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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    Brexit prompts JD Sports to open Dublin warehouse



    Retailer JD Sports is to open a 65,000 sq ft warehouse near Dublin to tackle post-Brexit trading problems.

    Goods which JD imports from East Asia to GB now incur tariffs when they are distributed onward to its stores across Europe.

    To deal with this JD has already opened a warehouse in Belgium but says it needs a specific facility for Ireland.

    The company says the Irish facility will become operational in the second half of this year.

    It is also considering a bigger facility elsewhere in the EU from which it would process all EU online orders.

    Brexit worse than feared, says JD Sports boss
    In a trading update the firm said: "We continue to review opportunities for a larger permanent facility in Europe which can process substantially all of the volume required for stores and online orders in mainland Europe although it will likely be Autumn 2022 before an enlarged facility would be available for use."

    In February the chairman of JD told the BBC that Brexit had turned out to be "considerably worse" than he feared.

    Peter Cowgill said there was no true free trade with the EU, because goods that JD Sports imports from East Asia incur tariffs when they go to its stores across Europe.

    "I actually think it was not properly thought out," he said.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56731570
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    Essexphil said:

    I distinctly recall Haysie saying that he has a balanced view, and would print anything that showed Brexit in a positive light.

    I saw lots of articles pointing to the January trade figures, and how this proves he was right.

    The February trade figures were released and in all the papers yesterday. They show much better trade figures, and appear to show that importers to the UK are struggling more than UK exporters.

    I don't believe the Feb trade figures prove anything other than things will not be as bad as the Jan figures. All sorts of problems may lie ahead. Just not the Project Fear variety.

    But I would have hoped that Haysie might have felt that the Feb trade figures were relevant. Particularly when so much was made of the Jan figures. And particularly for balance.

    Denmark is the first country to scrap use of the AstraZeneca vaccine



    Pfizer-BioNTech plans to provide the EU with an extra 50 million dozes in the 2nd quarter of this year, on top of 200 million doses already earmarked for the bloc.

    In a sign of confidence in a company that has been a mainstay of Europe's vaccination drive so far, von der Leyen said the EU will start negotiating to buy 1.8billion doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine through 2023.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/denmark-is-the-first-country-to-scrap-use-of-the-astrazeneca-vaccine/ar-BB1fDUdL?ocid=msedgntp


    Sweden joins Germany, France, and 15 other countries in suspending AstraZeneca's vaccine over possible side effects



    https://www.businessinsider.com/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-countries-suspend-denmark-thailand-batch-blood-clots-2021-3?r=US&IR=T

  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 7,958
    edited April 2021
    So-another 2 articles.

    Let's forget the 2nd. It is a month out of date. It involved lots of countries pausing, and quickly restarting use of AZ. No current relevance.

    So-the Danish 1. The basis upon which they have decided to stop is clear. 1 Danish person has died, and another injured, by what may be partly or wholly due to the AZ vaccine.

    1 million Danes have received their first jabs. 4.8 million (including children) have not. Of that 1 million, just over 150,000 have received the AZ vaccine. They have 2.4 million doses of AZ unused. I do not understand why nearly 95% of available vaccine has not been used.

    Denmark claims the delay caused by not using AZ will be about 28 days-other sources say it will be longer, but let's run with that 28 days.

    Current daily new Covid sufferers in Denmark? 657. Daily deaths? 2. Assuming things remain the same for the next 28 days, and you ignore knock-on effects of R etc, that means:-

    Additional Covid sufferers in 28 day period:-over 15,000. Deaths 56.

    Causation:-delay while Denmark wonders whether acting with an abundance of caution may save 1 or even 3 lives. While 56 die as they sit on their hands.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    More straw clutching.


    James Dyson says Brexit has given him 'freedom'




    Brexit has given the UK back its independence and boosted innovation, inventor Sir James Dyson has said.

    "We've got our freedom, we can make trade agreements with other countries outside Europe [and] we can employ people from all around the world," Sir James told the BBC.

    The latest statistics for February show UK exports to the EU remain below the same level last year.

    He also defended moving Dyson's global headquarters to Singapore in 2019.








