Just been knocked out of a £250 bounty hunter in 5th place, i had AA raised x3 from first spot had a reraise from big blind then i moved allin, i was loving it when i saw JJ in the big blind only for him to hit a J on the river, this is my biggest suckout ever, what are your thoughts and how can i get the hand shown on tv? Posted by drkpadawan
Hi
To have the hand shown, please click here, unfortunately its poker, you do get outdrawn, you want him to call
HI TIKAY thanks for your quick reply to my MVP question I thought that was the case two points of interest 1)should the money be divided into 5 x £20 for each leg to the top money winner 2)MVP isfor the most consistent player over the 5 legs of a tournament therefore MVP would become TCP ie top cash player Would be interested to here other players comments
HI TIKAY thanks for your quick reply to my MVP question I thought that was the case two points of interest 1)should the money be divided into 5 x £20 for each leg to the top money winner 2)MVP isfor the most consistent player over the 5 legs of a tournament therefore MVP would become TCP ie top cash player Would be interested to here other players comments Posted by JCG45
Hi JC,
For TKO II, which, bar the Winners Freeroll, has now fnished,the Rules are quite clear, they say......
"....The Most Valuable Player on each team (decided by who has won the most money for their side) will be given an additional £100 prize on top of any winnings made during the five TKO events....."
im an advocate of the big stack should never agree...because if a deal is reached, the low stacks become looser and shove with a wider range, changing the dynamics of the game
whats your opinion on deals in the final table? im an advocate of the big stack should never agree...because if a deal is reached, the low stacks become looser and shove with a wider range, changing the dynamics of the game ive had many an argument over this any thoughts? Posted by cyberman
Each to their own really. (We are talking Live poker here).
Deals DO affect "the play" of the game, no doubt about it, the shorties can shove with impunity once a Deal has been done.
Two things though....
1) EVERYONE at the Table has to agree to the Deal. If one player dissents, that's it, no Deal. So you never have to do a Deal.
2) As a general etiquette, rather than "Rule" as such, the Chip Daddy should be given first refusal on whether a Deal should be done. If he says "no", end of discussion.
Personally, I've probably done more Final Table "deals" than almost anyone. That's because.....
a) I'd rather go with the flow, because I don't go to play poker to get involved in arguments, & "deal discussions" often get heated. So I tend to wander off while the discussion takes place, & tell them that I'll go with whatever the Table agrees. I've never turned a Deal down that I can recall, to be honest.
b) To make a Final Table, no matter who you are, takes a degree of luck, & I don't like to push it, so if they want a Deal, fine, if they don't, still fine. No point in being greedy, imo.
The whole reason so many Deals get done is the real problem - and it's because the Prize structures are way too top heavy. That's a fact, not an opinion, as around 80% of all Final Tables end in some sort of Deal. So if the organizers were a shade brighter, they'd flatten the payout structure, then players would not be so keen to Deal.
The spookiest thing about deals is the "curse of the Deal refuser". As sure as day follows night, the guy who refuses to Deal almost always busts out next!
I made a Final on Sunday, in a £100 Jobbie, with only 4 paid, & it was suggested a saver be done for 5th & 6th. One guy refused, & got all mardy about it. And busted 7th. Before he had left his Seat, the remaining 6 of us agreed the saver......;)
Hi tikay I may have a chance of playing a live game, something caled the redtooth league, I just wondered if you have heard of it please ? Posted by acebarry10
It's a pub league Barry and operates ll over the country, has done for a few years
Hi Barry, AcesOverr8's answer is spot on, not much I can add, They are one of the largest & most organized Pub Leagues in the UK. They have an Annual National Final at DTD, or used to. Posted by Tikay10
Tk how c u m every time i play on sky poker i get rivered played 3 games on sky to day and rivered 3 time and was bulbble 3 times as well why does this only happen on her i play on william hill full tilt Ladbrokes puls more and i am up over 10 k this year. but just geting sick of bad beats that i get on her think that is y i have moved and start to play more else were.
