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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    It is not a "Post-Brexit custom system". It is a Custom system. Quite why the Press continue to bang on as though Brexit is either the Devil or the Shining Knight baffles me. There were no problems when Brexit actually happened (contrary to the Remainers)

    Little or nothing to do with Brexit. Far more to do with our unwillingness to pay the proper money for the necessary equipment. And the lack of ferries.

    Brexit needs to stop being the default excuse or reason for everything bad. Or good.
    ‘Brexit scenarios’ partly to blame for Dover congestion, says ports chief


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-scenarios-partly-to-blame-for-dover-congestion-says-ports-chief/ar-AAW29m3?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dccc9a0947234ca7b332b99c8d441d0e
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Doug Beattie: DUP 'whipping up hysteria'



    Meanwhile, in an attack on his unionist rivals ahead of next month's Stormont elections, Mr Beattie said there was a "sniff of desperation" about the DUP tactics.

    He reiterated his position over not attending rallies in protest at the protocol, stating that he had no control over tensions being risen during the meetings.

    Mr Beattie also claimed his party could win the election, but stated that he wanted intensive talks over a programme for government before he would commit to joining an executive.

    During the election campaign the DUP has repeatedly claimed that Sinn Féin is planning to push for a border poll if it emerges with the most seats after May 5.

    "I think it is absolutely ridiculous that anybody is saying Sinn Féin are going to be working towards a border poll after this election when Sinn Féin have been working towards a border poll since 1998," Mr Beattie said.

    He accused the DUP of "whipping up fear".

    "They are whipping up hysteria," he said.

    "They are trying to scare people into the polling booths because it worked for them before. There is a sniff of desperation about what they are doing and I hope people can see that."

    https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2022/04/11/news/doug-beattie-dup-whipping-up-hysteria--2639142/
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
    It may be a clever plan, but it is not a solution to the problem.
    It is difficult to see a solution that would satisfy both sides of the argument in NI.
    The government are focusing on the customs checks.
    Yet the problem for one side is the very existence of a border which separates NI from the rest of the UK.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
    It may be a clever plan, but it is not a solution to the problem.
    It is difficult to see a solution that would satisfy both sides of the argument in NI.
    The government are focusing on the customs checks.
    Yet the problem for one side is the very existence of a border which separates NI from the rest of the UK.
    That rather depends on what you see as the "problem".

    You (and I) believe the problem is NI.
    Whereas Ms Truss believes the main "problem" is that she is not PM.
    As politicians do.

    That's where I think it is clever. In relation to her "problem". Not the real one...
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    edited April 2022
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
    It may be a clever plan, but it is not a solution to the problem.
    It is difficult to see a solution that would satisfy both sides of the argument in NI.
    The government are focusing on the customs checks.
    Yet the problem for one side is the very existence of a border which separates NI from the rest of the UK.
    That rather depends on what you see as the "problem".

    You (and I) believe the problem is NI.
    Whereas Ms Truss believes the main "problem" is that she is not PM.
    As politicians do.

    That's where I think it is clever. In relation to her "problem". Not the real one...
    She doesnt seem to have shortened up at all in the betting despite Rishi drifting.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader


    These odds are disappointing.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/boris-johnson-exit-date
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    edited April 2022
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
    It may be a clever plan, but it is not a solution to the problem.
    It is difficult to see a solution that would satisfy both sides of the argument in NI.
    The government are focusing on the customs checks.
    Yet the problem for one side is the very existence of a border which separates NI from the rest of the UK.
    That rather depends on what you see as the "problem".

    You (and I) believe the problem is NI.
    Whereas Ms Truss believes the main "problem" is that she is not PM.
    As politicians do.

    That's where I think it is clever. In relation to her "problem". Not the real one...
    She doesnt seem to have shortened up at all in the betting despite Rishi drifting.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader


    These odds are disappointing.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/boris-johnson-exit-date
    Odds are all over the place.

    A professional bettor is going to be looking very carefully at the May elections. Because they are likely to be key in the odds for a lot of people. Not just Boris.

    Take Tugendhat as an example. Those odds are way too short for a 2022 election-he has no significant political experience, coupled with the relatively short time before a General Election..

