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How do you feel about a virus vaccination?

CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
I am quite uneasy given the bits and pieces I have looked into.

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  • KerrnalKerrnal Member Posts: 132
    edited May 2020
    Bit of a pr ick
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    I’d decline a vaccination.
    By the time a vaccination is found, if ever, there will be plenty more information available on this virus. From the off, as it was a new virus, the treatment some were receiving in hospital was incorrect, not the fault of the Health services though.
    With more data coming in, there is every reason to believe the virus can be treated with a far better outcome in most cases. Although, if a patient has a chronic case, generally meaning the virus has multiplied,and a patient needs a ventilator, the outlook is quite grim,and will always likely to be. But who knows, they might find something to kill the virus, even the chronic cases.
    There is likely to be research done on this virus for years to come, regardless whether a vaccine is found or not.

    What will need injections are the economies of the world.
    So mass unemployment is a certainty for the foreseeable, imo.
    But that’s another topic, global chains out of kilter, trade tensions etc.

    There’s a gathering this week involving the WHO member states.
    That’s guaranteed to be lively,with not much talk about finding a vaccination I’d expect.

    My own view on the virus is that it was here long before we were watching for cases to pop up in the U.K. I reckon it was here at the end of 2019, and when it was getting covered by the media, mainly due to what was being shown from China, we started looking out for it.
    It’s so similar to a bad case of pneumonia. My money would be on thousands of infected here early January.
    A vaccine will never be compulsory in a democratic country.

  • AB0151AB0151 Member Posts: 275
    how old are you? do you have any medical issues prior to Covid?
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,013
    edited May 2020
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/italian-politician-demands-bill-gates-arrest-crimes-against-humanity?fbclid=IwAR1mnSf_II-69UJPbM9fenQrYB43fY4J38XpHLgKNE6LpT7HPKLbMwqpWJg
    With his vaccines, Gates managed to sterilize millions of women in Africa. Gates caused a polio epidemic that paralyzed 500,000 children in India and still today with DTP, Gates causes more deaths than the disease itself. And he does the same with GMOs designed by Monsanto and “generously donated” to needy populations. All this while he is already thinking about distributing the quantum tattoo for vaccination recognition and mRNA vaccines as tools for reprogramming our immune system.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-un-tetanus-vaccine/5431664

    Get chipped with the vaccine:
    https://id2020.org/
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    Some (in the true sense of the word) incredible conspiracy theories out there regarding vaccines.

    Here is one debunked not that conspiracy believers would accept it.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-id2020/


  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 863
    "Collective Evolution", the known 9/11 conspiracy theorists and for-profit clickbait website and a 5 year old article with 2 comments on the Daily Mail. Colour me an anti-vaxxer
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited May 2020
    Another reliable source?

    "Overall, we rate Collective-Evolution a quackery level pseudoscience website based on promoting miracle cures, anti-vaxx propaganda and 9/11 conspiracies."

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/collective-evolution/

    I read the DM article, seems the main issue is around informed consent (or lack of it) and it is at the start of a court process so let's wait for the outcome.

    EDIT: Didn't check the date so thanks for pointing that out Allan. I assume that if the court case had gone against the pharma co's then there would be many more and later reports?
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,269
    Do we think there will be a successful (for the population rather than for the pharma co that sells it) Covid 19 vaccine? There isn't one for SARS and MERS which have been around for years.

    The 'successful' flu vaccine is stated as being 40-60% effective.

    What other things will they be putting into the vaccine?

    I am also uneasy.
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    Starting to look into myself and for my family, to advise.

    Seems to be two sides here which is good for debate. Finding out more will be this weeks project.
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    VespaPX said:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/italian-politician-demands-bill-gates-arrest-crimes-against-humanity?fbclid=IwAR1mnSf_II-69UJPbM9fenQrYB43fY4J38XpHLgKNE6LpT7HPKLbMwqpWJg
    With his vaccines, Gates managed to sterilize millions of women in Africa. Gates caused a polio epidemic that paralyzed 500,000 children in India and still today with DTP, Gates causes more deaths than the disease itself. And he does the same with GMOs designed by Monsanto and “generously donated” to needy populations. All this while he is already thinking about distributing the quantum tattoo for vaccination recognition and mRNA vaccines as tools for reprogramming our immune system.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-un-tetanus-vaccine/5431664

    Get chipped with the vaccine:
    https://id2020.org/

    Have heard and read bits on this. I would be more to this side.

    Always someone making money in a crisis like this. Follow the money :)
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    AB0151 said:

    how old are you? do you have any medical issues prior to Covid?

    Myself? Mid Thirties and no.
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    Allan23 said:



    Take a step back, not everything is a global conspiracy to keep you down.

    Very true, hope the vaccine is for the right reasons and not solely a profit/control driven exercise.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 158,807
    Cammykaze said:

    Allan23 said:



    Take a step back, not everything is a global conspiracy to keep you down.

    Very true, hope the vaccine is for the right reasons and not solely a profit/control driven exercise.
    Profit is a huge motivator.

    If the drug companies think they can make good money from a COVID vaccine, they are FAR more likely to come up with the answer. That's their sole incentive, & that is how the free economy works.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774








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    Too much scrolling.
    Delete.

    Stay alert.
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    Phantom66 said:

    Another reliable source?

    "Overall, we rate Collective-Evolution a quackery level pseudoscience website based on promoting miracle cures, anti-vaxx propaganda and 9/11 conspiracies."

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/collective-evolution/

    I read the DM article, seems the main issue is around informed consent (or lack of it) and it is at the start of a court process so let's wait for the outcome.

    EDIT: Didn't check the date so thanks for pointing that out Allan. I assume that if the court case had gone against the pharma co's then there would be many more and later reports?

    I really struggle to trust much from "the papers".
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    Allan23 said:

    "Collective Evolution", the known 9/11 conspiracy theorists and for-profit clickbait website and a 5 year old article with 2 comments on the Daily Mail. Colour me an anti-vaxxer

    Always had an issue with the terms conspiracy theory/theorist et all. It has a habit of turning people off and shutting down any healthy debate.
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    edited May 2020
    Phantom66 said:

    Some (in the true sense of the word) incredible conspiracy theories out there regarding vaccines.

    Here is one debunked not that conspiracy believers would accept it.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-id2020/


    Who runs/owns/edits and how are things funded on snopes?

    Could be a good starting point.

    The only facts these days, in these times, are that there are no "facts" :open_mouth:
  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 863
    Cammykaze said:

    Allan23 said:

    "Collective Evolution", the known 9/11 conspiracy theorists and for-profit clickbait website and a 5 year old article with 2 comments on the Daily Mail. Colour me an anti-vaxxer

    Always had an issue with the terms conspiracy theory/theorist et all. It has a habit of turning people off and shutting down any healthy debate.
    Calling out extremely wacky and inaccurate claims as conspiracy theories is vital to ensuring a debate stays healthy
    Cammykaze said:

    Phantom66 said:

    Some (in the true sense of the word) incredible conspiracy theories out there regarding vaccines.

    Here is one debunked not that conspiracy believers would accept it.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-id2020/


    Who runs/owns/edits and how are things funded on snopes?

    Could be a good starting point.

    The only facts these days, in these times, are that there are no "facts" :open_mouth:
    There are no facts, apart from the facts that are facts
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