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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,248
    edited October 2021
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.

    So you think its a good deal, and there are no real problems?

    Of course not. There only seem to be 2 sides to the debate:-
    (1) It's all brilliant, we've got our country back; and
    (2) We're all doomed

    Both are faintly ridiculous.

    The Northern Ireland bit is not going well. There needs to be renegotiation on all sides, particularly including Ireland.

    There needs to be immigration policies tailor-made for the needs of the UK. a willingness not to rely on 3rd World countries to do our dirty work. And to provide forward-looking ideas. Not rest on the laurels/defeat of 2016.
    France asks EU to hit UK with tariffs over Brexit fishing war as Beaune goads Britain


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/france-asks-eu-to-hit-uk-with-tariffs-over-brexit-fishing-war-as-beaune-goads-britain/ar-AAP2Ffo?ocid=msedgntp


    'Need a fresh start' EU ordered to stop being unreasonable and agree to scrap NI protocol


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/need-a-fresh-start-eu-ordered-to-stop-being-unreasonable-and-agree-to-scrap-ni-protocol/ar-AAP32nH?ocid=msedgntp




    Brexit fury as Boris' deal an 'insult to UK sovereignty' - Britain at mercy of EU courts



    The bloc-wide scheme commits all participating nations to arrest and transfer a criminal suspect or sentenced person to the issuing state once a warrant has been issued. However, Jayne Adye, director of the pro-Brexit campaign group Get Britain Out, said the UK's decision to remain a signatory came with a heavy price - because under the requirements of the EAW, any EU prosecutor can order a UK judge to have anyone in Britain arrested and extradited for lengthy detention in the country where a crime is alleged to have been committed - with little or no evidence being revealed, often for many months or years.

    She explained: "If a country allows a foreign authority to target anyone on its territory - and have them forcibly transported to a prison outside its national jurisdiction, with no questions asked - then that country is not an independent sovereign state, but a colony.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-fury-as-boris-deal-an-insult-to-uk-sovereignty-britain-at-mercy-of-eu-courts/ar-AAP3dF6?ocid=msedgntp


    Fix it or ditch it, UK's Johnson warns EU on Northern Ireland deal



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/fix-it-or-ditch-it-uk-s-johnson-warns-eu-on-northern-ireland-deal/ar-AAP33ZL?ocid=msedgntp


    It’s all in the delivery as Boris Johnson faces worried Tories at conference



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/it-s-all-in-the-delivery-as-boris-johnson-faces-worried-tories-at-conference/ar-AAP3OgW?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,248

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.

    So you think its a good deal, and there are no real problems?

    Of course not. There only seem to be 2 sides to the debate:-
    (1) It's all brilliant, we've got our country back; and
    (2) We're all doomed

    Both are faintly ridiculous.

    The Northern Ireland bit is not going well. There needs to be renegotiation on all sides, particularly including Ireland.

    There needs to be immigration policies tailor-made for the needs of the UK. a willingness not to rely on 3rd World countries to do our dirty work. And to provide forward-looking ideas. Not rest on the laurels/defeat of 2016.
    Ireland thinks Britain unlikely to trigger N.Ireland trade clause



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ireland-thinks-britain-unlikely-to-trigger-n-ireland-trade-clause/ar-AAP3UmK?ocid=msedgntp


    Colm Tóibín: will the Brexit fallout lead to a ‘united Ireland’?



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/colm-tóibín-will-the-brexit-fallout-lead-to-a-united-ireland/ar-AAP3U2D?ocid=msedgntp
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    Essexphil said:

    In shock news, 1 side says it's all the other side's fault when 2 sides agree to a bad deal.

    In less shocking news, some people are too busy shouting from their Remain/Leave trenches to accept this.

    The EU need to realise that the UK are between a rock and a hard place. All fine and well finger-pointing-rather nastier things than fingers are becoming increasingly likely to be pointed soon.

    As things stand, unless the EU/UK come to a pragmatic deal in relation to NI, the future is looking bleak.

