If you are playing high stakes poker, the money is often irrelevant to them too. We had the likes of Jerry Buss playing poker pro's. He was worth $600m. A call of like $30k was the equivalent of £2 game to me. I dont recall him calling with Jack hi though.
I think that in the above example, it happens now and then someone does this. The problem with it is, i have yet to see such play ever lose. We have all seen it in freerolls. Ive never seen a hand with cards left to come, where its so extreme, that ive thought wow hes just gave that away completely for free... whatever they need, its always binked in.
Now if they had lost the majority of the time and some had won... that would mirror what you would expect... when they simply never are losing, thats another thing altogether and this is why players rant....
The freerolls are littered with these, we know this....
We all play the freerolls, you see some crazy play, but it's common because people don't care, I also play microstakes and that is the nature of the beast- if the same thing happened at high stakes- yes it would raise questions,
I'm don't know why I'm getting involved but you seem to be suggesting that this rudimentary, automated software has a coordinated vendetta against you? They make millions with minimal need for employees, but there's code to make you lose a few super specific yet elaborate scenarios at microstakes?
I get it, humans have evolved to see and predict patterns but I think you're pretty far down the rabbit hole and you've lost perspective.
But just to play devils advocate, what if you're losing BECAUSE you're getting too close to the truth! Losing 1 in 3 microstakes games? Sounds like a grand conspiracy!
I win because i have adapted my game to play small ball poker, much like the boy Negreanu... i dont want to be all in with cards left to come. Many decisions would be completely different with a real deck and i often have to go against correct play.
Some players have seen me post this and the likes of Hellisio, Lovey and indeed the awful Hifi in the example above just want to create all in situations with cards to come most hands, which i have to go along with and make a stand.... otherwise id be blown away... they are unable to admit it, but they survive most mistakes they make... then like to be gobby when they win...
Real deck the odds say over time id want to play them as often as they liked... online, its games to avoid, unfortunately. Its a completely different game, constant crazy outcomes, correct play becomes incorrect play, its all about adapting to be able to win and recognising what route the hand is likely to go.... like flopping the nut hi straight, etc, which we have discussed what happens there in hi lo.
I see my opponents win with it... but ive had one win in hundreds of examples, so its clear to me how to play this hand... completely differently to if ive got some plastic cards in my hand.....
The bed had a small bit of fluff on the duvet and i felt like people were watching me when i left the hotel room..... id have complained but i could barely see over the hotel front desk.
here we have my old friend Sean1960, who plays hold em with a game of hi lo. I know what he has due to notes most hands as his bets reflect this.
I know if he flops a flush draw here, hes betting max on flop.... and he checks... so when flush comes turn, i know the max bet then means bluff.... its black and white with this guy believe. If somehow im wrong, i have outs.
Can the deck produce a split pot, as hes calling off all his money just to get it back with no profit if he does...if....
Oh it can do better than that my good friends!
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
sean1960
Small blind
50.00
50.00
1610.00
TheWaddy
Big blind
100.00
150.00
1240.00
Your hole cards
K
J
K
9
sean1960
Raise
150.00
300.00
1460.00
TheWaddy
Call
100.00
400.00
1140.00
Flop
10
2
K
TheWaddy
Check
sean1960
Check
Turn
8
TheWaddy
Check
sean1960
Bet
400.00
800.00
1060.00
TheWaddy
All-in
1140.00
1940.00
0.00
sean1960
Call
740.00
2680.00
320.00
sean1960
Show
6
3
A
Q
TheWaddy
Show
K
J
K
9
River
J
sean1960
Win high
Straight to the Ace
2680.00
3000.00
No qualifying low hand
Its great for rake in cash, keeps the poorer player on site and it entertains the gambler! Does what it says on the tin!
Just yet another example of why correct play is wrong online, if there are cards left to come. Sometimes you get caught in the moment and do the correct play... and then realise... doh! we are playing online.....
I make it a 7.5% chance. This means that when we have this situation, he will scoop 7.5 times in every 100 times i get him in this sort of situation. The reason the all in with cards to come is wrong online, is that these odds do not exist.
Everyone knows this! You do! Its just that a forum offers you a meaning to live and you refuse to acknowledge it in case your 'friends' disown you!
It can take just one game to see what they do, i do my notes on the first game i play with them and adjust if something differs in next games.... the guy didnt change in any games, its really simple.
Each game can take up to 50mins... 6 games can be like 5hrs of play. If someone is not mixing it up and being so black and white, the notes can be spot on.
I have notes on all ive played and its rare i feel the need to update them. Hence a lot of hands posted here, where EssexPhil and the likes just look at the hands, the odds, the information available to them AFTER the hand...ignore what i might know about the opponent... and get their 'expert analysis' badly wrong....
The last 2 posted hands with Hifi and Sean1960, i made the error of knowing exactly where i was in the hand, making the correct play with real deck odds..... only to oversight the fact its an online deck with cards left to come.... Its a problem, the sheer amount of 7.5% chances and below that come in...
The chips went in when you were 40% to scoop, you had no lo hand but dont let that blind your judgement. You were 92.75 for the low, nice check on the flop to allow your opponent to see a low card, and gain equity
Ive had to tread water for about a week due to these long shots coming in. We all know online we have these long runs of sub 6% rivers coming in on a regular basis.
As odds dictate we should have more likely long runs of the 94% chance holding up at other times..... why does that actually NEVER happen?