    But if it is 2024? Those odds look far more attractive.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
    It may be a clever plan, but it is not a solution to the problem.
    It is difficult to see a solution that would satisfy both sides of the argument in NI.
    The government are focusing on the customs checks.
    Yet the problem for one side is the very existence of a border which separates NI from the rest of the UK.
    That rather depends on what you see as the "problem".

    You (and I) believe the problem is NI.
    Whereas Ms Truss believes the main "problem" is that she is not PM.
    As politicians do.

    That's where I think it is clever. In relation to her "problem". Not the real one...
    She doesnt seem to have shortened up at all in the betting despite Rishi drifting.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader


    These odds are disappointing.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/boris-johnson-exit-date
    Odds are all over the place.

    A professional bettor is going to be looking very carefully at the May elections. Because they are likely to be key in the odds for a lot of people. Not just Boris.

    Take Tugendhat as an example. Those odds are way too short for a 2022 election-he has no significant political experience, coupled with the relatively short time before a General Election..

    But if it is 2024? Those odds look far more attractive.
    I suppose the situation has changed.
    The shortest odds for a Boris exit are for 2024, and beyond.
    Whereas the other day the shortest odds were on a sharp exit.
    Assuming Boris stays in place until 2024, who knows what may happen in the meantime.

    It is probably a sad reflection on the quality of this government, as to where the other 2 holders of the 3 Great Offices of State are in the betting.
    I cant see that Liz Truss is astute enough, nor the electorate gullible enough for her to shorten in the betting any further.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    edited April 2022
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
    It may be a clever plan, but it is not a solution to the problem.
    It is difficult to see a solution that would satisfy both sides of the argument in NI.
    The government are focusing on the customs checks.
    Yet the problem for one side is the very existence of a border which separates NI from the rest of the UK.
    That rather depends on what you see as the "problem".

    You (and I) believe the problem is NI.
    Whereas Ms Truss believes the main "problem" is that she is not PM.
    As politicians do.

    That's where I think it is clever. In relation to her "problem". Not the real one...
    She doesnt seem to have shortened up at all in the betting despite Rishi drifting.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader


    These odds are disappointing.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/boris-johnson-exit-date
    Odds are all over the place.

    A professional bettor is going to be looking very carefully at the May elections. Because they are likely to be key in the odds for a lot of people. Not just Boris.

    Take Tugendhat as an example. Those odds are way too short for a 2022 election-he has no significant political experience, coupled with the relatively short time before a General Election..

    But if it is 2024? Those odds look far more attractive.
    I suppose the situation has changed.
    The shortest odds for a Boris exit are for 2024, and beyond.
    Whereas the other day the shortest odds were on a sharp exit.
    Assuming Boris stays in place until 2024, who knows what may happen in the meantime.

    It is probably a sad reflection on the quality of this government, as to where the other 2 holders of the 3 Great Offices of State are in the betting.
    I cant see that Liz Truss is astute enough, nor the electorate gullible enough for her to shorten in the betting any further.
    She is clearly not astute enough. But, if people are confident that they could pull the strings behind her, it is possible. I think you are seriously underestimating just how gullible the electorate are.

    Will her odds drop? I doubt it. But stranger things have happened. Whereas Fishy Rishi's odds are now ridiculously too short. Not many stranger things have happened.

    The real difficulty is-who else is there? If they were to lose the next Election, I think a Tugendhat or similar will emerge.

    But if they win it? Would have to be a short-term Leader with considerable experience. Someone like Zadawi. Or even Gove. Hunt? It would need to be very short-term, for Tories to agree to him. a Gove (or Hunt)/Tugendhat ticket, or some such.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    edited April 2022
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
    It may be a clever plan, but it is not a solution to the problem.
    It is difficult to see a solution that would satisfy both sides of the argument in NI.
    The government are focusing on the customs checks.
    Yet the problem for one side is the very existence of a border which separates NI from the rest of the UK.
    That rather depends on what you see as the "problem".

    You (and I) believe the problem is NI.
    Whereas Ms Truss believes the main "problem" is that she is not PM.
    As politicians do.

    That's where I think it is clever. In relation to her "problem". Not the real one...
    She doesnt seem to have shortened up at all in the betting despite Rishi drifting.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader


    These odds are disappointing.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/boris-johnson-exit-date
    Odds are all over the place.