    Analysis box by Andrew Walker, Economics correspondent
    It is certainly true that Brexit, and specifically leaving the Customs Union, gives Britain freedom to do new trade deals without having to work through the EU's external trade policy.

    So far, that freedom has been devoted to maintaining the level of access to certain overseas markets that British business already had by virtue of EU trade agreements.

    Others are now possible and for some the US would be the big prize. But it won't be easy - food standards for example are a contentious issue - nand most economic analysis suggests the benefits will be very modest.

    On hiring foreign nationals, Sir James could have employed non-EU people before. There were hoops to go through and even with the new immigration system there still are. The terms of Brexit make it more difficult for EU nationals than it was while the UK was a member.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56741000
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    Brexit: Over 440 finance firms move jobs out of UK and £900bn flees to EU



    Banks and insurers have moved almost £1tn ($1.4tn) out of Britain and shifted thousands of jobs to Europe due to Brexit, according to a "sobering" new report on the impact of leaving the EU on Britain's financial services sector.

    More than 440 financial services firms have shifted jobs to the EU as a result of Brexit, according to a new report from think tank New Financial, and firms have moved £900bn to the EU. The think tank said more jobs and assets were likely to leave Britain in the coming months and years.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/brexit-city-of-london-finance-jobs-eu-uk-new-financial-report-april-2021-082815984.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    I have heard no criticism of India from The Government, and amazingly India also escapes inclusion on the red list for travel.
    This is despite having 3 times the number of infections of Pakistan which is included?
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 7,958
    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    You just love to lap up anyone who wants to twist facts to bash the UK, don't you? Let us look at some of those "facts"

    "Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer."

    Note the way "fully vaccinated" morphs into "vaccinated" in the same sentence. And that 70% is less than 100%-the UK target. And "end of Summer" is later than the UK's End of July. So-still going to be a long way behind, then.

    "However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month."

    This conveniently ignores the facts that (1) we are a million miles ahead on first doses; and (2) That more than 600,000 doses were administered in the UK yesterday. 500,000 were 2nd doses. So-that is 600,000 jabs per day. Still more than France. Or Italy. The opposite of that claimed in the article.

    It is good that the EU is trying to catch up. But please don't believe the twaddle you print.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 7,958
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    I have heard no criticism of India from The Government, and amazingly India also escapes inclusion on the red list for travel.
    This is despite having 3 times the number of infections of Pakistan which is included?
    You keep mentioning this. As if it is relevant.

    It is clear that the UK and India came to some sort of deal about the vaccines. Without crying, wailing, and finger-pointing. you know, like mature countries do.

    Not like the EU, then.

    Why is India not on the Red list? No idea. Though the fact that Boris intends to travel to India soon might be a factor.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    I have heard no criticism of India from The Government, and amazingly India also escapes inclusion on the red list for travel.
    This is despite having 3 times the number of infections of Pakistan which is included?
    You keep mentioning this. As if it is relevant.

    It is clear that the UK and India came to some sort of deal about the vaccines. Without crying, wailing, and finger-pointing. you know, like mature countries do.

    Not like the EU, then.

    Why is India not on the Red list? No idea. Though the fact that Boris intends to travel to India soon might be a factor.
    My point was clearly that if the EU decides to even mention vaccines they get slaughtered.
    India decides to hang on to vaccines contracted to the UK, and it is not mentioned.
    There is an Indian strain, which is fuelling the huge surge in cases in India.
    This strain has been detected in the UK.
    Yet India is not included on the red list despite the fact that countries with much lower rates of infection are.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    You just love to lap up anyone who wants to twist facts to bash the UK, don't you? Let us look at some of those "facts"

    "Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer."

    Note the way "fully vaccinated" morphs into "vaccinated" in the same sentence. And that 70% is less than 100%-the UK target. And "end of Summer" is later than the UK's End of July. So-still going to be a long way behind, then.

    "However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month."

    This conveniently ignores the facts that (1) we are a million miles ahead on first doses; and (2) That more than 600,000 doses were administered in the UK yesterday. 500,000 were 2nd doses. So-that is 600,000 jabs per day. Still more than France. Or Italy. The opposite of that claimed in the article.

