Not sure how much it relates to your BR challenge but I myself had a pretty terrible run recently, if you look up my DYM graph (pure double or nothing on filter) you'll see it occurs around 1600 games and believe it or not but that vertical drop only took 2 days to make.
It just consisted of losing every flip I had, tons of 70-30's and even the odd 90+%er, it felt pretty soul destroying at times and as you can see it almost took me into loss but for some reason (I still honestly don't know it lol) I halted it and then began to climb again. That climb wasn't easy, it's not meant to be easy grinding, but I've put the effort in and am now beginnig to feel much more secure.
Luckily because of that run it changed my whole mindset on BRM and from now on (at least in DYM's) I won't happily play a level without 50 BI's, that's been done at £3.30 and I'm close to getting that at £5.50.
So for me playing £5.50 with just 26 BI's can't be a good idea, yes you can bleat on about don't be so tight etc etc but if this is the ONLY money you have then you have to be tight. Of course this secondary BR blurs the lines and so you're just thinking 'oh it's ok I'll just RELOAD', if that's the case then it's probably best to stick it all on so you can play more comfortably and at the right level.
From a personal point of view I don't see the logic in building up if you're just gonna remove it and start again, you're much better off trying to play as high as possible and then just skimming off when you reach your peak level (i.e any higher and you're not good enough to win)
In Response to Re: Rancid rolls on..........again! BR £148 : I have had a few downswings, they happen but are tough on you and you start to question even if you can play the game If I need a few quid I may pop down to NL4/8 yes, but only in emergency! Saying that I played 9xNL4 for an hour and not much happened, sigh - crushed the deck on a couple of flops but couldn't get paid even at NL4 sad times - even had a couple of sets shoved in my face Posted by rancid
first point is so true but each session you start anew and you can run soo well you'll think that it is so easy, why was i concerned!! second point - phew! third point - I blame dohhhhhh!
Got to agree with Devon, I think you'ld do well to focus on cash - or whichever form appeals to you most. Really surprised that you felt NL20 was not for you. Admittedly I've not played a lot of NL10 but would be shocked if NL20 was significantly tougher. Just takes a while to recognise the regs I'ld have thought Maybe mentally you'd play better at NL20 which you'ld think of as a challenge, rather than feel you're treading water at limits you know you can beat. I am sure you know how quickly things can turn around with a couple of good sessions, hope you start to run better. Posted by simonnatur
Just for the mo I am happy doing this, just feels like something I need to do I'll be playing NL20 when the times right and when I feel good about my overall game and also feel good about how I am running Just seems like I have come out of an upswing and now facing a downsing so lets just ride the wave I kinda felt this coming, weird but when I start to feel oppo are going to hit there cards, they always do and vice versa when I am winning I know my hands will hold - really strange
No rush -_- Having a income means poker can just be a sideline for me, so if it's nexk week, next month or in three months time then so be it
This is the rub Dudeskin because like you say I could play with my total roll and skim off what I make in profit. But and this is the important bit, I did not increase my roll by working my way through the cash levels. I had some good sessions short stacking up to NL50 but the majority of cash was made on levels below NL10. So from a cash play perspective I am not going to start playing NL20, well not yet anyway. Probably about £400ish I won in MTT so I am not going to get carried away and start playing higher limits just because I can or think I should or that others think I should. With the DYM also I know I can beat all levels up to £5 and dipping my toe into £11 ones.
So if I am trying to beat NL10, £5 DYM – what BR do I need and – so therefore I opted for £230
I feel the important bit is, does the fact that I have reserve BR effect my in game decisions – I would say No! But to be truthful I have thought this myself, that maybe it’s creating an adverse affect.
So what I am doing now with this BR is trying to build to £500, which for me will be profit but doing it by not leapfrogging cash levels – hope this makes sense because once I reach £500 I should be beating NL10 and get out of the micros and start to play NL20 – so I am being rarther conservative with my overall roll but I feel it’s the right thing to do
£230 is fine for NL10/£5 DYM but if you drop consideretly lower than that figure it needs adjusting imo.
