do what they want, and we will follow like lapdogs.

    They will always be in charge of our special relationship.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    I read from the bottom up and didn’t read the initial boldy.
    I detect your not happy about something Haysie.
    Considering some think this country has been in some sort of crisis for a decade, the only real protests I’ve seen are for remaining and global warming.

    Protests rarely accomplish anything.


    Maybe a massive demonstration on NHS funding in the City was required?

    Every year for the last 10?


    There never was one though, so obviously not high up on anybody’s agenda until election time.
    Which is par for the course.



    You sound like Boris/Trump now.



    Glossing over the fact that Blair has told the most despicable lie in decades, and the fallout thereafter, is not good imo.
    He’s an evil greedy man,in his own bubble,that’s what power does to some.

    Really?


    He should have been brought to justice, but that’s politics for you.Forget the party he led, that’s insignificant.

    Why do you think he wasn't?

    Things to do... More NHS funding,more school funding,more for policing and fighting crime,infrastructure spending,rejuvenating areas,dredging rivers, affordable home building,plant the odd tree or three,etc, etc.

    The Tories have made dramatic cuts to all these areas during the last 10 years.


    All the above and more require investment,so attracting investment is the key.
    Unfortunately most of our profitable, good cash flow businesses are already in foreign ownership,
    we’ve been pillaged .

    Pointing this out does not improve the situation.


    Now is actually a good time to borrow 100’s of billions of ££,s, with interest rates where they are.The Eurozone will be doing likewise, I’m sure.

    Reducing the deficit, and not borrowing was apparently the reason they made the cuts in the first place.
    Every Brexit option damages the economy.
    Borrowing loads of money combined with less income is not usually a formula for success.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    Times have changed over the past decade.Rates are low,printing money appears to be acceptable and the norm.

    The number one reason given by the Tories for the austerity measures, was to reduce the deficit after the banking crisis.
    This policy has since been questioned.
    We still have a substantial deficit, yet Boris seems to want to spend money like it is going out of fashion, and undo the substantial cuts that were made.
    My point is that he plans to do this, subsequent to our economy being damaged by Brexit.
    Interest rates are less important than Brexit.
    You are making him out to be some sort of superhero, who got some sort of miraculous election victory, when the facts are he got an increase in votes over Theresa May of 1.2%, and Corbyn was more responsible than he was for that.



    I think you’ve got the Boris/Trump relationship wrong.

    I don't think I have commented on any Boris/Trump relationship.

    I did make the point that you sounded like them, when you seemed to summarise solutions to the problems of the world in a couple of sentences.


    They are our biggest Ally.

    Sometimes.

    Who do you think is in charge of this relationship?


    Are they never supposed to meet or communicate? Now that would be extremely odd.
    No mention of May/Trump? Was she not right wing enough? Trump won’t be in power forever.

    The fact that he wont be in power for ever is not really supporting your argument.


    I’m really not sure of your constant Boris/Trump connection.

    Constant, when?



    Maybe it’s through following too many selective newspaper articles.
    Borrowing is ok as long as you can meet your payments, and if there’s an appetite for your debt.
    It’s either borrow or raise taxes, or a mixture of the two.
    The former is the less of the evils in the current economic cycle.
    That cycle is a global slowdown,so when it comes to statements such as “ Brexit will affect the U.K. far worse than the Euro Zone”, I’d take that with a pinch of salt.

    I didn't say that.

    I got to go now, but you should have stood, you could have sorted it all out by the morning, without breaking into a sweat.


    They are all weakening economies,they will all be in the same boat for the foreseeable future.
    You would expect reasonably intelligent people to not rock the boat further, once all the gesturing and posturing has been left behind.
    I’m not interested in % this % that, that headline figures show between the U.K. and the Eurozone regarding trade, as they will always be on the move anyway.
    Let’s just see if the very very large holdings of foreign owned companies in the U.K,( very large Eurozone holdings here)put up the “ for sale” signs, and who would buy them, without the owners taking a substantial hit.
    The biggest decisions will have to be made by Brussels, and not the U.K.
    More sweat for Brussels than the U.K. I suspect.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    And who would have caused that?


    If Trump and his administration aren’t in power come next year, then any future trade deals won’t involve him. That’s my argument, or view.

    Whoever succeeds him will still pursue an America First policy.


    Increasing tensions caused by others in the past will result in future wars.Baggage.

    We are followers, not leaders in our relationship with the US.


    Maybe me seeing numerous captions you’ve put up with Johnson/Trump as seemingly being in each other’s pockets leads me to believe you believe that’s true.

    I believe they are similar in many ways, particularly lying.


    I’m not sure what your view is, so stand corrected if it’s not, as they aren’t to be taken seriously anyway. Keeps someone in a job I suppose.

