Highlighting small parts of the chat box and MTT, is just a small part.... can we address all the main info now? Or you just going to pick the small parts you can explain?..... I mean you profess 'to be fair'.... yet the main core of the post you have ignored.
Does the fact that he includes the statement 'This is not a 'rig' claim' in what is quite clearly a rig claim, make this acceptable?
Personally, I think the accusations that the Sky RNG is rigged against him is one thing but claiming that another player is cheating on an open forum is totally unacceptable.
Correct.
Hopefully it was just a misunderstanding, & @TheWaddy will correct & retract his comments.
I would imagine a 'rig' claim would involve the site somehow. I have not mentioned or suggested this in any way in this observation of Helissio2.
In my games, this guy has displayed impossible plays, for someone displaying these graphs. I have just seen him raise, get reraised... and ended up all in HU with low blinds... with KK34 on a 8 5 7 flop... As it happened his opponent held just A3 and no hi .... all in from a nothing pot, low blinds.
This is not sky rocketing no swing graphs play... its erratic, big swing graph play.
The patterns of play during my games, are just as such that he knows my holdings, absolutely incredible of i have not seen even by the best on tv. Hes smashing it but still playing £2. Hes massively gambling it up, like above, unless he knows your cards.... so his graph should represent this style. Up and down.
A guy can question how someones calling a one off hand with a Jack High on a wide audience world tv show, but i cant query how on earth this guy is doing this with play such as this in a forum?
It is of course, always the same kangaroo court on the forum. Another reg forum-er posting the same thing, it would have a completely different reaction.
There is alot to answer here, just pointing out hes played a big amount of hold em freerolls tounrs is not really putting it to bed is it?
He can't admit his wrong. If helissio know his opponents hold cards he'd be winning 100% of wouldn't he waddy? But that isn't the case. He wins roughly the same as you, but noone accuses you of cheating do they? Are you going to make anymore wild accusations that you cant back up?
Does the fact that he includes the statement 'This is not a 'rig' claim' in what is quite clearly a rig claim, make this acceptable?
Personally, I think the accusations that the Sky RNG is rigged against him is one thing but claiming that another player is cheating on an open forum is totally unacceptable.
Correct.
Hopefully it was just a misunderstanding, & @TheWaddy will correct & retract his comments.
I would imagine a 'rig' claim would involve the site somehow. I have not mentioned or suggested this in any way in this observation of Helissio2.
In my games, this guy has displayed impossible plays, for someone displaying these graphs. I have just seen him raise, get reraised... and ended up all in HU with low blinds... with KK34 on a 8 5 7 flop... As it happened his opponent held just A3 and no hi .... all in from a nothing pot, low blinds.
This is not sky rocketing no swing graphs play... its erratic, big swing graph play.
The patterns of play during my games, are just as such that he knows my holdings, absolutely incredible of i have not seen even by the best on tv. Hes smashing it but still playing £2. Hes massively gambling it up, like above, unless he knows your cards.... so his graph should represent this style. Up and down.
A guy can question how someones calling a one off hand with a Jack High on a wide audience world tv show, but i cant query how on earth this guy is doing this with play such as this in a forum?
It is of course, always the same kangaroo court on the forum. Another reg forum-er posting the same thing, it would have a completely different reaction.
There is alot to answer here, just pointing out hes played a big amount of hold em freerolls tounrs is not really putting it to bed is it?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
Misstake
Small blind
10.00
10.00
1510.00
Helissio2
Big blind
20.00
30.00
1460.00
Your hole cards
3
K
4
K
Misstake
Call
10.00
40.00
1500.00
Helissio2
Raise
40.00
80.00
1420.00
Misstake
Call
40.00
120.00
1460.00
Flop
7
5
8
Helissio2
Bet
90.00
210.00
1330.00
Misstake
Call
90.00
300.00
1370.00
Turn
2
Helissio2
Bet
300.00
600.00
1030.00
Misstake
Raise
1200.00
1800.00
170.00
Helissio2
All-in
1030.00
2830.00
0.00
Misstake
Call
130.00
2960.00
40.00
Misstake
Show
3
3
6
A
Helissio2
Show
3
K
4
K
River
7
Helissio2
Win high
Two Pairs, Kings and 7s
1480.00
1480.00
Misstake
Win low
7-low
1480.00
1520.00
This is the hand TheWaddy is crying about.