    It is good that the EU is trying to catch up. But please don't believe the twaddle you print.
    I dont lap up UK bashers.
    I dont even agree with every article I post.
    I often post articles that I think may encourage debate.
    You on the other hand are definitely an EU basher.
    You have done your best to make up Brexit benefits.
    Although this is a very difficult task.

    When posting this article I thought I was merely appreciating the fact that the EU are catching up after a disappointing start.
    I thought this was positive news, as there were unlikely to be many European holidays until they did.
  • HANSONHANSON Member Posts: 896
    The effects of Brexit , I'm still breathing is a good one . I'm still going shopping at Tesco getting everything i want , except for packets of Schwartz gravy mixes , there really nice , Beef , Lamb , Chicken , Pork , a real shame as the Bisto packets are really awful ,

    Had a result in Morrison as they had the Beef one and the Pork one so stocked up on those and buy 4 for £2 offer as well Happy Days .. its a shame i cannot get the chicken one or lamb so for that reason i demand that the UK re-joins the EU as leaving has effected my choice and I'm not happy about it..

    Trying to think of anything else NOPE just the gravy ....

    have a nice day now
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 7,958
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    You just love to lap up anyone who wants to twist facts to bash the UK, don't you? Let us look at some of those "facts"

    "Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer."

    Note the way "fully vaccinated" morphs into "vaccinated" in the same sentence. And that 70% is less than 100%-the UK target. And "end of Summer" is later than the UK's End of July. So-still going to be a long way behind, then.

    "However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month."

    This conveniently ignores the facts that (1) we are a million miles ahead on first doses; and (2) That more than 600,000 doses were administered in the UK yesterday. 500,000 were 2nd doses. So-that is 600,000 jabs per day. Still more than France. Or Italy. The opposite of that claimed in the article.

    It is good that the EU is trying to catch up. But please don't believe the twaddle you print.
    I dont lap up UK bashers.
    I dont even agree with every article I post.
    I often post articles that I think may encourage debate.
    You on the other hand are definitely an EU basher.
    You have done your best to make up Brexit benefits.
    Although this is a very difficult task.

    When posting this article I thought I was merely appreciating the fact that the EU are catching up after a disappointing start.
    I thought this was positive news, as there were unlikely to be many European holidays until they did.
    If you don't lap up UK bashers, why are they the only ones you put on the thread?

    "EU basher"? I love Europe. I think the EEC was a marvellous idea. Thought the CAP was a bit daft, but a price worth paying. The EC? Not so much-seemed to be shifting away from the Economic Community that was its strength.

    The EU? It is the "Union" bit I have problems with. I know that the current President has openly stated that she wants the EU to be like the States of Germany, or failing that Switzerland or the USA. Guess what? I don't.

    The Union was tasked by 27 of the then-28 Members to secure what may well be the most important single consignment of goods for 70 years-the vaccine. And, by any yardstick, they failed. Failed in a way that the 28th, the UK, did not. Failed in a way the US did not. Failed in a way that Germany, or France would not. You see lots of excuses. I see failure.

    Very difficult task? Right now you seem to be concentrating on the effects on the UK live shellfish exports. Whereas I am merely pointing to tens of millions of people unvaccinated, together with the mahoosive health and economic consequences.

    I'm really struggling.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, the Members of the EU would be a whole lot better off if they relied more on themselves, and less on the EU.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    You just love to lap up anyone who wants to twist facts to bash the UK, don't you? Let us look at some of those "facts"

    "Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer."

    Note the way "fully vaccinated" morphs into "vaccinated" in the same sentence. And that 70% is less than 100%-the UK target. And "end of Summer" is later than the UK's End of July. So-still going to be a long way behind, then.

    "However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month."

    This conveniently ignores the facts that (1) we are a million miles ahead on first doses; and (2) That more than 600,000 doses were administered in the UK yesterday. 500,000 were 2nd doses. So-that is 600,000 jabs per day. Still more than France. Or Italy. The opposite of that claimed in the article.

    It is good that the EU is trying to catch up. But please don't believe the twaddle you print.
    I dont lap up UK bashers.
    I dont even agree with every article I post.
    I often post articles that I think may encourage debate.
    You on the other hand are definitely an EU basher.
    You have done your best to make up Brexit benefits.
    Although this is a very difficult task.

