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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,282
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Fruit Pastilles will be made in Czech Republic and Toffee Crisp bars in Poland as Nestle closesits Newcastle factory with loss of 475 jobs



    The closure of a Nestle factory near Newcastle has been confirmed with familiar brands such as Fruit Pastilles and Jelly Tots all slated to be produced abroad.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10469521/Nestle-closing-Newcastle-factory-loss-475-jobs-production-set-Eastern-Europe.html

    This has little to do with Brexit.

    The simple fact is that international companies relocate to wherever the profit is.

    The costs of manufacturing the goods will drop substantially, simply because of lower wage costs, lower cost of land, and assistance from the relevant Governments.

    This has been happening for years. It was happening before Brexit. It was even happening before Minimum Wage.

    Why else would a Swiss Company produce goods all around the World. But very little in Switzerland?
    The unions are arguing that the factory was profitable.
    They are also arguing that the company will face significant costs shipping the finished products back to the UK to be consumed.
    So what!

    There is "profitable". And there is "more profitable"

    When a British Company (Rowntree) sells to a Swiss one (Nestle) that is the way it works.

    I don't blame the Unions for saying all this-I would in their shoes. But it's not like we are the only country in the World that eats chocolate. And it's not like Swiss shareholders are going to accept less money to look after UK workers.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Fruit Pastilles will be made in Czech Republic and Toffee Crisp bars in Poland as Nestle closesits Newcastle factory with loss of 475 jobs



    The closure of a Nestle factory near Newcastle has been confirmed with familiar brands such as Fruit Pastilles and Jelly Tots all slated to be produced abroad.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10469521/Nestle-closing-Newcastle-factory-loss-475-jobs-production-set-Eastern-Europe.html

    This has little to do with Brexit.

    The simple fact is that international companies relocate to wherever the profit is.

    The costs of manufacturing the goods will drop substantially, simply because of lower wage costs, lower cost of land, and assistance from the relevant Governments.

    This has been happening for years. It was happening before Brexit. It was even happening before Minimum Wage.

    Why else would a Swiss Company produce goods all around the World. But very little in Switzerland?
    Based on this argument you would have to wonder why they set up in the UK in the first place.
    Or at least why they didnt relocate many years ago.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Fruit Pastilles will be made in Czech Republic and Toffee Crisp bars in Poland as Nestle closesits Newcastle factory with loss of 475 jobs



    The closure of a Nestle factory near Newcastle has been confirmed with familiar brands such as Fruit Pastilles and Jelly Tots all slated to be produced abroad.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10469521/Nestle-closing-Newcastle-factory-loss-475-jobs-production-set-Eastern-Europe.html

    This has little to do with Brexit.

    The simple fact is that international companies relocate to wherever the profit is.

    The costs of manufacturing the goods will drop substantially, simply because of lower wage costs, lower cost of land, and assistance from the relevant Governments.

    This has been happening for years. It was happening before Brexit. It was even happening before Minimum Wage.

    Why else would a Swiss Company produce goods all around the World. But very little in Switzerland?
    Based on this argument you would have to wonder why they set up in the UK in the first place.
    Or at least why they didnt relocate many years ago.
    The other question I would ask, is that do you think there will be more closures to come.
    They apparently employ around 8,000 in the UK, and Ireland, across 20 sites.
    So just closing one factory would seem to create relatively small savings on wages, and far bigger savings would seem to be possible.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Fruit Pastilles will be made in Czech Republic and Toffee Crisp bars in Poland as Nestle closesits Newcastle factory with loss of 475 jobs



    The closure of a Nestle factory near Newcastle has been confirmed with familiar brands such as Fruit Pastilles and Jelly Tots all slated to be produced abroad.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10469521/Nestle-closing-Newcastle-factory-loss-475-jobs-production-set-Eastern-Europe.html

    This has little to do with Brexit.

    The simple fact is that international companies relocate to wherever the profit is.

    The costs of manufacturing the goods will drop substantially, simply because of lower wage costs, lower cost of land, and assistance from the relevant Governments.

    This has been happening for years. It was happening before Brexit. It was even happening before Minimum Wage.

    Why else would a Swiss Company produce goods all around the World. But very little in Switzerland?
    The unions are arguing that the factory was profitable.
    They are also arguing that the company will face significant costs shipping the finished products back to the UK to be consumed.
    So what!

    There is "profitable". And there is "more profitable"

    When a British Company (Rowntree) sells to a Swiss one (Nestle) that is the way it works.