I personally started the £5.50's with £220 but made a promise I'd move back down if I dropped past £165, one main reason for this is it slows down the losing process, 5 losses = £16.50 rather than £27.50 etc. On a sidenote I'll never play lower than £3.30 (even If I'm down to <20 BI's) but that's just due to the awful rake.
Also on cash I had a shot at NL10 with about £180 I think so again £230 is fine but once again it needs adjusting under intense variance, so at least moving down to NL8 and probably NL4, even if that kills you lol.
Finally another idea could be to get to a certain level where you're safe in terms of BR (can NEVER go broke) then any extra money you make just save it up and pump it into BIG MTT's where you seem to make a good part of your roll.
Had a great start and doubled to £220, dabbled with £10 (4 games) and now have hit this sticky patch. Even If I just play DYM for a while I can’t see me dropping much lower, unless I hit a really monster downswing.
Regarding cash, it does make it tricky with 15 buy ins at NL10. Need to have two +£40 sessions. This is very possible but also could go very wrong.
May just grind DYM and play mini £2-£3 MTT’s for a while and grind back up.
May also play some small £1-£3 STT, they are very soft!
Knowing me I’ll load up 3x NL10 this evening and wreck it all )
Wow you must have ran like Jesus in those first few games!
Overall though it's defo best to be more conservative as there's no guarentee you'll run as good as you once did again, but it's kind of hard to to be disciplined when you know you have this safety net of an external BR to fall back on :S....
Hi rancid I`m actually goin through a similar spell on cash and hu stts a my bankroll was up to £330 at one point last week now i`m down to £118 running bad,playing bad,tilting,not being disciplined with ma roll when on tilt I am just hating poker so much right now think i`m goin 2 take a break for a couple of days and go bak to 5nl with roughly 23buyins and just stick to that no satellite no mtts and no stts just cash and keep movin up levels when i have 25 to 30 buyins
1. Don't give up and play NL4/5 and/or £5 DYM and hope this turns and I start playing/running better ) How can I give up, I don't do failure!
2. Give up and return to obsecurity, and my waiting reserve roll<--------seems like a good idea right now
This diary may end badly unlike the last one, which ended on a fantastic high
How do I feel about this ? Downhearted Lets hope for a nice comeback
Does this not highlight the high & lows of internet poker WOW, I am so bored of this - this diary has become or some may say was always - a tad grim ) Cry my £5 DYM graph
Why don't you start grinding the £1-3 DYM's and regular sngs? I know the rake is higher but the games are softer and it could be very positive for you to see progress on your BR or smaller swings.
hi Rancid, looks like u had a tough night last hight....again. think u need to get back playing INSIDE your b/roll again,imo. at least while u r running cold. it,s ok when u r wining those 50/50,s but as u r finding out,not so good when losing them. go back to playing solid abc poker and i,m sure things will turn around again 4 u.
If you're not running/playing too well at the moment might it not be a good idea to drop down for now and then maybe use your reserve roll to step up once your in a better state of mind to use it more effectively?
Thanks for the comments guys, stepping down to the £3 DYM’s is the only option if I drop below £100.
I now I can crush NL4, so may just smash this and get back up.
But………… I really don’t want to play NL4 again
I now it’s going to take a while to get back to £250ish to be able to crack right on with this but…………..
I have a lot of but’s………….
I am not sure I have the heart to grind from the bottom again, once you get out of bottom run you just don’t want to go back but……….
I feel obliged because I started this dam curse of a diary – lols
Why did I start this diary again….. maybe this has made me realise where my focus should be and I don’t think it’s playing NL4
When I started this diary is was for focus so I could move out of micro, I did not expect to be down to £100 odd and looking at the prospect of grinding NL4 to dig me out of this postion because I am too stubborn to say... **** it! ditch the fred and go back to what you was doing before you come up with this idea!
Maybe because it hasn't worked for the time being, I may be better off dicthing this fred and concentrating on NL10 with my reserve roll. My efforts from now to turn £100 grinding NL4 etc... may be just a waste of time as I will be just going over old ground.
