If you play a lot of these you will experience some HUGE swings. I recommend using 150-200 buyins as a BR guideline. If you're a winning player you can expect an ROI of between 2-4% over a large sample (around 10k games). The main attraction is the rakeback really, although they are quite fun just for a change from the norm.
I understand the massive variance involved here but an ROI of 2-4% seems mighty low. Obviously taking into account rake payed to Sky, so winning one, then losing one would still leave you in loss, but still 2-4% means you're winning a very minor amount over 50% of games played and if you're HUs game is strong and you play the right opponents, I'm sure you could achieve a better ROI.
If you play a lot of these you will experience some HUGE swings. I recommend using 150-200 buyins as a BR guideline. If you're a winning player you can expect an ROI of between 2-4% over a large sample (around 10k games). The main attraction is the rakeback really, although they are quite fun just for a change from the norm. Posted by nagrom
This guy knows his onions.
I think at the lower levels on sky there will be alot of "free games" against extremely soft opponents.
The 5% rake is a stumbling block, but that's what the trial period is for, not only for sky to see if there is a market for them, but for players to experiment and decide if they're gonna be profitable.
I'm sure they will be more profitable than the turbo dyms btw. If anyone wants to challenge me on that, I'm up for it!
I understand the massive variance involved here but an ROI of 2-4% seems mighty low. Obviously taking into account rake payed to Sky, so winning one, then losing one would still leave you in loss, but still 2-4% means you're winning a very minor amount over 50% of games played and if you're HUs game is strong and you play the right opponents, I'm sure you could achieve a better ROI. Posted by Lambert180
over a huge amount ROI's in SNGs are never going to be ridiculously high compared to mtt rois where you could have a 1% roi and get a big win and shoot to a 150% roi... to have an roi of between 2-4% over a high volume is considered brilliant if you sharkscope epitomised on PS under SNGs you will see what i mean....
Just had a go at these. Played 4 won 2 lost 2 - got in ahead 5 times and lost every one. The varience in these will be huge as it ends up as a coin flip quite quickly. Good for the gamblers IMO. GL with them - not for me though.
Heres a thought for you. If you were a complete degen who never slept and you make 40k cash for points from just these alone you would be on 100% rakeback. (Including the priority 25% you would actually make money)
Correct me if I'm wrong but you get 1 point per £1 entry fee, so £5.25 buyin = 5 points. 8,000 STT's = 40,000 points and 80,000 x 25p reg fee = £2000 (Which is the same as you get for 40k points)... CHA CHING!! (+25% bonus = £2,000 + £500)
Heres a thought for you. If you were a complete degen who never slept and you make 40k cash for points from just these alone you would be on 100% rakeback. (Including the priority 25% you would actually make money) Correct me if I'm wrong but you get 1 point per £1 entry fee, so £5.25 buyin = 5 points. 8,000 STT's = 40,000 points and 80,000 x 25p reg fee = £2000 (Which is the same as you get for 40k points)... CHA CHING!! (+25% bonus = £2,000 + £500) Posted by FlashFlush
Am i wrong :S i thought it was not on how much you pay, but the entry fee
Heres a thought for you. If you were a complete degen who never slept and you make 40k cash for points from just these alone you would be on 100% rakeback. (Including the priority 25% you would actually make money) Correct me if I'm wrong but you get 1 point per £1 entry fee, so £5.25 buyin = 5 points. 8,000 STT's = 40,000 points and 80,000 x 25p reg fee = £2000 (Which is the same as you get for 40k points)... CHA CHING!! (+25% bonus = £2,000 + £500) Posted by FlashFlush
Only get 3 points as it is based on rake (25p) not entry of £5
Heres a thought for you. If you were a complete degen who never slept and you make 40k cash for points from just these alone you would be on 100% rakeback. (Including the priority 25% you would actually make money) Correct me if I'm wrong but you get 1 point per £1 entry fee, so £5.25 buyin = 5 points. 8,000 STT's = 40,000 points and 80,000 x 25p reg fee = £2000 (Which is the same as you get for 40k points)... CHA CHING!! (+25% bonus = £2,000 + £500) Posted by FlashFlush
Its 1 point per 10p in the rake fee, i.e 10 points for an £10 + £1 jobbie, 8 points for the £5 + 75p BHs.
So to reach 30 000 poker points you would need to play 10 000 of these in a month, which would be an outlay of £52500, at an average of 333 a day on a 30 day month.
I understand the massive variance involved here but an ROI of 2-4% seems mighty low. Obviously taking into account rake payed to Sky, so winning one, then losing one would still leave you in loss, but still 2-4% means you're winning a very minor amount over 50% of games played and if you're HUs game is strong and you play the right opponents, I'm sure you could achieve a better ROI. Posted by Lambert180
2%-4% sounds about right to me. In a standard 6 max DYM a ROI as little as 5% is considered pretty good. A vast amount of fast structured DYMs and HU SnGs boil down to a flip, and the ROI is made by limiting these as much as you can while taking advantage of those games which don't need the flip and making your edge there.
Thinking of doing something a little silly regarding these new SnGs to try and promote them. Dohhhhh's been invaluable to the forum and he deserves these to do well. As such I'll be giving him first refusal on a little challenge I have in mind. Keep your eyes peeled JJ.
If you play a lot of these you will experience some HUGE swings. I recommend using 150-200 buyins as a BR guideline. If you're a winning player you can expect an ROI of between 2-4% over a large sample (around 10k games). The main attraction is the rakeback really, although they are quite fun just for a change from the norm. Posted by nagrom
Watched you play a few of these this PM and you seemed to be "quite" good!! Any tips/advice?
In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : over a huge amount ROI's in SNGs are never going to be ridiculously high compared to mtt rois where you could have a 1% roi and get a big win and shoot to a 150% roi... to have an roi of between 2-4% over a high volume is considered brilliant if you sharkscope epitomised on PS under SNGs you will see what i mean.... Posted by delaney09
....which is why we had him on Ch 865 as a Special Guest recently. He has an awesome understanding of SNG's, said to be one of the best in Europe. But there will not be many with an ROI THAT good!
In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : Watched you play a few of these this PM and you seemed to be " quite " good!! Any tips/advice? Posted by Glenelg
Haha you must have seen the ones I didn't donk off my chips. I'd say that you have to keep in mind the stacks are shallow so there isn't much postflop play, so make bold bets/raises or just fold. We never really have the implied odds to call for a draw. There will be a lot of shoving quite early into the games but try to keep your shove calling range tight (can be widened for looser villains). Instinct and general feel for the game can play a big part in achieving success at these too By no means an expert but hope that helps.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but you get 1 point per £1 entry fee, so £5.25 buyin = 5 points. 8,000 STT's = 40,000 points and 80,000 x 25p reg fee = £2000 (Which is the same as you get for 40k points)... CHA CHING!! (+25% bonus = £2,000 + £500)
So to reach 30 000 poker points you would need to play 10 000 of these in a month, which would be an outlay of £52500, at an average of 333 a day on a 30 day month.
Sit & DOHHHHHHH hu games are allowed in
IRISHROVER'S HU COMP .Denis .
Thinking of doing something a little silly regarding these new SnGs to try and promote them. Dohhhhh's been invaluable to the forum and he deserves these to do well. As such I'll be giving him first refusal on a little challenge I have in mind. Keep your eyes peeled JJ.