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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450
    chilling said:

    Give me a few numbers then.
    How many more doctors and nurses do we need?
    How many more hospitals do we need?
    How many more surgeons,midwives ,Carers, etc, etc.
    Bare in mind it’s a service,and patient numbers can rise and fall.
    chilling said:

    Give me a few numbers then.
    How many more doctors and nurses do we need?
    How many more hospitals do we need?
    How many more surgeons,midwives ,Carers, etc, etc.
    Bare in mind it’s a service,and patient numbers can rise and fall.
    The Tories have committed to some of the numbers, but that doesn't alter the fact that they have been in power for ten years, and the NHS is a disgrace.
    They have dramatically reduced the capacity, when demand is growing almost daily.

    Some of the numbers that they have announced are comical. They say 50,000 nurses but 20,000 are already there.
    Forty new hospitals but maybe in 10 years time.
    6,000 GPs sometime.
    Many surgeons cut down on their working hours because of the way they are taxed, and additional working means earning less. That's a good plan. The Tories have already had 10 years to sort it out. How long do you think it will take?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450
    chilling said:

    Better include the ones that fold through the effects of the virus.
    I am just not sure if you understand this argument.

    I just keep repeating myself.

    Boris has a choice.

    The choice was to remain closely aligned to the EU, and cause the least damage to our economy.

    He has chosen to diverge and cause more damage.

    That was his choice.

    He has already made it.

    The virus will cause damage, but nobody is to blame.

    All the Government can do is mitigate this damage.

    Boris has chosen to damage our economy through Brexit.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450
    chilling said:

    The ceasefire.
    Brexit.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450
    madprof said:

    Best description I’ve heard for Brexit, courtesy of Bill Bailey; comedian and musician is it’s s
    “Shakespearean sh it show..”

    Many leavers may appreciate that a bit more at the beginning of next year.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    The Tories have committed to some of the numbers, but that doesn't alter the fact that they have been in power for ten years, and the NHS is a disgrace.
    They have dramatically reduced the capacity, when demand is growing almost daily.

    Some of the numbers that they have announced are comical. They say 50,000 nurses but 20,000 are already there.
    Forty new hospitals but maybe in 10 years time.
    6,000 GPs sometime.
    Many surgeons cut down on their working hours because of the way they are taxed, and additional working means earning less. That's a good plan. The Tories have already had 10 years to sort it out. How long do you think it will take?
    The NHS is a disgrace? That’s rather an acrid comment.
    The patient number is a rolling number, and it would be extremely difficult to know exactly what is needed and where.
    It does need more funds, as do a lot of other sectors.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    Many leavers may appreciate that a bit more at the beginning of next year.
    You would. You’re a remainer. I wouldn’t expect any different.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    Brexit.
    No news through on that yet.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    I am just not sure if you understand this argument.

    I just keep repeating myself.

    Boris has a choice.

    The choice was to remain closely aligned to the EU, and cause the least damage to our economy.

    He has chosen to diverge and cause more damage.

    That was his choice.

    He has already made it.

    The virus will cause damage, but nobody is to blame.

    All the Government can do is mitigate this damage.

    Boris has chosen to damage our economy through Brexit.
    Who’s “ choice”?
    Don’t quote Boris for Christ’s sake.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    I wasn't aware that you were a Beth Rigby expert.
    As I have pointed out a number of times before, I have not ever voted Labour.
    I think that any Political Party should choose the best candidate as their leader rather than perhaps just picking a woman for the sake of it.
    I am.
    As for the Labour leader,the best candidate would be either of the women imo.
    If it goes pear shaped for this government, then the Labour Party could have anyone as leader and be successful.Joe Bloggs or even Joanne Bloggs.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    Do you think we should remain closely aligned and protect the economy, or diverge and purposely damage it?

    And why?

    Do you think Boris has a mandate to diverge?

    If so where from?

    Does leaving with a Norway plus deal, still amount to leaving?

    As we already conduct some checks between NI, and UK, which are done on the ferries to avoid delays. Do you think that in the light of the fact that we are about to employ 50,000 staff to process the additional post Brexit paperwork, in addition to a large number of extra Customs Officers. That we may have chosen to employ extra staff to carry out checks on the ferries, and therefore avoid delays, in order to avoid drug, and people smuggling, that this could have been implemented many years ago, and avoided any dead bodies turning up in trucks?

    Do you agree that we didn't need to leave the EU, to provide more protection for our borders?

    The Tory Party was fairly recently conducting an ABB campaign. This stood for anyone but Boris. What changed?

    Boris has made it clear that he will not extend the EU trade negotiations past the end of December. Do you agree with this?

    Or do you think he should focus on the best deal for the UK, however long that takes?

    Do you think we will attract many foreign manufacturers to the UK, post Brexit. Or do you think that they will be more likely to set up in Europe, to access a bigger market?
    So I’ve heard from mates,a divorce is very traumatic and damaging.
    But they come through it and kick on.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    Do you think we should remain closely aligned and protect the economy, or diverge and purposely damage it?

    And why?

    Do you think Boris has a mandate to diverge?

    If so where from?

    Does leaving with a Norway plus deal, still amount to leaving?

    As we already conduct some checks between NI, and UK, which are done on the ferries to avoid delays. Do you think that in the light of the fact that we are about to employ 50,000 staff to process the additional post Brexit paperwork, in addition to a large number of extra Customs Officers. That we may have chosen to employ extra staff to carry out checks on the ferries, and therefore avoid delays, in order to avoid drug, and people smuggling, that this could have been implemented many years ago, and avoided any dead bodies turning up in trucks?

    Do you agree that we didn't need to leave the EU, to provide more protection for our borders?

    The Tory Party was fairly recently conducting an ABB campaign. This stood for anyone but Boris. What changed?

