In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Well you're not the first person I have heard say that. Just had a read of Jac's diary and he had nothing but good to say about PLO8 too. Would just like to have a proper study on good/bad starting hands before I have a dabble. So far all I really know is that quads are garbage and double suited hands such as AA23 are good?? I don't wanna jump in at the deep end knowing so little. Posted by waller02
I would say if you're a good DYM player and understand the strategy then you're 75% the way there. Just brush up on PLO8 starting hands and you'll soon get there. The biggest challenge i had/have is the lo end of the board, but im still learning. Maybe set aside a few quid and practice on 60p tables?
What a topsy turvey evening. I had to win my last four games of the evening to break even. Lost an all important £11 game, I say lost, I mean played horribly and rightly got despatched early. I considered giving up for the night but really concentrated and got back level. I also had the luck go my way on a couple of occasions but there you go had no luck the other night so take it when it comes my way. No chatter tonight but fun anyway nick
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : No problem. I appreciate that you are extremely busy but just didn't know who else to ask. Many thanks. Loving this diary btw, I have only really had the odd attempt at PLO8 and tbh I have never had a clue what I am doing (still don't) so it is good to see yours and others views on certain hands etc. I agree with your point in an earlier post about holdem becoming increasingly difficult to beat, so would like to try and learn this format of the game. This thread is a good starting point. Posted by waller02
Hey Mr Waller I have been playing PLO8 for the last 4-5 months and do not play NLHE at all anymore. I was very lucky to find that the PLO8 gang were always ready to talk and offer advice and even more fortunate that "the master" went out of his way to help as well. I can offer some advice that was given to me if you like just send me a pm and we can talk. I will say that the fun bit has got better in the last five weeks as I have finally started to win more than I lose. I still have the odd bad night but the bankroll is going up again which is good. I find the game and the people friendly relaxing and fun and hope you will to. Nick
I know I'm a pork pie short of being a picnic, but can someone please explain how 2222 is a better hand than KKKK? I mean, if two players are heads up and those two hands are dealt, KKKK has won the pot, regardless of what the board brings. That's obvious.
ps. I clearly need an explanation which uses little words only, as I must be daft. I don't get this at all. And yes I know it's not important, as anyone would have to be dafter than me to play quads. Especially at a WSOP event.
I'm with you macacgirl, I can't see how 2222 rates as a better hand than KKKK.
There's no hand that the twos (I refuse to call them deuces) beats that the Kings don't (whereas the other way around Kings beat any other one pair hand except aces), and neither of them can make a low hand, a straight or a flush
I know I'm a pork pie short of being a picnic, but can someone please explain how 2222 is a better hand than KKKK? I mean, if two players are heads up and those two hands are dealt, KKKK has won the pot, regardless of what the board brings. That's obvious. ps. I clearly need an explanation which uses little words only, as I must be daft. I don't get this at all. And yes I know it's not important, as anyone would have to be dafter than me to play quads. Especially at a WSOP event. Posted by Macacgirl1
I agree as to the 2-2-2-2 v K-K-K-K thing, but, after some lengthy deliberation, I think I have found the answer, based on how the stats were arrived at.
There is a sort of curve ball in how the stats were constructed, not that it matters really, as we all know the answer, & we all know we'd not play quads anyway.
I agree as to the 2-2-2-2 v K-K-K-K thing, but, after some lengthy deliberation, I think I have found the answer, based on how the stats were arrived at. There is a sort of curve ball in how the stats were constructed, not that it matters really, as we all know the answer, & we all know we'd not play quads anyway. I'll explain it in a bit. Posted by Tikay10
Really? Quads no good?
Thank goodness a couple of my shoves got through the other night then
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Really? Quads no good? Thank goodness a couple of my shoves got through the other night then Posted by Jac35
Ha!
As it happens, I've played quads a few times in certain situations. If we can be pretty sure we won't get called - & there are a number of situations where we can reasonably predict that - it's fine. It's not so fine if we get a caller though. I always type "sorry, misclick"......
Three Aces is another spot where we should fold, unless we have either a 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 kicker. If the kicker is higher than 6, it will rank very badly, amongst the worst 25% of hands. But.......the thing is, most regular & semi-competent PLO8 players don't like to call a raise or play a big pot unless they have an Ace in their hand, as Aces are immensely powerful in PLO8.