    When posting this article I thought I was merely appreciating the fact that the EU are catching up after a disappointing start.
    I thought this was positive news, as there were unlikely to be many European holidays until they did.
    If you don't lap up UK bashers, why are they the only ones you put on the thread?

    "EU basher"? I love Europe. I think the EEC was a marvellous idea. Thought the CAP was a bit daft, but a price worth paying. The EC? Not so much-seemed to be shifting away from the Economic Community that was its strength.

    The EU? It is the "Union" bit I have problems with. I know that the current President has openly stated that she wants the EU to be like the States of Germany, or failing that Switzerland or the USA. Guess what? I don't.

    The Union was tasked by 27 of the then-28 Members to secure what may well be the most important single consignment of goods for 70 years-the vaccine. And, by any yardstick, they failed. Failed in a way that the 28th, the UK, did not. Failed in a way the US did not. Failed in a way that Germany, or France would not. You see lots of excuses. I see failure.

    Very difficult task? Right now you seem to be concentrating on the effects on the UK live shellfish exports. Whereas I am merely pointing to tens of millions of people unvaccinated, together with the mahoosive health and economic consequences.

    I'm really struggling.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, the Members of the EU would be a whole lot better off if they relied more on themselves, and less on the EU.
    I would agree.
    I am not getting into another vaccine war.
    I have had enough of that.
    There are things that countries may be better off doing individually rather than as a group.
    The trade aspect served us well for almost 50 years.
    I wish people in this country had seen some of the freedoms offered, as their freedoms, rather than just other peoples freedoms.
    I am struggling to find post Brexit good news.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 7,958
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    You just love to lap up anyone who wants to twist facts to bash the UK, don't you? Let us look at some of those "facts"

    "Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer."

    Note the way "fully vaccinated" morphs into "vaccinated" in the same sentence. And that 70% is less than 100%-the UK target. And "end of Summer" is later than the UK's End of July. So-still going to be a long way behind, then.

    "However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month."

    This conveniently ignores the facts that (1) we are a million miles ahead on first doses; and (2) That more than 600,000 doses were administered in the UK yesterday. 500,000 were 2nd doses. So-that is 600,000 jabs per day. Still more than France. Or Italy. The opposite of that claimed in the article.

    It is good that the EU is trying to catch up. But please don't believe the twaddle you print.
    I dont lap up UK bashers.
    I dont even agree with every article I post.
    I often post articles that I think may encourage debate.
    You on the other hand are definitely an EU basher.
    You have done your best to make up Brexit benefits.
    Although this is a very difficult task.

    When posting this article I thought I was merely appreciating the fact that the EU are catching up after a disappointing start.
    I thought this was positive news, as there were unlikely to be many European holidays until they did.
    If you don't lap up UK bashers, why are they the only ones you put on the thread?

    "EU basher"? I love Europe. I think the EEC was a marvellous idea. Thought the CAP was a bit daft, but a price worth paying. The EC? Not so much-seemed to be shifting away from the Economic Community that was its strength.

    The EU? It is the "Union" bit I have problems with. I know that the current President has openly stated that she wants the EU to be like the States of Germany, or failing that Switzerland or the USA. Guess what? I don't.

    The Union was tasked by 27 of the then-28 Members to secure what may well be the most important single consignment of goods for 70 years-the vaccine. And, by any yardstick, they failed. Failed in a way that the 28th, the UK, did not. Failed in a way the US did not. Failed in a way that Germany, or France would not. You see lots of excuses. I see failure.

    Very difficult task? Right now you seem to be concentrating on the effects on the UK live shellfish exports. Whereas I am merely pointing to tens of millions of people unvaccinated, together with the mahoosive health and economic consequences.

    I'm really struggling.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, the Members of the EU would be a whole lot better off if they relied more on themselves, and less on the EU.
    I would agree.
    I am not getting into another vaccine war.
    I have had enough of that.
    There are things that countries may be better off doing individually rather than as a group.
    The trade aspect served us well for almost 50 years.
    I wish people in this country had seen some of the freedoms offered, as their freedoms, rather than just other peoples freedoms.
    I am struggling to find post Brexit good news.
    I agree with every sentence apart from the last 1. None so blind as those who will not see :)

    Turning particularly to trade going forward, I think the media's focus so far has been wrong.