    There needs to be a compromise whereby:-

    1. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to NI;
    2. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to Ireland;
    3. Some goods should not need to be checked unless leaving the island of Ireland
    4. Ireland needs financial assistance from both the EU and the UK in relation to 2/3

    If that does not happen, the UK looks like it has 2 bad choices-

    (1) Pull NI out of the Single Market; or
    (2) Hope and Pray that the more moderate parties in NI hold sway going forward

    UK has proposals to permanently replace the N.Ireland protocol- Telegraph


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-has-proposals-to-permanently-replace-the-n-ireland-protocol-telegraph/ar-AAP6USh?ocid=msedgntp

    Brexit panic: Now City of London fears banker exodus after crippling petrol shortage


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-panic-now-city-of-london-fears-banker-exodus-after-crippling-petrol-shortage/ar-AAP757E?ocid=msedgntp

    Brexit minister says ‘British Renaissance has begun’ as nation hit by petrol and food shortages


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-minister-says-british-renaissance-has-begun-as-nation-hit-by-petrol-and-food-shortages/ar-AAP6xdZ?ocid=msedgntp

    Supermarket shortages are a good thing, says Tory MP


    In the stunning intervention at a Tory conference fringe event, Mr Loder called supermarkets “commercial predators” and said supply chains breaking down would help local farmers.

    Business leaders called the idea “ridiculous”, “parochial” and “disrespectful” as pressure mounts on the Government over supply chain chaos.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/supermarket-shortages-are-a-good-thing-says-tory-mp/ar-AAP6l8d?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,248
    Essexphil said:

    With respect, you overvalue the virtue/value of honesty in politicians. Particularly PMs.

    Brown was far more honest than Blair. Far nicer man. Post-PM, a greater statesman (reminds me of Jimmy Carter in that respect). But Blair was unquestionably the more effective PM.

    The best time to judge Johnson is when he has stepped down. For him, Brexit was the springboard to being PM. He didn't care one way or the other about Brexit-he wanted to do what was Best for Boris. But now he wants to prepare the way to leave, and to cement (or create) his legacy.

    It would not surprise me if he actually went for a Swiss-style Brexit deal going forward. It will be dressed up as something different, of course. Faces need to be saved on all sides.Political suicide, of course. But Johnson doesn't think like other politicians. The last thing he needs is to be 1 of many PMs who have been tarnished over their dealings on the island of Ireland. I don't like him-but I actually think he is our best chance of moving forward. Because what is Best for Boris might, just might, also be what is Best for Britain. In the near future.

    People in the UK tend to want something to blame. Blaming Brexit is no different to blaming the EU. Businesses have always needed to adapt or fail. But the failing ones always seem to blame change, rather than their failure to adapt. So, to a lesser extent, do people. In its way, it is no different to people trying to blame the RNG here.

    Having said all that, Farage and Widdecombe would definitely and probably (in that order) be in my Bottom 5.

    Brexit is undermining the Union, Theresa May warns





    Brexit is undermining the Union former prime minister Theresa May has said

    Mrs May said the Brexit deals negotiated by Boris Johnson were putting the “solidarity” of the UK “under scrutiny” in both Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Meanwhile, former Tory party leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith said Northern Ireland’s place in the UK has “never been in greater jeopardy” and urged the Prime Minister to unilaterally suspend his own controversial deal with the EU on trade in the region.

    Ahead of the Conservaive Party conference in Manchester, Mrs May meanwhile warned the Government against “wagging our fingers” and using purely economic arguments against Scottish independence.

    Support for independence north of the border has grown since the UK voted to Leave the EU, but Scotland overwhelmingly backed Remain.

    At the same time Northern Ireland’s relationship with the rest of the UK is being hampered by the Brexit deal negotiated by Mr Johnson, which maintains an invisible Irish border but at the cost of stringent checks on trade between the region and Great Britain.

    In an essay for the Centre for Policy studies, Mrs May warned the solidarity of the Union is “under scrutiny, not only in Scotland but also in Northern Ireland, as a result of Brexit”.

    She went on: “The exit of the UK from the EU does require us to look again at the relationship between the four nations to ensure that it is working for all parts of the UK.

    “We joined as one entity, we left as one entity.

    “The challenge now is to ensure we can forge a new future as one entity.”

    The former PM meanwhile warned against using purely economic arguments to convince Scotland to remain part of the UK.

    She wrote: “As I look to the reasons why polls in Scotland recently showed a majority in favour of independence, I sense that they do not lie in debates about economic strength.

    “That is not to say that those arguments do not have to be fully debated or that vital questions like what currency a separate Scotland would use.