So you think you were 94% to scoop the pot? You really need to look on Omaha calculator to see that you weren't. When the chips went in you're gonna get your money back most of the time, 40% you scoop. Dont know where you get your calculations from, but then you never show a hand history when you are as big a favourite as you say. Maybe stick to Omaha?
The chips went in when you were 40% to scoop, you had no lo hand but dont let that blind your judgement. You were 92.75 for the low, nice check on the flop to allow your opponent to see a low card, and gain equity
Please stop posting on my thread, your a bit creepy and get everything wrong.
Like you do? I mean you keep saying that you keep losing, but you dont, you win nearly 70% heads up, so you're not getting unlucky all the time, you just post specific hands wanting some sympathy which you're not going to get. As for posting on here, it's a free forum, you dont run it so I will post on here to call you out as a bullsh1tter. And your self ban didnt last long did it, still calling it a rigged site, play In a casino if you're not happy with a rng deck
Surely there must be a day when a gambling site offers to be able to wager on outcomes of their audited decks.
I could make so much more from gambling on those hands where you know the outcomes.... there are games where the fantastic odds have come in so many times, you know the next few are an absolute given.
When its just not simply allowing any giveaways from opponents, you could be like betting on 4-1, 4-1, 8-1, 4-1, 8-1 in a single heads up time after time.
Just played a game where this had happened, so when my final few chips went in with AA39, the flop is QJ2... and he has 9 10 3 7.... i absolutely know he will hit his straight.... can i not bet on something 100% going to happen, which they say is only going to happen true to odds?
You get one of your dream opponents, but then just get battered by a constant stream of unlikely outcomes.
Can we get real about this? There is a solution if they truly believe in their decks.
Time to put their money where their mouth is, then everyone is happy!
Yeah i think i would be more interested in backing the hands at the proper odds rather than insurance...... If anyones ever played heads up poker, there are simply games that even if you are 2500-500 ahead, you absolutely know theres no possible way you can win that game.
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I think that in the above example, it happens now and then someone does this. The problem with it is, i have yet to see such play ever lose. We have all seen it in freerolls. Ive never seen a hand with cards left to come, where its so extreme, that ive thought wow hes just gave that away completely for free... whatever they need, its always binked in.
Now if they had lost the majority of the time and some had won... that would mirror what you would expect... when they simply never are losing, thats another thing altogether and this is why players rant....
The freerolls are littered with these, we know this....
Some players have seen me post this and the likes of Hellisio, Lovey and indeed the awful Hifi in the example above just want to create all in situations with cards to come most hands, which i have to go along with and make a stand.... otherwise id be blown away... they are unable to admit it, but they survive most mistakes they make... then like to be gobby when they win...
Real deck the odds say over time id want to play them as often as they liked... online, its games to avoid, unfortunately. Its a completely different game, constant crazy outcomes, correct play becomes incorrect play, its all about adapting to be able to win and recognising what route the hand is likely to go.... like flopping the nut hi straight, etc, which we have discussed what happens there in hi lo.
I see my opponents win with it... but ive had one win in hundreds of examples, so its clear to me how to play this hand... completely differently to if ive got some plastic cards in my hand.....
I know if he flops a flush draw here, hes betting max on flop.... and he checks... so when flush comes turn, i know the max bet then means bluff.... its black and white with this guy believe. If somehow im wrong, i have outs.
Can the deck produce a split pot, as hes calling off all his money just to get it back with no profit if he does...if....
Oh it can do better than that my good friends!
I make it a 7.5% chance. This means that when we have this situation, he will scoop 7.5 times in every 100 times i get him in this sort of situation. The reason the all in with cards to come is wrong online, is that these odds do not exist.
Everyone knows this! You do! Its just that a forum offers you a meaning to live and you refuse to acknowledge it in case your 'friends' disown you!
Each game can take up to 50mins... 6 games can be like 5hrs of play. If someone is not mixing it up and being so black and white, the notes can be spot on.
I have notes on all ive played and its rare i feel the need to update them. Hence a lot of hands posted here, where EssexPhil and the likes just look at the hands, the odds, the information available to them AFTER the hand...ignore what i might know about the opponent... and get their 'expert analysis' badly wrong....
The last 2 posted hands with Hifi and Sean1960, i made the error of knowing exactly where i was in the hand, making the correct play with real deck odds..... only to oversight the fact its an online deck with cards left to come.... Its a problem, the sheer amount of 7.5% chances and below that come in...
Please dont comment on my posts again, youre a bit creepy and get everything wrong.
As odds dictate we should have more likely long runs of the 94% chance holding up at other times..... why does that actually NEVER happen?
Your a bit creepy and get everything wrong.
I could make so much more from gambling on those hands where you know the outcomes.... there are games where the fantastic odds have come in so many times, you know the next few are an absolute given.
When its just not simply allowing any giveaways from opponents, you could be like betting on 4-1, 4-1, 8-1, 4-1, 8-1 in a single heads up time after time.
Just played a game where this had happened, so when my final few chips went in with AA39, the flop is QJ2... and he has 9 10 3 7.... i absolutely know he will hit his straight.... can i not bet on something 100% going to happen, which they say is only going to happen true to odds?
You get one of your dream opponents, but then just get battered by a constant stream of unlikely outcomes.
Can we get real about this? There is a solution if they truly believe in their decks.
Time to put their money where their mouth is, then everyone is happy!