    A professional bettor is going to be looking very carefully at the May elections. Because they are likely to be key in the odds for a lot of people. Not just Boris.

    Take Tugendhat as an example. Those odds are way too short for a 2022 election-he has no significant political experience, coupled with the relatively short time before a General Election..

    But if it is 2024? Those odds look far more attractive.
    I suppose the situation has changed.
    The shortest odds for a Boris exit are for 2024, and beyond.
    Whereas the other day the shortest odds were on a sharp exit.
    Assuming Boris stays in place until 2024, who knows what may happen in the meantime.

    It is probably a sad reflection on the quality of this government, as to where the other 2 holders of the 3 Great Offices of State are in the betting.
    I cant see that Liz Truss is astute enough, nor the electorate gullible enough for her to shorten in the betting any further.
    She is clearly not astute enough. But, if people are confident that they could pull the strings behind her, it is possible. I think you are seriously underestimating just how gullible the electorate are.

    Will her odds drop? I doubt it. But stranger things have happened. Whereas Fishy Rishi's odds are now ridiculously too short. Not many stranger things have happened.

    The real difficulty is-who else is there? If they were to lose the next Election, I think a Tugendhat or similar will emerge.

    But if they win it? Would have to be a short-term Leader with considerable experience. Someone like Zadawi. Or even Gove. Hunt? It would need to be very short-term, for Tories to agree to him. a Gove (or Hunt)/Tugendhat ticket, or some such.
    There is a lot of water to flow under the bridge between now and 2024.
    We have the local elections, inflation, more energy price increases in October, the Sue Grey report finally being published, all of this could make it very difficult for Boris.
    I would expect the odds to look completely different in 2024, than they do today, assuming he is able to cling on.
    Its a big opportunity for someone to come out of the pack.
    Although they do seem very short of popular characters.

    The Cane Field Killings are calling me.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
    It may be a clever plan, but it is not a solution to the problem.
    It is difficult to see a solution that would satisfy both sides of the argument in NI.
    The government are focusing on the customs checks.
    Yet the problem for one side is the very existence of a border which separates NI from the rest of the UK.
    That rather depends on what you see as the "problem".

    You (and I) believe the problem is NI.
    Whereas Ms Truss believes the main "problem" is that she is not PM.
    As politicians do.

    That's where I think it is clever. In relation to her "problem". Not the real one...
    She doesnt seem to have shortened up at all in the betting despite Rishi drifting.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader


    These odds are disappointing.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/boris-johnson-exit-date
    Odds are all over the place.

    A professional bettor is going to be looking very carefully at the May elections. Because they are likely to be key in the odds for a lot of people. Not just Boris.

    Take Tugendhat as an example. Those odds are way too short for a 2022 election-he has no significant political experience, coupled with the relatively short time before a General Election..

    But if it is 2024? Those odds look far more attractive.
    I suppose the situation has changed.
    The shortest odds for a Boris exit are for 2024, and beyond.
    Whereas the other day the shortest odds were on a sharp exit.
    Assuming Boris stays in place until 2024, who knows what may happen in the meantime.

    It is probably a sad reflection on the quality of this government, as to where the other 2 holders of the 3 Great Offices of State are in the betting.
    I cant see that Liz Truss is astute enough, nor the electorate gullible enough for her to shorten in the betting any further.
    She is clearly not astute enough. But, if people are confident that they could pull the strings behind her, it is possible. I think you are seriously underestimating just how gullible the electorate are.

    Will her odds drop? I doubt it. But stranger things have happened. Whereas Fishy Rishi's odds are now ridiculously too short. Not many stranger things have happened.

    The real difficulty is-who else is there? If they were to lose the next Election, I think a Tugendhat or similar will emerge.