    “Rather, I think the reasons lie more in intangible issues like identity and a desire for greater respect and recognition.”

    She added: “We in England certainly should not wag our fingers at Scotland and tell people there that they could not exist without us.”

    It came as Mr Duncan Smith urged Mr Johnson to trigger Article 16 to unilaterally suspend the Protocol.

    He wrote in the Telegraph yesterday: “As a result of the dangerous and deeply divisive Northern Ireland protocol – which this Government made the mistake of signing up to – the place of Northern Ireland within the UK is looking more and more precarious.

    “In short, as we all travel to Manchester for the first face-to-face party conference since the landslide victory in 2019, the Union has never been in greater jeopardy.”


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-is-undermining-the-union-theresa-may-warns/ar-AAP3lX7?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,248
    edited October 2021
    Essexphil said:

    In shock news, 1 side says it's all the other side's fault when 2 sides agree to a bad deal.

    In less shocking news, some people are too busy shouting from their Remain/Leave trenches to accept this.

    The EU need to realise that the UK are between a rock and a hard place. All fine and well finger-pointing-rather nastier things than fingers are becoming increasingly likely to be pointed soon.

    As things stand, unless the EU/UK come to a pragmatic deal in relation to NI, the future is looking bleak.

    There needs to be a compromise whereby:-

    1. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to NI;
    2. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to Ireland;
    3. Some goods should not need to be checked unless leaving the island of Ireland
    4. Ireland needs financial assistance from both the EU and the UK in relation to 2/3

    If that does not happen, the UK looks like it has 2 bad choices-

    (1) Pull NI out of the Single Market; or
    (2) Hope and Pray that the more moderate parties in NI hold sway going forward

    Intel says it will no longer consider UK as site for huge chip factory because of Brexit


    Intel says Brexit means it is no longer considering the UK as the site to build a major new chip factory as part of its $95bn (£70bn) global expansion plans.

    Pat Gelsinger, the chief executive of the world’s largest maker of semiconductors, said they were now only considering European Union member states to host a new European site.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/intel-says-it-will-no-longer-consider-uk-as-site-for-huge-chip-factory-because-of-brexit/ar-AAPe1AD?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,248
    tai-gar said:

    Common Sense. Having seen the queues at petrol stations this evening, a memory from some years ago popped up.

    Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years.
    No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: Knowing when to come in out of the rain; Why the early bird gets the worm; Life isn't always fair; And maybe it was my fault.
    Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies - don't spend more than you can earn; and adults, not children, are in charge. His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition.
    Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
    Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.
    Common Sense finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.
    Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust, by his wife Discretion, his daughter Responsibility, and his son Reason. He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers - I Know My Rights, I Want It Now, Someone Else Is To Blame and I'm A Victim. Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
    If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, do nothing

    Sky TV drops the satellite dish with new ‘Sky Glass’ as it lets people get its full service over the internet
    https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/sky-tv-drops-satellite-dish-084406756.html
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    Sky TV drops the satellite dish with new ‘Sky Glass’ as it lets people get its full service over the internet
    https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/sky-tv-drops-satellite-dish-084406756.html


    Very interesting - thanks.

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    tai-gar said:


    Sky TV drops the satellite dish with new ‘Sky Glass’ as it lets people get its full service over the internet
    https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/sky-tv-drops-satellite-dish-084406756.html

    Very interesting - thanks.



    No probs, I started a thread.
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    edited October 2021
    Brexiteer’s attempt to defend Brexit spectacularly backfires as he’s reminded of his past comments


    A Brexiteer’s attempt to defend Brexit has resulted in him scoring a profound own-goal.

    Posting on Twitter, Lance Forman, a salmon businessman who previously served as a Brexit Party MEP, complained about people criticising the policy, and said “Brexit is going just fine.”





    Miffy🏳️‍🌈
    @miffythegamer
    If I want a bit of free comedy entertainment, I’m reassured in the knowledge there’s always Lance Forman’s Twitter page to turn to for a few hearty chuckles.