    I don't blame the Unions for saying all this-I would in their shoes. But it's not like we are the only country in the World that eats chocolate. And it's not like Swiss shareholders are going to accept less money to look after UK workers.
    Northern Ireland first minister preparing to resign



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/northern-ireland-first-minister-preparing-to-resign/ar-AATqj4a?ocid=msedgntp
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,282
    HAYSIE said:
    All that is is a German managing to be as stupid as our Government.

    We do not have to stay as we are. There are choices. All have advantages. And all have disadvantages. We don't have to follow a club's rules. Simply because we are no longer a Member.

    I get tired of politicians banging on about the Good Friday Agreement. As though only 1 side needs to respect it.

    If NI leaves the Single Market, the EU has a choice as to what to do. They can allow free trade between all-Ireland. Or they can put a whacking great border up, pay to maintain it, and tear up the Agreement.

    It's all very well the EU saying Johnson wouldn't dare take NI out of the Single Market. Forgetting he doesn't need to. The DUP will do it for him. The EU need to come to the table to discuss the way forward. For everyone.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    All that is is a German managing to be as stupid as our Government.

    We do not have to stay as we are. There are choices. All have advantages. And all have disadvantages. We don't have to follow a club's rules. Simply because we are no longer a Member.

    I get tired of politicians banging on about the Good Friday Agreement. As though only 1 side needs to respect it.

    If NI leaves the Single Market, the EU has a choice as to what to do. They can allow free trade between all-Ireland. Or they can put a whacking great border up, pay to maintain it, and tear up the Agreement.

    It's all very well the EU saying Johnson wouldn't dare take NI out of the Single Market. Forgetting he doesn't need to. The DUP will do it for him. The EU need to come to the table to discuss the way forward. For everyone.
    You seem to wish ignore quite a lot.
    If there was no Good Friday Agreement, leaving the EU would have been simple.
    We would have a land border on the island of Ireland.
    EU rules on one side, UK rules on the other.
    I suppose that a vindictive EU could have insisted on this, and put the ball firmly in our court.
    Although they would have faced criticism from many quarters.
    A vindictive EU could have refused to allow NI to remain in the customs union/single market.

    Boris the author of the protocol chose to put a border in the Irish Sea.
    He also negotiated NI remaining in the CU/SM.
    Both were concessions as far as the EU were concerned.
    In a typical Boris, cake and eat it position, he wanted the concessions, but also wanted to write all the rules.
    Why do we resent the EU wanting to protect the single market.
    He signed an agreement to adhere to the rules, but instead broke International Law.
    Any agreement will involve benefits, and conditions.
    Boris just wants the benefits, and despite signing to agree to the conditions, he wants to renege on them.
    How can you criticise the EU for expecting us to stick to the agreement, and ignore the steps they have taken to reduce checks.

    The Sky News reporting yesterday suggested that many businesses have benefitted greatly from being in the single market.
    They also maintained that the DUP was concerned about the position of NI in the UK, and how the border affects this.
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,282
    edited February 2022
    It always amuses me when you say in multiple threads that Boris Johnson is a liar. And assume he wasn't lying about Northern Ireland.

    Let's start with the "Irish Sea" border. That is both sides not telling the truth. Read this:-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381

    The "border" is not the Irish Sea. The UK decided that the duty in policing this falls, not with the UK, not with the EU. But Northern Ireland. It is the port where the goods first arrive that has all the work to do. And Northern Ireland is in the process of refusing to do this.

    All very well saying there is an agreement. But it is an agreement between the UK and the EU that NI does all their work. Guess what? NI doesn't want to play.

    Article 16 allows for suspension of any part of the agreement that causes "economic, societal or environmental difficulties".

    The agreement, as it stands, causes massive economic and societal difficulties. Not least of these is that, once again, NI has no Government.

    I love the bit in the article where the EU say the treaty cannot be renegotiated. While both offering to renegotiate it and ignore the fact that Article 16 in the actual treaty is a massive problem.

    Yes, the EU could effectively tear up the Good Friday Agreement, and refuse to have sensible discussions. But there are 2 echoes from the past:-

    1. The EU is the 1 that now seem to have the "red lines"; and
    2. They can build a wall if they like. But it reminds me of Trump saying there was going to be a Wall, and the Mexicans were going to pay for it. Why is their Single Market our problem?

    There are so many alternative solutions. We could agree to create a fiction. You know, like the UK bases on Cyprus. Or Greenland. We could shift the burden so some of it is on NI border, some on the Irish Border, and some between Ireland and the rest of the EU.

    It is called compromise. Which is a whole lot better than sticking to a deal that is about to fall apart.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    Essexphil said:

    It always amuses me when you say in multiple threads that Boris Johnson is a liar. And assume he wasn't lying about Northern Ireland.

