hi tikay, my query is : how fair can it be mid tournament when tables are getting evened up and all of a sudden you have hmmmmm lets say tourny chip leader with 15,000 in chips whilst the rest of the table have an average of 3,000 each left. the term "taking candy of a baby" springs to mind.
hi tikay, my query is : how fair can it be mid tournament when tables are getting evened up and all of a sudden you have hmmmmm lets say tourny chip leader with 15,000 in chips whilst the rest of the table have an average of 3,000 each left. the term "taking candy of a baby" springs to mind. Posted by andsoitis7
It's random when they even the tables and as far as equality goes.... no one handed the chip leader his £15k, he won them. You could say it's not fair if someone is on 8k and leading their table then gets moved to the chip leaders table who has him doubled. It just doesn't work that way, random is the only fair system
hi tikay i wanted ur opinion of this hand. id no 235332488. i know i was obviously behind but because of the nature of yhe board ie 4 over cards possible straights etc would you say it was a great play or risky madness.
hi tikay i wanted ur opinion of this hand. id no 235332488. i know i was obviously behind but because of the nature of yhe board ie 4 over cards possible straights etc would you say it was a great play or risky madness. Posted by CALLANIE
Hi callanie
Unfornately, it is not possible for tikay, or anone else to see your hand history, sorry, you could always copy and paste it into the poker strategy section for comments
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? Hand review???? : Im in the s/b i have QQ there is a call, raise, fold, an all in, bk to me im all in over the top b/b folds, then a fold, at this point im happy u agree, then to my suprise a call. Cards are shown : adamw QQ diamonds clubs -urjoking- AQ hearts seca 66 diamonds hearts im still relatively happy ? Flop comes Kd 8s Jh Turn Jc now the bit im not happy about River 10s i lose to a straight when i re-raised to show strength was it a bad beat or a bad call by -urjoking- ur opinion would be gratefully appreciated and if u could show it on the channel as a hand review that would be amazing CHEERS adamw Posted by adamw
Hi Adam,
I'm not sure if they will be able to show the Hand on the Channel, that's outwith my remit, the Producers decide these thngs. To get a hand shown on the Channel, Post it on the "Play My Hand" Thread on the Sky Poker TV Channel, which I see you have already done, so fingers crossed for you.
As to the hand, well....
We don't have many details with which to contextualise it, but I gather it was an £80 Guaranteed Tourney.
The context of the hand is critical when judging these things,. By context, I mean.....
a) Stage of the Tourney,
b) The Blinds,
c) The relative stack sizes,
d) How many paid,
e) How deep in the Tourney we are,
f) Position,
g) The table dynamic, (loose, tight, aggro, passive etc).
These all go to form the context of the hand. A right play in one context is a wrong play in another context, when the variables are different. So with the details available, it's hard to give a definitive "right or wrong".
Was it a bad-beat, or a bad call by A-Q man? Well, see "context", it rather depends, but A-Q man would be more than happy with his play if you had one spot less - J-J rather than Q-Q, as he'd be racing. And you MAY have easily had J-J or T-T & played it identically.
If he had hit his Ace, you would not have minded so much, but he did it the hard way, & I fancy that's what you find so painful. But it does not matter how he got there - the maths which determine these things allow for everything.
So let's look at the maths, here are the pre-flop odds of the three hands.....
Q-Q - 50%
A-Q - 28%
6-6 - 20%
(The "missing" 2% is made up of split pot odds, & I've rounded all %'s to the nearest whole).
So, Pre-Flop you were only - & I say "only" reservedly - a 50/50 shot against "the field". Even money, you win half the time, & you lose half the ime, in effect you are flipping". And it's never a bad beat if you are "only" even money, which you were.
After the flop, you were (respectively) 60% - 31% - 8%. So now you win this 6 times in 10 - which really, is only slightly better than evens - we are still almost flipping.
After the Turn, you are in quite good shape - 78% - 17% - 5%, so now you win 4 times in 5.
So yes, post-Turn, you are a bit unlucky. But Post-turn is completely irrelevant.
