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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    "Tragedy of Brexit".

    Says the half-German artist. Who has decided he would rather be German for tax purposes.

    Fair enough. I respect every man's right to decide his nationality based on taxation. If that is more important than being British, that is his decision. That and sucking up to the French Government, offering to do an artwork slagging off Britain. In return for large amounts of cash, obviously.

    I also look forward to him giving back his OBE...
    Liz Truss dubbed ‘Brexit Queen’ after Cabinet clash over Northern Ireland


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/liz-truss-dubbed-brexit-queen-203300928.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    "Tragedy of Brexit".

    Says the half-German artist. Who has decided he would rather be German for tax purposes.

    Fair enough. I respect every man's right to decide his nationality based on taxation. If that is more important than being British, that is his decision. That and sucking up to the French Government, offering to do an artwork slagging off Britain. In return for large amounts of cash, obviously.

    I also look forward to him giving back his OBE...
    Liz Truss dubbed ‘Brexit Queen’ after Cabinet clash over Northern Ireland


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/liz-truss-dubbed-brexit-queen-203300928.html
    NI Protocol legislation could have ‘colossal economic impact’, O’Neill warns


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ni-protocol-legislation-could-colossal-194140695.html


    Ireland Sticks the Boot Into Boris Johnson Over Brexit Deal


    https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/ireland-accuses-johnson-acting-bad-085452917.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    edited June 2022
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Former government lawyer dismisses UK argument over Northern Ireland Protocol



    But Sir Jonathan Jones, who quit the government in 2020 over plans to overwrite parts of the Brexit agreement, said it “remains to be seen” whether the plans are compatible with international law.

    Pressed on whether a potential “legal justification” for overriding the Protocol could be preventing the Good Friday Agreement being undermined, Mr Jones said: “I’ve heard and seen that as a possible argument.

    “We have to wait and see what the government says. I think it’s likely to be problematic that argument because after all the government knew about the Good Friday Agreement when it entered into withdrawal agreement, including the Protocol.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/former-government-lawyer-dismisses-uk-argument-over-northern-ireland-protocol/ar-AAYgIyE?bk=1&bk=1&ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3837db9136e34f399ee35b4b0fd640e5
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    "Tragedy of Brexit".

    Says the half-German artist. Who has decided he would rather be German for tax purposes.

    Fair enough. I respect every man's right to decide his nationality based on taxation. If that is more important than being British, that is his decision. That and sucking up to the French Government, offering to do an artwork slagging off Britain. In return for large amounts of cash, obviously.

    I also look forward to him giving back his OBE...
    BBC says sorry for reporting that Antony Gormley was giving up his British nationality over Brexit


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bbc-says-sorry-for-reporting-that-antony-gormley-was-giving-up-his-british-nationality-over-brexit/ar-AAYhHIC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=38eaa2ea79954324aa863a8f5e80cfdd
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    edited June 2022
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    "Tragedy of Brexit".

    Says the half-German artist. Who has decided he would rather be German for tax purposes.

    Fair enough. I respect every man's right to decide his nationality based on taxation. If that is more important than being British, that is his decision. That and sucking up to the French Government, offering to do an artwork slagging off Britain. In return for large amounts of cash, obviously.

    I also look forward to him giving back his OBE...
    BBC says sorry for reporting that Antony Gormley was giving up his British nationality over Brexit


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bbc-says-sorry-for-reporting-that-antony-gormley-was-giving-up-his-british-nationality-over-brexit/ar-AAYhHIC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=38eaa2ea79954324aa863a8f5e80cfdd
    Or, to put it another way.

    He wants to keep his OBE.

    Don't blame him. Must help him sell his services. Perfectly legal.

    Still sticks in the craw that someone honoured for outstanding service to his country should then go out of his way to seek to sl ag us off. He could have at least sought dual nationality less publicly...
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.


    Labour promises to ‘scrap’ PM’s protocol override law, as rebel Tories vow to block bill


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-promises-to-scrap-pm-s-protocol-override-law-as-rebel-tories-vow-to-block-bill/ar-AAYicXV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
    The Centre is not exactly unbiased. Here is how it describes itself, on its own website:-

    "The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union."

    So-it states that it believes the EU does not work perfectly. And gives as an example that the EU should do more (and therefore individual members less) on climate change and security.

    So-this think tank just believes the pandemic is largely irrelevant? Really?

    What next? Ireland should jointly govern Northern Ireland?

    No. Sinn Fein have already proposed that.

    This sort of stuff is no different to Right Wing people believing everything Breitbart says. Just people shoehorning stuff to fit their narrative.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
    The Centre is not exactly unbiased. Here is how it describes itself, on its own website:-

    "The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union."

    So-it states that it believes the EU does not work perfectly. And gives as an example that the EU should do more (and therefore individual members less) on climate change and security.

    So-this think tank just believes the pandemic is largely irrelevant? Really?

    What next? Ireland should jointly govern Northern Ireland?

    No. Sinn Fein have already proposed that.

    This sort of stuff is no different to Right Wing people believing everything Breitbart says. Just people shoehorning stuff to fit their narrative.
    Jeremy Hunt woos Brexiteers with pledge to scrap Irish Sea trade border


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-hunt-woos-brexiteers-with-pledge-to-scrap-irish-sea-trade-border/ar-AAYlRc7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f5df452ea96545b5b946f4fb593ef20b

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
    The Centre is not exactly unbiased. Here is how it describes itself, on its own website:-

    "The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union."

    So-it states that it believes the EU does not work perfectly. And gives as an example that the EU should do more (and therefore individual members less) on climate change and security.

    So-this think tank just believes the pandemic is largely irrelevant? Really?

    What next? Ireland should jointly govern Northern Ireland?

    No. Sinn Fein have already proposed that.

