How is this going now Ian? As a tournament guy I wouldn't dream of commenting on the hands, but I'm keen to get an idea of your results. At this stage do you see yourself switching to cash permanently? Or returning to the DYMs? Posted by GaryQQQ
hi Gary, thanks for the post mate. i haven't been posting as it's just all doom and gloom atm,and people don't want to here me moaning do they. lol
it's going pretty much as i thought tbh...a struggle. i have always struggled playing cash,and now is no exception. my last winning session was last saturday which seems ages ago.
atm i am down £126.09 this month, which isn't great,but that includes a £100 nl10 losing session some time ago now. so what do i make from that? A,don't play nl10. B,just about holding my own at nl4. C,where to go from here?
i've always taken poker ,one day at a time and i guess that will continue here. only a couple more days grinding to go with the champ comp,and then it's a day or two off i think,and re-assess. yeah,it would be very easy to go playing DYM right now and get back to 'normal' i should get some losses back from the cash champ comp which will be a nice bonus,and make me feel a little better. lol i know that long term cash would probably be the better route,but maybe it's just not for me,who knows? like yourself though,we don't give in that easily and i'm confident that this period i'm going through now is like your current challenge atm,the hardest part. i don't mind losing as long as i am giving my best and hopefully learning a thing or two along the way. i am/have been experimenting playing at nl4 and am still trying to figure it out. i had similar problems playing DYM's and can remember how that used to drive me mad some days,so i am taking that as some comfort atm. then one day it just clicked and it was like i was playing a different game from all the previous days,and i'm hoping it might be just the same playing cash.i live in hope.
anyway mate,that's all for now. best wishes with your challenge. be lucky ian
I looked for this thread the other day and saw you last posted on this 5 days ago. Shame really mate as i think you will do very well, once you got the hang of it. I do think u jump din the deep end tho. But its good taking risks some times,
Hope to see you at the tables soon m8 and hope you get your £100 for cash champ? gl m8
I looked for this thread the other day and saw you last posted on this 5 days ago. Shame really mate as i think you will do very well, once you got the hang of it. I do think u jump din the deep end tho. But its good taking risks some times, Hope to see you at the tables soon m8 and hope you get your £100 for cash champ? gl m8 Posted by shaun09
ty shaun, yeah,always knew the risk involved as i've played nl10 b4,so it came as no real surprise tbh. still nl4 is ok i'm just about breaking even which is ok. as i've said it's one day at a time and see where we end up mate. i'm still hopefull of turning things around,it's just practise like most things the more you play eventually the better you get. good luck this w/end,nearly all over then it's a day off i suspect. dev
Hope your enjoying your move from DYM to cash bit of a different beast. I've just started playing Nl4 again I think we were sharing a few tables for a while.
Hope you dont mind I had a look at your three posted hands and made some notes. hand 1: Raise more pre i like to open to 5x, Nice size C bet, when people start playing back at you @ NL4 they normally have the nuts, if im playing well I think i can get away from it.
hand 2: Limping UTG is super bad, i think a raise or a fold are both playable options depending on table? As played on flop make a bigger bet for value. At NL4 you will get called by a large range of hands. The turn call is fine. I like the bet on the river but I prob just flat when he plays back at you. You have to ask yourself what does he min raise the flop with lead the turn then min raise the river again after it has paired.
I dont think you can put him on a smaller flush the way it was played or a big Ace as there was no raise pre. So I think a high % of the time they turn up with a house here.
Hand 3: Raise more pre your oop and there have been a load of limpers. im quite happy to make it 32p. On the flop i think its a fold dont like the call at all if you want to continue I'd prefer a raise give yourself a chance of taking the pot down. But going back to an earlier comment most players at NL4 will only raise/bet with a big hand.
The turn again i think its a fold your really not beating alot. On the river I dont mind leading again but i only flat the min raise.
I think you just have to remember at NL4 they will call light but when they raise its the nuts a decent % of the time. People dont like fold pairs keep betting your good hands big 75-100% of the pot then revaluate when you get played back at.
Have enjoyed reading both your diary's and your commitment to your DYM challenge was amazing I wish I had your DRM skills!
Hope your running well this afternoon
Edit: The more ive been thinking about the AA hand the more I think its harder to fold, he could be doing this with alot of PP but i'm not surprised when they turn over a Jack.
