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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    My wife has just received a text to say that the school where she works is to close immediately for nearly 3 weeks due to a coronavirus outbreak. She has been told she must apply for Statutory Sick Pay, and must not come to work (despite being healthy).

    Pupils? 1600-odd. Teachers/support staff/ancillary staff? About 400. So 2000-plus total.

    Total number tested positive? 6. Of which precisely 1 is a pupil. And a school closes.

    Pathetic.

    Is there a rule on this?
    Is there a number of infections, or a percentage, in order to close a school.
    Who decides?
    Maybe just another detail?
    They have had months in which to organise this properly.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,938
    The mayor of Liverpool says pictures of people partying on the street have "shamed" the city.

    Joe Anderson posted on Twitter: "These pictures shame our city, attacking our brave police officers is unacceptable.

    "Our health service is creaking, 300 in hospital and 30 people dead in week. Ignoring these facts is why we are in Tier 3 measures."

    It follows pictures of crowds ignoring social distancing and dancing in Concert Square last night, one of the city's busiest nightlife hotspots, ahead of the city entering Tier 3 restrictions today.

    The "large crowd" had to be dispersed after pubs closed at 10pm last night - two hours before the tough new coronavirus restrictions were imposed at midnight.

    Large crowds flouted social distancing rules by partying in the city centre last night
    In another piece of footage, apparently filmed from a nearby flat, a police car could be seen driving through a crowd while revellers banged their hands on the side of the vehicle.
    Few appeared to be wearing masks or following COVID-19 social distancing measures.

    In a statement, Merseyside Police told Sky News that a large crowd was dispersed quickly and safely - and officers were stood down after all businesses in the area managed to close.

    "While we understand how the new rules which are due to be implemented today are frustrating for some, we would continue to advise everyone to abide by them - including keeping social distancing - for the safety of everyone," Chief Superintendent Peter Costello said.

    According to the Liverpool Echo, a police car was attacked in Concert Square - with a witness claiming, "a large group of young partygoers were defying every social distancing rule imaginable".

    City centre councillor Nick Small wrote on Twitter: "Idiots putting themselves, their friends, families and everyone else at risk, destroying jobs and our hospitality sector while they do it."

    From Wednesday, Liverpool and the neighbouring five boroughs which make up the city region will be under Tier 3 coronavirus measures, which include the closure of bars, pubs which do not serve meals, gyms, betting shops and casinos.

    Residents are also banned from socialising with other households indoors and outdoors, including in private gardens.

    Liverpool recorded 3,164 new COVID-19 cases in the seven days to 10 October - the equivalent of 635.3 cases per 100,000 people. This is compared with 555 in the seven days to 3 October.

    It has the third-highest number of hospital admissions for COVID-19 patients in Europe, and more than 95% of the city's intensive care beds are currently occupied.

    Intensive care doctors working in the city told Sky's Inzamam Rashid that they are "disgusted" by what happened, with one saying: "They don't care that people are dying from this disease, it is heart-breaking to watch."

    Another doctor told Sky News: "We have limited capacity in our [intensive treatment units] across the network, but more worryingly, we have people in the corridors on trolleys waiting for beds.

    "We are running at 100% capacity. Our Emergency Departments are overcrowded. No social distancing possible.

    "I am dreading we are heading towards a disaster. Then you see crowds behaving such a way. I am really devastated and disgusted."

    Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey told Kay Burley that the scenes were "irresponsible and really disappointing".

    "It's gatherings like that which unfortunately don't help in any way to bring down the escalation of the virus."

    Currently, the Liverpool City Region is the only area to fall into the "very high" alert level - but Sky News understands that a "gold command" meeting is going to be held to decide whether nearby Greater Manchester and Lancashire should also fall into this category.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    Not defending the actions of these people.

    But if you announce that restrictions are coming in next Monday, not exactly a surprise that people party the weekend before the new restrictions. Dim announcing something and having a weekend between announcement and application.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    edited October 2020
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    My wife has just received a text to say that the school where she works is to close immediately for nearly 3 weeks due to a coronavirus outbreak. She has been told she must apply for Statutory Sick Pay, and must not come to work (despite being healthy).

    Pupils? 1600-odd. Teachers/support staff/ancillary staff? About 400. So 2000-plus total.