Why so? Because all the money went in pre-flop - when you were "only" 50/50. Forget the flop & turn, you went in as a 50/50 shot, & lost. You will do that 1 time in 2.
So no, it was not a bad-beat in my book. I can't comment if it was a bad call by A-Q man as I don't know the context. But it does not matter, you must forget whether the other player or players play bad - that has nothing to do with it. You cannot control their play, it will always be so, so just concentrate on your on play, that is all you can do. What I can say is that you played the hand perfectly - you DID - & lost, & I'm afraid that's how poker works sometimes.
Forget how bad you think other players play, because you can't control that, concentrate on your own game, & keep getting your money in good, as you did, & you'll be alright.
Please remember that poker is primarily a luck-based game, in which the better, more technically correct players, have a small edge. And that, although it looked a bad one, on closer examinaton, you were only a 50-50 shot here when the money went in.
Maths & 52 playing card do the most remarkable things, which is what makes poker such a fascinating game.
I do hope that helps bud, just keep getting your money in good, forget what others do, & you'll do just fine.
hi tikay, my query is : how fair can it be mid tournament when tables are getting evened up and all of a sudden you have hmmmmm lets say tourny chip leader with 15,000 in chips whilst the rest of the table have an average of 3,000 each left. the term "taking candy of a baby" springs to mind. Posted by andsoitis7
Hi Mr and,
The reply by ACESOVER8s it spot on. It's completely random, on all Online Sites, & in Live Poker.
It's also 6 of one, half-dozen of the other. If you get moved to a Table of big stacks, then more chips are on offer for you to win, so it's as broad as it's long.
Also, in the short term, poker is not a fair game, & it never has been. In the long-term, the swings & roundabouts even everything up though.
Try to be "glass half-full" when you play poker. If you get moved to a Table of big stacks, rub your hands together with glee - look at all those chips on offer. If you look at what seems unfair in poker, you will not enjoy it as much as you should. A lot of stuff in poker seems unfair, just as in life, but really it's not, it's just how poker & life are. Full of obstacles & surprises, & how we deal with them will determine our success.
Hi Tikay I'm suffering badly from chasing double-ended straight draws. Sometimes, after the flop, I need one card to completed the straight but it seldom comes. I read that the odds are around 32% to complete a double-ended. Am I wasting my money? RayKar Posted by RayKar
Hi Ray,
When you say it "seldom comes", over time it comes one time in three. So, again over time, you will lose that coup two times in 3.
If - and only if - you are getting the right price, then it's a completely neutral play. But we rarely get the right price on draws, & that''s when we waste money. Bookmakes play good poker, because they understand the odds!
Try getting your money in good - i.e., when ahead, & let the others chase the draws when they don't have the right price, & you will be surprised at the improvement in your results. Chasing draws is completely hunky-dory ONLY if you can get the right price. Omaha is a drawing game, Hold Em is not.
hello, i am new to online poker and its completly different from playing againt people you can see and read. i have been watching your sky poker channel for a couple of days now and trying to take tips but none of them seem to be sinking in! so i am wondering if you have and tips and advise for playing cash games and wondered if you could review my hand history to tell me where i am going wrong.
hello, i am new to online poker and its completly different from playing againt people you can see and read. i have been watching your sky poker channel for a couple of days now and trying to take tips but none of them seem to be sinking in! so i am wondering if you have and tips and advise for playing cash games and wondered if you could review my hand history to tell me where i am going wrong. thanks JWOX Posted by JWOX
Hi JWOX, & welcome to Sky Poker.
Wow, what a question!
Well it's a bit of a "wide" question, but here's a few things that I try to adhere to.
These are mostly generalisms.
1) Don't play too many hands. Bad players are invariably bad because they play too many hands.
2) Always remember "position" (that's LATE Position) is your biggest friend in poker.
3) It is ALWAYS better to bet than to call. Always. Put the pressure on the OTHER player, make him/her be the one who squirms uncomfortably.
4) Hands like A-K & A-Q versus an underpair are NOT 50/50 as most people think. Play them correctly - powerfully, by applying pressure, & you are, on average, 75-25 with these hands.