And the reason you are calling the raise that is telling you one hand is definitley beaten.... and the other is more than probably beaten? Heads up? Which you do with me allllll the time? But have a massively winning graph with this constant erratic play....
Does the fact that he includes the statement 'This is not a 'rig' claim' in what is quite clearly a rig claim, make this acceptable?
Personally, I think the accusations that the Sky RNG is rigged against him is one thing but claiming that another player is cheating on an open forum is totally unacceptable.
Correct.
Hopefully it was just a misunderstanding, & @TheWaddy will correct & retract his comments.
I would imagine a 'rig' claim would involve the site somehow. I have not mentioned or suggested this in any way in this observation of Helissio2.
In my games, this guy has displayed impossible plays, for someone displaying these graphs. I have just seen him raise, get reraised... and ended up all in HU with low blinds... with KK34 on a 8 5 7 flop... As it happened his opponent held just A3 and no hi .... all in from a nothing pot, low blinds.
This is not sky rocketing no swing graphs play... its erratic, big swing graph play.
The patterns of play during my games, are just as such that he knows my holdings, absolutely incredible of i have not seen even by the best on tv. Hes smashing it but still playing £2. Hes massively gambling it up, like above, unless he knows your cards.... so his graph should represent this style. Up and down.
A guy can question how someones calling a one off hand with a Jack High on a wide audience world tv show, but i cant query how on earth this guy is doing this with play such as this in a forum?
It is of course, always the same kangaroo court on the forum. Another reg forum-er posting the same thing, it would have a completely different reaction.
There is alot to answer here, just pointing out hes played a big amount of hold em freerolls tounrs is not really putting it to bed is it?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
Misstake
Small blind
10.00
10.00
1510.00
Helissio2
Big blind
20.00
30.00
1460.00
Your hole cards
3
K
4
K
Misstake
Call
10.00
40.00
1500.00
Helissio2
Raise
40.00
80.00
1420.00
Misstake
Call
40.00
120.00
1460.00
Flop
7
5
8
Helissio2
Bet
90.00
210.00
1330.00
Misstake
Call
90.00
300.00
1370.00
Turn
2
Helissio2
Bet
300.00
600.00
1030.00
Misstake
Raise
1200.00
1800.00
170.00
Helissio2
All-in
1030.00
2830.00
0.00
Misstake
Call
130.00
2960.00
40.00
Misstake
Show
3
3
6
A
Helissio2
Show
3
K
4
K
River
7
Helissio2
Win high
Two Pairs, Kings and 7s
1480.00
1480.00
Misstake
Win low
7-low
1480.00
1520.00
This is the hand TheWaddy is crying about.
And the reason you are calling the raise that is telling you one hand is definitley beaten.... and the other is more than probably beaten? Heads up? Which you do with me allllll the time? But have a massively winning graph with this constant erratic play....
Calling that bet after the turn - according to the omaha odds calculator, i had the odds to call. 49% EV
Winning £5 a day (or w/e) over a few years without any real swings is basically what you'd expect a good micro stakes players graph to look like, nearly every high volume sng graph is either a straight line up or down, its just the nature of double or nothing games being low variance.
Maybe an apology would be in order Waddy as the ‘evidence’ you have provided has been proven to be bunkum
He certainly doesn’t have to explain anything I would offer a possible reason why he doesn’t move up. If he’s anything like me then he sees that he can make a nice amount of money at lower stakes. Other than when you start abusing him needlessly, it’s stress free.
Does the fact that he includes the statement 'This is not a 'rig' claim' in what is quite clearly a rig claim, make this acceptable?
Personally, I think the accusations that the Sky RNG is rigged against him is one thing but claiming that another player is cheating on an open forum is totally unacceptable.
Correct.
Hopefully it was just a misunderstanding, & @TheWaddy will correct & retract his comments.
I would imagine a 'rig' claim would involve the site somehow. I have not mentioned or suggested this in any way in this observation of Helissio2.
In my games, this guy has displayed impossible plays, for someone displaying these graphs. I have just seen him raise, get reraised... and ended up all in HU with low blinds... with KK34 on a 8 5 7 flop... As it happened his opponent held just A3 and no hi .... all in from a nothing pot, low blinds.
This is not sky rocketing no swing graphs play... its erratic, big swing graph play.
The patterns of play during my games, are just as such that he knows my holdings, absolutely incredible of i have not seen even by the best on tv. Hes smashing it but still playing £2. Hes massively gambling it up, like above, unless he knows your cards.... so his graph should represent this style. Up and down.