    This sort of stuff is no different to Right Wing people believing everything Breitbart says. Just people shoehorning stuff to fit their narrative.
    A massive amount of sh1t will be hitting the fan tomorrow in regard to the protocol.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
    The Centre is not exactly unbiased. Here is how it describes itself, on its own website:-

    "The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union."

    So-it states that it believes the EU does not work perfectly. And gives as an example that the EU should do more (and therefore individual members less) on climate change and security.

    So-this think tank just believes the pandemic is largely irrelevant? Really?

    What next? Ireland should jointly govern Northern Ireland?

    No. Sinn Fein have already proposed that.

    This sort of stuff is no different to Right Wing people believing everything Breitbart says. Just people shoehorning stuff to fit their narrative.
    A massive amount of sh1t will be hitting the fan tomorrow in regard to the protocol.
    I hope not.
    But I fear you are right.
    From all sides. Including the UK.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
    The Centre is not exactly unbiased. Here is how it describes itself, on its own website:-

    "The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union."

    So-it states that it believes the EU does not work perfectly. And gives as an example that the EU should do more (and therefore individual members less) on climate change and security.

    So-this think tank just believes the pandemic is largely irrelevant? Really?

    What next? Ireland should jointly govern Northern Ireland?

    No. Sinn Fein have already proposed that.

    This sort of stuff is no different to Right Wing people believing everything Breitbart says. Just people shoehorning stuff to fit their narrative.
    A massive amount of sh1t will be hitting the fan tomorrow in regard to the protocol.
    I hope not.
    But I fear you are right.
    From all sides. Including the UK.
    I watched Sophie Ridge this morning.
    Brandon Lewis was probably lying through his teeth.
    Sinn Fein made sense.
    The EU will not be happy.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
    The Centre is not exactly unbiased. Here is how it describes itself, on its own website:-

    "The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union."

    So-it states that it believes the EU does not work perfectly. And gives as an example that the EU should do more (and therefore individual members less) on climate change and security.

    So-this think tank just believes the pandemic is largely irrelevant? Really?

    What next? Ireland should jointly govern Northern Ireland?

    No. Sinn Fein have already proposed that.

    This sort of stuff is no different to Right Wing people believing everything Breitbart says. Just people shoehorning stuff to fit their narrative.
    A massive amount of sh1t will be hitting the fan tomorrow in regard to the protocol.
    I hope not.
    But I fear you are right.
    From all sides. Including the UK.
    If you didnt see it, there is probably a reasonable summary on The Take.
    On the video below, this starts at 1.11.20.

    Sophy Ridge on Sunday: Brandon Lewis, Rachel Reeves, Mary Lou McDonald and Mark Serwotka

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URlXTy0vAYk
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
    The Centre is not exactly unbiased. Here is how it describes itself, on its own website:-

    "The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union."

    So-it states that it believes the EU does not work perfectly. And gives as an example that the EU should do more (and therefore individual members less) on climate change and security.

    So-this think tank just believes the pandemic is largely irrelevant? Really?

    What next? Ireland should jointly govern Northern Ireland?

    No. Sinn Fein have already proposed that.

    This sort of stuff is no different to Right Wing people believing everything Breitbart says. Just people shoehorning stuff to fit their narrative.
    A massive amount of sh1t will be hitting the fan tomorrow in regard to the protocol.
    I hope not.
    But I fear you are right.
    From all sides. Including the UK.
    Is Brexit working? Four key tests


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/is-brexit-working-four-key-tests/ar-AAYmjEC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0a966c7597fa4398b8357bbea3d076e1
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
    The Centre is not exactly unbiased. Here is how it describes itself, on its own website:-

    "The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union."

    So-it states that it believes the EU does not work perfectly. And gives as an example that the EU should do more (and therefore individual members less) on climate change and security.

    So-this think tank just believes the pandemic is largely irrelevant? Really?

    What next? Ireland should jointly govern Northern Ireland?

    No. Sinn Fein have already proposed that.

    This sort of stuff is no different to Right Wing people believing everything Breitbart says. Just people shoehorning stuff to fit their narrative.
    A massive amount of sh1t will be hitting the fan tomorrow in regard to the protocol.
    I hope not.
    But I fear you are right.
    From all sides. Including the UK.
    Boris Johnson told to reveal secret legal sources behind government’s Northern Ireland protocol legislation


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-told-reveal-secret-151725077.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There is some truth in what Lord Frost says about the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement as things currently stand.

    But the problems leading up to the Protocol were:-

    1. There was a political imperative for the Cons to "get Brexit done"-at pretty much any cost. Which was always going to cause weakness in our negotiating stance

    2. We had "negotiators" who were either lazy (eg Davis) or clueless (eg Frost)

    The Protocol is just a polished tu rd.

    Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d76e7f20f1694362f7a452355d757f0f
    The Centre is not exactly unbiased. Here is how it describes itself, on its own website:-

    "The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union."

    So-it states that it believes the EU does not work perfectly. And gives as an example that the EU should do more (and therefore individual members less) on climate change and security.

    So-this think tank just believes the pandemic is largely irrelevant? Really?

    What next? Ireland should jointly govern Northern Ireland?

    No. Sinn Fein have already proposed that.

    This sort of stuff is no different to Right Wing people believing everything Breitbart says. Just people shoehorning stuff to fit their narrative.
    A massive amount of sh1t will be hitting the fan tomorrow in regard to the protocol.
    I hope not.
    But I fear you are right.
    From all sides. Including the UK.
    Brexit LIVE: 'Horrified' Tories to fight against Truss as party on brink of civil war


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-live-horrified-tories-to-fight-against-truss-as-party-on-brink-of-civil-war/ar-AAYmA6E?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=92fbb9c27c854fd2ba6d59eac212293b
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