    It was always going to be the case that, for British Companies exporting to the EU, things were going to be a little more difficult. Just like if you concentrate on UK sales, there is a slight advantage to Brexit. Particularly if your rivals are EU-based (like, for example 'Spoons). That much was inevitable, given the vote in 2016 and the last General Election result.

    The main issue for me is where there is a EU-based Regulator that may seek to force home an advantage. Like Financial Services, for example.

    I get that this Government will refuse to be in the EEA. But there are some industries where we need to be able to demonstrate equivalence.

  • HANSONHANSON Member Posts: 896
    Brexit will effect every one in different ways and everyone will have a different opinion about it but one thing for sure is everyone will only be concerned how it will effect them on a personal level .

    What has Brexit done to effect you on a personal level ?

    You can say it will have a effect on the future generations , myself I'm like I want a life now i have worked hard for it so why should i on a personal level not enjoy it rather than because of Brexit hoard my earnings for my children to enjoy .

    I'm 56 yrs old and now want to enjoy life that i worked for , while I'm able to enjoy it not when I'm to old to do anything , i live a simple life

    Brexit has not effected me so far i have not holidayed in Europe for 10 yrs as i can spend 2 weeks twice a year elsewhere just as cheap ..

    Who cares enjoy the here and now , there is no debating as what you and i or anyone thinks makes no difference to any outcome.

    As a individual on sky poker get over it you cannot change what has happened ..

    this is the very last time i will ever post on this forum as i have better things to be doing ...IE enjoying what time i have left on this Earth
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    You just love to lap up anyone who wants to twist facts to bash the UK, don't you? Let us look at some of those "facts"

    "Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer."

    Note the way "fully vaccinated" morphs into "vaccinated" in the same sentence. And that 70% is less than 100%-the UK target. And "end of Summer" is later than the UK's End of July. So-still going to be a long way behind, then.

    "However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month."

    This conveniently ignores the facts that (1) we are a million miles ahead on first doses; and (2) That more than 600,000 doses were administered in the UK yesterday. 500,000 were 2nd doses. So-that is 600,000 jabs per day. Still more than France. Or Italy. The opposite of that claimed in the article.

    It is good that the EU is trying to catch up. But please don't believe the twaddle you print.
    I dont lap up UK bashers.
    I dont even agree with every article I post.
    I often post articles that I think may encourage debate.
    You on the other hand are definitely an EU basher.
    You have done your best to make up Brexit benefits.
    Although this is a very difficult task.

    When posting this article I thought I was merely appreciating the fact that the EU are catching up after a disappointing start.
    I thought this was positive news, as there were unlikely to be many European holidays until they did.
    If you don't lap up UK bashers, why are they the only ones you put on the thread?

    "EU basher"? I love Europe. I think the EEC was a marvellous idea. Thought the CAP was a bit daft, but a price worth paying. The EC? Not so much-seemed to be shifting away from the Economic Community that was its strength.

    The EU? It is the "Union" bit I have problems with. I know that the current President has openly stated that she wants the EU to be like the States of Germany, or failing that Switzerland or the USA. Guess what? I don't.

    The Union was tasked by 27 of the then-28 Members to secure what may well be the most important single consignment of goods for 70 years-the vaccine. And, by any yardstick, they failed. Failed in a way that the 28th, the UK, did not. Failed in a way the US did not. Failed in a way that Germany, or France would not. You see lots of excuses. I see failure.

    Very difficult task? Right now you seem to be concentrating on the effects on the UK live shellfish exports. Whereas I am merely pointing to tens of millions of people unvaccinated, together with the mahoosive health and economic consequences.

    I'm really struggling.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, the Members of the EU would be a whole lot better off if they relied more on themselves, and less on the EU.
    I would agree.
    I am not getting into another vaccine war.
    I have had enough of that.
    There are things that countries may be better off doing individually rather than as a group.
    The trade aspect served us well for almost 50 years.
    I wish people in this country had seen some of the freedoms offered, as their freedoms, rather than just other peoples freedoms.
    I am struggling to find post Brexit good news.
    I agree with every sentence apart from the last 1. None so blind as those who will not see :)

    Turning particularly to trade going forward, I think the media's focus so far has been wrong.