A guy can question how someones calling a one off hand with a Jack High on a wide audience world tv show, but i cant query how on earth this guy is doing this with play such as this in a forum?
It is of course, always the same kangaroo court on the forum. Another reg forum-er posting the same thing, it would have a completely different reaction.
There is alot to answer here, just pointing out hes played a big amount of hold em freerolls tounrs is not really putting it to bed is it?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
Misstake
Small blind
10.00
10.00
1510.00
Helissio2
Big blind
20.00
30.00
1460.00
Your hole cards
3
K
4
K
Misstake
Call
10.00
40.00
1500.00
Helissio2
Raise
40.00
80.00
1420.00
Misstake
Call
40.00
120.00
1460.00
Flop
7
5
8
Helissio2
Bet
90.00
210.00
1330.00
Misstake
Call
90.00
300.00
1370.00
Turn
2
Helissio2
Bet
300.00
600.00
1030.00
Misstake
Raise
1200.00
1800.00
170.00
Helissio2
All-in
1030.00
2830.00
0.00
Misstake
Call
130.00
2960.00
40.00
Misstake
Show
3
3
6
A
Helissio2
Show
3
K
4
K
River
7
Helissio2
Win high
Two Pairs, Kings and 7s
1480.00
1480.00
Misstake
Win low
7-low
1480.00
1520.00
This is the hand TheWaddy is crying about.
And the reason you are calling the raise that is telling you one hand is definitley beaten.... and the other is more than probably beaten? Heads up? Which you do with me allllll the time? But have a massively winning graph with this constant erratic play....
Calling that bet after the turn - according to the omaha odds calculator, i had the odds to call. 49% EV
You didnt know what he had though did you, to make that decision and to know thats the odds you were facing... its a classic EssexPhil nonsense comment, with just the info AFTER the hand that couldnt possibly form any part of your decision... Or maybe you did know.....
Does the fact that he includes the statement 'This is not a 'rig' claim' in what is quite clearly a rig claim, make this acceptable?
Personally, I think the accusations that the Sky RNG is rigged against him is one thing but claiming that another player is cheating on an open forum is totally unacceptable.
Correct.
Hopefully it was just a misunderstanding, & @TheWaddy will correct & retract his comments.
I would imagine a 'rig' claim would involve the site somehow. I have not mentioned or suggested this in any way in this observation of Helissio2.
In my games, this guy has displayed impossible plays, for someone displaying these graphs. I have just seen him raise, get reraised... and ended up all in HU with low blinds... with KK34 on a 8 5 7 flop... As it happened his opponent held just A3 and no hi .... all in from a nothing pot, low blinds.
This is not sky rocketing no swing graphs play... its erratic, big swing graph play.
The patterns of play during my games, are just as such that he knows my holdings, absolutely incredible of i have not seen even by the best on tv. Hes smashing it but still playing £2. Hes massively gambling it up, like above, unless he knows your cards.... so his graph should represent this style. Up and down.
A guy can question how someones calling a one off hand with a Jack High on a wide audience world tv show, but i cant query how on earth this guy is doing this with play such as this in a forum?
It is of course, always the same kangaroo court on the forum. Another reg forum-er posting the same thing, it would have a completely different reaction.
There is alot to answer here, just pointing out hes played a big amount of hold em freerolls tounrs is not really putting it to bed is it?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
Misstake
Small blind
10.00
10.00
1510.00
Helissio2
Big blind
20.00
30.00
1460.00
Your hole cards
3
K
4
K
Misstake
Call
10.00
40.00
1500.00
Helissio2
Raise
40.00
80.00
1420.00
Misstake
Call
40.00
120.00
1460.00
Flop
7
5
8
Helissio2
Bet
90.00
210.00
1330.00
Misstake
Call
90.00
300.00
1370.00
Turn
2
Helissio2
Bet
300.00
600.00
1030.00
Misstake
Raise
1200.00
1800.00
170.00
Helissio2
All-in
1030.00
2830.00
0.00
Misstake
Call
130.00
2960.00
40.00
Misstake
Show
3
3
6
A
Helissio2
Show
3
K
4
K
River
7
Helissio2
Win high
Two Pairs, Kings and 7s
1480.00
1480.00
Misstake
Win low
7-low
1480.00
1520.00
This is the hand TheWaddy is crying about.
