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Ask Tikay?

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,703
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    tikay  whats  the  best  way  to play  aq
    Posted by scrumdown
    That depends on so many things, & I can't give a realistic answer without knowing a number of things. There are many different answers - all of them right - because it depends on the circumstances.

    Before I list some of the variables, please remember one thing - AQ - or any other hand - must never be played a set way - ever - because it depends on the variables. What is right in one case, is 100% wrong in another. So when books say "play A-Q THIS way, or THAT way", ignore them - it's complete & utter nonsense. You have to weigh up the variables, & make a decision based on them.

    Understanding that concept is KEY to anyone trying to improve there game.

    The variables - or some of them - are......

    Position

    Cash or Tourney.

    Position

    The Table dynamic - Passive, Aggro, Mixed.

    Position

    Relative stack sizes.

    Position.

    If in a Tourney, what stage - early, middle or late?

    Position

    If in a Tourney, how many Big Blinds do you have?

    Position

    If in a Tourney, how deep are you?

    Position

    6 seater Table or 10 seater Table?

    And in EVERY case - has there already been a limper, or an Aggressive action? (An Aggressive action is a Raise or Re-Raise, NOT a limp).

    There are other variables, too.

    The short answer - taking into account all the above - is that.....

    It is a great hand to RAISE with, if there has not been an aggro action already, & especially with Position.

    Except in certain situations, it is NOT a good hand to Call with, almost ever.

    Finally, many players play A-J, A-Q & A-K very strongly, quite right too. You must remember, though, how common these big Aces are. There are SIXTEEN ways of holding A-K, & sixteen ways of holding A-Q, ditto A-J, ditto A-10. So, if you have A-Q, there is a good chance you may run into A-K. Then you are crushed. To get this in context, there are only 6 ways of holding any Pair.

    So, not much help that, was it?!
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,703
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : My guess is "it depends"
    Posted by diablo_pez
    Your guess was right!
  • scrumdownscrumdown Member Posts: 1,609
    edited November 2009
    thanks  tikay  
  • phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : That depends on so many things, & I can't give a realistic answer without knowing a number of things. There are many different answers - all of them right - because it depends on the circumstances. Before I list some of the variables, please remember one thing - AQ - or any other hand - must never be played a set way - ever - because it depends on the variables. What is right in one case, is 100% wrong in another. So when books say "play A-Q THIS way, or THAT way", ignore them - it's complete & utter nonsense. You have to weigh up the variables, & make a decision based on them. Understanding that concept is KEY to anyone trying to improve there game. The variables - or some of them - are...... Position Cash or Tourney. Position The Table dynamic - Passive, Aggro, Mixed. Position Relative stack sizes. Position. If in a Tourney, what stage - early, middle or late? Position If in a Tourney, how many Big Blinds do you have? Position If in a Tourney, how deep are you? Position 6 seater Table or 10 seater Table? And in EVERY case - has there already been a limper, or an Aggressive action? (An Aggressive action is a Raise or Re-Raise, NOT a limp). There are other variables, too. The short answer - taking into account all the above - is that..... It is a great hand to RAISE with, if there has not been an aggro action already, & especially with Position. Except in certain situations, it is NOT a good hand to Call with, almost ever. Finally, many players play A-J, A-Q & A-K very strongly, quite right too. You must remember, though, how common these big Aces are. There are SIXTEEN ways of holding A-K, & sixteen ways of holding A-Q, ditto A-J, ditto A-10. So, if you have A-Q, there is a good chance you may run into A-K. Then you are crushed. To get this in context, there are only 6 ways of holding any Pair. So, not much help that, was it?!
    Posted by Tikay10
    Are u simply a 'human google'???
  • efgloserefgloser Member Posts: 406
    edited November 2009
    Tikay,
       What is the most possible "outs" after the "turn" with any given cards?
  • NoseyBonkNoseyBonk Member Posts: 6,187
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    tikay  whats  the  best  way  to play  aq
    Posted by scrumdown
    Many ways.... but I'm surprised nobodies mentioned 'Position' yet! ;-)

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,703
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    Tikay,    What is the most possible "outs" after the "turn" with any given cards?
    Posted by efgloser
    Crikey, what a question!

    I don't know, to be honest.

    I had a quick think, & I came up with a 23 outer, but I'm sure there are better ones.

    My first thought was something like 3-3 (both black) v A of hearts & King of Diamonds, on a Flop & turn of 9-T-T-J (3 hearts).

    So the 3-3 is winning, but has to dodge......

