I'm the same, I'm fine with high-only hands, especially as almost all our callers will be on the low. But we have to be super-disciplined post flop.
Yes. And we should also be careful which high-only hands we play. Obviously, you can't "quarter" with a flush and it's difficult to do so with a house, too.
Such a great game. If only they could've found a way for it to be more appealing to the house, if so it would be huge.
The tournaments to which this thread is dedicated are off the schedule at the moment, so I thought I would, instead, just use this time to talk about some Mini UKOPS hands.
I would really welcome any input.
This first one was from the PLO8 last night, we were just in the money at this stage. I had around 33k.
I was pretty certain this is a fold, but I've still got a former-era head on. Is this too tight for current year?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
bigfatfish
Small blind
1000.00
1000.00
14569.64
Dutyfree28
Big blind
2000.00
3000.00
88625.02
Your hole cards
A
K
A
9
jaw207
Fold
mushroom1
Fold
skunker25
Fold
bigfatfish
Call
1000.00
4000.00
13569.64
Dutyfree28
Check
Flop
5
3
5
bigfatfish
Bet
2000.00
6000.00
11569.64
Dutyfree28
Call
2000.00
8000.00
86625.02
Turn
4
bigfatfish
Bet
8000.00
16000.00
3569.64
Dutyfree28
Fold
bigfatfish
Muck
bigfatfish
Win
8000.00
11569.64
bigfatfish
Return
8000.00
0.00
19569.64
I'm potting pre. Your hand actually plays alright postflop and your stack size gives you enough room to pot control some dicey flops/turns if you get a caller pre flop.
My thinking was my stack size made this a difficult one to play, but, as you suggest, that may have been a mistake. I still have 26-odd left after potting, I guess.
There were 2-3 stacks there were 12-15k I think, so it was in my mind that potting pre was unlikely to lead to flop-play, if that makes sense?
Obviously, I edging towards the idea that I got this wrong, hence the posting, so I think you're right, even with all things considered.
I have a hunch that I am a little too tight when down to 2-3 tables, generally, which probably comes from experience with less flatter pay-outs.
That’s good that there’s 3 other short stacks, they might be more inclined to ship it with AK3 type hands which we have approx 57% Total equity against, add the bounty factor in and that’s fine. Post flop if we get a flat pre from the big stack is fairly easy. We can bet/fold ~4k on high paired boards, pot anything thats 2 high 1 low and obv get it in on anything where we make 2 pair/gutter/fl draw.
The QTT3 is a fold pre and I’m sure that’s pretty standard.
The big stack in the BB was clearly a factor, which is incorrect, I know.
Re the second hand, I KNOW I am too loose in the BB, generally. It's an old habit from playing live - I often felt it was beneficial to appear relatively loose in the BB, in order to have an impact on steals.
However, there are a couple of problems with this line of thinking, firstly, it's debatable whether or not it's cost effective, And secondly, even if it is, it isn't something that lends itself well to online poker, where many things are not as automatically recognisable as they may be in a live game.
It is something I have improved on, but it's still a leak.
Raise/pot pre and fold the flop I'm afraid. I spent most of Sunday evening doing exactly that as it seemed every decent hand I had pre flop got absolutely destroyed by the flop.
The big stack in the BB was clearly a factor, which is incorrect, I know.
Re the second hand, I KNOW I am too loose in the BB, generally. It's an old habit from playing live - I often felt it was beneficial to appear relatively loose in the BB, in order to have an impact on steals.
However, there are a couple of problems with this line of thinking, firstly, it's debatable whether or not it's cost effective, And secondly, even if it is, it isn't something that lends itself well to online poker, where many things are not as automatically recognisable as they may be in a live game.
It is something I have improved on, but it's still a leak.
Even the very best players make mistakes, several every session in fact. I'm sure the very top players on sky will atone for that. You'll go through a session and many times you'll put your hand on your forehead and think **** sake why did I do that. It's the level of thinking after that determines whether or not you will pick something up from it and understand better in the future how to cope in certain situations. Sounds like you're thinking at a good level, that's a great attribute to have.
its def a pre shove with aa ,then depending on callers and flop its make your mind up time,it also really helps to know your enemy,who would fold if you re-shove,who is not going to fold no matter what,having played plo8 on here for years i have notes on nearly every player , which i update every now and then because people do change there play after they get fed up with losing,more times than not if you hit flop big time and show weakness you will pick up all the chips after river,its a great game which takes awhile to learn but a lifetime to master and even then the cards dictate .
The big stack in the BB was clearly a factor, which is incorrect, I know.
Re the second hand, I KNOW I am too loose in the BB, generally. It's an old habit from playing live - I often felt it was beneficial to appear relatively loose in the BB, in order to have an impact on steals.
