99 - I personally don't like reshove there, 54bb's is pretty big and I'd want at least 10's maybe even JJ or solid reads he does this VERY light which I presume you must do ?
2nd AA - How the **** can he fold that !!? 99 - I personally don't like reshove there, 54bb's is pretty big and I'd want at least 10's maybe even JJ or solid reads he does this VERY light which I presume you must do ? Posted by Dudeskin8
yea i do. same vill from the JJ hand in the clinic mate. He was consistantly shoving. Rancid i know is only ever calling with better which is an issue, but i felt shoving im over repping my hand and therefore might get him off TT/JJ (dont think he folds QQ+) and isolating the fish to myself.
Really think im starting to get there now. This level is getting easier by the session and everything is becomming more and more natural.
17/9
OMG Lost some hands I QUIT.
Don seriously if you cant sort this out then poker really isn't the game for you. None of the hands that you hvae lost with, while are tilting, are not out of the ordinary. I play a LOT of poker and have these kind of things happen to me multiple times a day but you just gotta suck it up and deal with it.
You really should quit. If you can't handle losing 4BIs at NL4 then theres no point in playing as you'll never be able to move up, as imagine how tilted you'll get at losing 4BIs at NL20 for example.
My advice really is to quit now and maybe just play the odd MTT. Without meaning to sound rude or anything but this is bordering on the ridiculous that someone who plays/reads/watches as much poker as you can't handle a 4BI swing. I've read on here that you say you have tilt issues, fair enough, we all do, but 4BIs really isn't something to tilt about.
LOL 15/9 Really think im starting to get there now. This level is getting easier by the session and everything is becomming more and more natural. 17/9 OMG Lost some hands I QUIT. Don seriously if you cant sort this out then poker really isn't the game for you. None of the hands that you hvae lost with, while are tilting, are not out of the ordinary. I play a LOT of poker and have these kind of things happen to me multiple times a day but you just gotta suck it up and deal with it. You really should quit. If you can't handle losing 4BIs at NL4 then theres no point in playing as you'll never be able to move up, as imagine how tilted you'll get at losing 4BIs at NL20 for example. My advice really is to quit now and maybe just play the odd MTT. Without meaning to sound rude or anything but this is bordering on the ridiculous that someone who plays/reads/watches as much poker as you can't handle a 4BI swing. I've read on here that you say you have tilt issues, fair enough, we all do, but 4BIs really isn't something to tilt about. Posted by scotty77
Agreed there isnt anything within those calling hands that would be unusual at higher levels, Q10 suited connectors etc etc. The big difference is you get a lot more multi way action meaning suckouts are inevitable. With your game you should be playing at higher levels. NL20 only requires a br of £400 which isnt a lot these days.
I am learning to cope with the emotions and the injustices of suckouts(not very well I might add). JJ recomended the mental game of poker which I will order. Coping with whats going on in your head can make the difference between being a break even/small profit poker player to crushing the game.
AK - Yes he's called a 32p raise pre wiv 7 high then called pot bet on flop with straight draw and hit, why is this bad for us ? lol
KK - Good raise pre I make it more. On flop you have a guy shoving all in with 2nd pair no kicker, again why is this bad for us ? lol
Seriously Don with £93.17 you have more than 20 BI's and hence will NEVER go broke, it's just impossible, yes you'll have run bad like here but most nights you print money in these hands, so just chill out and get back to it asap !
