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Can an old dog learn new tricks?

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Well tonight didn't exactly go to plan. Well... it did actually, I played well and got it in good lots, I just couldn't seem to hold. It sounds like a big loss but it's really not that big a deal because when you're playing £10s, basically every game is a £20 swing between whether you lose or not, and it's pretty easy to just lose 5 x 60/40s in a row... or at least it is for me ;) which straight away is a £100 'swing'. Played: 175 Profit: -£136 Points: 1448 Hoping the deck will be a little kinder to me tomorrow
    Posted by Lambert180
    Yes, with the (relatively) small volume, a few flips the wrong way can really affect the short-term numbers. Volume, or a longer-term view, is the only answer of course. 

    By happy chance, it worked the opposite for me yesterday, which is fair warning of an incoming chirp......
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    I seem to be back in the good books of the Goddess of Variance, & had a cracking day yesterday.

    First, the numbers. You must pardon the boring detail, but I'm a bit geeky with stats & numbers, & it helps me focus on targets.

    Firstly, the day.....
       
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    Tuesday:


    Played 19, won 12, lost 7. (Same number as Monday, but different mix) 

    The 19 were composed of....

    4 x £2.25. Won 2, lost 2.

    11 x £5.50. Won 6, lost 5.

    4 x £11.00. Won all 4.

    Total invested yesterday = £113.50

    Total invested this week = £238.90

    Tuesday's Average Game Stake = £5.97

    This weeks Average Game Stake = £6.29

    Tuesday's Average Profit/Loss per game = £1.82

    This week's Average Profit/Loss per game = £1.29

    Net Profit on Day = £34.50
    .

    Original Bankroll - £200

    Current bankroll £236.45

    Loss/Profit on week = £49.00

    Loss/Profit overall = £36.95

    Reward Points earned Tuesday - 214.

    Reward Points in month = 1,447
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    So yes, I ran very well yesterday. The crucial thing was winning all 4 £11ers. This just happens, variance is a fickle young lady, but I caught her just right yesterday, & winning those £11ers made a huge difference. I got a bit lucky a few times, as I recall.
     
    I register for £11's permanently, but this is PLO8, so liquidity at that level is wafer thin, but if they start, I'm in them. Only 4 ran yesterday, obviously.
     
    You cannot imagine what a difference a Televised England football match makes to traffic levels, & the whole SNG lobby was quieter than Monday yesterday, though of course Sky Bet has a VERY busy day. Swings & swongs.....

    Some interesting visitors to the PLO8 DYM's yesterday.

    Penguin7, (Tony) who came to Vegas with us as few years back & excelled, played several. I put an absolutely horrid beat on him, too. We were deep in the DYM, at the "playing for stacks" stage with 4 left. He had reverse position on me, & he'd been a bit too busy for my liking, & I rather thought he was at it, so when I found a cracking 2 way hand, A-K-7-2 DS, it was time to stick it right in his pretty little eye. How could I know he had Aces - good aces, too, A-A-K-3 - in that spot? And I did a get in the most awful fashion, two pairing my dreadful danglers. It happens. Fortunately for him, he recovered remarkably well, went on to win, & busted me on the way. Justice & all that. 

    Solar-Carro was in another game, later, too. He built a big stack, then exploited it woinderfully, raising every hand. He had position on me too, & was getting a bit too agricultural on me for my liking, so I had to bite the bullet & fire back at him eventually, & he folded like a good chap. 

    Earlier, he has busted Charlie Chunter, who is probably a decent bloke, but does not take his beats too well. As soon as the hand ended, I though "uh-oh, watch the chat-box", & sure enough, right on cue, Charlie had a little chunter. No Xmas card for Dave from Charlie this year, then. 

    Pommy (pomfrittes) was in a few, too, & he stuck an ugly one on me, but I sort of blame myself in a way. I rarely go to war with Aces early doors, later yes, but not early, as you can't get the guys with potential lows to fold. But there had been two limpers, then he Raised, so I thought it was a great spot to either get him off, or play for stacks, as he must either fold or re-pot here. So I re-potted, it was 25% of his stack to call, but he called instead of potting, which totally confused me, has to be a low draw, surely?, & I was not really concentrating maybe (Rooney SCORES, oooooh!), the flop looked safe enough, with no low draw & one heart (I had nut suited hearts), Q-9-5 I think. Check, bet, call. Whoops.