    Boris has made it clear that he will not extend the EU trade negotiations past the end of December. Do you agree with this?

    Or do you think he should focus on the best deal for the UK, however long that takes?

    Do you think we will attract many foreign manufacturers to the UK, post Brexit. Or do you think that they will be more likely to set up in Europe, to access a bigger market?
    I don’t mind checks, as that’s showing responsibility.
    Whether or not this Government sticks to this year for a deal of some sort to be done who knows.
    Obv the strategy is to focus on doing whatever deal may be possible in a shorter than the average time.Focuses the minds, which can’t be a bad thing.
    I would keep my strategy or intentions under wraps anyway.
    But of course the media seem to think they need to know everything.
    Coming out of the EU and alignment with their rules doesn’t look a good mix.
    Don’t hold your breath for alignment .
    There could be a challenging recession due to the virus, even more by the disruption.
    That could potentially change attitudes towards any deals.

    Maybe we should get our arses over to Mexico, it could be the new China.
    I think China will fall out of favor.
    I’ve been telling a Property developer I do work for, for a number of years that Carney should have increased rates, then you have wiggle room for cuts if there’s a crisis.
    First Carney says the BOE aren’t going to move until the unemployment hits his target, which it did. Then he says it’s not going to move unless there’s inflation, which he apparently says there wasn’t, even though I could personally see there was.
    Yup, I don’t like Carney,and vice versa I hope👍
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    Most of the time he just tells half a story.

    The other day he was making a big fuss about the tampon tax.
    Making the point that once we leave the EU, this could be stopped.
    The EU are forcing us to do it.


    Yet the full story is as follows.
    The European Commission says it is aiming to bring in a zero rate for sanitary products.
    The tax is 5%.
    It makes a difference of 3 pence to a 60 pence pack of tampons.
    This will make little difference to the poorest women in our society.
    If they are unable to afford 60 pence, it is unlikely that they will be able to afford 57 pence.

    In July this year, supermarket Tesco cut prices on nearly 100 menstrual protection products in order to shoulder the 5% VAT cost.
    Competitors Waitrose and Morrisons followed suit in August and other retailers have pledged to pass on a price cut if VAT becomes zero-rated.

    The revenue produced by this tax was around £65 million last year.
    The whole amount is spent on womens charities, including shelters for battered women.
    All worthwhile causes.
    Where will they get their funding from now.
    Brilliant Boris.
    The tampon tax is supposed to please a few, with a slight pop at the EU.
    Quite irrelevant really.
    Funding for all sorts of areas is about juggling numbers.
    As I’ve already stated somewhere at the time of the election,it’s the cabinet that matters as much as the PM.
    Being the Treasurer is like being the England coach. Very few succeed.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    edited March 2020
    It will be interesting to see what the EU do if there’s a pandemic throughout the Eurozone.
    Sounds expensive to me me, whilst they’re having trouble with their budget as it is.
    I’m not suggesting the threat is from the virus alone, but the resulting lockdowns.
    The big one for the U.K. would be cases spread through the London Underground.
    The unions will have their drivers out, through it not being a safe environment to work in.
    Then up pops Sturgeon.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    BREAKING NEWS!!
    Boris is a traitor,as in the few months he’s been PM, he should have foreseen the impending floods. Forget the election, forget Brexit,let’s build flood defenses first.
    Back to your meat and veg, enjoy.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450







    Panic buying in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak is the focus of a number of front pages.
    "Don't be so shelf-ish" is the headline in the Metro. The accompanying story includes a warning from Boris Johnson that people do not need to panic buy.
    The paper says there have been "scuffles" at checkouts over products including toilet roll.
    The Daily Express reports that shelves across the country have been "stripped bare" of essentials including anti-bacterial wipes and long-life milk.
    A number of papers use editorial comment columns to call for calm. The Sun, for instance, urges its readers to follow the example set by the Queen - who the paper says is "clearly not cowed by coronavirus".
    It also suggests that UK follows the lead of countries who have dealt with the virus well by simply pulling together.

    The Daily Mail has obtained figures which reveal a man with 66 points on his driving licence is still allowed out on the road.
    The paper says he is one of a number of drivers to be spared a ban by magistrates - under a loophole which allows for courts to consider whether revoking a licence would cause "exceptional hardship".
    The road safety charity Brake has called for a review of the system. The Magistrates Association has said the process for determining such circumstances is "robust".

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    Government department lost more cases than any other employer, freedom of information requests reveal




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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450
    chilling said:

    The NHS is a disgrace? That’s rather an acrid comment.

    That may be, but it is true.


    The patient number is a rolling number, and it would be extremely difficult to know exactly what is needed and where.


    The A&E waiting times are the worst since records began.
    Record numbers now wait over 12 hours.
    The Tory solution is to abandon the targets.
    Brilliant.
    Ten years of Tory underfunding.



    It does need more funds, as do a lot of other sectors.

    The person who has provided the best funding for the NHS in recent times was none other than your best mate, Tony Blair.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450
    chilling said:

    You would. You’re a remainer. I wouldn’t expect any different.
    Don't understand your point, it is not clear.

    I was a remainer, we are now definitely leaving.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450
    chilling said:

    Who’s “ choice”?
    Don’t quote Boris for Christ’s sake.
    Whose choice do you think it is?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450
    chilling said:

    I am.
    As for the Labour leader,the best candidate would be either of the women imo.
    If it goes pear shaped for this government, then the Labour Party could have anyone as leader and be successful.Joe Bloggs or even Joanne Bloggs.
    Why do you think that Keir Starmer is such a long way in front then?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,450
    chilling said:

    So I’ve heard from mates,a divorce is very traumatic and damaging.
    But they come through it and kick on.
    That is a very poor response.
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