Monday didn't have much to say so i just stayed quiet all it was i had is some MTTs.
today i just did cash tables but had a bit of trouble as the tables were having occasions where they would crash also my internet sometimes was going down and the puzzling thing was that although internet explorer lost it's connection at times, the stuff i had up on firefox was still working fine.
Hi Craig. looks like your b/r has gone up nicely since i've been away... well played see you are playing nl20 now too... how does it compare to nl10... and how do you find the swings, looks as though £100 either way is pretty common, looking at your recent posts. best wishes, dev Posted by devonfish5
the reason I'm likely getting £80-£100 losses and winning is I'm now playing MTT's on a regular basis too. The cash tables too will have days when they alone give winnings or losses of £80-£100 and that is where the difference between nl10 and nl20 occur. It's got a lot to do with the people on nl20 having a full chipstack rather than just 20-50 blinds plus it allows more aggression on these tables too. the average is £20-£50 winnings and losses On nl10 I was frequently the first player on a table to make a raise, the 3betting and 4betting was rare. The other thing with nl10 is when i was a caller preflop sitting OOP, i couldn't afford to check sets because the villain was unlikely to cbet when he missed, the problem with that is they would be taking a slower approach with the hands that they did hit on the flop unless they held over pairs, basically villains thoughts would be that betting is done once the card arrives. nl20 does still have those who are passive but now I'm needing to do 3betting more than i was on nl10 and be more thoughtful of when i can/can't raise post flop as semi bluffing and Cbetting is more common.
today I'm thinking the game seemed to an all or nothing day the way the hands came out.
The first hour it was very good luck on the tables and one of them give two consecutive quads. I was in the semi too and managed to make it into the main. Things changed at 7 as my Pc even seemed to have problems so i took half an hour break before returning for the main event. The main event was also poor most the way and i didn't seem to be getting hands at all then in the following hour things changed my way and i went from 1.5K chips to having 8K chips but the trouble was the blinds were getting too big so it was too late and i went out but i did manage 2 head prizes so got my moneys worth that i spent on sats. The luck from about 10:30 then went back to bad luck and so i decided to call that a day as the tables were now getting passive too.
my Br overall has had a loss and dropped to £773.30
The cash session today was a great session which made £50.93 (£94.41-£43.48) in profit. 11/17 tables managed it overall and of those 4 had profits of £11.71 £17.63 £20.82 and £24.15, the other 7 tables were ranging between £1-£5. The table losses were £17.50 £11 and 4 with ranges of £2-£6.
The damage came from MTTs which lost me £27.12 when really all i should have lost was £14.42 from the semi the orford league and mini. What i'm going to do from now on is do a direct buy in for the semi and avoid the other sats all together, unless the sat is what gets me into the super roller or UKOPS semi as £24 is too expensive really.
i might have been just playing on 1-3 nl20 tables last month but i can see from my cash sessions today that now i can manage to play 4-6 nl20p tables as long as non are MS. If i'm on MS then i will only have 3 at max.
so overall my day was a profit of £23.81 putting my BR now to £797.11
If i've haven't been able to sleep for a whole night i think it's best to avoid poker for a couple of days rather than just the one because tonight has been a very poor night for me and in under 2 hours i've lost about £50. i had managed to enter a main event through the all in sat which i choose to enter due to the overlay it had. when i was in the tourney i seem to be just making random calls and The problems didn't end their as after about 50 minutes in the MTT i just couldn't be bother to continue and wasn't bothered about loosing money at all in cash.
just so you have an idea of what i mean here is a prime example of a hand that i played poor
nomally a cooldown can be seen as a loss that is easy to accept and will allow me to continue playing. but their was one occasion tonight where i knew i should have quit right away and that hand i'm talking about was here.
