Will pick up those questions in the morning, & also do the Report for Thursday. I shall be back on the PLO8 DYM Tables tonight. I've had 3 losing nights from three so far, so come help yourself.... Posted by Tikay10
Hi Tikay, just wondering if you have had chance to read my pm yet? Apologies if you are busy! Posted by waller02
Hi Waller,
Sorry I never replied, I had trouble accessing them fom Vegas, & when I got home, I had hundreds of them to wade through.
I have taken the matter up with Upstairs, on behalf of both you & the other Gent. Hopefully, I'll get a reply today. On the face of it - not that I have any sway in these things - it does not seem an unreasonable request at all.
So, since my retuern, have played 3 sessions, & lost all 3. Hmmph.
Not much loss, but a bit confidence deflating.
Definitely feel a little bit "ring-rusty", & my concentration levels keep wavering. I'm best when I stop perusing Forums & watching TV, but if I only have 2 or 3 Tables on the go, I can't seem to help myself. It's a ridiculous notion that we can do our best in anything if we do not give it our full attention.
Chatting at the table is an interesting one, as I like to say "hi", "wp", "ul" or whatever, but I find myself drawn into conversation, & of course it's rude not to reply to questions, but I find it quite hard to do when I have 6 Tables binging & binging. Pretty sure my mental dexterity is on the wane.
Anyway, need to make an effort to stop this little run of losses.
Made a profit at all 3 buy-in levels, which really felt good.
Phew, that was a relief.
Played better, but ran exceedingly well.
Put a proper cooler on one poor lad when I had a straight flush AND the nut low, & as played, I was 90% certain he had the nut flush, so I bet the Max & the poor lad had to pay me off.
Our resident chunterer has really become quite a celebrity on the PLO8 Tables, good grief, he never stops. Most of the regulars just laugh it off, or type "chuckles" in the chat box. In a way, I feel quite sorry for him, he cannot possibly enjoy his poker. He wins & berates the "clowns" who called him. He loses & berates the "clowns" who called him, or blames Sky for "fraud". Poker can't be much fun for him.
I sort of picture him in my mind, hammering away at the keyboard, steam coming from his ears, red in the face, bit like this....
None of this is to berate him, I genuinely wish I could help him, but it's hard to talk to him in a calm & rational way.
I never played Friday, Saturday or Sunday, as I had a visitor, so was good to get back on the Tables.
Am pleasantly surprised by the amount of traffic, I knocked the 30 games off in under 4 hours, so that's fine. Mostly £3.30 games, & a few £5.50, & I'd prefer to play the £11 ones, but it's mid-summer, & the World Cup continues, so I'm really very optimistic that these games will get a ton of traffic once we get to September/October.
I'm still in loss since I returned, but not by much now, so I refer to the view of Alexander Pope, hope springs eternal.
Mr Pope said Shakespeare was rubbish, in parts. He was also famous for something called, wait for it, heroic couplets.
BOOM, am now in (tiny) profit since my return, & have got the Games Won % above 56% at last. 55% is the minimum target.
My concentration levels were much better, but still a long way from where I want them to be.
I have I-pad "Message", & chat to my young lady a lot in the evenings (she lives a long way from me, so we don't see much of each other), but that does not help my focus on the poker
Won 8 from 9 @ £5.50, but really ruined what might have been a great day by losing both £11 games, for a negative swing of over £40. Was unlucky in the first, & in the 2nd, I just never found anything to go to war with.
Can't complain though, & the £5.50 Games ensured a good night. £17.80 in a night is fine, just fine, & if I could average that every night, I'd be very happy indeed, it'd be all I need, & would pay for Vegas next year. Can't believe I'm thinking Vegas 2015 already, though it is long odds against I'll ever get there again.
Am playing a NLH Tourney tonight, the nice people @ Pokler Player Magazine gave me a seat for tonights Poker Player Magazine Freeroll, so I'll have to cut down my PLO8 DYM Tables for the 10 minutes I expect to last. I so suck @ NLH these days, though I suppose half of it is in my mind, I'm beaten before I start. And I SO love the nuances & subtleties of PLO & PLO8.
See some of you later, I hope.
Oh, forgot to say, we were graced by a visit from Jac35 last night. Beat us all up proper good, too.
Not seen MOTHER since I came back, I miss her. (Like I miss Orford). Hope she is OK, & The Daughter.