    But if they win it? Would have to be a short-term Leader with considerable experience. Someone like Zadawi. Or even Gove. Hunt? It would need to be very short-term, for Tories to agree to him. a Gove (or Hunt)/Tugendhat ticket, or some such.
    Voices: We spent years arguing about Brexit, but now that there’s lorry chaos – no one mentions it


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-we-spent-years-arguing-about-brexit-but-now-that-there-s-lorry-chaos-no-one-mentions-it/ar-AAW6ke5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=612154838c3b43a68659a100b6c4a706
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Liz Truss plan to boost Northern Ireland trade 'too expensive'


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sunak-blocks-truss-tax-cut-143437848.html

    All this shows is that the idiot Truss has some clever people advising her:-

    1. Come up with an imaginative plan to spend money we haven't got
    2. Wait for the PM/Chancellor to say we can't afford it
    3. Wait for the inevitable protocol problems (only really a question of whether trigger is London/EU/DUP/Sinn Fein)
    4. Point out that you gave then the solution ages ago, and were ignored (as opposed to we don't have the money)

    It's not a bad plan.
    It's quite a disloyal plan.
    But it shows ambition.
    It may be a clever plan, but it is not a solution to the problem.
    It is difficult to see a solution that would satisfy both sides of the argument in NI.
    The government are focusing on the customs checks.
    Yet the problem for one side is the very existence of a border which separates NI from the rest of the UK.
    That rather depends on what you see as the "problem".

    You (and I) believe the problem is NI.
    Whereas Ms Truss believes the main "problem" is that she is not PM.
    As politicians do.

    That's where I think it is clever. In relation to her "problem". Not the real one...
    She doesnt seem to have shortened up at all in the betting despite Rishi drifting.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader


    These odds are disappointing.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/boris-johnson-exit-date
    Odds are all over the place.

    A professional bettor is going to be looking very carefully at the May elections. Because they are likely to be key in the odds for a lot of people. Not just Boris.

    Take Tugendhat as an example. Those odds are way too short for a 2022 election-he has no significant political experience, coupled with the relatively short time before a General Election..

    But if it is 2024? Those odds look far more attractive.
    I suppose the situation has changed.
    The shortest odds for a Boris exit are for 2024, and beyond.
    Whereas the other day the shortest odds were on a sharp exit.
    Assuming Boris stays in place until 2024, who knows what may happen in the meantime.

    It is probably a sad reflection on the quality of this government, as to where the other 2 holders of the 3 Great Offices of State are in the betting.
    I cant see that Liz Truss is astute enough, nor the electorate gullible enough for her to shorten in the betting any further.
    She is clearly not astute enough. But, if people are confident that they could pull the strings behind her, it is possible. I think you are seriously underestimating just how gullible the electorate are.

    Will her odds drop? I doubt it. But stranger things have happened. Whereas Fishy Rishi's odds are now ridiculously too short. Not many stranger things have happened.

    The real difficulty is-who else is there? If they were to lose the next Election, I think a Tugendhat or similar will emerge.

    But if they win it? Would have to be a short-term Leader with considerable experience. Someone like Zadawi. Or even Gove. Hunt? It would need to be very short-term, for Tories to agree to him. a Gove (or Hunt)/Tugendhat ticket, or some such.
    Brexit: Anger over ‘shortfall’ in government funds to replace EU support for disadvantaged regions


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-anger-over-shortfall-in-government-funds-to-replace-eu-support-for-disadvantaged-regions/ar-AAWbQQR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=038bc31246ff4b6b88ba5257c7fbe585
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    Those last 2 articles show the post-Brexit world in which we now live.

    The lorry chaos one? Nonsense. Loads of people are mentioning it. It's just that it has little to do with Brexit. And lots to do with P&O and this Government failing to properly invest in new infrastructure.

    The disadvantaged regions one? Far more relevant. But, sadly, it was always going to be the people who were most in favour of Brexit who were going to come out worst. But-the fault is nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with this Government lying to us. Again.

    I'd like to think that I would trust the British Government about as much as I trust the EU. Which is not a lot.

    A low bar-but 1 that this Government manages to get under.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    Those last 2 articles show the post-Brexit world in which we now live.

    The lorry chaos one? Nonsense. Loads of people are mentioning it. It's just that it has little to do with Brexit. And lots to do with P&O and this Government failing to properly invest in new infrastructure.

    The disadvantaged regions one? Far more relevant. But, sadly, it was always going to be the people who were most in favour of Brexit who were going to come out worst. But-the fault is nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with this Government lying to us. Again.

    I'd like to think that I would trust the British Government about as much as I trust the EU. Which is not a lot.

    A low bar-but 1 that this Government manages to get under.