    Otto English
    @Otto_English
    *Brexit is going fine... but if you ever mention it again I'll block you* - the curious world of Lance Forman.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexiteer-s-attempt-to-defend-brexit-spectacularly-backfires-as-he-s-reminded-of-his-past-comments/ar-AAPhfXP?ocid=msedgntp
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    edited October 2021
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    Dame Hilary Mantel says she's 'ashamed' of Britain and plans to move to Ireland to 'become a European again'



    Wolf Hall author Dame Hilary Mantel has sparked anger after declaring that she is 'ashamed' of Britain and plans to take up Irish citizenship to 'become a European again'. The Booker Prize winner also used an interview with the Italian newspaper La Repubblica to describe Boris Johnson as unfit for public office, to criticise the institution of monarchy and to ridicule the UK as an 'artificial and precarious construct'. But her broadside - and assertion that she might be happier living in a republic - could leave her vulnerable to allegations of hypocrisy for agreeing to become a Dame of the British Empire in 2014.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9958633/Dame-Hilary-Mantel-says-shes-ashamed-Britain-plans-Ireland.html

    Yet another whiner.

    Do I agree with everything my country does? Of course not.
    But I don't decide that I am somehow not British just because my country does something I don't agree with, or vote in a way I think is misguided.

    I love my country. With all it's faults. Sometimes, even because of all its faults.

    My message to anyone wanting to leave is simple. Bye. Oh, and give back the Damehood, the CBE and so on. Rejecting who you are includes rejecting the gifts from what used to be your country. And remember-you are denying who you are.
    Do you think that this is the reason why people in this country blame the EU for every problem related to Brexit, even when it is clearly not their fault?
    It is part of it. People in Britain seem to characterise people as heroes or villains. Regardless of the fact that the reality is far more nuanced. Which is how the 2016 referendum was won (or lost).

    So-yes. Some Brexiteers genuinely believe that everything is the fault of everyone else. And that is wrong.

    But here's the thing. Some British people only want to blame the Government for all ills associated with Brexit. And that is just as wrong.
    EU urged to intervene in ‘self-inflicted' supply chain issues in Brexit Britain



    Alexander Stubb, 53, has called on the EU to take advantage of the ongoing crisis which has seen a shortage of goods on supermarket shelves and petrol pumps run dry. He said: "If the EU would play its cards right, it would offer assistance to the UK now or later when the supply of basic goods and services takes a turn for the worse.


    "This is what friends do, even if the pain has been self-inflicted, stupid and unnecessary."

    Mr Stubb, who unsuccessfully campaigned to be European Commission president in 2019, failed to acknowledge the difficulties faced in the UK were also being experienced in many places around the world.

    And in a series of posts on Twitter, he also said the issues would continue in Britain for the foreseeable future and were caused by "voluntary isolation and myths of sovereignty".






    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/eu-urged-to-intervene-in-self-inflicted-supply-chain-issues-in-brexit-britain/ar-AAPjgD7?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,248

    Hmmm. I can understand the foodbank not giving the item out as part of their standard issue for fear of being seen to make a political statement, but to refuse to accept them sends out a bad signal regarding the need for donations.

    At our foodbank we have trays in which very short dated or non standard stock are placed and anybody whether foodbank customer or soup kitchen guest can help themselves freely.

    Surely this would be a better option in this instance.

    Brexiteer Question Time audience member stuns Fiona Bruce with anti-Brexit comments



    Question Time host Fiona Bruce was taken aback on Thursday’s show, after an audience member criticising the lack of foreign workers – which she assumed to be a remainer – was in fact a Brexiteer.

    As Bruce turned to the audience for questions and contributions, one man picked by the presenter decided to blame our withdrawal from the European Union for the current shortages – such as a shortage of HGV drivers.

    He said: “I think there’s a bit of an irony here when we’re discussing Brexit because, in my opinion, a lot of people voted for Brexit because they didn’t want foreign workers coming over here taking our jobs, and now that’s exactly the situation that we’ve got.

    “We’ve got a lack of foreign workers which is why we’ve got these shortages.”





    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexiteer-question-time-audience-member-stuns-fiona-bruce-with-anti-brexit-comments/ar-AAPiWMH?ocid=msedgntp
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    Essexphil said:

    In shock news, 1 side says it's all the other side's fault when 2 sides agree to a bad deal.

    In less shocking news, some people are too busy shouting from their Remain/Leave trenches to accept this.

    The EU need to realise that the UK are between a rock and a hard place. All fine and well finger-pointing-rather nastier things than fingers are becoming increasingly likely to be pointed soon.