snapper725
Small blind
£0.10
£0.10
£21.23
owen0069
Big blind
£0.20
£0.30
£37.22
Your hole cards
J
K
Dair
Fold
craigcu12
Raise
£0.60
£0.90
£31.20
Frogmella
Fold
Call
£0.60
£1.50
£19.40
snapper725
Fold
owen0069
Call
£0.40
£1.90
£36.82
Flop
9
J
J
owen0069
Bet
£0.20
£2.10
£36.62
craigcu12
Raise
£0.80
£2.90
£30.40
All-in
£19.40
£22.30
£0.00
owen0069
Fold
craigcu12
Call
£18.60
£40.90
£11.80
craigcu12
Show
J
K
Show
J
A
Turn
A
River
2
Win
Full House, Jacks and Aces
£39.10
£39.10
the differance with this player was i had notes on him stating that he shoved his full stack in right away whenhis hands were strong on the flops, i did post a hand previous which had the same villian, what he did then was he min raise then reraise to £4 followed by a jam on the flop with AA, the flop itself was 5c5d10h. These wouldn't be so annoying if he were also willing to shove with hands like say Q10 on this JJ9 but if he is just doing it with monsters then i'm going to stop and take a break if i get a cooldown againstr him because in the back of my mind i'm seeing him more likely beating me even when it's the 3rd best hand! so my BR has gone down to 621.28
Wouldn't beat yourself up about that hand Craig. Gonna be hard to lay that down, even with notes pointing towards a fold. Villain can still shove worse J's.
i should have posted it yesterday but one of my problems was my head was too obsessed with a hand that i had in the orford league that i couldn't stop thinking about. i saw on the forum a post which got me thinking could ryan accept me as a friend and when he did i had a quick chat about MTTs. i see on poker sites everywhere it saying that MTTs are easier than cash and after having a chat with ryan yesterday i'm starting to think myself that they truthfully are harder because with MTTs the blinds get bigger and bigger also their is a lot more varience based in MTTs. the thing i like with cash is you can leave the table anytime and when multi tabling it can make me feel less concerned about the risk of loosing chips when i'm betting.
the truth is MTTs should be just played as a fun form of poker my main money is make from cash and yesterday i was in a few MTTs but the cash money was big enough to keep me in profit allowing my BR to reach £636.
the MTT hand i was refering too was this with it being the early stages of an MTT you can't win an MTT but you can loose one and i know for sure that at this stage their is going to be lot of loose players. my thinking is if i'm sitting UTG or UTG+1 is it worth playing the small pairs knowing that if i miss my set i'm hoping for them to fold now that i'm out of position and also the times i raise with AA-JJ and see flops like this i won't want to make the cbetting any differant to the size i would make with weak pairs.
Giant811
Small blind
10.00
10.00
5225.00
ann735
Big blind
20.00
30.00
5250.00
Your hole cards
J
J
jjjach
Fold
craigcu12
Raise
60.00
90.00
4840.00
DOHHHHHHH
Fold
FLASHJONNY
Fold
jcooper329
Fold
massive123
Fold
lea116311
Fold
Quizman007
Call
60.00
150.00
4810.00
Giant811
Call
50.00
200.00
5175.00
ann735
Call
40.00
240.00
5210.00
Flop
8
Q
J
Giant811
Check
ann735
Check
craigcu12
Bet
160.00
400.00
4680.00
Quizman007
Call
160.00
560.00
4650.00
Giant811
Call
160.00
720.00
5015.00
ann735
Fold
Turn
8
Giant811
Check
craigcu12
Bet
380.00
1100.00
4300.00
Quizman007
Call
380.00
1480.00
4270.00
Giant811
Call
380.00
1860.00
4635.00
River
3
Giant811
Check
craigcu12
Check
Quizman007
Check
Giant811
Show
A
Q
craigcu12
Show
J
J
Quizman007
Muck
Q
2
craigcu12
Win
Full House, Jacks and 8s
1860.00
6160
what i mean when i'm saying i'm more willing to risk chips in cash is with hands like this one for instance
Donttelmum
Small blind
£0.10
£0.10
£34.49
craigcu12
Big blind
£0.20
£0.30
£43.64
t_oakers
Sit out
Your hole cards
K
K
Rumpy
Fold
SJspanky1
Raise
£0.60
£0.90
£17.40
Donttelmum
Call
£0.50
£1.40
£33.99
craigcu12
Raise
£2.00
£3.40
£41.64
SJspanky1
Fold
Donttelmum
Call
£1.60
£5.00
£32.39
Flop
10
9
9
Donttelmum
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£3.00
£8.00
£38.64
Donttelmum
Call
£3.00
£11.00
£29.39
Turn
4
Donttelmum
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£5.50
£16.50
£33.14
Donttelmum
Call
£5.50
£22.00
£23.89
River
K
Donttelmum
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£11.40
£33.40
£21.74
Donttelmum
Call
£11.40
£44.80
£12.49
craigcu12
Show
K
K
Donttelmum
Muck
8
Q
craigcu12
Win
Full House, Kings and 9s
£43.00
£64.74
now their might be a 3rd spade on the turn but i still haven't ruled out him having an As or thinking himself i've got the Ako with a spade and he has a pair and so i got much more money when i hit a Fh on the river.