    Total number tested positive? 6. Of which precisely 1 is a pupil. And a school closes.

    Pathetic.

    Is there a rule on this?
    Is there a number of infections, or a percentage, in order to close a school.
    Who decides?
    Maybe just another detail?
    They have had months in which to organise this properly.
    I believe need approval from County Council and Public Health England. Who are refusing to provide any detail on numbers infected, or any relevant guidelines.

    Who have apparently spent a week dithering and then shut the school instantly. So quick in fact, that not only have parents not got time to approach employers, but 5 year groups have no online lessons arranged for today, and have been given the day off.

    So-instead of utilising the considerable resources provided to the school. hundreds of children are gathering in large groups in the streets. With no resources allocated to police them. Because that will be soooo much safer than being at school.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    lucy4 said:

    The mayor of Liverpool says pictures of people partying on the street have "shamed" the city.

    Joe Anderson posted on Twitter: "These pictures shame our city, attacking our brave police officers is unacceptable.

    "Our health service is creaking, 300 in hospital and 30 people dead in week. Ignoring these facts is why we are in Tier 3 measures."

    It follows pictures of crowds ignoring social distancing and dancing in Concert Square last night, one of the city's busiest nightlife hotspots, ahead of the city entering Tier 3 restrictions today.

    The "large crowd" had to be dispersed after pubs closed at 10pm last night - two hours before the tough new coronavirus restrictions were imposed at midnight.

    Large crowds flouted social distancing rules by partying in the city centre last night
    In another piece of footage, apparently filmed from a nearby flat, a police car could be seen driving through a crowd while revellers banged their hands on the side of the vehicle.
    Few appeared to be wearing masks or following COVID-19 social distancing measures.

    In a statement, Merseyside Police told Sky News that a large crowd was dispersed quickly and safely - and officers were stood down after all businesses in the area managed to close.

    "While we understand how the new rules which are due to be implemented today are frustrating for some, we would continue to advise everyone to abide by them - including keeping social distancing - for the safety of everyone," Chief Superintendent Peter Costello said.

    According to the Liverpool Echo, a police car was attacked in Concert Square - with a witness claiming, "a large group of young partygoers were defying every social distancing rule imaginable".

    City centre councillor Nick Small wrote on Twitter: "Idiots putting themselves, their friends, families and everyone else at risk, destroying jobs and our hospitality sector while they do it."

    From Wednesday, Liverpool and the neighbouring five boroughs which make up the city region will be under Tier 3 coronavirus measures, which include the closure of bars, pubs which do not serve meals, gyms, betting shops and casinos.

    Residents are also banned from socialising with other households indoors and outdoors, including in private gardens.

    Liverpool recorded 3,164 new COVID-19 cases in the seven days to 10 October - the equivalent of 635.3 cases per 100,000 people. This is compared with 555 in the seven days to 3 October.

    It has the third-highest number of hospital admissions for COVID-19 patients in Europe, and more than 95% of the city's intensive care beds are currently occupied.

    Intensive care doctors working in the city told Sky's Inzamam Rashid that they are "disgusted" by what happened, with one saying: "They don't care that people are dying from this disease, it is heart-breaking to watch."

    Another doctor told Sky News: "We have limited capacity in our [intensive treatment units] across the network, but more worryingly, we have people in the corridors on trolleys waiting for beds.

    "We are running at 100% capacity. Our Emergency Departments are overcrowded. No social distancing possible.

    "I am dreading we are heading towards a disaster. Then you see crowds behaving such a way. I am really devastated and disgusted."

    Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey told Kay Burley that the scenes were "irresponsible and really disappointing".

    "It's gatherings like that which unfortunately don't help in any way to bring down the escalation of the virus."

    Currently, the Liverpool City Region is the only area to fall into the "very high" alert level - but Sky News understands that a "gold command" meeting is going to be held to decide whether nearby Greater Manchester and Lancashire should also fall into this category.

    This is a continuing problem.
    I dont think that politicians and public figures ignoring restrictions has helped.
    If the government restrictions are ignored, then probably tougher penalties is the most logical answer.
    Fines are unlikely to have any effect on offenders that have no assets, and no savings.
    The courts will just allow them to pay over a million years.
    If you fine a student £10k, it wont get paid in full in my lifetime.
    These events will undoubtedly result in loss of life, so a little fine hardly seems enough.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,938
    HAYSIE said:

    lucy4 said:

    The mayor of Liverpool says pictures of people partying on the street have "shamed" the city.