Wow, I was pretty sure you would have had a great session last night well at least if that ONE game we had together was anything to go by, the amount of comebacks you/other short stack had in that was crazy lol
On the BR I know you don't want to but it seems moving down to £3.30 is your only option, the sample size isn't great but that gragh is only going one way right now and at least stepping down will slow that progress.....
But of course in your mind you have £900+ behind etc so why play £3.30's, that's silly, if this is the case just play till you go broke, then RELOAD BABY !
Wow, I was pretty sure you would have had a great session last night well at least if that ONE game we had together was anything to go by, the amount of comebacks you/other short stack had in that was crazy lol On the BR I know you don't want to but it seems moving down to £3.30 is your only option, the sample size isn't great but that gragh is only going one way right now and at least stepping down will slow that progress..... But of course in your mind you have £900+ behind etc so why play £3.30's, that's silly, if this is the case just play till you go broke, then RELOAD BABY ! Posted by Dudeskin8
That game was crazy ) Mad how everytime I shoved on bb, bb always had a hand - and I was binking my 40% or w/e Think I used up all my nine lifes in that one game lolz but so did other ss -
Just play till I go broke bit, yeah sounds great - but in all honesty I can't go broke here - how can I not beat NL4, think we are just talking about a slow grim grind - so doesn't sound great
or
load up 6x NL10 and boooooooooooom weekend easy money goes against any BRM but does sound tempting - boooooooooom or bust
ive been reading with interest and your situation is similar to the one i encountered a couple of weeks back.
i had experimented with nl10 as id been doin well over last few months at nl4 as you know. i started reasonably enough and was 6 buyins up in first couple of days but over the course of the next 3 days that turned into 10 buyins down, a swing of 16 in 3 days. it left me with around the same balance you are showing just now (i dont have back up funds to redeposit) and was facing a dilema.
i had been playing awful so i was facing 2 choices, 1, play til the lot has gone or 2. withdraw all remaining funds n take a break to get my head together again and reload when i felt good again
i took option 2 and salvaged something, i knew if i ad left money in my account i would have went back day after day till it was gone. i need to start over again at nl4 but thats my medicine i suppose and its gonna to be done im afraid, i need to rebuild.
guess what im trying to say is it may be best to take a complete break from the game wether it be for the weekend, a week , 2 weeks whatever it takes to clear the mind and come back refreshed and ready to battle again. this is the route i usually take and it works for me. maybe its the best prescription for yourself before bad choices cause more damage than has been done already.
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second point - phew!
third point - I blame dohhhhhh!
I'll be playing NL20 when the times right and when I feel good about my overall game and also feel good about how I am running
Just seems like I have come out of an upswing and now facing a downsing so lets just ride the wave
I kinda felt this coming, weird but when I start to feel oppo are going to hit there cards, they always do and vice versa when I am winning I know my hands will hold - really strange
No rush -_-
Having a income means poker can just be a sideline for me, so if it's nexk week, next month or in three months time then so be it
This is the rub Dudeskin because like you say I could play with my total roll and skim off what I make in profit. But and this is the important bit, I did not increase my roll by working my way through the cash levels. I had some good sessions short stacking up to NL50 but the majority of cash was made on levels below NL10. So from a cash play perspective I am not going to start playing NL20, well not yet anyway. Probably about £400ish I won in MTT so I am not going to get carried away and start playing higher limits just because I can or think I should or that others think I should. With the DYM also I know I can beat all levels up to £5 and dipping my toe into £11 ones.
So if I am trying to beat NL10, £5 DYM – what BR do I need and – so therefore I opted for £230
I feel the important bit is, does the fact that I have reserve BR effect my in game decisions – I would say No! But to be truthful I have thought this myself, that maybe it’s creating an adverse affect.
So what I am doing now with this BR is trying to build to £500, which for me will be profit but doing it by not leapfrogging cash levels – hope this makes sense because once I reach £500 I should be beating NL10 and get out of the micros and start to play NL20 – so I am being rarther conservative with my overall roll but I feel it’s the right thing to do
I hear ya, I started the £5 DYM with £110 roll.