    It was always going to be the case that, for British Companies exporting to the EU, things were going to be a little more difficult. Just like if you concentrate on UK sales, there is a slight advantage to Brexit. Particularly if your rivals are EU-based (like, for example 'Spoons). That much was inevitable, given the vote in 2016 and the last General Election result.

    The main issue for me is where there is a EU-based Regulator that may seek to force home an advantage. Like Financial Services, for example.

    I get that this Government will refuse to be in the EEA. But there are some industries where we need to be able to demonstrate equivalence.

    I think that some things are already clear.
    Others arent.
    We wont see the full impact for some time.
    GDP will take a hit.
    Governments arent usually imaginative when it comes to plugging holes.
    This will usually involve an increase in tax, or additional taxes.
    This will be in addition to the recovery of the covid costs so far, as well as the ongoing covid costs.

    I am quite fortunate.
    I have been retired for 6 years.
    I have access to taxable funds in my pension fund, as well as tax free savings.
    My state pension starts next year.
    I will use the taxable funds to draw up to my personal allowance limit, and tax free savings to make up the balance of the income I require.
    I therefore have no plans to pay any income tax at any point in the future.
    I dont have to find a job, and expect to be amongst the least affected by the financial implications of covid or Brexit.

    We are likely to see more difficulties when the grace periods finally end.
    Consumers on both sides will be discouraged by extra costs.
    Importers, and exporters may change their business models through extra costs and difficulties.
    I dont think you can ignore the fact that manufacturers that would have set up in the UK in the future, may now choose to set up in the EU.
    Nor that many manufacturers may choose to relocate.
    There are still question marks over financial services.
    The lack of EU workers has definitely caused problems in some areas.
    It would appear that many Brits would prefer to draw benefits than pick fruit, or perform many menial jobs.
    The problems in NI are unlikely to solve themselves.
    My Sisters lifelong dreams of retiring to Spain look dashed.

    I am not sure how long it will take to see the implications in full, but the fact that Boris is at present ignoring many of the regulations that he agreed to, does not bode well.
    However there is no going back, we are stuck with it.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    HANSON said:

    Brexit will effect every one in different ways and everyone will have a different opinion about it but one thing for sure is everyone will only be concerned how it will effect them on a personal level .

    What has Brexit done to effect you on a personal level ?

    You can say it will have a effect on the future generations , myself I'm like I want a life now i have worked hard for it so why should i on a personal level not enjoy it rather than because of Brexit hoard my earnings for my children to enjoy .

    I'm 56 yrs old and now want to enjoy life that i worked for , while I'm able to enjoy it not when I'm to old to do anything , i live a simple life

    Brexit has not effected me so far i have not holidayed in Europe for 10 yrs as i can spend 2 weeks twice a year elsewhere just as cheap ..

    Who cares enjoy the here and now , there is no debating as what you and i or anyone thinks makes no difference to any outcome.

    As a individual on sky poker get over it you cannot change what has happened ..

    this is the very last time i will ever post on this forum as i have better things to be doing ...IE enjoying what time i have left on this Earth

    Your opinions on sauces will be sadly missed.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 31,518
    edited April 2021
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Slow-starting Europe vaccination drive could catch up with Britain



    The European coronavirus vaccination drive could catch up with Britain 'in the coming weeks' despite a slow start plagued by delays.

    Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer.

    But medics in Germany are currently administering around 200,000 more daily vaccines than the British, the Telegraph reported.

    In France, more than 450,000 jabs are now regularly given out per day following the launch of 40 mass vaccination sites.

    Elsewhere, in Italy, medics have continued to consistently give around 200,000 jabs per day since the end of March.

    However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month.

    A bottleneck in supplies and a need to give second jabs to millions of people who got their first in January have meant the roll-out has lost momentum.

    Figures from the NHS show that 117,835 people got their first vaccine dose on Wednesday, which was up from just 59,905 on Monday but significantly lower than the one-day record of 614,930 on March 19.