    I don't understand?


    I think I’m more optimistic than yourself,not right wing, just more of an optimist.

    I prefer optimism that is based on facts, rather than mere hope.


    I know you never said that Brexit will hit the U.K. harder than the EU,that was posturing from the EU.Sometimes a divorce is for the best, and we’re having one.

    Logically the EU losses will be spread through all their members, whereas the losses we face are likely to be greater.
    I cant that anyone could possibly consider that leaving the worlds largest trading bloc was not going to damage our economy.



    If the choice was between a Corbyn led government and Brexit, I’d choose Brexit every time.
    That is a choice that was never likely to become a reality.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    I read from the bottom up and didn’t read the initial boldy.
    I detect your not happy about something Haysie.
    Considering some think this country has been in some sort of crisis for a decade, the only real protests I’ve seen are for remaining and global warming.

    Protests rarely accomplish anything.


    Maybe a massive demonstration on NHS funding in the City was required?

    Every year for the last 10?


    There never was one though, so obviously not high up on anybody’s agenda until election time.
    Which is par for the course.



    You sound like Boris/Trump now.



    Glossing over the fact that Blair has told the most despicable lie in decades, and the fallout thereafter, is not good imo.
    He’s an evil greedy man,in his own bubble,that’s what power does to some.

    Really?


    He should have been brought to justice, but that’s politics for you.Forget the party he led, that’s insignificant.

    Why do you think he wasn't?

    Things to do... More NHS funding,more school funding,more for policing and fighting crime,infrastructure spending,rejuvenating areas,dredging rivers, affordable home building,plant the odd tree or three,etc, etc.

    The Tories have made dramatic cuts to all these areas during the last 10 years.


    All the above and more require investment,so attracting investment is the key.
    Unfortunately most of our profitable, good cash flow businesses are already in foreign ownership,
    we’ve been pillaged .

    Pointing this out does not improve the situation.


    Now is actually a good time to borrow 100’s of billions of ££,s, with interest rates where they are.The Eurozone will be doing likewise, I’m sure.

    Reducing the deficit, and not borrowing was apparently the reason they made the cuts in the first place.
    Every Brexit option damages the economy.
    Borrowing loads of money combined with less income is not usually a formula for success.


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    Times have changed over the past decade.Rates are low,printing money appears to be acceptable and the norm.

    The number one reason given by the Tories for the austerity measures, was to reduce the deficit after the banking crisis.
    This policy has since been questioned.
    We still have a substantial deficit, yet Boris seems to want to spend money like it is going out of fashion, and undo the substantial cuts that were made.
    My point is that he plans to do this, subsequent to our economy being damaged by Brexit.
    Interest rates are less important than Brexit.
    You are making him out to be some sort of superhero, who got some sort of miraculous election victory, when the facts are he got an increase in votes over Theresa May of 1.2%, and Corbyn was more responsible than he was for that.



    I think you’ve got the Boris/Trump relationship wrong.

    I don't think I have commented on any Boris/Trump relationship.

    I did make the point that you sounded like them, when you seemed to summarise solutions to the problems of the world in a couple of sentences.


    They are our biggest Ally.

    Sometimes.

    Who do you think is in charge of this relationship?


    Are they never supposed to meet or communicate? Now that would be extremely odd.
    No mention of May/Trump? Was she not right wing enough? Trump won’t be in power forever.

    The fact that he wont be in power for ever is not really supporting your argument.


    I’m really not sure of your constant Boris/Trump connection.

    Constant, when?



    Maybe it’s through following too many selective newspaper articles.

    Selected how?



    Borrowing is ok as long as you can meet your payments, and if there’s an appetite for your debt.

    All the savings from the EU payments have gone into the NHS. Despite the fact that we will pay our normal payments during the transition this year. On top of that we have the divorce bill, which is the equivalent of almost three and a half years payments. That just about takes us up to the end of this Parliament.
    On top of that he is compensating our farmers for the money they lose from the EU. Then there is the small matter of 20,000 police officers, money for schools, more armed forces, 50,000 nurses, 6,000 GPs, mental health services, HS2, NI, and tax reductions, etc,etc.
    All of this from a smaller economy.
    This used to be called shi tting miracles.




    It’s either borrow or raise taxes, or a mixture of the two.



    Or both and pray for a miracle.




    The former is the less of the evils in the current economic cycle.
    That cycle is a global slowdown,so when it comes to statements such as “ Brexit will affect the U.K. far worse than the Euro Zone”, I’d take that with a pinch of salt.

    I didn't say that.

    I got to go now, but you should have stood, you could have sorted it all out by the morning, without breaking into a sweat.