    They are still showing a great deal of stubbornness to make preparations for the deal they agreed.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    edited April 2022
    Essexphil said:

    Those last 2 articles show the post-Brexit world in which we now live.

    The lorry chaos one? Nonsense. Loads of people are mentioning it. It's just that it has little to do with Brexit. And lots to do with P&O and this Government failing to properly invest in new infrastructure.

    The disadvantaged regions one? Far more relevant. But, sadly, it was always going to be the people who were most in favour of Brexit who were going to come out worst. But-the fault is nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with this Government lying to us. Again.

    I'd like to think that I would trust the British Government about as much as I trust the EU. Which is not a lot.

    A low bar-but 1 that this Government manages to get under.

    Brexit: What's the Northern Ireland Protocol?






    What has the EU proposed?


    The EU says a renegotiation of the text of the protocol is out of the question, but has set out proposals, which include:

    An 80% reduction in checks on food products arriving in Northern Ireland, as well as halving the amount of paperwork involved
    Reducing the customs information firms need to provide
    Passing legislation to allow the trade in medicines between GB and Northern Ireland to continue
    Relaxing rules so chilled meats, such as sausages, could still be sent across the Irish Sea
    In return, the EU wants extra safeguards to prevent products from Great Britain crossing into the Republic of Ireland.




    Why is the Northern Ireland Protocol necessary?
    The border is a sensitive issue because of the history of Northern Ireland and the agreements made to bring peace, which included the removal of visible signs of the border.

    The fear is that if any infrastructure were to be installed, such as cameras or border posts, it could become a target and lead to political instability.

    During negotiations, all sides agreed that protecting the 1998 Northern Ireland peace deal (the Good Friday Agreement) was an absolute priority.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Those last 2 articles show the post-Brexit world in which we now live.

    The lorry chaos one? Nonsense. Loads of people are mentioning it. It's just that it has little to do with Brexit. And lots to do with P&O and this Government failing to properly invest in new infrastructure.

    The disadvantaged regions one? Far more relevant. But, sadly, it was always going to be the people who were most in favour of Brexit who were going to come out worst. But-the fault is nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with this Government lying to us. Again.

    I'd like to think that I would trust the British Government about as much as I trust the EU. Which is not a lot.

    A low bar-but 1 that this Government manages to get under.

    Brexit: What's the Northern Ireland Protocol?






    What has the EU proposed?


    The EU says a renegotiation of the text of the protocol is out of the question, but has set out proposals, which include:

    An 80% reduction in checks on food products arriving in Northern Ireland, as well as halving the amount of paperwork involved
    Reducing the customs information firms need to provide
    Passing legislation to allow the trade in medicines between GB and Northern Ireland to continue
    Relaxing rules so chilled meats, such as sausages, could still be sent across the Irish Sea
    In return, the EU wants extra safeguards to prevent products from Great Britain crossing into the Republic of Ireland.




    Why is the Northern Ireland Protocol necessary?
    The border is a sensitive issue because of the history of Northern Ireland and the agreements made to bring peace, which included the removal of visible signs of the border.

    The fear is that if any infrastructure were to be installed, such as cameras or border posts, it could become a target and lead to political instability.

    During negotiations, all sides agreed that protecting the 1998 Northern Ireland peace deal (the Good Friday Agreement) was an absolute priority.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381
    Got to love politicians.

    Just when you think no-one could possibly match the stupidity of our Government, the EU does exactly that. Only a politician could say both:-

    1. We are not willing to renegotiate the NI protocol; and
    2. These are our proposals to show exactly where we are willing to renegotiate the NI protocol

    And genuinely expect anyone to believe both of these statements.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Those last 2 articles show the post-Brexit world in which we now live.

    The lorry chaos one? Nonsense. Loads of people are mentioning it. It's just that it has little to do with Brexit. And lots to do with P&O and this Government failing to properly invest in new infrastructure.

    The disadvantaged regions one? Far more relevant. But, sadly, it was always going to be the people who were most in favour of Brexit who were going to come out worst. But-the fault is nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with this Government lying to us. Again.

    I'd like to think that I would trust the British Government about as much as I trust the EU. Which is not a lot.

    A low bar-but 1 that this Government manages to get under.