I like skypoker but think it is time to stop playing on her and put my money else were. were it works for me. get back to me when you get time tk thanks babyboy08.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : No need to apologise for being new Mr ....err...Xexeu. How do you pronounce that? The question is quite hard to answer really. Personally, I'm never a fan of seeing a lot of flops, it's - imho - a fundamental error that most inexperienced players make. See less flops, be more selective, get more respect, & play them better. But most would have different views on that. I hope you enjoy things here at Sky Poker. Posted by Tikay10
Hi Tikay ty very much for answearing my question any advice helps. Re: my name, Xexeu was a mythylogical warlord known as the creator of storms it is pronounced Zexoo. Hopefully i can create a storm or too with your advice, and i dont get sruck by my own lightning.
Hey Staford03, obviously when things go wrong they really go wrong!!
During my TP week I was rivered so many times it wasn't even funny, on the Tuesday night I lost with KK three times, got my chips in good but lost to 66, 33 and A9!! Even when I reached a BH final table I got my chips in with A10 got called with A7 - turn 7, river 7!! I bubbled in 2 DYM's with QQ against worse hands and I lost virtually every flip during this week - Even on the Thursday night I go to the casino, doing really well and hoping my online luck doesn't follow me - I get my money in good with KK and the guy has Ah Jd, 3 hearts on the flop and a heart on the turn and boom I am virtually out!! Im not listing bad beats in order to say how unlucky I was etc - at the end of the day it's just poker it happens no matter where you play - you will always go through bad runs BUT that makes the good times even sweeter, trust me, it will get better mate!! Played a Live MTT recently and won £1500 and sucked out a couple of times along the way - that is the beauty of poker I believe!! Battle through the bad times now mate, it will make you stronger, It certinally has made me a stronger person and now I shrug the bad beats off and move on knowing that the next poker game could be the one that changes my luck!!
What I am trying to say in simpler terms, I play on most of the sites you named as well and understand your frustration but Sky poker aren't making you lose on purpose, I can honestly say that it's my favourite online site, you must be running good on those other sites so if it helps take a break from here for a few days if it but things will even themselves out mate.
Not sure if this one is in your remit but hope you could possibly answer/pass onto someone who could. After the great success of the two TKO tourneys (apart from the overall result in both of them of course!), would it be possible to produce a list of say the top ten from each team for the best average finishing positions over the 5/6 legs?. I for one did not favour the way MVP was implemented last time. I do however agree that rules are rules and that decision is now final. My point is that as it happened one player can win one leg and prosper which is great for that player but just seems slightly unjust for all those players who cashed/had a good finishing position over all the legs. I think the current system needs to be looked at and or adjusted for any further TKO's. I also think that Jan from your team and Apollo from ours did a extremely tremendous job of producing them lists for each team but as Sky Poker hold all the team lists, would it not be possible to produce a up to date list after each leg and incorporate it into a league somewhere on the site? I hope you don't think this post is trying to bite the hand that feeds me and can understand some of the logic in my questions and hopefully see that I am trying to contribute in making the TKO's in the future even better than they are now.
if they ask you straight out then i suppose its hard to refuse around the north of ireland they have the dealer deal out the final table with 2 cards...a red and a black red is for deal, black is no deal you throw in your choice and the dealer throws them up..if theres 1 black then theres no deal its not easy to hide when theres 1 black and 1 monster chip leader...at least if theres 3 even big stacks then you can lie and blame someone else lol i also believe in the curse of the deal refuser! Posted by cyberman
I like this system
I only play about 10 or so live tournaments a year (if that) so it doesn't usually affect me.
But last year I got to the final table of a tournament as chip leader and refused a saver deal for the next person out (the only person with the structure they had that wouldn't get paid)
I didn't like doing it, but it just wasn't the right thing for me to do in my position.
Not only did I get hit by the curse of the deal refuser and go completely card dead for the whole of the final table, but one of the locals took offence at my deal refusal and specifically targetted me. Often over shoving preflop - just to steal my blinds for example.
