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Effects Of Brexit.

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    Essexphil said:

    tai-gar said:

    Don't worry I am sure "Jacob the reliable" will sort it all out.

    oops meant "lie-able" obviously.

    Jacob has been worryingly sensible lately.

    This new job will free his inner nutter :)

    Seems ironic to give the post of "Brexit Opportunities" Minister to the guy who insisted it was the best way forward while simultaneously transferring assets to Ireland...
    I dont know if you saw it, but NewsNight did a report on Brexit Benefits from Dover last night.
  • tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,689
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    tai-gar said:

    Don't worry I am sure "Jacob the reliable" will sort it all out.

    oops meant "lie-able" obviously.

    Jacob has been worryingly sensible lately.

    This new job will free his inner nutter :)

    Seems ironic to give the post of "Brexit Opportunities" Minister to the guy who insisted it was the best way forward while simultaneously transferring assets to Ireland...
    I dont know if you saw it, but NewsNight did a report on Brexit Benefits from Dover last night.
    Bet that was a short report then?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    tai-gar said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    tai-gar said:

    Don't worry I am sure "Jacob the reliable" will sort it all out.

    oops meant "lie-able" obviously.

    Jacob has been worryingly sensible lately.

    This new job will free his inner nutter :)

    Seems ironic to give the post of "Brexit Opportunities" Minister to the guy who insisted it was the best way forward while simultaneously transferring assets to Ireland...
    I dont know if you saw it, but NewsNight did a report on Brexit Benefits from Dover last night.
    Bet that was a short report then?
    Short report, long queues of traffic.
    Natalie Elphicke who has taken over from Charlie, claimed the queues were not caused by Brexit.
    She said it was down to Brussels bureaucracy.
    Makes you laugh.
    The delays have been post Brexit.
    The additional bureaucracy is because we are now a third country.
    Nothing to do with Brexit.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    edited February 2022
    Essexphil said:

    tai-gar said:

    Don't worry I am sure "Jacob the reliable" will sort it all out.

    oops meant "lie-able" obviously.

    Jacob has been worryingly sensible lately.

    This new job will free his inner nutter :)

    Seems ironic to give the post of "Brexit Opportunities" Minister to the guy who insisted it was the best way forward while simultaneously transferring assets to Ireland...
    The evidence is all around us: life outside the single market is an utter disaster



    Leaving the EU had some arguments for it. Leaving the single market had none. “Soft” Brexit within that market would have been far been easier to negotiate. Leaving it has meant wrecked supply chains and terminated scientific collaboration. It has undermined recruitment patterns and destabilised Northern Ireland. It has crippled the fish industry and impeded billions of pounds of UK trade. Its consequences have wavered between nuisance and disaster.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-evidence-is-all-around-us-life-outside-the-single-market-is-an-utter-disaster/ar-AATZX78?ocid=msedgntp

    SNP in tailspin as Scotland faces being thrown under bus in new Brexit deal with Denmark


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/snp-in-tailspin-as-scotland-faces-being-thrown-under-bus-in-new-brexit-deal-with-denmark/ar-AATZTaW?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    Essexphil said:

    tai-gar said:

    Don't worry I am sure "Jacob the reliable" will sort it all out.

    oops meant "lie-able" obviously.

    Jacob has been worryingly sensible lately.

    This new job will free his inner nutter :)

    Seems ironic to give the post of "Brexit Opportunities" Minister to the guy who insisted it was the best way forward while simultaneously transferring assets to Ireland...
    Sinn Fein deputy leader urges Irish government to prepare for a united Ireland


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/sinn-fein-deputy-leader-urges-irish-government-to-prepare-for-a-united-ireland/ar-AAU4wDc?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    We have left a protectionist trade bloc.

    As a result, our trade with that bloc has reduced while there has been increased trade with the rest of the World, and we have become more reliant on consuming our own, home-grown product.

    Why is that surprising? Or indeed news?

    Why is the Guardian still persisting in its belief that the Public never voted for Brexit? Or indeed persisting in the belief that the paper is relevant?

    Here is 1 important news item you will not see-how few copies of the Guardian are now sold:-

    https://pressgazette.co.uk/guardian-abc-print-circulation-private/
    Brexit news: Did Brexit hit trade? Jacob Rees-Mogg claims fact-checked


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-news-did-brexit-hit-trade-jacob-rees-mogg-claims-fact-checked/ar-AAU4p8c?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    Post-Brexit Northern Ireland Protocol 'killed off' VAT cut on fuel bills



    Senior Tory Sir Iain Duncan Smith blamed the post-Brexit Northern Ireland Protocol for killing off a tax cut potentially worth £100 a year for families facing rising bills.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10531643/Post-Brexit-Northern-Ireland-Protocol-killed-VAT-cut-fuel-bills.html
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    edited February 2022
    HAYSIE said:

    Post-Brexit Northern Ireland Protocol 'killed off' VAT cut on fuel bills



    Senior Tory Sir Iain Duncan Smith blamed the post-Brexit Northern Ireland Protocol for killing off a tax cut potentially worth £100 a year for families facing rising bills.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10531643/Post-Brexit-Northern-Ireland-Protocol-killed-VAT-cut-fuel-bills.html

    Got to love some of this nonsense.