    Joe Anderson posted on Twitter: "These pictures shame our city, attacking our brave police officers is unacceptable.

    "Our health service is creaking, 300 in hospital and 30 people dead in week. Ignoring these facts is why we are in Tier 3 measures."

    It follows pictures of crowds ignoring social distancing and dancing in Concert Square last night, one of the city's busiest nightlife hotspots, ahead of the city entering Tier 3 restrictions today.

    The "large crowd" had to be dispersed after pubs closed at 10pm last night - two hours before the tough new coronavirus restrictions were imposed at midnight.

    Large crowds flouted social distancing rules by partying in the city centre last night
    In another piece of footage, apparently filmed from a nearby flat, a police car could be seen driving through a crowd while revellers banged their hands on the side of the vehicle.
    Few appeared to be wearing masks or following COVID-19 social distancing measures.

    In a statement, Merseyside Police told Sky News that a large crowd was dispersed quickly and safely - and officers were stood down after all businesses in the area managed to close.

    "While we understand how the new rules which are due to be implemented today are frustrating for some, we would continue to advise everyone to abide by them - including keeping social distancing - for the safety of everyone," Chief Superintendent Peter Costello said.

    According to the Liverpool Echo, a police car was attacked in Concert Square - with a witness claiming, "a large group of young partygoers were defying every social distancing rule imaginable".

    City centre councillor Nick Small wrote on Twitter: "Idiots putting themselves, their friends, families and everyone else at risk, destroying jobs and our hospitality sector while they do it."

    From Wednesday, Liverpool and the neighbouring five boroughs which make up the city region will be under Tier 3 coronavirus measures, which include the closure of bars, pubs which do not serve meals, gyms, betting shops and casinos.

    Residents are also banned from socialising with other households indoors and outdoors, including in private gardens.

    Liverpool recorded 3,164 new COVID-19 cases in the seven days to 10 October - the equivalent of 635.3 cases per 100,000 people. This is compared with 555 in the seven days to 3 October.

    It has the third-highest number of hospital admissions for COVID-19 patients in Europe, and more than 95% of the city's intensive care beds are currently occupied.

    Intensive care doctors working in the city told Sky's Inzamam Rashid that they are "disgusted" by what happened, with one saying: "They don't care that people are dying from this disease, it is heart-breaking to watch."

    Another doctor told Sky News: "We have limited capacity in our [intensive treatment units] across the network, but more worryingly, we have people in the corridors on trolleys waiting for beds.

    "We are running at 100% capacity. Our Emergency Departments are overcrowded. No social distancing possible.

    "I am dreading we are heading towards a disaster. Then you see crowds behaving such a way. I am really devastated and disgusted."

    Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey told Kay Burley that the scenes were "irresponsible and really disappointing".

    "It's gatherings like that which unfortunately don't help in any way to bring down the escalation of the virus."

    Currently, the Liverpool City Region is the only area to fall into the "very high" alert level - but Sky News understands that a "gold command" meeting is going to be held to decide whether nearby Greater Manchester and Lancashire should also fall into this category.

    This is a continuing problem.
    I dont think that politicians and public figures ignoring restrictions has helped.
    If the government restrictions are ignored, then probably tougher penalties is the most logical answer.
    Fines are unlikely to have any effect on offenders that have no assets, and no savings.
    The courts will just allow them to pay over a million years.
    If you fine a student £10k, it wont get paid in full in my lifetime.
    These events will undoubtedly result in loss of life, so a little fine hardly seems enough.
    Time to get tough no more pussyfooting around arrest all of them (use the Army if needed) fine each and every one of them £10,000.Broadcast all over the media that if people continue to flout the rules in this way then this is what will happen to them.The message that they can't continue like this will soon sink in.I think that most of the rule abiding people in this country would back a tough stance like this,I for one certainly would.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    I wish it were that simple. But it is not.

    There are insufficient police to carry out this work. And no overtime available. The Army have no relevant training. It would be terrible.