    Brexit: What's the Northern Ireland Protocol?






    What has the EU proposed?


    The EU says a renegotiation of the text of the protocol is out of the question, but has set out proposals, which include:

    An 80% reduction in checks on food products arriving in Northern Ireland, as well as halving the amount of paperwork involved
    Reducing the customs information firms need to provide
    Passing legislation to allow the trade in medicines between GB and Northern Ireland to continue
    Relaxing rules so chilled meats, such as sausages, could still be sent across the Irish Sea
    In return, the EU wants extra safeguards to prevent products from Great Britain crossing into the Republic of Ireland.




    Why is the Northern Ireland Protocol necessary?
    The border is a sensitive issue because of the history of Northern Ireland and the agreements made to bring peace, which included the removal of visible signs of the border.

    The fear is that if any infrastructure were to be installed, such as cameras or border posts, it could become a target and lead to political instability.

    During negotiations, all sides agreed that protecting the 1998 Northern Ireland peace deal (the Good Friday Agreement) was an absolute priority.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381
    Got to love politicians.

    Just when you think no-one could possibly match the stupidity of our Government, the EU does exactly that. Only a politician could say both:-

    1. We are not willing to renegotiate the NI protocol; and
    2. These are our proposals to show exactly where we are willing to renegotiate the NI protocol

    And genuinely expect anyone to believe both of these statements.
    And our side keep claiming that the EU wont move an inch, which is patently untrue.
    Also they have threatened the EU with the triggering of Article 16 for around 9 months, with no action.
    Despite the fact that the EU have bent over backwards to help, they still feel it necessary to continue to unilaterally extend grace periods, rather than implement the agreement they signed.
    Not sure if we are now admitting to the Irish Sea border or not.
    It seems that we could appreciate that to make the whole thing work, NI would have to be left in the SM/CU, yet we cant seem to accept that this means they are subject to SM rules.
    The DUP are insisting that the border has to go, so where could it move to?
    Many people were criticising the EU over the sausages, now some of the same people are criticising them for being sensible, and changing their minds over the same sausages.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Those last 2 articles show the post-Brexit world in which we now live.

    The lorry chaos one? Nonsense. Loads of people are mentioning it. It's just that it has little to do with Brexit. And lots to do with P&O and this Government failing to properly invest in new infrastructure.

    The disadvantaged regions one? Far more relevant. But, sadly, it was always going to be the people who were most in favour of Brexit who were going to come out worst. But-the fault is nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with this Government lying to us. Again.

    I'd like to think that I would trust the British Government about as much as I trust the EU. Which is not a lot.

    A low bar-but 1 that this Government manages to get under.

    Brexit: What's the Northern Ireland Protocol?






    What has the EU proposed?


    The EU says a renegotiation of the text of the protocol is out of the question, but has set out proposals, which include:

    An 80% reduction in checks on food products arriving in Northern Ireland, as well as halving the amount of paperwork involved
    Reducing the customs information firms need to provide
    Passing legislation to allow the trade in medicines between GB and Northern Ireland to continue
    Relaxing rules so chilled meats, such as sausages, could still be sent across the Irish Sea
    In return, the EU wants extra safeguards to prevent products from Great Britain crossing into the Republic of Ireland.




    Why is the Northern Ireland Protocol necessary?
    The border is a sensitive issue because of the history of Northern Ireland and the agreements made to bring peace, which included the removal of visible signs of the border.

    The fear is that if any infrastructure were to be installed, such as cameras or border posts, it could become a target and lead to political instability.

    During negotiations, all sides agreed that protecting the 1998 Northern Ireland peace deal (the Good Friday Agreement) was an absolute priority.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381
    Got to love politicians.

    Just when you think no-one could possibly match the stupidity of our Government, the EU does exactly that. Only a politician could say both:-

    1. We are not willing to renegotiate the NI protocol; and
    2. These are our proposals to show exactly where we are willing to renegotiate the NI protocol

    And genuinely expect anyone to believe both of these statements.
    And our side keep claiming that the EU wont move an inch, which is patently untrue.
    Also they have threatened the EU with the triggering of Article 16 for around 9 months, with no action.
    Despite the fact that the EU have bent over backwards to help, they still feel it necessary to continue to unilaterally extend grace periods, rather than implement the agreement they signed.
    Not sure if we are now admitting to the Irish Sea border or not.
    It seems that we could appreciate that to make the whole thing work, NI would have to be left in the SM/CU, yet we cant seem to accept that this means they are subject to SM rules.
    The DUP are insisting that the border has to go, so where could it move to?
    Many people were criticising the EU over the sausages, now some of the same people are criticising them for being sensible, and changing their minds over the same sausages.
    Agree with most of that.