    Medical chiefs said in a warning on March 17 that, for four weeks or more, 'volumes for first doses will be significantly constrained'.

    But the UK had hoped it would be able to steam ahead with its plans to vaccine younger people using a batch of five million extra doses of the Oxford jab due to arrive from India, as well as the first lots of Moderna jabs.

    That India delivery was held up, however, putting the roll-out on the back foot.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/slow-starting-europe-vaccination-drive-could-catch-up-with-britain/ar-BB1fLkm5?ocid=msedgntp

    You just love to lap up anyone who wants to twist facts to bash the UK, don't you? Let us look at some of those "facts"

    "Some 27 million Europeans are fully vaccinated, meaning the bloc has edged closer to its goal of having vaccinated 70 per cent of the adult population by the end of the summer."

    Note the way "fully vaccinated" morphs into "vaccinated" in the same sentence. And that 70% is less than 100%-the UK target. And "end of Summer" is later than the UK's End of July. So-still going to be a long way behind, then.

    "However, despite a swift start, the roll-out of Covid vaccines to new patients in the UK has slowed to a crawl in comparison to how it performed in March.
    An average of 91,000 people are getting their first dose each day now after the roll-out peaked at just over 500,000 per day in the middle of last month."

    This conveniently ignores the facts that (1) we are a million miles ahead on first doses; and (2) That more than 600,000 doses were administered in the UK yesterday. 500,000 were 2nd doses. So-that is 600,000 jabs per day. Still more than France. Or Italy. The opposite of that claimed in the article.

    It is good that the EU is trying to catch up. But please don't believe the twaddle you print.
    I dont lap up UK bashers.
    I dont even agree with every article I post.
    I often post articles that I think may encourage debate.
    You on the other hand are definitely an EU basher.
    You have done your best to make up Brexit benefits.
    Although this is a very difficult task.

    When posting this article I thought I was merely appreciating the fact that the EU are catching up after a disappointing start.
    I thought this was positive news, as there were unlikely to be many European holidays until they did.
    If you don't lap up UK bashers, why are they the only ones you put on the thread?

    "EU basher"? I love Europe. I think the EEC was a marvellous idea. Thought the CAP was a bit daft, but a price worth paying. The EC? Not so much-seemed to be shifting away from the Economic Community that was its strength.

    The EU? It is the "Union" bit I have problems with. I know that the current President has openly stated that she wants the EU to be like the States of Germany, or failing that Switzerland or the USA. Guess what? I don't.

    The Union was tasked by 27 of the then-28 Members to secure what may well be the most important single consignment of goods for 70 years-the vaccine. And, by any yardstick, they failed. Failed in a way that the 28th, the UK, did not. Failed in a way the US did not. Failed in a way that Germany, or France would not. You see lots of excuses. I see failure.

    Very difficult task? Right now you seem to be concentrating on the effects on the UK live shellfish exports. Whereas I am merely pointing to tens of millions of people unvaccinated, together with the mahoosive health and economic consequences.

    I'm really struggling.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, the Members of the EU would be a whole lot better off if they relied more on themselves, and less on the EU.
    I would agree.
    I am not getting into another vaccine war.
    I have had enough of that.
    There are things that countries may be better off doing individually rather than as a group.
    The trade aspect served us well for almost 50 years.
    I wish people in this country had seen some of the freedoms offered, as their freedoms, rather than just other peoples freedoms.
    I am struggling to find post Brexit good news.
    I agree with every sentence apart from the last 1. None so blind as those who will not see :)

    Turning particularly to trade going forward, I think the media's focus so far has been wrong.

    It was always going to be the case that, for British Companies exporting to the EU, things were going to be a little more difficult. Just like if you concentrate on UK sales, there is a slight advantage to Brexit. Particularly if your rivals are EU-based (like, for example 'Spoons). That much was inevitable, given the vote in 2016 and the last General Election result.

    The main issue for me is where there is a EU-based Regulator that may seek to force home an advantage. Like Financial Services, for example.

    I get that this Government will refuse to be in the EEA. But there are some industries where we need to be able to demonstrate equivalence.


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