    Turn came a low heart, & I had A-3 hearts, so I had Aces, 4 to the nut flush, & 4 to the 2nd nut low. (he had the A-2 as it happens). Gotta bet I suppose, check bet call again.

    He had J-10 in his hand, which fitted the Q-9-x flop like a glove, so he's never folding, & he getted. I missed the lot on the river, & was out 6th, first time I've ever managed that I think, as I take a very low-variance line early. That one is in the log book as an unforced error by me, & wp Pommy.
     
    It seems only a few days ago - in fact it was - that I dropped £67 in a single day playing these. Thats been followed by three days of profits, totalling around £90. When we are winning, we think the game is easy, but it can bite you, & usually does, when we think that. Miss Variance might not be in quite such a good mood today, so best not get carried away.

    We swing, we swong.

    Swing when we're winning, we sing when we are swinning    
      
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    Tell you what, those Double Reward points make a HUGE difference. I mean, it comes to, well, double normal.
     
    I've racked up over 200 Reward Points both days so far, & 1,400+ in total, it don't 'arf make a difference.

    If I can maintain the current games played rate, 100 games this week should be achievable (38 already), & that would be around 1,400 Reward Points in a week. 

    Oh wait - I lapsed into spam-mode there, sorry.
     


     
  • DonttelmumDonttelmum Member Posts: 1,921
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Tell you what, those Double Reward points make a HUGE difference. I mean, it comes to, well, double normal.   I've racked up over 200 Reward Points both days so far, & 1,400+ in total, it don't 'arf make a difference. If I can maintain the current games played rate, 100 games this week should be achievable (38 already), & that would be around 1,400 Reward Points in a week.  Oh wait - I lapsed into spam-mode there, sorry.    
    Posted by Tikay10
    Tikay for priority?
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited October 2013
    Another pretty rubbish night. Only a very small loss (just over 1 BI)... but really should be up given the spots I've had. Any tips on holding Tikay? :)

    On the upside I cashed for a total of about £60 from 2 x £11 BHs and a small win in a timed tourney to still make it a winning day.

    Played: 220
    Profit: -£149
    Points: 1898
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    Morning.

    Yesterday, I said....



    "...I seem to be back in the good books of the Goddess of Variance, & had a cracking day yesterday....."

    Mistake, that. Bad mistake. I never knew she read this Forum, & it seems she got a bit uppity with me. And she had a foul mood on her last night.

    I got battered. And I do mean battered.
     
    Look away now if you don't like the sight of blood. 

    However, for fans of schadenfreude, you'll enjoy this. You just will. Cracking stuff.   
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013
    Wednesday:


    Played 20, won 9, lost 11.  
    The 20 were composed of....

    1 x £2.25. Won 1, lost 0

    9 x £5.50. Won 6, lost 3.

    10 x £11.00. Won 2. Lost…….8

    Total invested yesterday = £161.75

    Total invested this week = £400.65

    Tuesday's Average Game Stake = £8.08

    This week’s Average Game Stake = £6.91

    Tuesday's Average Profit/Loss per game = £2.86

    This week's Average Profit/Loss per game = £0.28

    Net Profit/Loss on Day = £57.25.

    Original Bankroll - £200

    Current bankroll £179.20

    Loss/Profit on week = £10.75

    Loss/Profit overall = £20.80

    Reward Points earned Tuesday - 296.

    Reward Points in month = 1,743
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    So, a sea of red.

    How do these things happen?

    The clue is here.



    10 x £11.00. Won 2. Lost…….8

    Incredible! A £90 loss right there.

    It was just one of those days.

    Tuesday, ran good, yesterday, run bad bad bad.

    To make it worse, there were more £11 jobbies yesterday than ever before in PLO8, which is fantastic news. I just need to win my share of them, & I didn't.
     
    If someone asked me the odds of me losing 8 out of 10 PLO8 DYM's in a single day, the price would have been huge.
     
    Still, its good that the traffic levels were so high in these yesterday, that bodes well. I doubt that many £11 PLO8 DYM's have ever run here in a single day. Plenty of new blood & fresh faces, too.

    Nice for my Reward Points, too, I got 296 yesterday, so that's pretty pleasing.
     
    I targeted 100 games this week, & am on 58 now, so we are well on the way to that, too.
     
    Character testing stuff.

    ;)
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    It was not all bad luck, by any means.

    I made a horrific play in the last one I played, so bad that I decided to quit for the night, as I was so cross with myself.
     