Had a great start and doubled to £220, dabbled with £10 (4 games) and now have hit this sticky patch. Even If I just play DYM for a while I can’t see me dropping much lower, unless I hit a really monster downswing.
Regarding cash, it does make it tricky with 15 buy ins at NL10. Need to have two +£40 sessions. This is very possible but also could go very wrong.
May just grind DYM and play mini £2-£3 MTT’s for a while and grind back up.
May also play some small £1-£3 STT, they are very soft!
Knowing me I’ll load up 3x NL10 this evening and wreck it all )
Mmmmm tasty NL10 table – lets just have a look!
I do need discipline!
Just a spew junkie )
It's nice to have the confidence to be able to win it all back, but the reality may be something differant!
but hope run gd m8 gl
Lost 11
Won 6
suxors #hurts
Don't think I am playing my best so a few hands in clinic for feedback, some coolers and tough shove spots but I have some issues
Start BR £230
Current BR £106
Very simple choices now
1. Don't give up and play NL4/5 and/or £5 DYM and hope this turns and I start playing/running better )
How can I give up, I don't do failure!
2. Give up and return to obsecurity, and my waiting reserve roll<--------seems like a good idea right now
This diary may end badly unlike the last one, which ended on a fantastic high
How do I feel about this ?
Downhearted
Lets hope for a nice comeback
Does this not highlight the high & lows of internet poker
WOW, I am so bored of this - this diary has become or some may say was always - a tad grim )
Cry my £5 DYM graph
looks like u had a tough night last hight....again.
think u need to get back playing INSIDE your b/roll again,imo.
at least while u r running cold.
it,s ok when u r wining those 50/50,s
but as u r finding out,not so good when losing them.
go back to playing solid abc poker
and i,m sure things will turn around again 4 u.
good luck
devon
Thanks for the comments guys, stepping down to the £3 DYM’s is the only option if I drop below £100.
I now I can crush NL4, so may just smash this and get back up.
But………… I really don’t want to play NL4 again
I now it’s going to take a while to get back to £250ish to be able to crack right on with this but…………..
I have a lot of but’s………….
I am not sure I have the heart to grind from the bottom again, once you get out of bottom run you just don’t want to go back but……….
I feel obliged because I started this dam curse of a diary – lols
Why did I start this diary again….. maybe this has made me realise where my focus should be and I don’t think it’s playing NL4
When I started this diary is was for focus so I could move out of micro, I did not expect to be down to £100 odd and looking at the prospect of grinding NL4 to dig me out of this postion because I am too stubborn to say... **** it! ditch the fred and go back to what you was doing before you come up with this idea!
Maybe because it hasn't worked for the time being, I may be better off dicthing this fred and concentrating on NL10 with my reserve roll. My efforts from now to turn £100 grinding NL4 etc... may be just a waste of time as I will be just going over old ground.
Think I used up all my nine lifes in that one game lolz but so did other ss -
Just play till I go broke bit, yeah sounds great - but in all honesty I can't go broke here - how can I not beat NL4, think we are just talking about a slow grim grind - so doesn't sound great
or
load up 6x NL10 and boooooooooooom weekend easy money
goes against any BRM but does sound tempting - boooooooooom or bust
i had experimented with nl10 as id been doin well over last few months at nl4 as you know. i started reasonably enough and was 6 buyins up in first couple of days but over the course of the next 3 days that turned into 10 buyins down, a swing of 16 in 3 days. it left me with around the same balance you are showing just now (i dont have back up funds to redeposit) and was facing a dilema.
i had been playing awful so i was facing 2 choices,
1, play til the lot has gone or
2. withdraw all remaining funds n take a break to get my head together again and reload when i felt good again
i took option 2 and salvaged something, i knew if i ad left money in my account i would have went back day after day till it was gone. i need to start over again at nl4 but thats my medicine i suppose and its gonna to be done im afraid, i need to rebuild.
guess what im trying to say is it may be best to take a complete break from the game wether it be for the weekend, a week , 2 weeks whatever it takes to clear the mind and come back refreshed and ready to battle again. this is the route i usually take and it works for me. maybe its the best prescription for yourself before bad choices cause more damage than has been done already.