    As Haysie says, if people haven't got a pot to hiss in, then fines are meaningless. And we certainly don't want to put these disease-carrying morons into a confined place like prison.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,938
    Essexphil said:

    I wish it were that simple. But it is not.

    There are insufficient police to carry out this work. And no overtime available. The Army have no relevant training. It would be terrible.

    As Haysie says, if people haven't got a pot to hiss in, then fines are meaningless. And we certainly don't want to put these disease-carrying morons into a confined place like prison.

    Perhaps these are some of the factors as to why they continue to act like they do,knowing full well that nothing will happen to them.If it was down to me I'd open up temporary prison camps on the moors and put all the offenders in those,no bleeding heart excuses as they knew what they was doing at the time.Once a few hundred are treated like this you'll find a dramatic reduction in similar situations.Time to take a tough stand against those that think it's fine to break the law,they'll soon think twice about doing it again or even the first time.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    I wish it were that simple. But it is not.

    There are insufficient police to carry out this work. And no overtime available. The Army have no relevant training. It would be terrible.

    As Haysie says, if people haven't got a pot to hiss in, then fines are meaningless. And we certainly don't want to put these disease-carrying morons into a confined place like prison.

    Unless you can enforce laws/regulations, and the punishment is not a deterrent, there is no point in having them.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    lucy4 said:

    Essexphil said:

    I wish it were that simple. But it is not.

    There are insufficient police to carry out this work. And no overtime available. The Army have no relevant training. It would be terrible.

    As Haysie says, if people haven't got a pot to hiss in, then fines are meaningless. And we certainly don't want to put these disease-carrying morons into a confined place like prison.

    Perhaps these are some of the factors as to why they continue to act like they do,knowing full well that nothing will happen to them.If it was down to me I'd open up temporary prison camps on the moors and put all the offenders in those,no bleeding heart excuses as they knew what they was doing at the time.Once a few hundred are treated like this you'll find a dramatic reduction in similar situations.Time to take a tough stand against those that think it's fine to break the law,they'll soon think twice about doing it again or even the first time.
    I could see locking them up for a month or two as being a deterrent.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Another soundbite.
    We are stopping those wishing to travel from high risk areas in England, into Wales.
    I just listened to the Police and Crime Commissioner for North Wales being interviewed on Sky News.
    He made a complete idiot of himself trying to explain to Kay Burley how this would work in practice, and how it would be policed.
    There are no restrictions on those caring for a vulnerable person, or key workers.
    He pointed out that there wont be any roadblocks, or police officers stationed on the border.
    Just another soundbite, and no substance.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    lucy4 said:

    The mayor of Liverpool says pictures of people partying on the street have "shamed" the city.

    Joe Anderson posted on Twitter: "These pictures shame our city, attacking our brave police officers is unacceptable.

    "Our health service is creaking, 300 in hospital and 30 people dead in week. Ignoring these facts is why we are in Tier 3 measures."

    It follows pictures of crowds ignoring social distancing and dancing in Concert Square last night, one of the city's busiest nightlife hotspots, ahead of the city entering Tier 3 restrictions today.

    The "large crowd" had to be dispersed after pubs closed at 10pm last night - two hours before the tough new coronavirus restrictions were imposed at midnight.

    Large crowds flouted social distancing rules by partying in the city centre last night
    In another piece of footage, apparently filmed from a nearby flat, a police car could be seen driving through a crowd while revellers banged their hands on the side of the vehicle.
    Few appeared to be wearing masks or following COVID-19 social distancing measures.

    In a statement, Merseyside Police told Sky News that a large crowd was dispersed quickly and safely - and officers were stood down after all businesses in the area managed to close.

    "While we understand how the new rules which are due to be implemented today are frustrating for some, we would continue to advise everyone to abide by them - including keeping social distancing - for the safety of everyone," Chief Superintendent Peter Costello said.

    According to the Liverpool Echo, a police car was attacked in Concert Square - with a witness claiming, "a large group of young partygoers were defying every social distancing rule imaginable".

    City centre councillor Nick Small wrote on Twitter: "Idiots putting themselves, their friends, families and everyone else at risk, destroying jobs and our hospitality sector while they do it."