Hi, Hope your enjoying your move from DYM to cash bit of a different beast. I've just started playing Nl4 again I think we were sharing a few tables for a while. Hope you dont mind I had a look at your three posted hands and made some notes. hand 1: Raise more pre i like to open to 5x, Nice size C bet, when people start playing back at you @ NL4 they normally have the nuts, if im playing well I think i can get away from it. hand 2: Limping UTG is super bad, i think a raise or a fold are both playable options depending on table? As played on flop make a bigger bet for value. At NL4 you will get called by a large range of hands. The turn call is fine. I like the bet on the river but I prob just flat when he plays back at you. You have to ask yourself what does he min raise the flop with lead the turn then min raise the river again after it has paired. I dont think you can put him on a smaller flush the way it was played or a big Ace as there was no raise pre. So I think a high % of the time they turn up with a house here. Hand 3: Raise more pre your oop and there have been a load of limpers. im quite happy to make it 32p. On the flop i think its a fold dont like the call at all if you want to continue I'd prefer a raise give yourself a chance of taking the pot down. But going back to an earlier comment most players at NL4 will only raise/bet with a big hand. The turn again i think its a fold your really not beating alot. On the river I dont mind leading again but i only flat the min raise. I think you just have to remember at NL4 they will call light but when they raise its the nuts a decent % of the time. People dont like fold pairs keep betting your good hands big 75-100% of the pot then revaluate when you get played back at. Have enjoyed reading both your diary's and your commitment to your DYM challenge was amazing I wish I had your DRM skills! Hope your running well this afternoon Edit: The more ive been thinking about the AA hand the more I think its harder to fold, he could be doing this with alot of PP but i'm not surprised when they turn over a Jack. Posted by PiAnOpLaYa
Hi mate,
sorry i didn't reply to your post as i've not been here of late.
thank you for your comments re hands. it's a whole new world this cash game compared to the dym world that i have become used to,having played them for the best part of last year. i know i am making mistakes and am very greatfull to everyone that takes the time and effort to post in with their views,yours obviously included. i can only go on what i feel at the time when playing a hand, and it is so easy to look back afterwards and see exactly what i could have done/should have done differently. the A9 suited hand i would simply now not play from utg,so i've learnt something fron that one. the AA hand again i would now raise bigger pre-flop and possibly go all-in where possible,another lesson learned the hard way. i'm not on the same page as my hands so am struggling to remember the 3rd,sorry. i'll look again at it in a mo. oh yes,the AK hand.yes once the q comes to give me run on river...i'm committed and dooooomed. lol
still it's early days and i am determined to try and crack this cash game. i have been playing for 1 month now and a report will follow.
(these figures include winning £100 for coming 9th in 'cash champ promotion')
summary;
had better months tbh. the cash champ promotion probably cost me money wise,but also saved me in a strange kind of way too. it also gave me plenty of practise and a chance to 'mix it up' with all the 'reg's' at nl10 especially & nl4. learnt a lot playing wise...lost a little money wise...fair exchange. had a bad losing spell from 20/1 to 29/1 where i lost every day i played,which was a test,and cost me,but came through it and somehow won last night to end it... winning £2.75 lol
what next? another month of hopefully nl10 probably playing less tables,somewhere between 1 or 2 & 6maximum atm.no point playing 12 tables and losing.depending on results at nl10 drop to nl4 if needed. table selection,will be used.not much value playing 3 or 4 reg's,so if no value to be found,it's a night off. c4p...meaningless at the lower 2 levels for me anyway,so they will just be 'whatever' at the end of each month for the time being.
will post up if anything 1/2 interesting comes up. finally,thank you to everyone for all the great help and support you have all given me... it is very much appreciated,i have learnt so much in such a short time,especially from the feedback on hands i've posted. i've still got some doubts as to whether i'll ever make a reasonable cash player,which is my new goal for this year,but as always i'll be giving it my best shot.as always it's 'one day at a time' and as long as i am enjoying the challenge and not losing huge amounts of money,it's always possible. be easy to slip back to playing dym's again,especially now that i've been informed there is a new 'devonfish7' on the block to do battle with. lol
Keep your head up mate you new it was a big learning curve, maybe play less tables give yourself time to think what your oppos have. Less winnings, but less lose and less stress.. Posted by tomo_efc
hi tomo...can't bring myself to write the last part lol
i'm so sorry for not replying,i missed your post,and have only just come across it,after reading back through all posts for inspiration more than anything.
you have hit the nail right on the head buddy...big learning curve for sure...less tables,deffo.... more thinking needed re what opponents hands might be....and yes,hopefully less loss and stress too.