    As things stand, unless the EU/UK come to a pragmatic deal in relation to NI, the future is looking bleak.

    There needs to be a compromise whereby:-

    1. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to NI;
    2. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to Ireland;
    3. Some goods should not need to be checked unless leaving the island of Ireland
    4. Ireland needs financial assistance from both the EU and the UK in relation to 2/3

    If that does not happen, the UK looks like it has 2 bad choices-

    (1) Pull NI out of the Single Market; or
    (2) Hope and Pray that the more moderate parties in NI hold sway going forward

    Brexit supporters' attempts to play down effects of leaving EU are getting increasingly delusional – Angus Robertson MSP


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-supporters-attempts-to-play-down-effects-of-leaving-eu-are-getting-increasingly-delusional-angus-robertson-msp/ar-AAPnxUO?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,248
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.

    I would disagree.
    There just arent any articles proclaiming UK triumphs in regard to Brexit.
    Of course there are. You just refuse to see them. I mentioned AUKUS a while back. you ignored it. We have the ability to be our own voice on the world stage. Without looking over our shoulder. To negotiate our own way in the world.

    It will all take time. Or would you rather we accepted merely being part of a pan-EU Army? Have our ability to be our own nation gradually eroded?

    In all deals such as this, there are good bits. And bad bits. You could certainly argue that (at the very least, economically) the bad outweigh the good. But no good at all? Delusional.
    Ireland steps up war of words over Brexit trade




    Ireland accused the Government of “shifting the playing field” over Northern Ireland on Monday as Brexit tensions between the UK and Brussels escalated.

    Dublin’s foreign minister Simon Coveney went on the attack amid UK attempts to rewrite the contentious Northern Ireland protocol which governs trading arrangements for the region. Brexit Minister Lord Frost will use a speech in Lisbon on Tuesday to threaten a trade war with Brussels unless it makes changes to the protocol including the oversight role played by the European Court of Justice.

    On Wednesday the European Commission will announce plans to scrap checks on some goods — including sausages and chilled meats — between the British mainland and Northern Ireland.

    But Brussels has made it clear removing the ECJ’s role is a red line it will not cross. On Monday Mr Coveney questioned Britain’s motives and asked why the UK had signed up to the protocol — which seeks to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland — in the first place.



    “If the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in terms of the functioning of the EU single market was an absolute red line for the UK why did they sign up to an agreement that allowed the ECJ to effectively be the final arbiter for the implementation of the protocol in Northern Ireland?

    “This is seen across the EU as the same pattern over and over again, the EU tries to solve problems, the UK dismisses them before they are even published and asks for more.

    “The British government seems to be shifting the playing field now away from solving those issues. Now opening up this new red line issue of the jurisdiction of the UK. The truth is they know that the EU can’t move on this issue and yet they are still asking for it.”

    Lord Frost, who was involved in a Twitter spat with Mr Coveney over the ECJ issue at the weekend, is expected use his Lisbon speech on Tuesday to accuse Brussels of dismissing governance as a “side issue”.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/ireland-steps-up-war-of-words-over-brexit-trade/ar-AAPmVmr?ocid=msedgntp

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    Essexphil said:

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    Always been fascinated by the British obsession with pounds and ounces.

    The full name of the "British" pound (lb) is the Avoirdupois Pound. It is French :)

    How much do you think companies will have to spend changing signage, petrol pumps etc?
    They won't "have" to spend anything. Unless it becomes compulsory to use imperial and metric. Which would be unlikely. I'm sure some Companies will make a great deal of this-but in reality it will be part of their marketing strategy.

    Like the Australian owner of Spoons. Telling me how to be British :)
    The government is behaving dishonourably, once again, in its dealings with the EU
    Editorial: The British once again want to have their cake and eat it – to honour the Good Friday Agreement with no economic border in Ireland, but also to have no economic border between Northern Ireland and





    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/david-frost-brexit-negotiations-northern-ireland-b1936894.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,248
    Essexphil said:

    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.

    David Frost cocked it all up, explained David Frost – but don’t worry, David Frost is here to sort it out
    That the government’s chief Brexit negotiator expects the EU to be ‘flexible’ about cleaning up his own mess is shocking, but not surprising


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-frost-brexit-speech-northern-ireland-protocol-b1937093.html
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