However, there are a couple of problems with this line of thinking, firstly, it's debatable whether or not it's cost effective, And secondly, even if it is, it isn't something that lends itself well to online poker, where many things are not as automatically recognisable as they may be in a live game.
It is something I have improved on, but it's still a leak.
Even the very best players make mistakes, several every session in fact. I'm sure the very top players on sky will atone for that. You'll go through a session and many times you'll put your hand on your forehead and think **** sake why did I do that. It's the level of thinking after that determines whether or not you will pick something up from it and understand better in the future how to cope in certain situations. Sounds like you're thinking at a good level, that's a great attribute to have.
The £1,000 Mega Stack is BACK! (20:25 Friday's & Saturday's).
Hopefully, this means the thread will start to take shape.
I said in an early post that I would give some context to the thread my confirming all my results in this tournament. I'd been putting that job off as I thought it would be an almighty pain to trawl through my history, but, as this tournament is only twice a week, it wasn't that difficult a task.
I was told this tournament only became a £1,000 GTD around this time? Apparently, the guarantee was £400 beforehand? Hopefully the current guarantee will remain as it's a cracking little tournament and arguably the best non-bounty on the schedule.
(return in brackets) 27/3 - lost 28/3 - cashed (£8) 3/4 - 3rd (£164.47) 4/4 - 2nd (£242.88) 10/4 - lost 11/4 - cashed (£11.03) 17/4 - cashed (£24.82) 18/4 - lost 24/4 - 7th (£52.85) 25/4 - lost
Attempts: 10 Wins: 0 Final tables: 2 Cashes: 6 Staked: £55 (10 x £5.50)
It's like the mirror opposite of my record in the Midnight Express, a tournament more harrowing than the film that shares it's name.
Is this a situation where I just need to give up the pot? Obviously, the call on the flop makes me believe I can pick this up. However, I do have some showdown value here, and can beat most of the hands I'm trying to force this player to lay down?
So, all things considered, is this horrible from me on the river?
In all sorts at the moment. Little has gone right and I am down to 14 big blinds.
I've been totally card dead and, without specifically talking about individuals an' all that, let's just say that my seat does not lend itself well to being card dead. Cards need to speak, where I am right now.
I would love to hear thoughts on this hand. Specifically turn and river play. It's a vile spot...
In all sorts at the moment. Little has gone right and I am down to 14 big blinds.
I've been totally card dead and, without specifically talking about individuals an' all that, let's just say that my seat does not lend itself well to being card dead. Cards need to speak, where I am right now.
I would love to hear thoughts on this hand. Specifically turn and river play. It's a vile spot...
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
candie2011
Small blind
75.00
75.00
9450.00
mushroom1
Big blind
150.00
225.00
6315.00
Your hole cards
K
7
RogueCell
Raise
300.00
525.00
13520.00
andybeth
Fold
wilsonho34
Fold
metz7
Fold
candie2011
Call
225.00
750.00
9225.00
mushroom1
Call
150.00
900.00
6165.00
Flop
J
9
Q
candie2011
Check
mushroom1
Check
RogueCell
Check
Turn
10
candie2011
Check
mushroom1
Bet
450.00
1350.00
5715.00
RogueCell
Raise
1350.00
2700.00
12170.00
candie2011
Fold
mushroom1
Call
900.00
3600.00
4815.00
River
10
mushroom1
Check
RogueCell
Bet
5100.00
8700.00
7070.00
mushroom1
Fold
RogueCell
Muck
RogueCell
Win
3600.00
10670.00
RogueCell
Return
5100.00
0.00
15770.00
To be honest I probably fold pre, K7 requires pretty specific flops to be confident about where you are in the hand. I don't have much info on RogueCell but post flop I think you've played it fine. River is probably just about a fold given stack sizes. Hard for him to have a boat though so think you only lose to AK, but lose to it quite a lot of the time.
In all sorts at the moment. Little has gone right and I am down to 14 big blinds.
I've been totally card dead and, without specifically talking about individuals an' all that, let's just say that my seat does not lend itself well to being card dead. Cards need to speak, where I am right now.
I would love to hear thoughts on this hand. Specifically turn and river play. It's a vile spot...