Not seen much of you lately, how are thing going, are you still finding it a bit strange, 2/4 can be a bit like that. anyway keep going i am sure you will be ok.
Hi Dev Not seen much of you lately, how are thing going, are you still finding it a bit strange, 2/4 can be a bit like that. anyway keep going i am sure you will be ok. good luck Glen Posted by _G_
thanks glen, yes it's certainly diferent to playing 15/18 dym tables that's for sure. lol it's getting easier though...i think. i'm not going 'all-in' as much as i was especially if i'm only holding 1 pair after the flop,like i was. playing less tables...6 tonight has helped as i am thinking more and not simply pressing buttons.
just finished a 6 1/2 hr session nl4 6 tables won £5 lol
cash b/roll £281.94 (down £31.68)
a small step.still got a lot to learn but enjoying the challenge. going to try to beat this level for the moment then have another go at nl10.
Can not fault you dev i am not doing to bad, not going to say much about it, not added to my account since end of December, i was down to about, £10 by jan 1st, but i went a bit mad with ukops, played BH, and all in sats soon got rid of my bank roll, lol. but anyway up to £53.17 about £40 up so far, thinking of doing two tables today, but i got a bit of problem with that,
Can not fault you dev i am not doing to bad, not going to say much about it, not added to my account since end of December, i was down to about, £10 by jan 1st, but i went a bit mad with ukops, played BH, and all in sats soon got rid of my bank roll, lol. but anyway up to £53.17 about £40 up so far, thinking of doing two tables today, but i got a bit of problem with that, GL Dev Glen Posted by _G_
hi Glen
glad to hear your b/roll is going back up again,well played. yes,it can dissapear very quickly can't it if u r not carefull,and let's be honest no one wants to have to keep toping up do they. stick to good b.roll management and you'll be fine. 2 tables today then, good luck. you should be able to get 2 full size tables on screen. gl buds dev
Unlucky on your first month back to cash, but as you say it was always gonna be a big learning curve. Its so much less straight forward playing 100xBB and plenty of the time 200xBB+ deep than SnGs where you can play much more robotically.
Cash is definitely the hardest format of the game, and therefore the one with the biggest edge possible because obviously the bigger (and more frequent) the mistakes are that can be made, the bigger the gap will be between top players and terrible players.
Stick at it though! Definitely less tables, there's no way you wanna be coming into cash and attempting to play a sick amount of tables before you are confident you can play 2-3 well. Post hands in the clinic too!
I'd say thats a good first month considering the huge differences between cash/DYM. Personally I wouldn't have been surprised if you busted your roll. I reckon you'll turn a profit in February now you've found your feet.
Congrats on the freeroll win. Can you teach me how to do it please?
WP in the freeroll Dev Unlucky on your first month back to cash, but as you say it was always gonna be a big learning curve. Its so much less straight forward playing 100xBB and plenty of the time 200xBB+ deep than SnGs where you can play much more robotically. Cash is definitely the hardest format of the game, and therefore the one with the biggest edge possible because obviously the bigger (and more frequent) the mistakes are that can be made, the bigger the gap will be between top players and terrible players. Stick at it though! Definitely less tables, there's no way you wanna be coming into cash and attempting to play a sick amount of tables before you are confident you can play 2-3 well. Post hands in the clinic too! Posted by Lambert180
hi Paul, ty m8. always knew the 1st month or so would be tuff,but got through it without to much damage. i'll continue at nl4 and that should help too keep things under control,rather than risk playing nl10 for the moment anyway. as you say playing less tables too is helping,i think. good luck yourself as i believe i read you are now playing some nl20. aaaagh. dev
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As a tournament guy I wouldn't dream of commenting on the hands, but I'm keen to get an idea of your results.
At this stage do you see yourself switching to cash permanently? Or returning to the DYMs?
thanks for the post mate.
i haven't been posting as it's just all doom and gloom atm,and people don't want to here me moaning do they. lol
it's going pretty much as i thought tbh...a struggle.
i have always struggled playing cash,and now is no exception.
my last winning session was last saturday which seems ages ago.
atm i am down £126.09 this month, which isn't great,but that includes a £100 nl10 losing session some time ago now.
so what do i make from that?