    With one eye on a bad set of numbers, & probably a tad frustrated with myself, a lad potted, & I re-potted with A-Q-4-5. Whatever did I think I could beat? We can shove with that if we are low-stacked & first to open, but call, or re-shove, no no no. Jeez.

    Had a cracking cooler early doors, too, against Veronab who is a regular in these.

    I flopped the wheel AND the NFD, & turned the nut flush. I'd potted the flop & got THREE callers, exactly what we need here because we can quarter them all, how good is this, I'm thinking?

    On the turn, FOUR of us were all-in. Happy days.
     
    But the 5 paired on the river, Veronab had the house, & THREE of us split the low. So I got 1,300 back for my 2,000 investment, when I had the nut flush, & the wheel. Incred!  
    Veronab was very gracious in victory, he's grand table company.

    I put another shocking beat on Penguin7 again, he must be getting tired of me, but I think he ended up on the day. Well everybody ended up, bar me, I fancy.....

    DiggerMan played a few. He's got moves, & he got me off a monster. I potted it pre with bad aces - A-A-K-Q DS - & he flatted in position. Ugh. It came all low, & 2 hearts. I bet, he snap calls. Uh-oh. Turn was a third low, & a third heart, I was all black cards. Check check. I checked the river, he jammed, I folded. He HAD to have the low there, probably the High as well. He might have been at it of course, but at BEST I was getting half, so daft to call.
     
    I had a 3 way coup where I had the nut low, then the betting went all silly, & TWO players raised & re-raised all in. I reluctantly folded, on the turn, the nut low, I'm getting quartered here for sure. One guy had a full house for the high, the other guy was betting his straight - 4-5-6-7-8 - & took the low with his 7-8! Yikes.
     
    It was that sort of day. 

    Richiegone played several, not seen him in PLO8 before, but he is a top top NLH player, & he seems solid at PLO8, too.
     
    W4rlock played a few, that's Roy, another who came to Vegas with us a few years back, & his wife, Kelly, came too, same year as Dan Brown was there I think. Roy's wife is a teacher, & her school has just had an OFSTED Inspection (passed easily), but it must have stressed her terribly. He's taking her to Cape Verde for Christmas. MBN.

    Charlie Chunter paid a short visit, ran his low only into my aces, missed, had a chunter, "well done Sky" & disappeared. Unlucky m8, but calling all-in with a low only means you need to get seriously lucky. 

    I somehow won a £5.50 one with HALF of one Big Blind, too. I was BB next hand, with HALF of a BB, & the two big stacks went to war with each other. What?!

    Can't begin to imagine how much I could have lost without that sort of stuff. Guess I ran quite well in places, in truth.
     
    Anyway, today I shall get back on the bike, full of hope & whatsit, & NOTHING will disturb my concentration.



         
     
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited October 2013
    This is getting a little tedious now lol... losing dominating races like AJ v A4 or K9 v Q9 seemed to be the order of the day today. Another small loss but feels like a win. I think I was about -£12 this morning. Then the low point of the evening was having won 11 games and lost 18... managed to grind it out to finish with won 21 games, lost 22, so a good improvement... although yet to have one profitable session of HU this week :(

    Oh well, I'm getting it in good an insane amount of the time, I'm sure a day will come when I start holding far more often than I 'should'.

    Stats so far...

    Played: 296
    Profit: -£207
    Points: 2693
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    Unlucky Paul, looks like you are runing about as well as I am!

    Keep plugging away, you have the game, it will turn soon enough, it is a numbers game.

    I did better yesterday. Well, less worse.....
     
  • bugaloobugaloo Member Posts: 487
    edited October 2013
    Hi tikay hope u are well

    will you be playing these today? might have a rare chance to play later

    thanks
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Hi tikay hope u are well will you be playing these today? might have a rare chance to play later thanks
    Posted by bugaloo
    Ooh, be great if you could.

    Yes, I'll be playing PLO8 DYM's all weekend. Gotta take advantage of those Double Reward things, we only have three days left!

    I'm fine, thank you, hope you are, too.

    See you later. I'll be on 3 or 4 Tables most of the time, so hard to chat much beyond "hi, gl all" sorta thing. I must say, the bunch that play PLO8 are tremendous fun, very lttle bad blood or chuntering. You see so many eye-watering beats in PLO8, & yet folks just accept it & move on.
     
    I generally just play £5.50 & £11 ones unless none are going, but if you only play £2.25's, let me know, find me on the Table Chat Box, & I'll register for a few. I play as "tikay1".
     