And the reason you are calling the raise that is telling you one hand is definitley beaten.... and the other is more than probably beaten? Heads up? Which you do with me allllll the time? But have a massively winning graph with this constant erratic play....
Calling that bet after the turn - according to the omaha odds calculator, i had the odds to call. 49% EV
You didnt know what he had though did you, to make that decision and to know thats the odds you were facing... its a classic EssexPhil nonsense comment, with just the info AFTER the hand that couldnt possibly form any part of your decision... Or maybe you did know.....
Please enlighten all of us how you would have played that hand in my position! :-) This should be interesting.
You should also probably thank Tikay and Sky for being so lenient with you up to now
You’ve spent a long time now lying about different things on this forum You’ve made yourself look incredibly foolish. Maybe it’s time to stop?
Maybe accusations of 'lying' are just on a par with my suggestions about another ... but youre in the 'in' crowd arent you, so thats ok.
I stick with the main core of my post, unless you have played this guy you are not in a position to see that he is right in poor calls, what i have, what i dont have, calling off large pots with little, like the example above, 100% of the time.... you just think 'my god, he can see my cards'.... the erratic nature of which you simply can not win at that rate and run that well.
If you think any of it is sketchy, Tikays answers have been equally biased and missing out vital information... Helissio admits himself he does not talk in HU games, he admits most his MTTs are hold em freerolls.... are you accusing him of 'lying' too?
The main core of the post remains unanswered of course....
Does the fact that he includes the statement 'This is not a 'rig' claim' in what is quite clearly a rig claim, make this acceptable?
Personally, I think the accusations that the Sky RNG is rigged against him is one thing but claiming that another player is cheating on an open forum is totally unacceptable.
Correct.
Hopefully it was just a misunderstanding, & @TheWaddy will correct & retract his comments.
I would imagine a 'rig' claim would involve the site somehow. I have not mentioned or suggested this in any way in this observation of Helissio2.
In my games, this guy has displayed impossible plays, for someone displaying these graphs. I have just seen him raise, get reraised... and ended up all in HU with low blinds... with KK34 on a 8 5 7 flop... As it happened his opponent held just A3 and no hi .... all in from a nothing pot, low blinds.
This is not sky rocketing no swing graphs play... its erratic, big swing graph play.
The patterns of play during my games, are just as such that he knows my holdings, absolutely incredible of i have not seen even by the best on tv. Hes smashing it but still playing £2. Hes massively gambling it up, like above, unless he knows your cards.... so his graph should represent this style. Up and down.
A guy can question how someones calling a one off hand with a Jack High on a wide audience world tv show, but i cant query how on earth this guy is doing this with play such as this in a forum?
It is of course, always the same kangaroo court on the forum. Another reg forum-er posting the same thing, it would have a completely different reaction.
There is alot to answer here, just pointing out hes played a big amount of hold em freerolls tounrs is not really putting it to bed is it?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
Misstake
Small blind
10.00
10.00
1510.00
Helissio2
Big blind
20.00
30.00
1460.00
Your hole cards
3
K
4
K
Misstake
Call
10.00
40.00
1500.00
Helissio2
Raise
40.00
80.00
1420.00
Misstake
Call
40.00
120.00
1460.00
Flop
7
5
8
Helissio2
Bet
90.00
210.00
1330.00
Misstake
Call
90.00
300.00
1370.00
Turn
2
Helissio2
Bet
300.00
600.00
1030.00
Misstake
Raise
1200.00
1800.00
170.00
Helissio2
All-in
1030.00
2830.00
0.00
Misstake
Call
130.00
2960.00
40.00
Misstake
Show
3
3
6
A
Helissio2
Show
3
K
4
K
River
7
Helissio2
Win high
Two Pairs, Kings and 7s
1480.00
1480.00
Misstake
Win low
7-low
1480.00
1520.00
This is the hand TheWaddy is crying about.
And the reason you are calling the raise that is telling you one hand is definitley beaten.... and the other is more than probably beaten? Heads up? Which you do with me allllll the time? But have a massively winning graph with this constant erratic play....
Calling that bet after the turn - according to the omaha odds calculator, i had the odds to call. 49% EV
You didnt know what he had though did you, to make that decision and to know thats the odds you were facing... its a classic EssexPhil nonsense comment, with just the info AFTER the hand that couldnt possibly form any part of your decision... Or maybe you did know.....
Please enlighten all of us how you would have played that hand in my position! :-) This should be interesting.