Hi T nice too see you back at the Helm Sir!! Hope your Vegas trip went well for you & I will surely drop by one night at the plo8 DYM tables as I am real sure you will Heat up the volume this month. Take care Mate and run well. Posted by footsie66
Thanks Mr Foot, be great to see you back on the PLO8 DYM's.
Traffis is holding up remarkably well all things considered, but the £11-ers are not running much yet, I've only managed 9 in the 165 games I've played since returning. There are generally 2 or 3 players Registered, but they are not filling much at the moment. I'm sure if you Registered, wd get a few going.
Vegas was wonderful, abso wonderful, but I knocked it in a treat, my first losing trip to Vegas ever, I could not do a thing right, made a few unforced errors at crucial stages, & never really played as well as I can really. 2 cashes from about 15 efforts I think. So I lost a good few bob I'm afraid. Traditionally, a bunch of friends buy half my action in Vegas every year, just for the vicarious thing, so they knocked it in too, which I felt bad about. What a mean woman Lady Variance is.
How are you running, in the HU stuff? Still beating the game handsomely?
What a difference a day makes...... 24 little hours. Tikay will remember that song After my terrible play Wednesday tonight could not have been different played 6 @ £5.50 won 5 played 3 @ £3.30 won 3 Got lucky on a couple of occasions but I think a couple of times I played well after getting into trouble PATIENCE and the odd gulp shove did the trick. Hats off to people who multi multi table two at a time for me. some good fun again and a guest appearance from Maca who I am sure will be ruling her new domain in no time see you all later Nick Posted by pompeynic
Hi Nick,
That's great news, well done.
Its amazing how luck means we swing & swong, but in truth, if our fundamentals are correct, over time we should beat the game.
You were dead right to quit that night when you were not playing at your best, or feeling right, though.
Those nights do bring a tear to the eye, they hurt, but that makes the bounceback all the sweeter.
No matter who we are, or how good we are, nobody on earth wins every session. That's the sheer beauty of the game, we never know what is going to happen.
Totally agree with Donttelmum. The blogs were great to read. They make me want to get out there one day. Hope you're well and haven't also got the Vegas flu like the Bromleys. Maybe catch up with you at the £250 side at DTD? Posted by Jac35
Hopefully, yes.
And thank you for editing your original Post, I'd have had trouble replying to that.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Hi Tikay. Only have flights booked. No accomodation yet. It's not solely a poker trip as I'm going with my better half, so we are planning on lots of travelling. L.A, San Diego, San Fran, Vegas etc etc. If it was up to me I'd defo be spending the majority of time in Vegas but I don't wear the trousers or choose the colour. Miss the UKPC.....YOU WHAT! No chance! Heading off after that. We are going then as it was the only time the gf could get time off work. Not ideal I know but better than not going at all. Top 3 Vegas things not to miss? I read about your road trips in your red Mustang and shall definetly be getting my hands on one of them. I fancy going to see the meteor crater near Winslow in Northern Arizona. Have you been? Best go, this isn't winning no rake races! Posted by Donttelmum
Well if you can hire a car for a day or two....
1) Go to Mount Charlston Lodge, its only 35 miles from The Strip. It's simply breathraking. Try & have a meal on the verandah, in the mountain air, best meal ever.
2) Grand Canyon, everyone should see it once. Too far to drive really, best to get a helicopter. Maverick Helicopters are far & away the best outfit.
3) Go see a Baseball Game @ Nashman Field, home of the 51-ers. It's "small-town America", at its very best.
Oh, & I know you said 3, but The Fremont Street Experience is awesome, especially at night, when they do the light display on the canopy.
See you at UKPC, less than a month away now, & I'm sooooo excited!
So what is the very worst hand pre-flop? Posted by FCHD
Well ANY hand with quads has to go straight in the bin.
Of 5,278 listed hands, the worst possible hand was said to be.......no, not, as you might expect, 2-2-2-2, but K-K-K-K.
I've no idea why 4 Kings is worse (very very marginally) than 2-2-2-2, but thats what the stats say.
I'm going to write some stuff in the Strategy Section shortly, explaining how hands are ranked, which hands are good, & which to avoid. I'll also explain that there are some statistical quirks to the Rankings, based on how they are measured.
For now, however, the "Quad" hands are ranked as.....