A,don't play nl10.
B,just about holding my own at nl4.
C,where to go from here?
i've always taken poker ,one day at a time and i guess that will continue here.
only a couple more days grinding to go with the champ comp,and then it's a day or two off i think,and re-assess.
yeah,it would be very easy to go playing DYM right now and get back to 'normal'
i should get some losses back from the cash champ comp which will be a nice bonus,and make me feel a little better. lol
i know that long term cash would probably be the better route,but maybe it's just not for me,who knows?
like yourself though,we don't give in that easily and i'm confident that this period i'm going through now is like your current challenge atm,the hardest part.
i don't mind losing as long as i am giving my best and hopefully learning a thing or two along the way.
i am/have been experimenting playing at nl4 and am still trying to figure it out.
i had similar problems playing DYM's and can remember how that used to drive me mad some days,so i am taking that as some comfort atm.
then one day it just clicked and it was like i was playing a different game from all the previous days,and i'm hoping it might be just the same playing cash.i live in hope.
anyway mate,that's all for now.
best wishes with your challenge.
be lucky
ian
yeah,always knew the risk involved as i've played nl10 b4,so it came as no real surprise tbh.
still nl4 is ok i'm just about breaking even which is ok.
as i've said it's one day at a time and see where we end up mate.
i'm still hopefull of turning things around,it's just practise like most things the more you play eventually the better you get.
good luck this w/end,nearly all over then it's a day off i suspect.
dev
£27.78 atm lol
still with the hopefully £100 or so on top as well b/roll will look a little better again,
gl buddy
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ian
Hope your enjoying your move from DYM to cash bit of a different beast. I've just started playing Nl4 again I think we were sharing a few tables for a while.
Hope you dont mind I had a look at your three posted hands and made some notes.
hand 1: Raise more pre i like to open to 5x, Nice size C bet, when people start playing back at you @ NL4 they normally have the nuts, if im playing well I think i can get away from it.
hand 2: Limping UTG is super bad, i think a raise or a fold are both playable options depending on table? As played on flop make a bigger bet for value. At NL4 you will get called by a large range of hands. The turn call is fine. I like the bet on the river but I prob just flat when he plays back at you. You have to ask yourself what does he min raise the flop with lead the turn then min raise the river again after it has paired.
I dont think you can put him on a smaller flush the way it was played or a big Ace as there was no raise pre. So I think a high % of the time they turn up with a house here.
Hand 3: Raise more pre your oop and there have been a load of limpers. im quite happy to make it 32p. On the flop i think its a fold dont like the call at all if you want to continue I'd prefer a raise give yourself a chance of taking the pot down. But going back to an earlier comment most players at NL4 will only raise/bet with a big hand.
The turn again i think its a fold your really not beating alot. On the river I dont mind leading again but i only flat the min raise.
I think you just have to remember at NL4 they will call light but when they raise its the nuts a decent % of the time. People dont like fold pairs keep betting your good hands big 75-100% of the pot then revaluate when you get played back at.
Have enjoyed reading both your diary's and your commitment to your DYM challenge was amazing I wish I had your DRM skills!
Hope your running well this afternoon
Edit: The more ive been thinking about the AA hand the more I think its harder to fold, he could be doing this with alot of PP but i'm not surprised when they turn over a Jack.
sorry i didn't reply to your post as i've not been here of late.
thank you for your comments re hands.
it's a whole new world this cash game compared to the dym world that i have become used to,having played them for the best part of last year.
i know i am making mistakes and am very greatfull to everyone that takes the time and effort to post in with their views,yours obviously included.
i can only go on what i feel at the time when playing a hand, and it is so easy to look back afterwards and see exactly what i could have done/should have done differently.
the A9 suited hand i would simply now not play from utg,so i've learnt something fron that one.
the AA hand again i would now raise bigger pre-flop and possibly go all-in where possible,another lesson learned the hard way.
i'm not on the same page as my hands so am struggling to remember the 3rd,sorry.
i'll look again at it in a mo.
oh yes,the AK hand.yes once the q comes to give me run on river...i'm committed and dooooomed. lol
still it's early days and i am determined to try and crack this cash game.
i have been playing for 1 month now and a report will follow.
thanks again PiAnOpLaYa.