You have an extremly weak hi hand and a sketchy low.... would i bet max OUT OF POSITION ...theres a 'no'.... would, after that error, i call an all in when my opponent tells me one of the pots you have definately lost and the best is your clinging on for a split.... thats another 'no'...... On the other hand, if i had the opponents hand staring at me, i may be in a position to think im 50%....
Your very next post is implying that Helissio is cheating somehow
Could you explain to me when i have evidence that i believe his actions do not make sense (like the Garrett clip circulating) and not only that, his graph is sky rocketing despite completely showing loose aggressive erratic play, in mainly 'hardly any folding' games, why im not allowed to air this?
Why would you auto side with someone who may be cheating? We know the answer to this... I dont see many siding with the girl Robbi v Garrett by you guys, but you dismiss this right away... she just called with Jack high... and thats it... this guy is doing this game after game...
Whos accusing Garrett of lying? Whos not agreeing it should be looked into? None of you...
So, to summarise, you are accusing @Helissio2 of being a 'super user' (I think that was the term used in the only other case I am aware of where an online player had inside knowledge of the cards dealt)?
So, to summarise, you are accusing @Helissio2 of being a 'super user' (I think that was the term used in the only other case I am aware of where an online player had inside knowledge of the cards dealt)?
So, to summarise, you are accusing @Helissio2 of being a 'super user' (I think that was the term used in the only other case I am aware of where an online player had inside knowledge of the cards dealt)?
You should also probably thank Tikay and Sky for being so lenient with you up to now
You’ve spent a long time now lying about different things on this forum You’ve made yourself look incredibly foolish. Maybe it’s time to stop?
Maybe accusations of 'lying' are just on a par with my suggestions about another ... but youre in the 'in' crowd arent you, so thats ok.
I stick with the main core of my post, unless you have played this guy you are not in a position to see that he is right in poor calls, what i have, what i dont have, calling off large pots with little, like the example above, 100% of the time.... you just think 'my god, he can see my cards'.... the erratic nature of which you simply can not win at that rate and run that well.
If you think any of it is sketchy, Tikays answers have been equally biased and missing out vital information... Helissio admits himself he does not talk in HU games, he admits most his MTTs are hold em freerolls.... are you accusing him of 'lying' too?
The main core of the post remains unanswered of course....
Comments
"He's smashing it but still playing £2."
Very similar to @TheWaddy then.
Bud, you've had a bad day, stop digging, make it good with Helissio, & then we can move on.
Maybe an apology would be in order Waddy as the ‘evidence’ you have provided has been proven to be bunkum
He certainly doesn’t have to explain anything
I would offer a possible reason why he doesn’t move up. If he’s anything like me then he sees that he can make a nice amount of money at lower stakes. Other than when you start abusing him needlessly, it’s stress free.
You’ve spent a long time now lying about different things on this forum
You’ve made yourself look incredibly foolish.
Maybe it’s time to stop?
Your very next post is implying that Helissio is cheating somehow
:-) This should be interesting.
I stick with the main core of my post, unless you have played this guy you are not in a position to see that he is right in poor calls, what i have, what i dont have, calling off large pots with little, like the example above, 100% of the time.... you just think 'my god, he can see my cards'.... the erratic nature of which you simply can not win at that rate and run that well.
If you think any of it is sketchy, Tikays answers have been equally biased and missing out vital information... Helissio admits himself he does not talk in HU games, he admits most his MTTs are hold em freerolls.... are you accusing him of 'lying' too?
The main core of the post remains unanswered of course....
Why would you auto side with someone who may be cheating? We know the answer to this... I dont see many siding with the girl Robbi v Garrett by you guys, but you dismiss this right away... she just called with Jack high... and thats it... this guy is doing this game after game...
Whos accusing Garrett of lying? Whos not agreeing it should be looked into? None of you...
At £1 DYMs.
JUST APOLOGISE
Great to see that @Helissio2 is so far entrenched in your head, that you think he must be cheating and know exactly what your cards are ..............especially going along with your theories on the SKY RNG
I wonder what the next absurd claim is going to be ........ ' All the reg's work for SKY and must be getting paid to demonise you'
What was that famous 'Cranberries' song ....... (hopefully @Jac35 @TheEdge949
or @Essexphil can post it........
'It's in your head.....it's in your head .......ZOMBIEEEEEEEEE .......ZOMBIEEEEEEEE
~209 of 621 were NLH Freerolls.