(Highest Rank is worst, & 5,278 hands were assessed, based on how many times they will win at least PART of the pot. Their "SCOOP" %'s are obviously even lower).
Note how A-A-A-A falls in the middle of these. I've no idea why.
K-K-K-K - 5,278
Q-Q-Q-Q - 5,277
J-J-J-J - 5,276
10-10-10-10 - 5,275
8-8-8-8 - 5,274
9-9-9-9 - 5,273
A-A-A-A - 5,272
7-7-7-7 - 5,271
6-6-6-6 - 5,250
5-5-5-5 - 5,219
4-4-4-4 - 5,185
3-3-3-3 - 5,138
2-2-2-2 - 5,111
So, of the quad starting hands, 2-2-2-2 is deemed the best.
We can challenge these stats of course, & we should, but it matters not really.
Quads, pre, in PLO8 should be mucked every single time.
Some of the best & worst ranked starting hands are really quite surprising. We should only view the Rankings with narrowed eyes, but they do tell us what hands to avoid, & you'll find the answers very revealing & possibly surprising. Helpful, hopefully, though.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Hi Waller, Sorry I never replied, I had trouble accessing them fom Vegas, & when I got home, I had hundreds of them to wade through. I have taken the matter up with Upstairs, on behalf of both you & the other Gent. Hopefully, I'll get a reply today. On the face of it - not that I have any sway in these things - it does not seem an unreasonable request at all. Fingers crossed. Posted by Tikay10
No problem. I appreciate that you are extremely busy but just didn't know who else to ask. Many thanks.
Loving this diary btw, I have only really had the odd attempt at PLO8 and tbh I have never had a clue what I am doing (still don't) so it is good to see yours and others views on certain hands etc. I agree with your point in an earlier post about holdem becoming increasingly difficult to beat, so would like to try and learn this format of the game. This thread is a good starting point.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : No problem. I appreciate that you are extremely busy but just didn't know who else to ask. Many thanks. Loving this diary btw, I have only really had the odd attempt at PLO8 and tbh I have never had a clue what I am doing (still don't) so it is good to see yours and others views on certain hands etc. I agree with your point in an earlier post about holdem becoming increasingly difficult to beat, so would like to try and learn this format of the game. This thread is a good starting point. Posted by waller02
Hi Mr waller Dive in - there's only one way to learn ! Best thing i ever did. GL
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Hi Mr waller Dive in - there's only one way to learn ! Best thing i ever did. GL Posted by VespaPX
Well you're not the first person I have heard say that. Just had a read of Jac's diary and he had nothing but good to say about PLO8 too.
Would just like to have a proper study on good/bad starting hands before I have a dabble. So far all I really know is that quads are garbage and double suited hands such as AA23 are good?? I don't wanna jump in at the deep end knowing so little.
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Will pick up those questions in the morning, & also do the Report for Thursday.
I shall be back on the PLO8 DYM Tables tonight. I've had 3 losing nights from three so far, so come help yourself....
Sorry I never replied, I had trouble accessing them fom Vegas, & when I got home, I had hundreds of them to wade through.
I have taken the matter up with Upstairs, on behalf of both you & the other Gent. Hopefully, I'll get a reply today. On the face of it - not that I have any sway in these things - it does not seem an unreasonable request at all.
Fingers crossed.
Will Update my last few days numbers shortly, then try & reply to some of the questions, apols for the delay, jet-lag is really quite something.
3rd July Numbers & Stuff
Played 31
Won 17
Lost 14
£3.30, P 16, W 10, L 6
£5.50, P 13, W 6 L 7
£11, P2, W 1, L 1
Opening Balance - £1,261.40
Closing Balance = £1,255.10
Profirt Loss on Night - £6.30
Profit Loss on Month = £38.50
REWARD POINTS on night = 133
REWARD POINTS IN MONTH = 379 (= £3.79)
GAMES PLAYED IN MONTH = 91
GAMES WON IN MONTH = 45
WIN % = 49.5%
So, since my retuern, have played 3 sessions, & lost all 3. Hmmph.
Not much loss, but a bit confidence deflating.
Definitely feel a little bit "ring-rusty", & my concentration levels keep wavering. I'm best when I stop perusing Forums & watching TV, but if I only have 2 or 3 Tables on the go, I can't seem to help myself. It's a ridiculous notion that we can do our best in anything if we do not give it our full attention.