If it wasn't for "the curse" I could have profitted greatly from this - but as it was I was lucky to end up getting 3rd in this tournament.
And that was all down to the chip leader getting first refusal on a deal
Tikay , could u review my hand in this tourney i was in . My hand I.D is 234923628. My alias is adamw and would appreciate the advice on wether it was the right thing to do or is it just a bad beat. Who was right + who was wrong ? Thanks if u can do that !!
Tikay , could u review my hand in this tourney i was in . My hand I.D is 234923628. My alias is adamw and would appreciate the advice on wether it was the right thing to do or is it just a bad beat. Who was right + who was wrong ? Thanks if u can do that !! Posted by adamw
Hi Adam,
I'm unable to access other players Hand Histories I'm afaid, & it would be improper if I could, sorry.
If you can Post the Hand up on here, obviously, I'd be happy to offer a view on it.
Hello TK Not sure if this one is in your remit but hope you could possibly answer/pass onto someone who could. After the great success of the two TKO tourneys (apart from the overall result in both of them of course!), would it be possible to produce a list of say the top ten from each team for the best average finishing positions over the 5/6 legs?. I for one did not favour the way MVP was implemented last time. I do however agree that rules are rules and that decision is now final. My point is that as it happened one player can win one leg and prosper which is great for that player but just seems slightly unjust for all those players who cashed/had a good finishing position over all the legs. I think the current system needs to be looked at and or adjusted for any further TKO's. I also think that Jan from your team and Apollo from ours did a extremely tremendous job of producing them lists for each team but as Sky Poker hold all the team lists, would it not be possible to produce a up to date list after each leg and incorporate it into a league somewhere on the site? I hope you don't think this post is trying to bite the hand that feeds me and can understand some of the logic in my questions and hopefully see that I am trying to contribute in making the TKO's in the future even better than they are now. Regards Alan Posted by MAXALLY
Hi Alan,
Those are good, constructive, suggestions, & I'll forward them to the guys at Harrogate who organise the TKO stuff.
Personally, I prefer the MVP system "as is", but I have no strong view on it either way.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hi Alan, Those are good, constructive, suggestions, & I'll forward them to the guys at Harrogate who organise the TKO stuff. Personally, I prefer the MVP system "as is", but I have no strong view on it either way. Posted by Tikay10
Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Wozzle Small blind 15.00 15.00 1590.00 lizzybee Big blind 30.00 45.00 2758.75 Your hole cards Q s K s staford03 Raise 120.00 165.00 1876.25 nils1972 Fold XiBobiX Fold kes99 Fold Wozzle Call 105.00 270.00 1485.00 lizzybee Call 90.00 360.00 2668.75 Flop 4 h 8 s Q h Wozzle Check lizzybee Check staford03 Bet 360.00 720.00 1516.25 Wozzle Call 360.00 1080.00 1125.00 lizzybee Fold Turn J c Wozzle Check staford03 Bet 1080.00 2160.00 436.25 Wozzle Call 1080.00 3240.00 45.00 River 5 c Wozzle All-in 45.00 3285.00 0.00 staford03 Call 45.00 3330.00 391.25 Wozzle Show 5 h Q c staford03 Show Q s K s Wozzle . Win Two Pairs, Queens and 5s 3330.00 Tk how c u m every time i play on sky poker i get rivered played 3 games on sky to day and rivered 3 time and was bulbble 3 times as well why does this only happen on her i play on william hill full tilt Ladbrokes puls more and i am up over 10 k this year. but just geting sick of bad beats that i get on her think that is y i have moved and start to play more else were. I like skypoker but think it is time to stop playing on her and put my money else were. were it works for me. get back to me when you get time tk thanks babyboy08. 3330.00 Posted by staford03
Hi staford,
Excuse my stupidity, but I'm not quite sure what your question is?
Comments
To have the hand shown, please click here, unfortunately its poker, you do get outdrawn, you want him to call
thanks for your quick reply to my MVP question I thought that was the case two points of interest
1)should the money be divided into 5 x £20 for each leg to the top money winner
2)MVP isfor the most consistent player over the 5 legs of a tournament therefore MVP would become TCP
ie top cash player
Would be interested to here other players comments
For TKO II, which, bar the Winners Freeroll, has now fnished,the Rules are quite clear, they say......