    Let's start with the "Irish Sea" border. That is both sides not telling the truth. Read this:-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381

    The "border" is not the Irish Sea. The UK decided that the duty in policing this falls, not with the UK, not with the EU. But Northern Ireland. It is the port where the goods first arrive that has all the work to do. And Northern Ireland is in the process of refusing to do this.

    All very well saying there is an agreement. But it is an agreement between the UK and the EU that NI does all their work. Guess what? NI doesn't want to play.

    Article 16 allows for suspension of any part of the agreement that causes "economic, societal or environmental difficulties".

    The agreement, as it stands, causes massive economic and societal difficulties. Not least of these is that, once again, NI has no Government.

    I love the bit in the article where the EU say the treaty cannot be renegotiated. While both offering to renegotiate it and ignore the fact that Article 16 in the actual treaty is a massive problem.

    Yes, the EU could effectively tear up the Good Friday Agreement, and refuse to have sensible discussions. But there are 2 echoes from the past:-

    1. The EU is the 1 that now seem to have the "red lines"; and
    2. They can build a wall if they like. But it reminds me of Trump saying there was going to be a Wall, and the Mexicans were going to pay for it. Why is their Single Market our problem?

    There are so many alternative solutions. We could agree to create a fiction. You know, like the UK bases on Cyprus. Or Greenland. We could shift the burden so some of it is on NI border, some on the Irish Border, and some between Ireland and the rest of the EU.

    It is called compromise. Which is a whole lot better than sticking to a deal that is about to fall apart.

    We could go around in circles forever on this.
    The Unionists are dead against the border, the customs checks simply highlight the fact that there is a border between NI and the rest of the UK.
    They find this unacceptable.
    Boris has been using the checks to deflect from the fact that the border is a problem.
    This is not a trade issue, it is a political issue.
    The EU have reduced checks by 80%, sorted sausages, and medicines.
    How much further could they go?

    The EUs Single Market became our problem when we left NI in it.

    The EU wanted to carry out the customs checks in NI, but Boris wouldnt have it.
    Allowing us to do the checks seems stupid, but the EU agreed to us marking our own homework.
    There cant possibly be any trust left.

    How can NI insist on their place in the UK, except when it comes to carrying out checks that the UK Government has agreed to?

    The article clearly says that a new trade border has been created in the Irish Sea, so why would you dispute that?

    The article that you posted is pretty much the same as one I posted the other day.

    I think that the main flaw in your argument is that irrespective of whether we have an agreement with the EU or not, a border will be required.
    Some customs checks will be carried out.
    As the UK completes more trade deals around the world, with countries that dont comply with EU standards, more checks will be required.
    As we diverge more checks will be required.
    Boris would have this running forever, as each time we start importing chlorinated chicken, Australian hormone fed beef, or we genetically modify crops, will result in more rules, and more checks.

    I think Boris lies all the time, although it is much more difficult to get away with if you subsequently sign agreements, or treaties.
    You surely cant be blaming the EU for trusting him, when they shouldnt have.
    What would be the point of any agreement?




    What is the Northern Ireland Protocol?
    The protocol allows lorries to deliver goods without having paperwork and goods checked when they cross the border from Northern Ireland into the Republic of Ireland.

    This arrangement was easy to maintain before Brexit. When both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland were part of the EU, they automatically followed the same EU trade rules, which meant no checks were required.

    However, a new arrangement was needed after Northern Ireland (along with the rest of the UK) left the EU. The EU has strict food rules and requires border checks when certain goods, such as milk and eggs, arrive from non-EU countries. Similar rules exist in other areas, such as medicine licensing.

    To try to get round the problem the UK and the EU negotiated the Northern Ireland Protocol, which is now part of international law.

    How does the Northern Ireland Protocol work?
    Rather than checks taking place along the Irish border, it was agreed any inspections and document checks would take place between Northern Ireland and Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) instead.

    This was allowed after it was agreed that Northern Ireland would continue to follow EU rules on product standards (part of the EU's single market rules).

    Checks on GB goods take place at Northern Ireland ports to make sure they comply with EU laws. However, this has led to criticism that a new trade border has effectively been created in the Irish Sea.

    Unionists are strongly opposed to the checks because they don't want Northern Ireland to be treated differently to the rest of the UK.

    Also, not all checks under the protocol have been fully implemented yet. For example, supermarkets had reduced paperwork required under a temporary "grace period". However, the UK decided to extend these periods - something the EU said was a breach of international law.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381



    Why does the UK want to change the protocol?
    Despite signing up to the agreement in 2019, the UK government now says the protocol represented a huge compromise by the UK and has accused the EU of applying it too rigidly.