5) Never tilt. Idiots tilt, bad players tilt.
6) Don't get upset about bad beats. If you play the game properly, you'll get your better hands busted, on average, 1 time in 3. Accept it, it happens, it's poker. Moaning about it will not help - it will happen, move on, next case.
7) Remember it's just a game. Do as they will be done, treat others with the respct you expect them to treat you with.
8) Play WELL within your Bankroll. If you play above your Bankroll, the beats will hurt. A lot. And you'll get all upset & moany-woany.
9) Enjoy it. It's just a game.
10) Try to run good! If you get the technical basics right, you have many years of fun ahead of you, & it will cost you nothing. You won't win much, either, unless you have exceptional talent, but it's free recreation.
on sunday sky shows live PRIMO and the same repeat over the week. Y oh Y do they show the repeat again on mondys? y not show the 5K bounty hunter live?Y wod i want 2 c the same show which i saw last n8 over again? Y dont sky show the finaltable of primo on mondays? WHAT A BUNCH OF WALLIES!
on sunday sky shows live PRIMO and the same repeat over the week. Y oh Y do they show the repeat again on mondys? y not show the 5K bounty hunter live?Y wod i want 2 c the same show which i saw last n8 over again? Y dont sky show the finaltable of primo on mondays? WHAT A BUNCH OF WALLIES! Posted by -GENERAL-
Channel 865 have not had a Live Show on Monday for over a year as far as I can recall GENERAL, though as a regular viewer I'm sure you knew that. There are in fact very good reasons why they don't broadcast Live Shows 7 nights per week now.
I'll pass your best regards onto the Channel Suits, though I'll swerve calling them "a bunch of wallies" if you don't mind, that'd be a tad disrespectful in my book.
After a hard weekend grafting away at low level tourneys and sit'n' go's I have slightly less in my pocket than which I started with on Friday. Like Tikay, I am a man of limited means so heading off and playing with the big boys is not an option. I played on a number of sites as well as this, [just for the variety].The end result being the same. Loonies who will pursue your pocket AA or flopped set to the ends of the earth with their suited A5 or their 94 offsuit and who inevitably go all in on the turn and hit their miracle card on the river.
Or the rubbish 38 suited you're dealt from UTG that you muck only to see the flop make you the flush or the straight. I was dealt 72 offsuit about 7 times [mucked naturally] only to see it flop the full house five times out of the seven!! I am seriously beginning to think of it as a premium starting hand!!
I am going to have a T-shirt printed with the logo "IF IT WASN'T FOR BAD LUCK I'D HAVE NO LUCK AT ALL".
Orders now being taken.........send me your sizes and I'll get a bulk lot made!!
Hi folks. After a hard weekend grafting away at low level tourneys and sit'n' go's I have slightly less in my pocket than which I started with on Friday. Like Tikay, I am a man of limited means so heading off and playing with the big boys is not an option. I played on a number of sites as well as this, [just for the variety].The end result being the same. Loonies who will pursue your pocket AA or flopped set to the ends of the earth with their suited A5 or their 94 offsuit and who inevitably go all in on the turn and hit their miracle card on the river. Or the rubbish 38 suited you're dealt from UTG that you muck only to see the flop make you the flush or the straight. I was dealt 72 offsuit about 7 times [mucked naturally] only to see it flop the full house five times out of the seven!! I am seriously beginning to think of it as a premium starting hand!! I am going to have a T-shirt printed with the logo "IF IT WASN'T FOR BAD LUCK I'D HAVE NO LUCK AT ALL". Orders now being taken.........send me your sizes and I'll get a bulk lot made!! Tikay...shall I put you down for one? Mike Posted by bobcat52
Lol Mike, I sense it's a bit uphill for you right now!
OK, you lost a little over the weekend, but did you enjoy yourself? Did you look forward with a tingle in your stomach to each new session, to each & every fresh hand dealt to you - "will it be those Aces?" - "will I see a 5-8-9 Flop with my 6-7 & get paid?" - because although you don't realise it, that's all part of enjoying poker.