    Sir Iain Duncan Donuts :)
    A man nearly as mad as John Redwood.

    While Remainers blame Brexit for everything, he continues to blame the EU.

    Let me see.

    1. We have a Conservative Government that elected to give us a dodgy package that is very easy to cancel next year instead of a VAT cut
    2. They promised this was better than a VAT cut
    3. If 2 is true, how difficult would it have been to give GB a VAT cut, and NI the package we have all got?

    Answer:-because the Tories decided to give us a sh1t deal instead of a VAT cut.

    And it has nothing to do with Brexit or the Protocol.
    And everything to do with this corrupt Government
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Post-Brexit Northern Ireland Protocol 'killed off' VAT cut on fuel bills



    Senior Tory Sir Iain Duncan Smith blamed the post-Brexit Northern Ireland Protocol for killing off a tax cut potentially worth £100 a year for families facing rising bills.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10531643/Post-Brexit-Northern-Ireland-Protocol-killed-VAT-cut-fuel-bills.html

    Got to love some of this nonsense.

    Sir Iain Duncan Donuts :)
    A man nearly as mad as John Redwood.

    While Remainers blame Brexit for everything, he continues to blame the EU.

    Let me see.

    1. We have a Conservative Government that elected to give us a dodgy package that is very easy to cancel next year instead of a VAT cut
    2. They promised this was better than a VAT cut
    3. If 2 is true, how difficult would it have been to give GB a VAT cut, and NI the package we have all got?

    Answer:-because the Tories decided to give us a sh1t deal instead of a VAT cut.

    And it has nothing to do with Brexit or the Protocol.
    And everything to do with this corrupt Government
    Some interesting times ahead.
    The council elections may be a litmus test as to whether Boris can hang on, assuming he is still there by then.
    A Sinn Fein win in the NI elections may be a step towards a united Ireland.
    That would put an end to the protocol.
    GB becoming a proper third country, and full checks on everything.
    Boris not being hailed as the second Winston Churchill, but as the man that broke up the UK.
    Maybe slightly embarrassing for The Conservative and Unionist Party.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    Essexphil said:

    tai-gar said:

    Don't worry I am sure "Jacob the reliable" will sort it all out.

    oops meant "lie-able" obviously.

    Jacob has been worryingly sensible lately.

    This new job will free his inner nutter :)

    Seems ironic to give the post of "Brexit Opportunities" Minister to the guy who insisted it was the best way forward while simultaneously transferring assets to Ireland...
    Fishing for Brexit opportunities will end with an unsatisfactory haul


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/topstories/fishing-for-brexit-opportunities-will-end-with-an-unsatisfactory-haul/ar-AAU5DPU?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    How much longer do we have to pretend that Brexit might work?


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/much-longer-pretend-brexit-might-070002547.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    edited February 2022

    The Man in Seat 61
    @seatsixtyone
    Sustainable travel latest: UK government still haven’t read the memo…



    Liz Truss
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    United Kingdom government official
    In Brussels to co-chair a 🇬🇧🇪🇺 Joint Committee meeting with @MarosSefcovic on the Withdrawal Agreement.
    We continue to work intensively to find practical solutions that preserve peace and stability in Northern Ireland and protect the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement.



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/travel/liz-truss-slammed-for-taking-private-flight-instead-of-train-to-brussels/ar-AAU83nn?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Post-Brexit Northern Ireland Protocol 'killed off' VAT cut on fuel bills



    Senior Tory Sir Iain Duncan Smith blamed the post-Brexit Northern Ireland Protocol for killing off a tax cut potentially worth £100 a year for families facing rising bills.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10531643/Post-Brexit-Northern-Ireland-Protocol-killed-VAT-cut-fuel-bills.html

    Got to love some of this nonsense.

    Sir Iain Duncan Donuts :)
    A man nearly as mad as John Redwood.

    While Remainers blame Brexit for everything, he continues to blame the EU.

    Let me see.

    1. We have a Conservative Government that elected to give us a dodgy package that is very easy to cancel next year instead of a VAT cut
    2. They promised this was better than a VAT cut
    3. If 2 is true, how difficult would it have been to give GB a VAT cut, and NI the package we have all got?

    Answer:-because the Tories decided to give us a sh1t deal instead of a VAT cut.

