i chop and change from 30 to 50 BI depending how well im running nothing wrong in upping it a bit from time to time and if it dosnt go your way drop back down again. If theres a torny that tickles my fancy and has a decent prize pool for the amount i might have a go at it and dont get too caught up in the BI philosopy maybe i should maybe i shouldnt each to there own imo. As long as you dont gamble your br with 4BI or less which ive also done in the past lol. Only you know lambert what your comfortable with and how much it will let you just enjoy the game The trick is ask yourself if you lose does it hurt if the answer is yes then you playing to high stakes for your br. Posted by Dazler
I think you've summed it up perfectly, it's all a matter of what hurts. If you losing 5 BIs from a 20BI bankroll doesn't hurt then fine, go with it, but to me it does hurt, so I prefer a bigger roll.
Well I was gonna call it a night, but then Emma went for a late bath so I thought I'd get another hour in, and it seems I stood up last time just as my rungood was about to start. Only 4tabled for 1 hour but managed to play a few good hands and made £6.32 so that's only 60p less than I lost in my 2hours earlier
nice read agree with some others though presumably you arent doing this for a living? You can afford to take a shot at least nl10 with your current roll Posted by bugaloo
No I'm not doing it for a living lol... I can live on a shoestring but not about £20 a month.
I know I could play 10NL and have done before with a roll this size, but losing 3-4 BIs when I have only 18 BIs just hurts too much and inevitably causes me to play worse than I'm able.
Also if I wanna make decent money long-term then I'll need proper BRM, and where dya draw the line? Like do I play 10NL with £180, spin it up to £400 and then start practicing good BRM (in which case I'd just be staying where I am) or what? I think if you play a level underolled and you double your BR, you're always gonna be inclined to step up another level which means you continue to be underolled and doing that long-term is never gonna work.
In summary, I want longevity. As they say, when you play poker to win money you MUST play for the long term, you should always be taking the route that stands to win you the most in the long run, but how can you do that when you don't have enough money to be able to withstand the long run.
" I know I could play 10NL and have done before with a roll this size, but losing 3-4 BIs when I have only 18 BIs just hurts too much and inevitably causes me to play worse than I'm able."
Fair enough looking at the long term but when you get to 10nl with a decent bankroll is losing 3-4 BI;S still going to hurt a lot?
Good read paul why do you not give 8nl a go with your roll and drop bak to 4nl if you lose like 5bi`s you might hit ground running Posted by liamboi11
Perhaps I am being a bit cautious, but I'm a firm believer that you can never have too big a BR. Also I want to know whether I'm actually beating a particular level long-term and not just whether I'm running good for a bit, and I've only played like 8-9k hands so while I'm fairly confident from my experience at the table, that I am easily good enough to beat it, I would like the figures to back it up.
Plus, losing 5 BIs at 8NL (£40) from a £180 roll would hurt, especially at this early stage when the monetary increases are gonna quite small, slow and steady. So
" I know I could play 10NL and have done before with a roll this size, but losing 3-4 BIs when I have only 18 BIs just hurts too much and inevitably causes me to play worse than I'm able." Fair enough looking at the long term but when you get to 10nl with a decent bankroll is losing 3-4 BI;S still going to hurt a lot? Posted by bugaloo
No it won't and that's the whole point, that's one of the fringe benefits to good BRM. As I said to someone earlier, you're not just trying to avoid going bust, but you're also trying to avoid the fear of going bust.
So for instance, I've had sessions since I started this where I lost 4BIs (£16) but with my roll, I can shrug that off fairly easily knowing I have the roll to withstand variance. If I was playing 10NL and had just lost the same amount of BIs (£40), I would not be able to shrug it off so easily as it would be over 20% of my roll.
I mean it's not like I'm in a bad financial situation in real life, I could easily afford to re-deposit if I needed to, but I don't see any reason for me to take that risk, when I can do it this way. Sure it may take a little longer, but when I get there, I'll have done it the right way.
fair enough at the end of the day its upto you without sounding harsh just read some of your posts on the clinic which mainly tbh look like glorified bad beat/coolers Posted by bugaloo
Well some of them are coolers yeah, and I've been having a fair few coolers recently which I haven't posted because there is zero point like QQ v KK aipf, and that's exactly why you need to be properly rolled. When I first started playing cash again I ran big PP into bigger PPs or sets into straights at least 10 times, and if I'd done that at 10NL it would have butchered my roll.