Remember what the legendary golfer, Gary Player, once said. "The more I practice, the luckier I get". That'd be my t-shirt I think.
I hope the warm wind of variance pays you a visit soon Mike, you are a good guy, & deserve it.
Hi Tikay, as you are generally a fairly conservative player I would appreciate your take on the situation I found myself in a couple of days ago. I was in the Primo semi lying 16th out of 31 with 26 to go through. I had 7200 chips and there were 7 or 8 players with less than 5000. UTG, with 10000, chips bet 3200. I was next to go and I had KK. I was thinking long and hard about whether to shove or fold. Would you consider folding in this situation or is KK just too good to let go?
Hi Tikay, as you are generally a fairly conservative player I would appreciate your take on the situation I found myself in a couple of days ago. I was in the Primo semi lying 16th out of 31 with 26 to go through. I had 7200 chips and there were 7 or 8 players with less than 5000. UTG, with 10000, chips bet 3200. I was next to go and I had KK. I was thinking long and hard about whether to shove or fold. Would you consider folding in this situation or is KK just too good to let go? Posted by Seagull158
You don't say what the Blinds were Seagull?
So I'm not sure of "where you were", but if 26 players were to get a Seat, & there are 31 left, & 7 or 8 of them have less than you, I think I'd pretty much shut up shop here, & be going to pass my way to the Seat.
IF you think you can get there without playing another hand, then thats exactly what you should do. But if you consider you are not yet home & hosed, well, just shove with those Kings.
It's a close one, & depends on the Blinds, but in a Super-Sat, thats the default setting - shut up shop if you have the seat in sight.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : You don't say what the Blinds were Seagull? So I'm not sure of "where you were", but if 26 players were to get a Seat, & there are 31 left, & 7 or 8 of them have less than you, I think I'd pretty much shut up shop here, & be going to pass my way to the Seat. IF you think you can get there without playing another hand, then thats exactly what you should do. But if you consider you are not yet home & hosed, well, just shove with those Kings. It's a close one, & depends on the Blinds, but in a Super-Sat, thats the default setting - shut up shop if you have the seat in sight. Posted by Tikay10
The blinds were 400/800 and I actually had 7615 chips with 15 players below me. He raised 4*BB. I shoved (!!!!), thinking double up and relax. He called me with AA and I was out iin 30th. I have never considered folding KK but I did think about it as the time bar went down.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : The blinds were 400/800 and I actually had 7615 chips with 15 players below me. He raised 4*BB. I shoved (!!!!), thinking double up and relax. He called me with AA and I was out iin 30th. I have never considered folding KK but I did think about it as the time bar went down. Posted by Seagull158
Ugh.
So you had 9 x BB, but there were 15 players with less, & you were 4 or 5 off the seat?
It's quite a close one actually, but it's still a fold. In fact even AA is probably a fold there.
When playing Super Sats you have to use a completely different mindset to "normal" Tourney poker. In this case, your target was to finish in the top 26.
The default play there, every single time, is to Pass, but I can understand your play, as your stack was gettting close to "marginal".
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hi tikay,
my query is :
how fair can it be mid tournament when tables are getting evened up and all of a sudden you have hmmmmm lets say tourny chip leader with 15,000 in chips whilst the rest of the table have an average of 3,000 each left.
the term "taking candy of a baby" springs to mind.
Unfornately, it is not possible for tikay, or anone else to see your hand history, sorry, you could always copy and paste it into the poker strategy section for comments
I'm not sure if they will be able to show the Hand on the Channel, that's outwith my remit, the Producers decide these thngs. To get a hand shown on the Channel, Post it on the "Play My Hand" Thread on the Sky Poker TV Channel, which I see you have already done, so fingers crossed for you.
As to the hand, well....
We don't have many details with which to contextualise it, but I gather it was an £80 Guaranteed Tourney.