dev
starting cash b/roll £313.62
current cash b/roll £246.69
lost £66.93
c4p 2522 = £30.26 to come
effective b/roll £276.95
monthly loss £36.67+£18.20 from 1/1/13 to 6/1/13
so in total playing cash in January lost £54.87
(these figures include winning £100 for coming 9th in 'cash champ promotion')
summary;
had better months tbh.
the cash champ promotion probably cost me money wise,but also saved me in a strange kind of way too.
it also gave me plenty of practise and a chance to 'mix it up' with all the 'reg's' at nl10 especially & nl4.
learnt a lot playing wise...lost a little money wise...fair exchange.
had a bad losing spell from 20/1 to 29/1 where i lost every day i played,which was a test,and cost me,but came through it and somehow won last night to end it... winning £2.75 lol
what next?
another month of hopefully nl10 probably playing less tables,somewhere between 1 or 2 & 6maximum atm.no point playing 12 tables and losing.depending on results at nl10 drop to nl4 if needed.
table selection,will be used.not much value playing 3 or 4 reg's,so if no value to be found,it's a night off.
c4p...meaningless at the lower 2 levels for me anyway,so they will just be 'whatever' at the end of each month
for the time being.
will post up if anything 1/2 interesting comes up.
finally,thank you to everyone for all the great help and support you have all given me...
it is very much appreciated,i have learnt so much in such a short time,especially from the feedback on hands i've posted.
i've still got some doubts as to whether i'll ever make a reasonable cash player,which is my new goal for this year,but as always i'll be giving it my best shot.as always it's 'one day at a time' and as long as i am enjoying the challenge and not losing huge amounts of money,it's always possible.
be easy to slip back to playing dym's again,especially now that i've been informed there is a new 'devonfish7'
on the block to do battle with. lol
gl all
dev
i'm so sorry for not replying,i missed your post,and have only just come across it,after reading back through all posts for inspiration more than anything.
you have hit the nail right on the head buddy...big learning curve for sure...less tables,deffo....
more thinking needed re what opponents hands might be....and yes,hopefully less loss and stress too.
very well said...and thank you.
best wishes tomo
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dev
Not seen much of you lately, how are thing going, are you still finding it a bit strange, 2/4 can be a bit like that.
anyway keep going i am sure you will be ok.
good luck
Glen
yes it's certainly diferent to playing 15/18 dym tables that's for sure. lol
it's getting easier though...i think.
i'm not going 'all-in' as much as i was especially if i'm only holding 1 pair after the flop,like i was.
playing less tables...6 tonight has helped as i am thinking more and not simply pressing buttons.
just finished a 6 1/2 hr session nl4 6 tables won £5 lol
cash b/roll £281.94 (down £31.68)
a small step.still got a lot to learn but enjoying the challenge.
going to try to beat this level for the moment then have another go at nl10.
best wishes buddy,
dev
i am not doing to bad, not going to say much about it, not added to my account since end of December, i was down to about, £10 by jan 1st, but i went a bit mad with ukops, played BH, and all in sats soon got rid of my bank roll, lol.
but anyway up to £53.17 about £40 up so far, thinking of doing two tables today, but i got a bit of problem with that,
GL Dev
Glen
glad to hear your b/roll is going back up again,well played.
yes,it can dissapear very quickly can't it if u r not carefull,and let's be honest no one wants to have to keep toping up do they.
stick to good b.roll management and you'll be fine.
2 tables today then, good luck.
you should be able to get 2 full size tables on screen.
gl buds
dev
Unlucky on your first month back to cash, but as you say it was always gonna be a big learning curve. Its so much less straight forward playing 100xBB and plenty of the time 200xBB+ deep than SnGs where you can play much more robotically.
Cash is definitely the hardest format of the game, and therefore the one with the biggest edge possible because obviously the bigger (and more frequent) the mistakes are that can be made, the bigger the gap will be between top players and terrible players.
Stick at it though! Definitely less tables, there's no way you wanna be coming into cash and attempting to play a sick amount of tables before you are confident you can play 2-3 well. Post hands in the clinic too!
Congrats on the freeroll win. Can you teach me how to do it please?
ty m8.
always knew the 1st month or so would be tuff,but got through it without to much damage.
i'll continue at nl4 and that should help too keep things under control,rather than risk playing nl10 for the moment anyway.
as you say playing less tables too is helping,i think.
good luck yourself as i believe i read you are now playing some nl20. aaaagh.
dev