"....The Most Valuable Player on each team (decided by who has won the most money for their side) will be given an additional £100 prize on top of any winnings made during the five TKO events....."
The Rules can be found HERE
However, for TKO III, there is no reason why, if there is strong player views on this, that The Suits would not take note.
Personally, I favour the existing system, but I can see the merits of both.
im an advocate of the big stack should never agree...because if a deal is reached, the low stacks become looser and shove with a wider range, changing the dynamics of the game
ive had many an argument over this
any thoughts?
Deals DO affect "the play" of the game, no doubt about it, the shorties can shove with impunity once a Deal has been done.
Two things though....
1) EVERYONE at the Table has to agree to the Deal. If one player dissents, that's it, no Deal. So you never have to do a Deal.
2) As a general etiquette, rather than "Rule" as such, the Chip Daddy should be given first refusal on whether a Deal should be done. If he says "no", end of discussion.
Personally, I've probably done more Final Table "deals" than almost anyone. That's because.....
a) I'd rather go with the flow, because I don't go to play poker to get involved in arguments, & "deal discussions" often get heated. So I tend to wander off while the discussion takes place, & tell them that I'll go with whatever the Table agrees. I've never turned a Deal down that I can recall, to be honest.
b) To make a Final Table, no matter who you are, takes a degree of luck, & I don't like to push it, so if they want a Deal, fine, if they don't, still fine. No point in being greedy, imo.
The whole reason so many Deals get done is the real problem - and it's because the Prize structures are way too top heavy. That's a fact, not an opinion, as around 80% of all Final Tables end in some sort of Deal. So if the organizers were a shade brighter, they'd flatten the payout structure, then players would not be so keen to Deal.
The spookiest thing about deals is the "curse of the Deal refuser". As sure as day follows night, the guy who refuses to Deal almost always busts out next!
I made a Final on Sunday, in a £100 Jobbie, with only 4 paid, & it was suggested a saver be done for 5th & 6th. One guy refused, & got all mardy about it. And busted 7th. Before he had left his Seat, the remaining 6 of us agreed the saver......;)
around the north of ireland they have the dealer deal out the final table with 2 cards...a red and a black
red is for deal, black is no deal
you throw in your choice and the dealer throws them up..if theres 1 black then theres no deal
its not easy to hide when theres 1 black and 1 monster chip leader...at least if theres 3 even big stacks then you can lie and blame someone else lol
i also believe in the curse of the deal refuser!
I may have a chance of playing a live game, something caled the redtooth league, I just wondered if you have heard of it please ?
Hi Barry,
AcesOverr8's answer is spot on, not much I can add, They are one of the largest & most organized Pub Leagues in the UK.
They have an Annual National Final at DTD, or used to.
Wozzle
Small blind
15.00
15.00
1590.00
lizzybee
Big blind
30.00
45.00
2758.75
Your hole cards
Q s
K s
staford03
Raise
120.00
165.00
1876.25
nils1972
Fold
XiBobiX
Fold
kes99
Fold
Wozzle
Call
105.00
270.00
1485.00
lizzybee
Call
90.00
360.00
2668.75
4 h
8 s
Q h
Wozzle
Check
lizzybee
Check
staford03
Bet
360.00
720.00
1516.25
Wozzle
Call
360.00
1080.00
1125.00
lizzybee
Fold
J c
Wozzle
Check
staford03
Bet
1080.00
2160.00
436.25
Wozzle
Call
1080.00
3240.00
45.00
5 c
Wozzle
All-in
45.00
3285.00
0.00
staford03
Call
45.00
3330.00
391.25
Wozzle
Show
5 h
Q c
staford03
Show
Q s
K s
Wozzle
.