I have no doubt in the future, I'll cooler people just as many times as I get coolered, but I need enough of a BR to be able to let that happen.
Do you still want a cash challenge then Paul? It's up to you, won't be offended if you'd rather not. It's just that I'm starting from scratch at nl4 anyway, so it may make things more interesting.
I noticed you're keeping a record of number of hands played so maybe we could use bb/100 to determine the winner.
Do you still want a cash challenge then Paul? It's up to you, won't be offended if you'd rather not. It's just that I'm starting from scratch at nl4 anyway, so it may make things more interesting. I noticed you're keeping a record of number of hands played so maybe we could use bb/100 to determine the winner. Posted by splashies
Yeah I'm up for a challenge. I mean I'm playing 4NL anyway and posting results here, so it's not gonna affect me in anyway to just be comparing results with you, and it will make things more interesting.
Yeah, I dunno if you have a better, more accurate way of doing it, but for hands, I just work on the basis that you generally play about 80 hands per hour (per table), so that's how my spreadsheet works it out. PM your email address if you want a copy of the spreadsheet.
But yeah I'm up for it, you wanna post your results here or what?
In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- 4NL to 20NL ----- Target = 50BIs for 20NL within 12 months : Yeah I'm up for a challenge. I mean I'm playing 4NL anyway and posting results here, so it's not gonna affect me in anyway to just be comparing results with you, and it will make things more interesting. Yeah, I dunno if you have a better, more accurate way of doing it, but for hands, I just work on the basis that you generally play about 80 hands per hour (per table), so that's how my spreadsheet works it out. PM your email address if you want a copy of the spreadsheet. But yeah I'm up for it, you wanna post your results here or what? Posted by Lambert180
For the number of hands played, I use the hand history search.
Say if i have a session between 2.15pm and 4.50pm, after my session I'd search my HH from 2pm-3pm, note the number of hands played. Then search 3pm-4pm and finally 4pm-5pm and add the 3 figs up. Takes 2 mins max.
I've got my own spreadsheet already up and running.
I can work out your bb/100 using your latest figures.
(£4.67/8240hands) x 100/0.04 = 1.42bb/100 is your current win rate.
In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- 4NL to 20NL ----- Target = 50BIs for 20NL within 12 months : For the number of hands played, I use the hand history search. Say if i have a session between 2.15pm and 4.50pm, after my session I'd search my HH from 2pm-3pm, note the number of hands played. Then search 3pm-4pm and finally 4pm-5pm and add the 3 figs up. Takes 2 mins max. I've got my own spreadsheet already up and running. I can work out your bb/100 using your latest figures. (£4.67/8240hands) x 100/0.04 = 1.42bb/100 is your current win rate. Posted by splashies
Ok fair enough, that sounds easy enough then. From your experience dya think I've been pretty close with estimating 80 hands per hour? I'll probably start counting hands your way from now on. Well let me know when you play your first session.
In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- 4NL to 20NL ----- Target = 50BIs for 20NL within 12 months : Ok fair enough, that sounds easy enough then. From your experience dya think I've been pretty close with estimating 80 hands per hour? I'll probably start counting hands your way from now on. Well let me know when you play your first session. Posted by Lambert180
Yeh 80 is about right. Already had a little session this afternoon but il post at the end of the day.
what I will say, I don't grind as much as before but I am still the same recrational player by not approaching poker as a grind now it's turned a bit more fun for me
grinding does take the fun out of it, espcially when you don't need to win to pay the bills
enjoy it, take a shot - if it don't go great then just step back
i sent you a pm about that other subject Posted by TINTIN
Cheers TinTin, I have read it and thanks for the input. I am going to reply with a few follow up questions when I get round to opening IE because I can't reply in Firefox.