Chatting at the table is an interesting one, as I like to say "hi", "wp", "ul" or whatever, but I find myself drawn into conversation, & of course it's rude not to reply to questions, but I find it quite hard to do when I have 6 Tables binging & binging. Pretty sure my mental dexterity is on the wane.
Anyway, need to make an effort to stop this little run of losses.
7th July Numbers & Stuff
Played 30
Won 20
Lost 10
£3.30, P 22, W 14, L 8
£5.50, P 7, W 5 L 2
£11, P2, W 1, L 1
Opening Balance - £1,255.10
Closing Balance = £1,287.00
Profit Loss on Night - £31.90
Profit Loss on Month = £6.70
REWARD POINTS on night = 111
REWARD POINTS IN MONTH = 490 (= £4.90)
GAMES PLAYED IN MONTH = 121
GAMES WON IN MONTH = 65
WIN % = 53.7%
Better!
Made a profit at all 3 buy-in levels, which really felt good.
Phew, that was a relief.
Played better, but ran exceedingly well.
Put a proper cooler on one poor lad when I had a straight flush AND the nut low, & as played, I was 90% certain he had the nut flush, so I bet the Max & the poor lad had to pay me off.
Our resident chunterer has really become quite a celebrity on the PLO8 Tables, good grief, he never stops. Most of the regulars just laugh it off, or type "chuckles" in the chat box. In a way, I feel quite sorry for him, he cannot possibly enjoy his poker. He wins & berates the "clowns" who called him. He loses & berates the "clowns" who called him, or blames Sky for "fraud". Poker can't be much fun for him.
I sort of picture him in my mind, hammering away at the keyboard, steam coming from his ears, red in the face, bit like this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ9wNT21c_s
None of this is to berate him, I genuinely wish I could help him, but it's hard to talk to him in a calm & rational way.
I never played Friday, Saturday or Sunday, as I had a visitor, so was good to get back on the Tables.
Am pleasantly surprised by the amount of traffic, I knocked the 30 games off in under 4 hours, so that's fine. Mostly £3.30 games, & a few £5.50, & I'd prefer to play the £11 ones, but it's mid-summer, & the World Cup continues, so I'm really very optimistic that these games will get a ton of traffic once we get to September/October.
I'm still in loss since I returned, but not by much now, so I refer to the view of Alexander Pope, hope springs eternal.
Mr Pope said Shakespeare was rubbish, in parts. He was also famous for something called, wait for it, heroic couplets.
ZZZzzzzz....
8th July Numbers & Stuff
Played 30
Won 20
Lost 10
£3.30, P 19, W 12, L 7
£5.50, P 9, W 8 L 1
£11, P2, W 0, L 2
Opening Balance - £1,287.10
Closing Balance = £1,304.80
Profit Loss on Night - £17.80
Profit Loss on Month = £11.10
REWARD POINTS on night = 122
REWARD POINTS IN MONTH = 612 (= £6.12)
GAMES PLAYED IN MONTH = 151
GAMES WON IN MONTH = 85
WIN % = 56.3%
BOOM, am now in (tiny) profit since my return, & have got the Games Won % above 56% at last. 55% is the minimum target.
My concentration levels were much better, but still a long way from where I want them to be.
I have I-pad "Message", & chat to my young lady a lot in the evenings (she lives a long way from me, so we don't see much of each other), but that does not help my focus on the poker
Won 8 from 9 @ £5.50, but really ruined what might have been a great day by losing both £11 games, for a negative swing of over £40. Was unlucky in the first, & in the 2nd, I just never found anything to go to war with.
Can't complain though, & the £5.50 Games ensured a good night. £17.80 in a night is fine, just fine, & if I could average that every night, I'd be very happy indeed, it'd be all I need, & would pay for Vegas next year. Can't believe I'm thinking Vegas 2015 already, though it is long odds against I'll ever get there again.
Am playing a NLH Tourney tonight, the nice people @ Pokler Player Magazine gave me a seat for tonights Poker Player Magazine Freeroll, so I'll have to cut down my PLO8 DYM Tables for the 10 minutes I expect to last. I so suck @ NLH these days, though I suppose half of it is in my mind, I'm beaten before I start. And I SO love the nuances & subtleties of PLO & PLO8.