sunday was divided into 2 main sessions, the first session i had was one where i played a sat in an attempt to get myself into the semi for a ukops main and a semi for the super roller. They both went well and allowed me to qualify but it did require a big gamble early on in the ukops one. the first was when i had AK the villian choose to jam after getting 3bet it turned out he had AQ. the second one was when i had 33 and the board was very low when i choose to check on the turn the villian did a shove on the river and i took the brave decision of calling thinking he was just attempting to steal the pot as it was heads up and i seen him do it once already. once i qualified for the semis i was aiming to win one and use the winning for the UKOPS main itself and i managed to achieve it through the UKOPs semi, i didn't do so well in the super roller semi but their was not much attention going into that one as i was doing very well in the UKOPS semi which was played like a SnG. so overall i managed to qualify for the UKOPs for a price of £16.60
the cash table session i had after the semis were like a yo-yo, to begin with i was doing ok and things were looking well then the tide turned and players were more tight passive type so i fealt as though it was time for a very aggressive approach at the time i was suffering more losses and villians were starting to get more aggressive, at the time it was costing me lots more small pots but the benifit about it was i now won some massives pots including 1 pot of £99
so overall my money is now £645 and tomorrow i might have a few hands for the clinic.
MTTs are much higher variance but I definitely wouldn't say they're harder. Its probably mentally harder to play purely MTTs because the variance can be brutal but imo they're way easier. The deeper stacked you are, the more decisions you have and the harder they get, in mtts a lot of things become more straight forward. You'll also see A LOT more random less experienced people in mtts than you will at cash.
As for the 2 hands above, I saw the JJ hand cos a mate of mine was playing on that table and I've gotta say the river check is bizarre and reallllly bad, how many hands are we scared of? I'd go bigger on the turn and bet big on river.
The KK I prob go bigger on turn and deffo bigger on river. People don't make light river calls on 4flushing paired boards so if he's calling £11, hes calling £16 too and if he folds to £16 he'd probably fold to pretty much any bet
with the JJ on the river it wasn't that i was scared of any hands, what i was attempting to do is see if the player on the button would attempt a bluff, in cash games i do notice folding happening more frequently that i see happening in MTTs so if i'm OOP in MTTs should i bas my bet size on the strength of hand and how wet the board is rather than thinking about range merging?
when you say bet bigger on the turn with KK, was this bet size a one which could have made it too easy for him to attempt a bluff with say Asx Ksx and knowing i would be folding to a Ch/R atleast a large bet would get more from him if he had just the Asx Ksx and when the river does give me the FH if he still choose to call his flush on the turn i might have got most his stack.