    From Wednesday, Liverpool and the neighbouring five boroughs which make up the city region will be under Tier 3 coronavirus measures, which include the closure of bars, pubs which do not serve meals, gyms, betting shops and casinos.

    Residents are also banned from socialising with other households indoors and outdoors, including in private gardens.

    Liverpool recorded 3,164 new COVID-19 cases in the seven days to 10 October - the equivalent of 635.3 cases per 100,000 people. This is compared with 555 in the seven days to 3 October.

    It has the third-highest number of hospital admissions for COVID-19 patients in Europe, and more than 95% of the city's intensive care beds are currently occupied.

    Intensive care doctors working in the city told Sky's Inzamam Rashid that they are "disgusted" by what happened, with one saying: "They don't care that people are dying from this disease, it is heart-breaking to watch."

    Another doctor told Sky News: "We have limited capacity in our [intensive treatment units] across the network, but more worryingly, we have people in the corridors on trolleys waiting for beds.

    "We are running at 100% capacity. Our Emergency Departments are overcrowded. No social distancing possible.

    "I am dreading we are heading towards a disaster. Then you see crowds behaving such a way. I am really devastated and disgusted."

    Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey told Kay Burley that the scenes were "irresponsible and really disappointing".

    "It's gatherings like that which unfortunately don't help in any way to bring down the escalation of the virus."

    Currently, the Liverpool City Region is the only area to fall into the "very high" alert level - but Sky News understands that a "gold command" meeting is going to be held to decide whether nearby Greater Manchester and Lancashire should also fall into this category.


    Fury of the city under scouse arrest: Armed police fining gym owners £1,000 and pubs turning into restaurants overnight to avoid ruin. ROBERT HARDMAN on the absurdities of life in Liverpool, Britain's first Tier 3 zone




    ROBERT HARDMAN: Whatever the merits of a Tier Three lockdown - and it is very hard to find a single fan here on Merseyside - one thing is beyond doubt: it is bad news for the waistline. For you can still get a pint of beer or a glass of wine or any other drink in Liverpool, just as long as you order a huge plate of food to go with it (right). Yesterday, Wirral gym owner Nick Whitcombe received a visit from two vanloads of armed police after he refused to close his premises - and was handed a £1,000 fine, plus a warning of a steeper penalty if he does it again (which, he assures me, he will). Yet, hours earlier, the police had been strangely reluctant to leave their vans when hundreds of tanked-up Liverpudlians (left and inset) had decided to usher in the new restrictions with a street party.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • RinkhalsRinkhals Member Posts: 212
    I know some on here have called for those that flout the curfews / lockdowns in the various regions to be sent to prison but can you imagine just how quick all those "where there's blame" civil rights lawyers would be banging on the cell doors offering their services?

    As for the army on the streets, well in theory it sounds like a good idea but in practice, not so much. It might have more of a pyschological impact in the short term though. Bit different shouting at a copper with a baton and a plastic shield than a squad of soldiers with semi automatics.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Rinkhals said:

    I know some on here have called for those that flout the curfews / lockdowns in the various regions to be sent to prison but can you imagine just how quick all those "where there's blame" civil rights lawyers would be banging on the cell doors offering their services?

    As for the army on the streets, well in theory it sounds like a good idea but in practice, not so much. It might have more of a pyschological impact in the short term though. Bit different shouting at a copper with a baton and a plastic shield than a squad of soldiers with semi automatics.

    I think that if an example was set by locking a few up, it would stop.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Rinkhals said:

    I know some on here have called for those that flout the curfews / lockdowns in the various regions to be sent to prison but can you imagine just how quick all those "where there's blame" civil rights lawyers would be banging on the cell doors offering their services?

    As for the army on the streets, well in theory it sounds like a good idea but in practice, not so much. It might have more of a pyschological impact in the short term though. Bit different shouting at a copper with a baton and a plastic shield than a squad of soldiers with semi automatics.

    I think that if an example was set by locking a few up, it would stop.



    Al Capone > Quote
    “You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.”
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Hospitality firm is fined £1,000 for not displaying NHS Covid QR code allowing people to check in on Test and Trace app



    Two further Health and Safety Notices have been served by Cllr Mark Hawthorne's Gloucestershire County Council for businesses not having adequate 'Covid-secure' measures in place


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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