hmmmmm to be honest xD Don shouldnt be quiting, ive watched him play loads and he plays the game so perfect, yes he gets emotional when making the right calls and having it shoved right in his face and then sucking out, but lets take a look at the hands hand 1 he will hit his open end straight draw - 32% of the time so thats almost 1:3 you offered him 1:2 odds, he didnt have the odds to call, you keep playing like that it will make you profitable, as for pre flop you offered him again 1:2 odds, for suited connectors to be profitable you would have to have at least 4-5 limpers so he will lose alot more money
Hand 2 this guy i dont even think was planning on a straight, i think he looked at his cards and decided middle pair was good, but lets quickly look at his odds
again you gave him 1:2 pot odds, this means he would need to beat you everytime to be profitable his odds of improving his hand was i believe its 1:5 pot odds of improving his own hand, however since you had kings, hes only got 1:10 odds approx,
In the long run, keep making these calls your in for a lot of profit, this is just one of those days
Don please look back on previous motivational messages i bothered to type out because i wanted to to encourage you. They still apply. What that Scotty cat off the telly said just then is absolutely right imo. PLEASE give it some SERIOUS thought. One thing i do want you to think about is the nature of the strategy you use. It is absolutely good and i am NOT saying otherwise. However it can have a downside. The 5x raise. The reason that Dohhh is advocating it is because at nl4 the skill level is poor on the whole. It works for 2 simple reasons. 1/ Over time it is designed to obtain maximum value from the weaker hands being played. It generates a dynamic that see stax getting shipped on the river for super return. This is good. A simple and effective battering ram. 2/ It seriously discourages your weaker opponents from calling and reduces the possibility of playing multi way pots. You don't want this. Coupled with reason 1 then over time you have the simple recipe for beating nl4. The problems start when you're not running well. Th 5x raise through bad variance will see you lose a lot sometimes. The effect designed for your opponents can sting you esp. when you QUITE CORRECTLY c-bet the vast majority of the time. People are getting incredible pot odds and poorer players that don't understand the value of their draws correctly are gonna stack you because of this whole 5x dynamic. Sometimes they are getting the right price too. This is why you don't see it played at higher levels 100bbs deep. So you can see that because it increases profit it can also increase loss. Thru variance. You need to know how to play post flop carefully sometimes ( pot, pot ? ) and recognise when you are running bad AND NOT TO TILT BECAUSE OF IT. Over time it is a winning strategy. You need to understand why maybe. When you made good profit the other day when i watched you i said you appeared to be playing well AND running well. You should feel good when you minimise losses too and not just when you win a big pot. I am a fishy myself so Dohhhh may well correct me on some of this. You need to really think about why you do things and how it affects you. You have come too far now to turn back so don't you dare fkn quit !!!!!!!!!!!
hand 1 he will hit his open end straight draw - 32% of the time so thats almost 1:3 you offered him 1:2 (2-1)odds, he didnt have the odds to call, you keep playing like that it will make you profitable, as for pre flop you offered him again 1:2 (2-1) odds, for suited connectors to be profitable you would have to have at least 4-5 limpers so he will lose alot more money Posted by sillymunch
i just want to help here as i think the math is wrong, the percentage the vilain has (67) to win from the flop to river is about 21%, from turn to river he picks up a few outs so his new percentage is 26% but this is irrelivant to the hand as it went all in on the flop.
so oppo will only win from flop to river about 1 in 5 times. don bets pot on the flop and the oppo is offered 2-1 odds 33% so he is getting a terrible price to callwith only 21% equity, but the oppo shoves (bad but not as bad as calling) .... so math is irrelivant here from dons perspective as he has to snap call.
i hope this helps, im at work so no poker stove, me thinks thats right
I think/hope Don just meant he was quitting for the session.......
If not you can claim that that's what u meant Don!
If you did mean you're quitting for good, then I dunno, I cba to try and make you see sense again, it's just saying the same thing every single time you have a losing session.
Maybe you shouldn't post in your diary immediately after a losing session.
maybe you should drink copious amounts of alcohol when playing don. it numbs the pain of bad beats (and bad play) lost the same amount of bis than you did last night(and a bit more money),but i went to bed giggling last night knowing i played like a plonker. go watch the news and see them poor miners familys and mate it puts a few losses in poker right back into perspective!
maybe you should drink copious amounts of alcohol when playing don. it numbs the pain of bad beats (and bad play) lost the same amount of bis than you did last night(and a bit more money),but i went to bed giggling last night knowing i played like a plonker. go watch the news and see them poor miners familys and mate it puts a few losses in poker right back into perspective! Posted by pod1
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JJ - Good dicipline preflop, I personally would like to think I'd fold river as it's SO big.
AJ - yh fold to 2nd raise but post is fine.
Wd mate keep it up and as has been said dont worry if ya get a few coolers , it will happen , it does to everyone
Why not C-bet? Only 1 over card alot of the time your goingo t have the best hand here aren't u?
btw i think its an easy fold come the river shove
Regarding the JJ hand on the Q high board.
I dont c-bet simply because im not the raiser. Im flatting a 3-bet. Was considering the 4-bet pre wasnt sure.
The river. Now he villian had been doing this alot so i didnt think it was at all strong. Once the other guy folded i called. And made a note.
small evening session, didnt go brilliant, think i landed in a small profit. However never could get going. Some hands are in clinic wont re-post em.
Winning hands
Losing hands.
Need to get another good session tbh, however made a few mistakes today and the Aces hand above still baffles me as to how i dont get the max.