MTTs are much higher variance but I definitely wouldn't say they're harder. Its probably mentally harder to play purely MTTs because the variance can be brutal but imo they're way easier. The deeper stacked you are, the more decisions you have and the harder they get, in mtts a lot of things become more straight forward. You'll also see A LOT more random less experienced people in mtts than you will at cash. As for the 2 hands above, I saw the JJ hand cos a mate of mine was playing on that table and I've gotta say the river check is bizarre and reallllly bad, how many hands are we scared of? I'd go bigger on the turn and bet big on river. The KK I prob go bigger on turn and deffo bigger on river. People don't make light river calls on 4flushing paired boards so if he's calling £11, hes calling £16 too and if he folds to £16 he'd probably fold to pretty much any bet Posted by Lambert180
so many people say this, but I think its just complicated in a different way. there are so many different stack sizes, levels of experience and playing styles, ICM etc all to take into account. you could argue that cash is simpler becasue everyone has 100bb (normally) and they mostly play the same TAG style, there is no stack pressure from blinds and there is no ICM consideration...
the state of my cash tables yesterday night seems to show that real difficulty i have in MTTs is caused by me playing too many tables. what i had going at the time was 2 DTDs and the mini and 3 nl20 tables and what was happening is some of my betting seemed stupid in the cash tables and in MTTs i really pay enough attention to my table. what i aim to do from now on is when i'm playing in an MTT i will go through the hand histories as a way of curing my bordom rather than multi tabling because in MTTs their is a lot more randoms comapred to what i see in cash.
Hint. If multitabling four or more just reduce screen a tiny bit until it goes different shade of blue. That way your alway aware of which is a cash table and which is an MTT.
the days where i was on tables with 5 passive players are now just about at an end, their might be some occasions where i'm on that sort of table but the majority of the time i can expect to see some aggression. when i'm 3bet preflop their is some people who are doing it with A10s overall my tables tonight were losses of -37p -£4.14 -£51.12 -23p -£6.46 and - £3.29 total -£65.61 the winnings were £10.40 £11.42 £42.34 £3.81 and £20.17 total £88.14 so my day overall is a profit of £22.53
tonight was quite a poor night and i need to start taking a break rather than playing too much cash in one night. what i did on thursday was waited until 6pm before havin any games and when it got to that time in the evening i decided to only play the semi knowing that MTTs are far looser than cash poker so i don't want to mix up my play too much. when i went out them i then went into the mini and played a few master cash too but things didn't go well and i was out after about 45 min. I didn't do that well on the master cash either and my BR was getting very damaging and so at 11pm i choose to return to the standard nl10p/20p where things went fine and allowed me to return some damage. so overall my BR has suffered a heavy loss and is £320.
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today i just did cash tables but had a bit of trouble as the tables were having occasions where they would crash also my internet sometimes was going down and the puzzling thing was that although internet explorer lost it's connection at times, the stuff i had up on firefox was still working fine.
overall though my BR is today down to £820.49.
It's got a lot to do with the people on nl20 having a full chipstack rather than just 20-50 blinds plus it allows more aggression on these tables too.
the average is £20-£50 winnings and losses
On nl10 I was frequently the first player on a table to make a raise, the 3betting and 4betting was rare.
The other thing with nl10 is when i was a caller preflop sitting OOP, i couldn't afford to check sets because the villain was unlikely to cbet when he missed, the problem with that is they would be taking a slower approach with the hands that they did hit on the flop unless they held over pairs, basically villains thoughts would be that betting is done once the card arrives.
nl20 does still have those who are passive but now I'm needing to do 3betting more than i was on nl10 and be more thoughtful of when i can/can't raise post flop as semi bluffing and Cbetting is more common.
today I'm thinking the game seemed to an all or nothing day the way the hands came out.
The first hour it was very good luck on the tables and one of them give two consecutive quads.
I was in the semi too and managed to make it into the main.
Things changed at 7 as my Pc even seemed to have problems so i took half an hour break before returning for the main event. The main event was also poor most the way and i didn't seem to be getting hands at all then in the following hour things changed my way and i went from 1.5K chips to having 8K chips but the trouble was the blinds were getting too big so it was too late and i went out but i did manage 2 head prizes so got my moneys worth that i spent on sats.