BRM doesn't matter if you run positive and win BRM matters when you run negative expectation what I will say, I don't grind as much as before but I am still the same recrational player by not approaching poker as a grind now it's turned a bit more fun for me grinding does take the fun out of it, espcially when you don't need to win to pay the bills enjoy it, take a shot - if it don't go great then just step back Posted by rancid
Well exactly, and the more you play, the closer the chance of running bad for an extended period gets to 100%
I hear what everyone's saying but I love the game and I do enjoy it. I enjoy the act of playing, so the happiness I would feel by taking a shot and spinning it up is far outweighed by the potential unhappiness of going busto. Sure I could re-deposit but I won't need to (touch wood) if I stay within reasonable guidelines.
The money isn't a huge thing for me, so the way I see it is, I have a hobby I love which I have played for the last 2-3 years and it hasn't cost me more than about £20-£30. As I'm perfectly happy getting the enjoyment I get from the game now, I don't see a point in taking big risks and potentially ploughing more money into the site, when I can just continue to freeroll my hobby.
I don't understand this constant push from people (not just you) to take a shot etc. I play for fun, and have as much fun playing 4NL as I would playing 50NL, if not more.
There's not much to say about sessions at nl4, if you do the basics well and are disciplined then the money will find its way to you eventually. So, everytime I post, I'll leave a thought for the day to entertain your readers Paul.
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I know I could play 10NL and have done before with a roll this size, but losing 3-4 BIs when I have only 18 BIs just hurts too much and inevitably causes me to play worse than I'm able.
Also if I wanna make decent money long-term then I'll need proper BRM, and where dya draw the line? Like do I play 10NL with £180, spin it up to £400 and then start practicing good BRM (in which case I'd just be staying where I am) or what? I think if you play a level underolled and you double your BR, you're always gonna be inclined to step up another level which means you continue to be underolled and doing that long-term is never gonna work.
In summary, I want longevity. As they say, when you play poker to win money you MUST play for the long term, you should always be taking the route that stands to win you the most in the long run, but how can you do that when you don't have enough money to be able to withstand the long run.
Plus, losing 5 BIs at 8NL (£40) from a £180 roll would hurt, especially at this early stage when the monetary increases are gonna quite small, slow and steady. So
So for instance, I've had sessions since I started this where I lost 4BIs (£16) but with my roll, I can shrug that off fairly easily knowing I have the roll to withstand variance. If I was playing 10NL and had just lost the same amount of BIs (£40), I would not be able to shrug it off so easily as it would be over 20% of my roll.
I mean it's not like I'm in a bad financial situation in real life, I could easily afford to re-deposit if I needed to, but I don't see any reason for me to take that risk, when I can do it this way. Sure it may take a little longer, but when I get there, I'll have done it the right way.
I have no doubt in the future, I'll cooler people just as many times as I get coolered, but I need enough of a BR to be able to let that happen.
Yeah, I dunno if you have a better, more accurate way of doing it, but for hands, I just work on the basis that you generally play about 80 hands per hour (per table), so that's how my spreadsheet works it out. PM your email address if you want a copy of the spreadsheet.
But yeah I'm up for it, you wanna post your results here or what?
BRM doesn't matter if you run positive and win
BRM matters when you run negative expectation
what I will say, I don't grind as much as before but I am still the same recrational player
by not approaching poker as a grind now it's turned a bit more fun for me
grinding does take the fun out of it, espcially when you don't need to win to pay the bills
enjoy it, take a shot - if it don't go great then just step back
I hear what everyone's saying but I love the game and I do enjoy it. I enjoy the act of playing, so the happiness I would feel by taking a shot and spinning it up is far outweighed by the potential unhappiness of going busto. Sure I could re-deposit but I won't need to (touch wood) if I stay within reasonable guidelines.
The money isn't a huge thing for me, so the way I see it is, I have a hobby I love which I have played for the last 2-3 years and it hasn't cost me more than about £20-£30. As I'm perfectly happy getting the enjoyment I get from the game now, I don't see a point in taking big risks and potentially ploughing more money into the site, when I can just continue to freeroll my hobby.
I don't understand this constant push from people (not just you) to take a shot etc. I play for fun, and have as much fun playing 4NL as I would playing 50NL, if not more.