    The exception is "the EU have bent over backwards to help." No, they haven't. Doing a good job of pretending, but they have similarly stupid red lines. They are not worse than the UK-they are just not better.

    Meanwhile, Northern Ireland becomes increasingly polarised. And not in a good way. The more moderate Parties are being squeezed as the DUP and Sinn Fein seek to take over control. And the UK + EU fuel the fires while fighting their own little control issues.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Those last 2 articles show the post-Brexit world in which we now live.

    The lorry chaos one? Nonsense. Loads of people are mentioning it. It's just that it has little to do with Brexit. And lots to do with P&O and this Government failing to properly invest in new infrastructure.

    The disadvantaged regions one? Far more relevant. But, sadly, it was always going to be the people who were most in favour of Brexit who were going to come out worst. But-the fault is nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with this Government lying to us. Again.

    I'd like to think that I would trust the British Government about as much as I trust the EU. Which is not a lot.

    A low bar-but 1 that this Government manages to get under.

    Brexit: What's the Northern Ireland Protocol?






    What has the EU proposed?


    The EU says a renegotiation of the text of the protocol is out of the question, but has set out proposals, which include:

    An 80% reduction in checks on food products arriving in Northern Ireland, as well as halving the amount of paperwork involved
    Reducing the customs information firms need to provide
    Passing legislation to allow the trade in medicines between GB and Northern Ireland to continue
    Relaxing rules so chilled meats, such as sausages, could still be sent across the Irish Sea
    In return, the EU wants extra safeguards to prevent products from Great Britain crossing into the Republic of Ireland.




    Why is the Northern Ireland Protocol necessary?
    The border is a sensitive issue because of the history of Northern Ireland and the agreements made to bring peace, which included the removal of visible signs of the border.

    The fear is that if any infrastructure were to be installed, such as cameras or border posts, it could become a target and lead to political instability.

    During negotiations, all sides agreed that protecting the 1998 Northern Ireland peace deal (the Good Friday Agreement) was an absolute priority.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381
    Got to love politicians.

    Just when you think no-one could possibly match the stupidity of our Government, the EU does exactly that. Only a politician could say both:-

    1. We are not willing to renegotiate the NI protocol; and
    2. These are our proposals to show exactly where we are willing to renegotiate the NI protocol

    And genuinely expect anyone to believe both of these statements.
    And our side keep claiming that the EU wont move an inch, which is patently untrue.
    Also they have threatened the EU with the triggering of Article 16 for around 9 months, with no action.
    Despite the fact that the EU have bent over backwards to help, they still feel it necessary to continue to unilaterally extend grace periods, rather than implement the agreement they signed.
    Not sure if we are now admitting to the Irish Sea border or not.
    It seems that we could appreciate that to make the whole thing work, NI would have to be left in the SM/CU, yet we cant seem to accept that this means they are subject to SM rules.
    The DUP are insisting that the border has to go, so where could it move to?
    Many people were criticising the EU over the sausages, now some of the same people are criticising them for being sensible, and changing their minds over the same sausages.
    Agree with most of that.

    The exception is "the EU have bent over backwards to help." No, they haven't. Doing a good job of pretending, but they have similarly stupid red lines. They are not worse than the UK-they are just not better.

    Meanwhile, Northern Ireland becomes increasingly polarised. And not in a good way. The more moderate Parties are being squeezed as the DUP and Sinn Fein seek to take over control. And the UK + EU fuel the fires while fighting their own little control issues.
    The thing about the stupid red lines is that they may be stupid, and red lines, but they are not new, stupid, red lines.
    These are old, stupid, red lines, which existed in regard to third countries, while we were members for all those years.
    Stupid red lines that we were aware of when we decided to leave.
    We just decided these stupid red lines wouldnt apply to us, when we became a third country.
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