    The UK is calling for changes, which include:

    Getting rid of checks and paperwork between Great Britain and Northern Ireland
    Ensuring that goods that remain in Northern Ireland only need to meet British standards without also needing to comply with EU law
    Removing the role the European Commission and the European Court of Justice have in overseeing how the protocol works



    What has the EU proposed?
    The EU has set out proposals, but says a renegotiation of the text of the Protocol is out of the question:

    An 80% reduction in checks on food products arriving in Northern Ireland, as well as halving the amount of paperwork involved.
    Reduce the customs information firms need to provide
    Pass legislation to allow the trade in medicines between GB and Northern Ireland to continue
    Relax rules so chilled meats, such as sausages, could still be sent across the Irish Sea.
    In return, the EU wants extra safeguards to prevent products from Great Britain crossing into the Republic of Ireland.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    All that is is a German managing to be as stupid as our Government.

    We do not have to stay as we are. There are choices. All have advantages. And all have disadvantages. We don't have to follow a club's rules. Simply because we are no longer a Member.

    I get tired of politicians banging on about the Good Friday Agreement. As though only 1 side needs to respect it.

    If NI leaves the Single Market, the EU has a choice as to what to do. They can allow free trade between all-Ireland. Or they can put a whacking great border up, pay to maintain it, and tear up the Agreement.

    It's all very well the EU saying Johnson wouldn't dare take NI out of the Single Market. Forgetting he doesn't need to. The DUP will do it for him. The EU need to come to the table to discuss the way forward. For everyone.
    Lets say we dont have any agreement with the EU, and we plan to trade with the rest of the world on WTO rules.
    Would we need a border between us and the EU?
    If so where would it go?
    Once the border was in place, would there be any customs checks?
    Would the DUP be happy?
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,282
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    All that is is a German managing to be as stupid as our Government.

    We do not have to stay as we are. There are choices. All have advantages. And all have disadvantages. We don't have to follow a club's rules. Simply because we are no longer a Member.

    I get tired of politicians banging on about the Good Friday Agreement. As though only 1 side needs to respect it.

    If NI leaves the Single Market, the EU has a choice as to what to do. They can allow free trade between all-Ireland. Or they can put a whacking great border up, pay to maintain it, and tear up the Agreement.

    It's all very well the EU saying Johnson wouldn't dare take NI out of the Single Market. Forgetting he doesn't need to. The DUP will do it for him. The EU need to come to the table to discuss the way forward. For everyone.
    Lets say we dont have any agreement with the EU, and we plan to trade with the rest of the world on WTO rules.
    Would we need a border between us and the EU?
    If so where would it go?
    Once the border was in place, would there be any customs checks?
    Would the DUP be happy?
    There are lots of different ways of achieving this. It doesn't have to be WTO Rules. That is why consensus is important.

    There may well be lots of different answers. There may even be ones you would like.

    But the DUP? No chance :)
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    All that is is a German managing to be as stupid as our Government.

    We do not have to stay as we are. There are choices. All have advantages. And all have disadvantages. We don't have to follow a club's rules. Simply because we are no longer a Member.

    I get tired of politicians banging on about the Good Friday Agreement. As though only 1 side needs to respect it.

    If NI leaves the Single Market, the EU has a choice as to what to do. They can allow free trade between all-Ireland. Or they can put a whacking great border up, pay to maintain it, and tear up the Agreement.

    It's all very well the EU saying Johnson wouldn't dare take NI out of the Single Market. Forgetting he doesn't need to. The DUP will do it for him. The EU need to come to the table to discuss the way forward. For everyone.
    Lets say we dont have any agreement with the EU, and we plan to trade with the rest of the world on WTO rules.
    Would we need a border between us and the EU?
    If so where would it go?
    Once the border was in place, would there be any customs checks?
    Would the DUP be happy?
    There are lots of different ways of achieving this. It doesn't have to be WTO Rules. That is why consensus is important.

    There may well be lots of different answers. There may even be ones you would like.

    But the DUP? No chance :)
    I dont suppose what I like comes into it.
    It doesnt affect me in any way.
    I blame Boris.
    The DUP may be less important after the forthcoming elections.
    Although a return to violence on the streets helps nobody.
    I also think it will be difficult to remove the border.

    Brexit: The NI Protocol and its economic impact
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-60259342?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

    Northern Ireland economic output reached 13 year high in summer
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59981101
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    All that is is a German managing to be as stupid as our Government.

    We do not have to stay as we are. There are choices. All have advantages. And all have disadvantages. We don't have to follow a club's rules. Simply because we are no longer a Member.

    I get tired of politicians banging on about the Good Friday Agreement. As though only 1 side needs to respect it.