The context of the hand is critical when judging these things,. By context, I mean.....
a) Stage of the Tourney,
b) The Blinds,
c) The relative stack sizes,
d) How many paid,
e) How deep in the Tourney we are,
f) Position,
g) The table dynamic, (loose, tight, aggro, passive etc).
These all go to form the context of the hand. A right play in one context is a wrong play in another context, when the variables are different. So with the details available, it's hard to give a definitive "right or wrong".
Was it a bad-beat, or a bad call by A-Q man? Well, see "context", it rather depends, but A-Q man would be more than happy with his play if you had one spot less - J-J rather than Q-Q, as he'd be racing. And you MAY have easily had J-J or T-T & played it identically.
If he had hit his Ace, you would not have minded so much, but he did it the hard way, & I fancy that's what you find so painful. But it does not matter how he got there - the maths which determine these things allow for everything.
So let's look at the maths, here are the pre-flop odds of the three hands.....
Q-Q - 50%
A-Q - 28%
6-6 - 20%
(The "missing" 2% is made up of split pot odds, & I've rounded all %'s to the nearest whole).
So, Pre-Flop you were only - & I say "only" reservedly - a 50/50 shot against "the field". Even money, you win half the time, & you lose half the ime, in effect you are flipping". And it's never a bad beat if you are "only" even money, which you were.
After the flop, you were (respectively) 60% - 31% - 8%. So now you win this 6 times in 10 - which really, is only slightly better than evens - we are still almost flipping.
After the Turn, you are in quite good shape - 78% - 17% - 5%, so now you win 4 times in 5.
So yes, post-Turn, you are a bit unlucky. But Post-turn is completely irrelevant.
Why so? Because all the money went in pre-flop - when you were "only" 50/50. Forget the flop & turn, you went in as a 50/50 shot, & lost. You will do that 1 time in 2.
So no, it was not a bad-beat in my book. I can't comment if it was a bad call by A-Q man as I don't know the context. But it does not matter, you must forget whether the other player or players play bad - that has nothing to do with it. You cannot control their play, it will always be so, so just concentrate on your on play, that is all you can do. What I can say is that you played the hand perfectly - you DID - & lost, & I'm afraid that's how poker works sometimes.
Forget how bad you think other players play, because you can't control that, concentrate on your own game, & keep getting your money in good, as you did, & you'll be alright.
Please remember that poker is primarily a luck-based game, in which the better, more technically correct players, have a small edge. And that, although it looked a bad one, on closer examinaton, you were only a 50-50 shot here when the money went in.
Maths & 52 playing card do the most remarkable things, which is what makes poker such a fascinating game.
I do hope that helps bud, just keep getting your money in good, forget what others do, & you'll do just fine.
Take care now.
The reply by ACESOVER8s it spot on. It's completely random, on all Online Sites, & in Live Poker.
It's also 6 of one, half-dozen of the other. If you get moved to a Table of big stacks, then more chips are on offer for you to win, so it's as broad as it's long.
Also, in the short term, poker is not a fair game, & it never has been. In the long-term, the swings & roundabouts even everything up though.
Try to be "glass half-full" when you play poker. If you get moved to a Table of big stacks, rub your hands together with glee - look at all those chips on offer. If you look at what seems unfair in poker, you will not enjoy it as much as you should. A lot of stuff in poker seems unfair, just as in life, but really it's not, it's just how poker & life are. Full of obstacles & surprises, & how we deal with them will determine our success.
Good Luck fella.
When you say it "seldom comes", over time it comes one time in three. So, again over time, you will lose that coup two times in 3.
If - and only if - you are getting the right price, then it's a completely neutral play. But we rarely get the right price on draws, & that''s when we waste money. Bookmakes play good poker, because they understand the odds!
Try getting your money in good - i.e., when ahead, & let the others chase the draws when they don't have the right price, & you will be surprised at the improvement in your results. Chasing draws is completely hunky-dory ONLY if you can get the right price. Omaha is a drawing game, Hold Em is not.
Good Luck.
thanks JWOX
Wow, what a question!
Well it's a bit of a "wide" question, but here's a few things that I try to adhere to.
These are mostly generalisms.