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
candie2011
Small blind
75.00
75.00
9450.00
mushroom1
Big blind
150.00
225.00
6315.00
Your hole cards
K
7
RogueCell
Raise
300.00
525.00
13520.00
andybeth
Fold
wilsonho34
Fold
metz7
Fold
candie2011
Call
225.00
750.00
9225.00
mushroom1
Call
150.00
900.00
6165.00
Flop
J
9
Q
candie2011
Check
mushroom1
Check
RogueCell
Check
Turn
10
candie2011
Check
mushroom1
Bet
450.00
1350.00
5715.00
RogueCell
Raise
1350.00
2700.00
12170.00
candie2011
Fold
mushroom1
Call
900.00
3600.00
4815.00
River
10
mushroom1
Check
RogueCell
Bet
5100.00
8700.00
7070.00
mushroom1
Fold
RogueCell
Muck
RogueCell
Win
3600.00
10670.00
RogueCell
Return
5100.00
0.00
15770.00
To be honest I probably fold pre, K7 requires pretty specific flops to be confident about where you are in the hand. I don't have much info on RogueCell but post flop I think you've played it fine. River is probably just about a fold given stack sizes. Hard for him to have a boat though so think you only lose to AK, but lose to it quite a lot of the time.
Unraised pot, I was pi$$ed when I commented but looking back now it's a massive leak I've got by thinking oh well 14 bigs, if they've got it they've got it then I probably go out of the tourny
The second hand I would like to post was much more troubling with regards to making a decision. This came two hands before my exit. I was 11/22 at this stage and ITM.
I recommend doing some study with push/fold charts. This will put you ahead of a number of players on Sky.
AK we have to get it in. It's about 40bb against a nit that we can consider not getting it in. Other exceptions are near the bubble of satellites and big final tables with huge pay jumps.
A7o is an open jam at those effective stack depths on the button. If there are two nits in the blinds, maybe we can consider min raise/folding. Whether you open 8k or 9k has no impact in that spot, so you waste an extra 1k if you are exploiting your opponents by min raise folding.
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Such a great game. If only they could've found a way for it to be more appealing to the house, if so it would be huge.
The QTT3 is a fold pre and I’m sure that’s pretty standard.
The big stack in the BB was clearly a factor, which is incorrect, I know.
Re the second hand, I KNOW I am too loose in the BB, generally. It's an old habit from playing live - I often felt it was beneficial to appear relatively loose in the BB, in order to have an impact on steals.
However, there are a couple of problems with this line of thinking, firstly, it's debatable whether or not it's cost effective, And secondly, even if it is, it isn't something that lends itself well to online poker, where many things are not as automatically recognisable as they may be in a live game.
It is something I have improved on, but it's still a leak.
I agree, as long as we learn from mistakes or, at the very least, attempt to, then it's clearly a good thing.
Making the same mistakes over and over again is a problem in all walks of life, I guess.
Hopefully, this means the thread will start to take shape.
I said in an early post that I would give some context to the thread my confirming all my results in this tournament. I'd been putting that job off as I thought it would be an almighty pain to trawl through my history, but, as this tournament is only twice a week, it wasn't that difficult a task.
I was told this tournament only became a £1,000 GTD around this time? Apparently, the guarantee was £400 beforehand? Hopefully the current guarantee will remain as it's a cracking little tournament and arguably the best non-bounty on the schedule.
(return in brackets)
27/3 - lost
28/3 - cashed (£8)
3/4 - 3rd (£164.47)
4/4 - 2nd (£242.88)
10/4 - lost
11/4 - cashed (£11.03)
17/4 - cashed (£24.82)
18/4 - lost
24/4 - 7th (£52.85)
25/4 - lost
Attempts: 10
Wins: 0
Final tables: 2
Cashes: 6
Staked: £55 (10 x £5.50)
It's like the mirror opposite of my record in the Midnight Express, a tournament more harrowing than the film that shares it's name.
Spewed 25% of my stack in this early hand.
Is this a situation where I just need to give up the pot? Obviously, the call on the flop makes me believe I can pick this up. However, I do have some showdown value here, and can beat most of the hands I'm trying to force this player to lay down?
So, all things considered, is this horrible from me on the river?
I've been totally card dead and, without specifically talking about individuals an' all that, let's just say that my seat does not lend itself well to being card dead. Cards need to speak, where I am right now.
I would love to hear thoughts on this hand. Specifically turn and river play. It's a vile spot...
With 13 bigs, I got it in first with A7, vs 22, but received no help.
Harrumph!
I'm not worried about the house, I don't believe I've been outdrawn on the river.
As played I'm splitting at best? And, given no bet on the flop, it could very well be AK and not KQ/KJ?
im not very good you know
Tonight's is about to start, hoping for a better show than last night's debacle.
It was a game of little to note with regards to interesting hands, the only hands that are remotely worth discussing came very late.
Firstly, the hand that did for me, I don't think there is any way out here? As standard as it gets...
Should I have called off, here?
AK we have to get it in. It's about 40bb against a nit that we can consider not getting it in. Other exceptions are near the bubble of satellites and big final tables with huge pay jumps.
A7o is an open jam at those effective stack depths on the button. If there are two nits in the blinds, maybe we can consider min raise/folding. Whether you open 8k or 9k has no impact in that spot, so you waste an extra 1k if you are exploiting your opponents by min raise folding.