The luck from about 10:30 then went back to bad luck and so i decided to call that a day as the tables were now getting passive too.
my Br overall has had a loss and dropped to £773.30
The table losses were £17.50 £11 and 4 with ranges of £2-£6.
The damage came from MTTs which lost me £27.12 when really all i should have lost was £14.42 from the semi the orford league and mini. What i'm going to do from now on is do a direct buy in for the semi and avoid the other sats all together, unless the sat is what gets me into the super roller or UKOPS semi as £24 is too expensive really.
i might have been just playing on 1-3 nl20 tables last month but i can see from my cash sessions today that now i can manage to play 4-6 nl20p tables as long as non are MS. If i'm on MS then i will only have 3 at max.
so overall my day was a profit of £23.81 putting my BR now to £797.11
just so you have an idea of what i mean here is a prime example of a hand that i played poor
so my BR has gone down to 621.28
i see on poker sites everywhere it saying that MTTs are easier than cash and after having a chat with ryan yesterday i'm starting to think myself that they truthfully are harder because with MTTs the blinds get bigger and bigger also their is a lot more varience based in MTTs. the thing i like with cash is you can leave the table anytime and when multi tabling it can make me feel less concerned about the risk of loosing chips when i'm betting.
the truth is MTTs should be just played as a fun form of poker my main money is make from cash and yesterday i was in a few MTTs but the cash money was big enough to keep me in profit allowing my BR to reach £636.
with it being the early stages of an MTT you can't win an MTT but you can loose one and i know for sure that at this stage their is going to be lot of loose players.
my thinking is if i'm sitting UTG or UTG+1 is it worth playing the small pairs knowing that if i miss my set i'm hoping for them to fold now that i'm out of position and also the times i raise with AA-JJ and see flops like this i won't want to make the cbetting any differant to the size i would make with weak pairs.
once i qualified for the semis i was aiming to win one and use the winning for the UKOPS main itself and i managed to achieve it through the UKOPs semi, i didn't do so well in the super roller semi but their was not much attention going into that one as i was doing very well in the UKOPS semi which was played like a SnG.
so overall i managed to qualify for the UKOPs for a price of £16.60
the cash table session i had after the semis were like a yo-yo, to begin with i was doing ok and things were looking well then the tide turned and players were more tight passive type so i fealt as though it was time for a very aggressive approach at the time i was suffering more losses and villians were starting to get more aggressive, at the time it was costing me lots more small pots but the benifit about it was i now won some massives pots including 1 pot of £99
so overall my money is now £645 and tomorrow i might have a few hands for the clinic.
Thought i'd say a quick hello, been a while since i've posted in your diary:)
Well done on the Ukop seat binks, hopefully another deep run is coming!
Glgl
when you say bet bigger on the turn with KK, was this bet size a one which could have made it too easy for him to attempt a bluff with say Asx Ksx and knowing i would be folding to a Ch/R atleast a large bet would get more from him if he had just the Asx Ksx and when the river does give me the FH if he still choose to call his flush on the turn i might have got most his stack.
what i aim to do from now on is when i'm playing in an MTT i will go through the hand histories as a way of curing my bordom rather than multi tabling because in MTTs their is a lot more randoms comapred to what i see in cash.
overall my tables tonight were losses of -37p -£4.14 -£51.12 -23p -£6.46 and - £3.29 total -£65.61
the winnings were £10.40 £11.42 £42.34 £3.81 and £20.17 total £88.14
so my day overall is a profit of £22.53
what i did on thursday was waited until 6pm before havin any games and when it got to that time in the evening i decided to only play the semi knowing that MTTs are far looser than cash poker so i don't want to mix up my play too much. when i went out them i then went into the mini and played a few master cash too but things didn't go well and i was out after about 45 min. I didn't do that well on the master cash either and my BR was getting very damaging and so at 11pm i choose to return to the standard nl10p/20p where things went fine and allowed me to return some damage.
so overall my BR has suffered a heavy loss and is £320.