Win
Two Pairs, Queens and 5s
Tk how c u m every time i play on sky poker i get rivered played 3 games on sky to day and rivered 3 time and was bulbble 3 times as well why does this only happen on her i play on william hill full tilt Ladbrokes puls more and i am up over 10 k this year. but just geting sick of bad beats that i get on her think that is y i have moved and start to play more else were.
I like skypoker but think it is time to stop playing on her and put my money else were. were it works for me. get back to me when you get time tk thanks babyboy08.
3330.00
Xexeu was a mythylogical warlord known as the creator of storms it is pronounced Zexoo. Hopefully i can create a storm or too with your advice, and i dont get sruck by my own lightning.
Hey Staford03, obviously when things go wrong they really go wrong!!
During my TP week I was rivered so many times it wasn't even funny, on the Tuesday night I lost with KK three times, got my chips in good but lost to 66, 33 and A9!! Even when I reached a BH final table I got my chips in with A10 got called with A7 - turn 7, river 7!! I bubbled in 2 DYM's with QQ against worse hands and I lost virtually every flip during this week - Even on the Thursday night I go to the casino, doing really well and hoping my online luck doesn't follow me - I get my money in good with KK and the guy has Ah Jd, 3 hearts on the flop and a heart on the turn and boom I am virtually out!! Im not listing bad beats in order to say how unlucky I was etc - at the end of the day it's just poker it happens no matter where you play - you will always go through bad runs BUT that makes the good times even sweeter, trust me, it will get better mate!! Played a Live MTT recently and won £1500 and sucked out a couple of times along the way - that is the beauty of poker I believe!! Battle through the bad times now mate, it will make you stronger, It certinally has made me a stronger person and now I shrug the bad beats off and move on knowing that the next poker game could be the one that changes my luck!!
What I am trying to say in simpler terms, I play on most of the sites you named as well and understand your frustration but Sky poker aren't making you lose on purpose, I can honestly say that it's my favourite online site, you must be running good on those other sites so if it helps take a break from here for a few days if it but things will even themselves out mate.
Not sure if this one is in your remit but hope you could possibly answer/pass onto someone who could.
After the great success of the two TKO tourneys (apart from the overall result in both of them of course!), would it be possible to produce a list of say the top ten from each team for the best average finishing positions over the 5/6 legs?. I for one did not favour the way MVP was implemented last time. I do however agree that rules are rules and that decision is now final. My point is that as it happened one player can win one leg and prosper which is great for that player but just seems slightly unjust for all those players who cashed/had a good finishing position over all the legs. I think the current system needs to be looked at and or adjusted for any further TKO's.
I also think that Jan from your team and Apollo from ours did a extremely tremendous job of producing them lists for each team but as Sky Poker hold all the team lists, would it not be possible to produce a up to date list after each leg and incorporate it into a league somewhere on the site?
I hope you don't think this post is trying to bite the hand that feeds me and can understand some of the logic in my questions and hopefully see that I am trying to contribute in making the TKO's in the future even better than they are now.
Regards
Alan
I only play about 10 or so live tournaments a year (if that) so it doesn't usually affect me.
But last year I got to the final table of a tournament as chip leader and refused a saver deal for the next person out (the only person with the structure they had that wouldn't get paid)
I didn't like doing it, but it just wasn't the right thing for me to do in my position.
Not only did I get hit by the curse of the deal refuser and go completely card dead for the whole of the final table, but one of the locals took offence at my deal refusal and specifically targetted me. Often over shoving preflop - just to steal my blinds for example.
If it wasn't for "the curse" I could have profitted greatly from this - but as it was I was lucky to end up getting 3rd in this tournament.
And that was all down to the chip leader getting first refusal on a deal
I'm unable to access other players Hand Histories I'm afaid, & it would be improper if I could, sorry.
If you can Post the Hand up on here, obviously, I'd be happy to offer a view on it.
Those are good, constructive, suggestions, & I'll forward them to the guys at Harrogate who organise the TKO stuff.
Personally, I prefer the MVP system "as is", but I have no strong view on it either way.
Excuse my stupidity, but I'm not quite sure what your question is?
Can you clarify, please?