    9 hearts

    3 x Aces

    2 x Kings

    3 x Queens

    3 x 9's (assume the existjng 9 is a heart)

    3 x J's (assume the existing J is a heart)

    Can anyone come up with more?
  • acebarry10acebarry10 Member Posts: 7,556
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    When & where did Barry Post that? - I must have missed it, & would like to reply. It's not widely known, but I have more than a passing interest in transport matters, especially Railway locomotion, rolling stock, catenery, & permanent way.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Hi tikay

    Lol, you will find it on page 6 3rd thread :)
  • AskiAski Member Posts: 263
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Crikey, what a question! I don't know, to be honest. I had a quick think, & I came up with a 23 outer, but I'm sure there are better ones. My first thought was something like 3-3 (both black) v A of hearts & King of Diamonds, on a Flop & turn of 9-T-T-J (3 hearts). So the 3-3 is winning, but has to dodge...... 9 hearts 3 x Aces 2 x Kings 3 x Queens 3 x 9's (assume the existjng 9 is a heart) 3 x J's (assume the existing J is a heart) Can anyone come up with more?
    Posted by Tikay10
    Hope this is right, but I think I can get 25

    Assume opponent has 3-3 (both black)

    Other player has 9 10 Hearts

    Board shows 8 8 7 4 ( assume 8 and 7 of hearts)

    So the pocket 3's need to dodge

    8 hearts

    3 6's

    3 j's

    3 9's

    3 t's

    3 7's

    2 4's


    Edited after BigBlusters post to take into account 3 H
  • rab-crab-c Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2009
    What's happened to michelle orpe
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,703
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hope this is right, but I think I can get 26 Assume opponent has 3-3 (both black) Other player has 9 10 Hearts Board shows 8 8 J 4 ( assume 8 and j of hearts) So the pocket 3's need to dodge 9 hearts 3 7's 3 q's 3 j's 3 9's 3 t's 2 4's
    Posted by Aski
    That's a great one! And the drawing hand would still only be a very small favourite to win - 52% to 44%. (4% to chop).
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,703
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    What's happened to michelle orpe
    Posted by rab-c
    Michelle has moved on & now does EPT stuff.

    Weve been fortunate to find two exceptionally good replacements in Sarah Champion, & Lisa Marie Long, both of whom play on the Site quite a lot, & have quickly become very popular with the players.

    Sarah Champion will be at the Newcastle Leg of the SPT, as will D P Fitzgerald, & Lisa will be at at least one of the SPT Legs.
  • BigBlusterBigBluster Member Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2009
    I think this is 23 - TK's above is only 22 as the 3h would make a house

    8h9h v 3c3sFlop 7h6h6d8 hearts 3 tens3 fives3 eights3 nines3 sevens
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,703
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    I think this is 23 - TK's above is only 22 as the 3h would make a house 8h9h v 3c3s Flop 7h6h6d 8 hearts  3 tens 3 fives 3 eights 3 nines 3 sevens
    Posted by BigBluster
    Doh! You are quite correct.

    But Aski has come up with a 26 outer now! Or should it be 25 outer?
  • BigBlusterBigBluster Member Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hope this is right, but I think I can get 26 Assume opponent has 3-3 (both black) Other player has 9 10 Hearts Board shows 8 8 J 4 ( assume 8 and j of hearts) So the pocket 3's need to dodge 9 hearts 3 7's 3 q's 3 j's 3 9's 3 t's 2 4's
    Posted by Aski
    the 4s would be a split and the 3h would make a house.
  • AskiAski Member Posts: 263
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : That's a great one! And the drawing hand would still only be a very small favourite to win - 52% to 44%. (4% to chop).
    Posted by Tikay10
    hmmm just done the calculation myself and I knew the drawing hand would have about 52% chance of winning, but I cant see what card could come to make it a chop, hence I dont understand why the chop is 4%


    Aha ignore that post now Ive just seen BB's post and I can see the split now :)
  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hope this is right, but I think I can get 23 Assume opponent has 3-3 (both black) Other player has 9 10 Hearts Board shows 8 8 J 4 ( assume 8 and j of hearts) So the pocket 3's need to dodge 8 hearts 3 7's 3 q's 3 j's 3 9's 3 t's Edited after BigBlusters post to take into account 3 H makes a full house and both non heart 4's would be a split
    Posted by Aski
    The answer is 25.
    The 3h is no good since it makes a full house and beats the flush.
  • AskiAski Member Posts: 263
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : The answer is 25. The 3h is no good since it makes a full house and beats the flush.
    Posted by MereNovice
    my original post the answer was in reality 23 as the 2 4's created a split pot, so Ive changed the cards now, so that it correctly reads as a 25 outer
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,703
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : The answer is 25. The 3h is no good since it makes a full house and beats the flush.
    Posted by MereNovice
    ..and as someone subsequently replied, 2 x 4's would make a split - so 23?
  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited November 2009
    See What Are The Odds for an example of a 25 outer
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