99 - I personally don't like reshove there, 54bb's is pretty big and I'd want at least 10's maybe even JJ or solid reads he does this VERY light which I presume you must do ?
winning hands
losing hands
This session proves that to BEAT NL4 YOU HAVE TO RUN GOOD. SERIOSLY Flop a set, lose to back door straight. KK lose to Back door straight.
I Quit.
15/9
Really think im starting to get there now. This level is getting easier by the session and everything is becomming more and more natural.
17/9
OMG Lost some hands I QUIT.
Don seriously if you cant sort this out then poker really isn't the game for you. None of the hands that you hvae lost with, while are tilting, are not out of the ordinary. I play a LOT of poker and have these kind of things happen to me multiple times a day but you just gotta suck it up and deal with it.
You really should quit. If you can't handle losing 4BIs at NL4 then theres no point in playing as you'll never be able to move up, as imagine how tilted you'll get at losing 4BIs at NL20 for example.
My advice really is to quit now and maybe just play the odd MTT. Without meaning to sound rude or anything but this is bordering on the ridiculous that someone who plays/reads/watches as much poker as you can't handle a 4BI swing. I've read on here that you say you have tilt issues, fair enough, we all do, but 4BIs really isn't something to tilt about.
I am learning to cope with the emotions and the injustices of suckouts(not very well I might add). JJ recomended the mental game of poker which I will order. Coping with whats going on in your head can make the difference between being a break even/small profit poker player to crushing the game.
KK - Good raise pre I make it more. On flop you have a guy shoving all in with 2nd pair no kicker, again why is this bad for us ? lol
Seriously Don with £93.17 you have more than 20 BI's and hence will NEVER go broke, it's just impossible, yes you'll have run bad like here but most nights you print money in these hands, so just chill out and get back to it asap !
Acegooner i have no doubt that thedon IS gd enough to play nl20 BUT wtf is gonna happen when he loses a few decent sized pots at that level ??
but lets take a look at the hands
hand 1 he will hit his open end straight draw - 32% of the time so thats almost 1:3
you offered him 1:2 odds, he didnt have the odds to call, you keep playing like that it will make you profitable,
as for pre flop you offered him again 1:2 odds, for suited connectors to be profitable you would have to have at least 4-5 limpers so he will lose alot more money
Hand 2
this guy i dont even think was planning on a straight, i think he looked at his cards and decided middle pair was good, but lets quickly look at his odds
again you gave him 1:2 pot odds, this means he would need to beat you everytime to be profitable
his odds of improving his hand was
i believe its 1:5 pot odds of improving his own hand, however since you had kings, hes only got 1:10 odds approx,
In the long run, keep making these calls your in for a lot of profit, this is just one of those days
One thing i do want you to think about is the nature of the strategy you use. It is absolutely good and i am NOT saying otherwise. However it can have a downside. The 5x raise. The reason that Dohhh is advocating it is because at nl4 the skill level is poor on the whole. It works for 2 simple reasons. 1/ Over time it is designed to obtain maximum value from the weaker hands being played. It generates a dynamic that see stax getting shipped on the river for super return. This is good. A simple and effective battering ram. 2/ It seriously discourages your weaker opponents from calling and reduces the possibility of playing multi way pots. You don't want this. Coupled with reason 1 then over time you have the simple recipe for beating nl4.
The problems start when you're not running well. Th 5x raise through bad variance will see you lose a lot sometimes. The effect designed for your opponents can sting you esp. when you QUITE CORRECTLY c-bet the vast majority of the time. People are getting incredible pot odds and poorer players that don't understand the value of their draws correctly are gonna stack you because of this whole 5x dynamic. Sometimes they are getting the right price too. This is why you don't see it played at higher levels 100bbs deep.
So you can see that because it increases profit it can also increase loss. Thru variance. You need to know how to play post flop carefully sometimes ( pot, pot ? ) and recognise when you are running bad AND NOT TO TILT BECAUSE OF IT. Over time it is a winning strategy. You need to understand why maybe.
When you made good profit the other day when i watched you i said you appeared to be playing well AND running well. You should feel good when you minimise losses too and not just when you win a big pot.
I am a fishy myself so Dohhhh may well correct me on some of this. You need to really think about why you do things and how it affects you.
You have come too far now to turn back so don't you dare fkn quit !!!!!!!!!!!
so oppo will only win from flop to river about 1 in 5 times. don bets pot on the flop and the oppo is offered 2-1 odds 33% so he is getting a terrible price to call with only 21% equity, but the oppo shoves (bad but not as bad as calling) .... so math is irrelivant here from dons perspective as he has to snap call.
i hope this helps, im at work so no poker stove, me thinks thats right