1) Don't play too many hands. Bad players are invariably bad because they play too many hands.
2) Always remember "position" (that's LATE Position) is your biggest friend in poker.
3) It is ALWAYS better to bet than to call. Always. Put the pressure on the OTHER player, make him/her be the one who squirms uncomfortably.
4) Hands like A-K & A-Q versus an underpair are NOT 50/50 as most people think. Play them correctly - powerfully, by applying pressure, & you are, on average, 75-25 with these hands.
5) Never tilt. Idiots tilt, bad players tilt.
6) Don't get upset about bad beats. If you play the game properly, you'll get your better hands busted, on average, 1 time in 3. Accept it, it happens, it's poker. Moaning about it will not help - it will happen, move on, next case.
7) Remember it's just a game. Do as they will be done, treat others with the respct you expect them to treat you with.
8) Play WELL within your Bankroll. If you play above your Bankroll, the beats will hurt. A lot. And you'll get all upset & moany-woany.
9) Enjoy it. It's just a game.
10) Try to run good! If you get the technical basics right, you have many years of fun ahead of you, & it will cost you nothing. You won't win much, either, unless you have exceptional talent, but it's free recreation.
Good Luck.
Y oh Y do they show the repeat again on mondys? y not show the 5K bounty hunter live?Y wod i want 2 c the same show which i saw last n8 over again? Y dont sky show the finaltable of primo on mondays?
WHAT A BUNCH OF WALLIES!
I'll pass your best regards onto the Channel Suits, though I'll swerve calling them "a bunch of wallies" if you don't mind, that'd be a tad disrespectful in my book.
Take care now.
After a hard weekend grafting away at low level tourneys and sit'n' go's I have slightly less in my pocket than which I started with on Friday. Like Tikay, I am a man of limited means so heading off and playing with the big boys is not an option. I played on a number of sites as well as this, [just for the variety].The end result being the same. Loonies who will pursue your pocket AA or flopped set to the ends of the earth with their suited A5 or their 94 offsuit and who inevitably go all in on the turn and hit their miracle card on the river.
Or the rubbish 38 suited you're dealt from UTG that you muck only to see the flop make you the flush or the straight. I was dealt 72 offsuit about 7 times [mucked naturally] only to see it flop the full house five times out of the seven!! I am seriously beginning to think of it as a premium starting hand!!
I am going to have a T-shirt printed with the logo "IF IT WASN'T FOR BAD LUCK I'D HAVE NO LUCK AT ALL".
Orders now being taken.........send me your sizes and I'll get a bulk lot made!!
Tikay...shall I put you down for one?
Mike
OK, you lost a little over the weekend, but did you enjoy yourself? Did you look forward with a tingle in your stomach to each new session, to each & every fresh hand dealt to you - "will it be those Aces?" - "will I see a 5-8-9 Flop with my 6-7 & get paid?" - because although you don't realise it, that's all part of enjoying poker.
Remember what the legendary golfer, Gary Player, once said. "The more I practice, the luckier I get". That'd be my t-shirt I think.
I hope the warm wind of variance pays you a visit soon Mike, you are a good guy, & deserve it.
So I'm not sure of "where you were", but if 26 players were to get a Seat, & there are 31 left, & 7 or 8 of them have less than you, I think I'd pretty much shut up shop here, & be going to pass my way to the Seat.
IF you think you can get there without playing another hand, then thats exactly what you should do. But if you consider you are not yet home & hosed, well, just shove with those Kings.
It's a close one, & depends on the Blinds, but in a Super-Sat, thats the default setting - shut up shop if you have the seat in sight.
So you had 9 x BB, but there were 15 players with less, & you were 4 or 5 off the seat?
It's quite a close one actually, but it's still a fold. In fact even AA is probably a fold there.
When playing Super Sats you have to use a completely different mindset to "normal" Tourney poker. In this case, your target was to finish in the top 26.
The default play there, every single time, is to Pass, but I can understand your play, as your stack was gettting close to "marginal".
Let the others do the work. Sit-Out.
Very unlucky though.