See some of you later, I hope.
Oh, forgot to say, we were graced by a visit from Jac35 last night. Beat us all up proper good, too.
Not seen MOTHER since I came back, I miss her. (Like I miss Orford). Hope she is OK, & The Daughter.
Traffis is holding up remarkably well all things considered, but the £11-ers are not running much yet, I've only managed 9 in the 165 games I've played since returning. There are generally 2 or 3 players Registered, but they are not filling much at the moment. I'm sure if you Registered, wd get a few going.
Vegas was wonderful, abso wonderful, but I knocked it in a treat, my first losing trip to Vegas ever, I could not do a thing right, made a few unforced errors at crucial stages, & never really played as well as I can really. 2 cashes from about 15 efforts I think. So I lost a good few bob I'm afraid. Traditionally, a bunch of friends buy half my action in Vegas every year, just for the vicarious thing, so they knocked it in too, which I felt bad about. What a mean woman Lady Variance is.
How are you running, in the HU stuff? Still beating the game handsomely?
That's great news, well done.
Its amazing how luck means we swing & swong, but in truth, if our fundamentals are correct, over time we should beat the game.
You were dead right to quit that night when you were not playing at your best, or feeling right, though.
Those nights do bring a tear to the eye, they hurt, but that makes the bounceback all the sweeter.
No matter who we are, or how good we are, nobody on earth wins every session. That's the sheer beauty of the game, we never know what is going to happen.
And thank you for editing your original Post, I'd have had trouble replying to that.
1) Go to Mount Charlston Lodge, its only 35 miles from The Strip. It's simply breathraking. Try & have a meal on the verandah, in the mountain air, best meal ever.
2) Grand Canyon, everyone should see it once. Too far to drive really, best to get a helicopter. Maverick Helicopters are far & away the best outfit.
3) Go see a Baseball Game @ Nashman Field, home of the 51-ers. It's "small-town America", at its very best.
Oh, & I know you said 3, but The Fremont Street Experience is awesome, especially at night, when they do the light display on the canopy.
See you at UKPC, less than a month away now, & I'm sooooo excited!
Of 5,278 listed hands, the worst possible hand was said to be.......no, not, as you might expect, 2-2-2-2, but K-K-K-K.
I've no idea why 4 Kings is worse (very very marginally) than 2-2-2-2, but thats what the stats say.
I'm going to write some stuff in the Strategy Section shortly, explaining how hands are ranked, which hands are good, & which to avoid. I'll also explain that there are some statistical quirks to the Rankings, based on how they are measured.
For now, however, the "Quad" hands are ranked as.....
(Highest Rank is worst, & 5,278 hands were assessed, based on how many times they will win at least PART of the pot. Their "SCOOP" %'s are obviously even lower).
Note how A-A-A-A falls in the middle of these. I've no idea why.
K-K-K-K - 5,278
Q-Q-Q-Q - 5,277
J-J-J-J - 5,276
10-10-10-10 - 5,275
8-8-8-8 - 5,274
9-9-9-9 - 5,273
A-A-A-A - 5,272
7-7-7-7 - 5,271
6-6-6-6 - 5,250
5-5-5-5 - 5,219
4-4-4-4 - 5,185
3-3-3-3 - 5,138
2-2-2-2 - 5,111
So, of the quad starting hands, 2-2-2-2 is deemed the best.
We can challenge these stats of course, & we should, but it matters not really.
Quads, pre, in PLO8 should be mucked every single time.
Some of the best & worst ranked starting hands are really quite surprising. We should only view the Rankings with narrowed eyes, but they do tell us what hands to avoid, & you'll find the answers very revealing & possibly surprising. Helpful, hopefully, though.
I'll do it shortly, & link it from here.
*Edit
Not even worthy of being called spanners!
Loving this diary btw, I have only really had the odd attempt at PLO8 and tbh I have never had a clue what I am doing (still don't) so it is good to see yours and others views on certain hands etc. I agree with your point in an earlier post about holdem becoming increasingly difficult to beat, so would like to try and learn this format of the game. This thread is a good starting point.
Dive in - there's only one way to learn !
Best thing i ever did.
GL
Would just like to have a proper study on good/bad starting hands before I have a dabble. So far all I really know is that quads are garbage and double suited hands such as AA23 are good?? I don't wanna jump in at the deep end knowing so little.