    And it has nothing to do with Brexit or the Protocol.
    And everything to do with this corrupt Government
    Tory tensions over Brexit exposed as Iain Duncan Smith lashes out at delays in ripping up EU rules


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-tensions-over-brexit-exposed-as-iain-duncan-smith-lashes-out-at-delays-in-ripping-up-eu-rules/ar-AAU7odq?ocid=msedgntp
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    The 2 articles above show rather differing approaches to the UK's role in a post-Brexit world.

    The 8:12 shows Sir Iain Duncan Donuts at his usual worst.

    Full of ideas. Empty on how to implement any of them. If he had the slightest clue, he could point to one of his 100 "rules", and show how one could be implemented without causing problems. But, of course, he doesn't.

    An increasingly irrelevant, ex-Tory Leader. Hanging around like a bad smell. Like Edward Heath, but without the talent.

    The 8:13 article is far more interesting. The City, contrary to appearing to be running around like Corporal Jones 2-4 years ago, now realises that life goes on. And that with new Rules comes new Opportunities. And that sensible tinkering of former EU Rules can profitably be done rather more easily in relation to Services (as opposed to Goods).
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,894
    Essexphil said:

    The 2 articles above show rather differing approaches to the UK's role in a post-Brexit world.

    The 8:12 shows Sir Iain Duncan Donuts at his usual worst.

    Full of ideas. Empty on how to implement any of them. If he had the slightest clue, he could point to one of his 100 "rules", and show how one could be implemented without causing problems. But, of course, he doesn't.

    An increasingly irrelevant, ex-Tory Leader. Hanging around like a bad smell. Like Edward Heath, but without the talent.

    The 8:13 article is far more interesting. The City, contrary to appearing to be running around like Corporal Jones 2-4 years ago, now realises that life goes on. And that with new Rules comes new Opportunities. And that sensible tinkering of former EU Rules can profitably be done rather more easily in relation to Services (as opposed to Goods).

    I think that if your glass is half empty, you are unlikely to improve anything.
    Although the positive reports on post Brexit UK seem to follow a pattern.
    Commentators regularly point to the current decline in a particular area, but promise a huge improvement at some point in the future, often in the very distant future.
    For the sake of the country I hope these improvements occur, but many predictions fail to materialise.
    I follow many of the arguments with interest.
    It seems strange to me that after all the criticism of the EU and their rules during the referendum campaign, that we havent seen fit to escape from many of their rules as soon as we escaped.
    Wasnt that the point.
    So far we have got blue passports, crowns on pint glasses (which we could have had anyway), feet and inches, and pounds and ounces, (to confuse school kids, and manufacturers).
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The 2 articles above show rather differing approaches to the UK's role in a post-Brexit world.

    The 8:12 shows Sir Iain Duncan Donuts at his usual worst.

    Full of ideas. Empty on how to implement any of them. If he had the slightest clue, he could point to one of his 100 "rules", and show how one could be implemented without causing problems. But, of course, he doesn't.

    An increasingly irrelevant, ex-Tory Leader. Hanging around like a bad smell. Like Edward Heath, but without the talent.

    The 8:13 article is far more interesting. The City, contrary to appearing to be running around like Corporal Jones 2-4 years ago, now realises that life goes on. And that with new Rules comes new Opportunities. And that sensible tinkering of former EU Rules can profitably be done rather more easily in relation to Services (as opposed to Goods).

    I think that if your glass is half empty, you are unlikely to improve anything.
    Although the positive reports on post Brexit UK seem to follow a pattern.
    Commentators regularly point to the current decline in a particular area, but promise a huge improvement at some point in the future, often in the very distant future.
    For the sake of the country I hope these improvements occur, but many predictions fail to materialise.
    I follow many of the arguments with interest.
    It seems strange to me that after all the criticism of the EU and their rules during the referendum campaign, that we havent seen fit to escape from many of their rules as soon as we escaped.
    Wasnt that the point.
    So far we have got blue passports, crowns on pint glasses (which we could have had anyway), feet and inches, and pounds and ounces, (to confuse school kids, and manufacturers).
    But you are only looking at the economic side. And rather too much on agriculture/fishing.

    I believe an accurate summary so far would be:-

    1. In relation to goods, Brexit will cost us money. Not as much as Remainers claimed, but more than Brexiteers claimed. Difficult to say how much, due to the blurring effect of Covid. But quite a lot. People who trade within the UK will have done quite well, unlike importers/exporters. There has been a lack of planning for change, both from Government and Exporters. And a lack of accepting how many EU Rules need to stay.

    2. In relation to Services. Too early to tell. Much smaller initial hit than feared. More likely to be able to diverge profitably, but time will tell.

    3. Other benefits. Life is not just about money. It is about the freedom to make our own mistakes, and to do what the voters of the UK want. We were a part of the EEC. And the EC. But we do not want to be part of a European Union. Me? I'd love us to be in the EU at some level. But Democracy does not involve me getting what I want. And the last 2 Elections gave clear support to us not being in the EEA.
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