    If NI leaves the Single Market, the EU has a choice as to what to do. They can allow free trade between all-Ireland. Or they can put a whacking great border up, pay to maintain it, and tear up the Agreement.

    It's all very well the EU saying Johnson wouldn't dare take NI out of the Single Market. Forgetting he doesn't need to. The DUP will do it for him. The EU need to come to the table to discuss the way forward. For everyone.
    Lets say we dont have any agreement with the EU, and we plan to trade with the rest of the world on WTO rules.
    Would we need a border between us and the EU?
    If so where would it go?
    Once the border was in place, would there be any customs checks?
    Would the DUP be happy?
    There are lots of different ways of achieving this. It doesn't have to be WTO Rules. That is why consensus is important.

    There may well be lots of different answers. There may even be ones you would like.

    But the DUP? No chance :)
    Brexit row explodes as court SUSPENDS new halt on border checks - full challenge ahead



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-row-explodes-as-court-suspends-new-halt-on-border-checks-full-challenge-ahead/ar-AATsWRD?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    All that is is a German managing to be as stupid as our Government.

    We do not have to stay as we are. There are choices. All have advantages. And all have disadvantages. We don't have to follow a club's rules. Simply because we are no longer a Member.

    I get tired of politicians banging on about the Good Friday Agreement. As though only 1 side needs to respect it.

    If NI leaves the Single Market, the EU has a choice as to what to do. They can allow free trade between all-Ireland. Or they can put a whacking great border up, pay to maintain it, and tear up the Agreement.

    It's all very well the EU saying Johnson wouldn't dare take NI out of the Single Market. Forgetting he doesn't need to. The DUP will do it for him. The EU need to come to the table to discuss the way forward. For everyone.
    Lets say we dont have any agreement with the EU, and we plan to trade with the rest of the world on WTO rules.
    Would we need a border between us and the EU?
    If so where would it go?
    Once the border was in place, would there be any customs checks?
    Would the DUP be happy?
    There are lots of different ways of achieving this. It doesn't have to be WTO Rules. That is why consensus is important.

    There may well be lots of different answers. There may even be ones you would like.

    But the DUP? No chance :)
    Despite Mr Poot's orders on Wednesday, officials have continued to implement checks since then.

    They will now continue until at least March 7 when a full court hearing takes place to determine the legality of Mr Poots' instruction.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-row-explodes-as-court-suspends-new-halt-on-border-checks-full-challenge-ahead/ar-AATsWRD?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,924
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    All that is is a German managing to be as stupid as our Government.

    We do not have to stay as we are. There are choices. All have advantages. And all have disadvantages. We don't have to follow a club's rules. Simply because we are no longer a Member.

    I get tired of politicians banging on about the Good Friday Agreement. As though only 1 side needs to respect it.

    If NI leaves the Single Market, the EU has a choice as to what to do. They can allow free trade between all-Ireland. Or they can put a whacking great border up, pay to maintain it, and tear up the Agreement.

    It's all very well the EU saying Johnson wouldn't dare take NI out of the Single Market. Forgetting he doesn't need to. The DUP will do it for him. The EU need to come to the table to discuss the way forward. For everyone.
    Lets say we dont have any agreement with the EU, and we plan to trade with the rest of the world on WTO rules.
    Would we need a border between us and the EU?
    If so where would it go?
    Once the border was in place, would there be any customs checks?
    Would the DUP be happy?
    There are lots of different ways of achieving this. It doesn't have to be WTO Rules. That is why consensus is important.

    There may well be lots of different answers. There may even be ones you would like.

    But the DUP? No chance :)
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/news/brexit-one-year-on-is-life-in-the-uk-better-without-europe/vi-AATtqXg?ocid=msedgntp
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    legascaaclegascaac Member Posts: 135
    BORIS JOHNSTON or BOJO or JORIS BOHNSON whatever you want to call him is just a murderer off 150,000+ PEOPLE /genocide and some **** going to murder or kill him soon a mean 2 MP,S clearly is not enough for the party pm but one off the families that lost someone is going to reach out and touch him in same way hes a disgrace and totally undefendable just like DONALD TRUMP division for the rich and money over peoples lives how anyone can vote for him ever again or the tory's i do not know his slur about pedo saville is a disgraceful and because his murder and rapist police force could not find enough evidence for the CPS to bring to court and what about all the people that suffered at the pedo's hands do they deserve it being dragged up by a PRIME MINISTER HES A SICK PUPPY and this happened on MAGGIE'S shift MONEY TALKS with that lot BBC NEW AS WELL all he does is **** up after **** up time people called enough is enough
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    edited February 2022
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