    Good luck.  
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

      Thursday:


    Played 23, won 11, lost 12.
    The 23 were composed of....

    0 x £2.25.  

    19 x £5.50. Won 9, lost 10.

    4 x £11.00. Won 2. Lost 2

    Total invested yesterday = £148.50

    Total invested this week = £549.15

    Tuesday's Average Game Stake = £6.46

    This week’s Average Game Stake = £6.77

    Tuesday's Average Profit/Loss per game = £0.80

    This week's Average Profit/Loss per game = £0.36

    Net Profit/Loss on Day = £18.50.

    Original Bankroll - £200

    Current bankroll £160.70

    Loss/Profit on week = £29.25

    Loss/Profit overall = £39.30

    Reward Points earned Thursday - 270.

    Reward Points in month = 2,013
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    So, still plenty of red. Must do better.

    Yesterday was really weird. The run-bad continued from Wednesday to begin with, & I somehow managed to lose 6 of the first 7 I played. How is that possible, in a low-variance game?!

    And then, quite suddenly, it turned, my hands began to hold, & I was getting nice starting hands when I most needed them, at the "shove" stage.
     
    I ended up with 6 straight wins on the bounce, & I was flying, but by now it was gone midnight, & the traffic was ebbing away. Ideally, I need to have enough traffic to play them in pairs, minimum, so I quit for the night with that 6 game run intact, & felt a little better about my performance.
     
    I've now played 81 of the targeted 100 games, & expect to get over the line today, so that'll be one target achieved.
     
    Losing money doing it does not sit well, though, so I just need to ensure I concentrate, do the right things, & hope I get some weekend run-good. The Double Rewards Promo ends at 9am Monday - effectively, for me - Sunday evening, so I need to exploit it whilst the Promo is running, it'd be daft not to.
     
    Next week? Dunno yet. Will be a short week Online for me, as I head up to Nottingham on Friday for the SPT, & that'll be me gone for 3 days. I have some heavy work stuff to sort, too, so I won't have as much time to play next week. All the more reason to play more this weekend. ;)

    Think I might give regular PLO DYM's a crack next, or maybe PLO8 cash again, at which I did OK last time.
     
    Have to say, I've really enjoyed it, & it is quite lovely when people come to the chat box just to say "hi". It is such a wonderful relaxation for me. Front door locked, phone off, e-Mails off, just sitting & chilling & playing some poker. Love it.     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013


    Friday:


    Played 18, won 9, lost 9.
     

    The 23 were composed of....

    0 x £2.25.

    13 x £5.50. Won 7, lost 6.

    5 x £11.00. Won 2, Lost 3

    Total invested yesterday = £126.50

    Total invested this week = £576.65

    Friday's Average Game Stake = £7.03

    This week’s Average Game Stake = £5.83

    Tuesday's Average Profit/Loss per game = £0.86

    This week's Average Profit/Loss per game = £0.45

    Net Profit/Loss on Day = £15.50.

    Original Bankroll - £200

    Current bankroll £144.20

    Loss/Profit on week = £44.75

    Loss/Profit overall = £55.80

    Reward Points earned Thursday - 220.

    Reward Points in month = 2,233
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    Really bad set of numbers yesterday.

    Played 18, won exactly half, but that included 5 x £11ers, of which I only won 2.

    Woise still, I made 2 nad mistakes in two of those £11 losses, getting involved when I had no need to after doubling up early. The hands which cost we were standard coolers, no getting off either, but I had no need to be involved in the first place with my double average stack & several shorties around.
     
    Also managed to lose with 7's full against rivered quads, these things hapen, but it was quite amusing I guess.

    Really must improve my concentration levewls, that was the difference between a nice profit & a small loss yesterday, & I was as mad as a mad thing with myself.

    99 games played this week so far, & I've really enjoyed it, but I must must must stop web-surfing & telly watching when I have 3 games on the go. Unforced errors are just daft, & it has cost me plenty. 

    Up to 2,233 Reward Points now, that DOUBLE REWARDS thing has been a Godsend. Two days of it remain, & I plan to fill my boots. Hopefully, stop losing money via unforced errors whilst doing so, too...
     
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,130
    edited October 2013

    If you are on the Tables this weekend, good luck, & run good.

    Don't forget, Double Reward points for STT's & DYM's ends @ 9am Monday.

    Boo! 
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