    They are all weakening economies,they will all be in the same boat for the foreseeable future.

    That does not help us one bit.


    You would expect reasonably intelligent people to not rock the boat further, once all the gesturing and posturing has been left behind.

    How exactly are intelligent people rocking the boat?


    I’m not interested in % this % that, that headline figures show between the U.K. and the Eurozone regarding trade, as they will always be on the move anyway.

    Is the above meant to make any sense at all?



    Let’s just see if the very very large holdings of foreign owned companies in the U.K,( very large Eurozone holdings here)put up the “ for sale” signs, and who would buy them, without the owners taking a substantial hit.

    Some companies have relocated, others will follow.

    Some that were considering setting up in the UK, have decided to go elsewhere in Europe.



    The biggest decisions will have to be made by Brussels, and not the U.K.
    More sweat for Brussels than the U.K. I suspect.

    Decisions regarding what?


    Forget all the above if the 3rd World War kicks off in the early hours.

    And who would have caused that?


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
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    Maybe it’s through following too many selective newspaper articles.

    Selected how?



    Borrowing is ok as long as you can meet your payments, and if there’s an appetite for your debt.

    All the savings from the EU payments have gone into the NHS. Despite the fact that we will pay our normal payments during the transition this year. On top of that we have the divorce bill, which is the equivalent of almost three and a half years payments. That just about takes us up to the end of this Parliament.
    On top of that he is compensating our farmers for the money they lose from the EU. Then there is the small matter of 20,000 police officers, money for schools, more armed forces, 50,000 nurses, 6,000 GPs, mental health services, HS2, NI, and tax reductions, etc,etc.
    All of this from a smaller economy.
    This used to be called shi tting miracles.




    It’s either borrow or raise taxes, or a mixture of the two.



    Or both and pray for a miracle.



    The former is the less of the evils in the current economic cycle.
    That cycle is a global slowdown,so when it comes to statements such as “ Brexit will affect the U.K. far worse than the Euro Zone”, I’d take that with a pinch of salt.

    I didn't say that.

    I got to go now, but you should have stood, you could have sorted it all out by the morning, without breaking into a sweat.


    They are all weakening economies,they will all be in the same boat for the foreseeable future.

    That does not help us one bit.


    You would expect reasonably intelligent people to not rock the boat further, once all the gesturing and posturing has been left behind.

    How exactly are intelligent people rocking the boat?


    I’m not interested in % this % that, that headline figures show between the U.K. and the Eurozone regarding trade, as they will always be on the move anyway.

    Is the above meant to make any sense at all?



    Let’s just see if the very very large holdings of foreign owned companies in the U.K,( very large Eurozone holdings here)put up the “ for sale” signs, and who would buy them, without the owners taking a substantial hit.

    Some companies have relocated, others will follow.

    Some that were considering setting up in the UK, have decided to go elsewhere in Europe
    .


    The biggest decisions will have to be made by Brussels, and not the U.K.
    More sweat for Brussels than the U.K. I suspect.

    Decisions regarding what?
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    chilling said:

    I’m not making out Boris is a Super Hero, I’m getting behind him as he’s be elected to run the country,something he can actually get on and do after all the stalling by others.
    I’m sure he’ll give it his best shot, and if he fails, so be it.

    Taxpayers will suffer £40billion loss if HS2 goes ahead, official reviewer warns

    In an incendiary report submitted to the Prime Minister and seen by The Telegraph, Lord Berkeley states that there is "overwhelming evidence" that the rail line's costs are "out of control" and that its benefits have been "overstated" by ministers and officials.
    The peer, who was deputy chairman of the official review commissioned by Mr Johnson, says it is "highly unlikely" Parliament would have approved the project if MPs had been given the "real" costs attached to the scheme.
    Writing in this newspaper,...

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/04/taxpayers-will-suffer-40billion-loss-hs2-goes-ahead-official/
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    Boris Johnson fails to return to work from luxury Caribbean holiday despite looming threat of Iran war, leaving civil servant to chair emergency meetings





    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-fails-to-return-to-work-from-luxury-caribbean-holiday-despite-looming-threat-of-iran-war-leaving-civil-servant-to-chair-emergency-meetings/ar-BBYCYt8?ocid=spartandhp
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,450
    chilling said:

    I’m not making out Boris is a Super Hero, I’m getting behind him as he’s be elected to run the country,something he can actually get on and do after all the stalling by others.
    I’m sure he’ll give it his best shot, and if he fails, so be it.

    Faced with the first big test of his premiership Boris Johnson ducked for cover
    Boris Johnson has failed to lead from the front on the Iran crisis. The decision may come back to haunt him





    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/faced-first-big-test-premiership-21237085
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