So, knowing this, in certain spots we can pot it pre with A-A-A-bad because we know the probability of our oppo holding an ace is a bit slim, as we have "the blockers".
I've never done that of course, oh no. Except last night, when I got caught with fingers in the till when I tried to nick it pre with A-A-A-K. (Ranked 2,802 of 5,283).
Won 10 of the first 15, lovely, all set for another good night, & then BANG, could not win a hand, and only won 3 of the next 15.
The £3ers were the real problem, losing 13 of 18, luckily I won 7 from 11 @ £5.50, & the only £11-er that ran, which deffo helped a lot.
How do these things happen?
What a great game this is, just when you think you've got it sussed, along comes Miss Variance & gives us a slap round the chops.
Incidentally, I fudged the overall numbers a little bit today, as I had a "sundry" cash in the Poker Player GP Freeroll thing, & I use the Closing balance each night to produce the daily numbers. It was only £3.75, so does not really mess the numbers up.
Playing that NLH MTT was a bit of a challenge, too. I don't play NLH these days, & the mindset is COMPLETELY differernt to PLO8, so it was a bit of a challenge, but I folded my way to 22nd of 323, so pretty pleased really.
The Traffic profile was a bit odd last night, too, as folks were trying to get their games in before the football, so lots of games running early, & at one time I had 9 PLO8 DYM's plus the Poker Player NLH thing on the go. Come 9pm, it quietened down though.
"Typical Sky fraud, it was a perfect flip & yet I lost"
When someone's mind works like that, there's not much you can say really.
Later, against a very good player who must have played over 10,000 DYM's on Sky, I got lucky in a hand, & the chap went proper loopy, chased me from table to table making toxic comments. You'd think after 10,000 games they would have sussed the deal, & learned to take a beat like a grown-up. It's not like anyone, ever, deliberately gets it in bad.
That apart, the chat & banter was good as always last night. Very much different to the NLH MTT, where the folks were a little more, well, serious.
What a topsy turvey evening. I had to win my last four games of the evening to break even. Lost an all important £11 game, I say lost, I mean played horribly and rightly got despatched early. I considered giving up for the night but really concentrated and got back level. I also had the luck go my way on a couple of occasions but there you go had no luck the other night so take it when it comes my way. No chatter tonight but fun anyway nick Posted by pompeynic
When we have to win the last 4 games to break even, if really feels like a win if we do it.
Well done.
That £11er was the only one that ran last night, & that sucks a bit, as it does not give you the chance to restore the damage if no more run.
I was the opposite last night, cruising to a nice profit after 15 games, & then, one by agonising one, the losses kept coming, no matter how hard I tried. In the end I was grateful to get away with a £7 loss.
Have you seen MOTHER (amarie) lately? Maybe she's on holiday, but I miss her. (Money).
Seen in the chatbox last night. "Typical Sky fraud, it was a perfect flip & yet I lost" When someone's mind works like that, there's not much you can say really. Later, against a very good player who must have played over 10,000 DYM's on Sky, I got lucky in a hand, & the chap went proper loopy, chased me from table to table making toxic comments. You'd think after 10,000 games they would have sussed the deal, & learned to take a beat like a grown-up. It's not like anyone, ever, deliberately gets it in bad. That apart, the chat & banter was good as always last night. Very much different to the NLH MTT, where the folks were a little more, well, serious . Posted by Tikay10
I saw that too and tried changing the subject to the weather :-) Altostratus and all that Gotta love a good cloud !
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I saw that too and tried changing the subject to the weather :-) Altostratus and all that Gotta love a good cloud ! Posted by VespaPX
Yeah, I noticed that, but I never responded, its best I keep quiet. He was pretty cross though.
It's funny, the MOMENT I busted him, the whole table sort of held it's breath, "watch out, incoming rant", & right on cue, there it was.
I really wish I could help him understand how poker works, he does not seem to derive much pleasure from the game, which is rather sad.
The last thing he ever said to me (I had him on constant mute afterwards) was "I hope you get run over" I did applaud the uniqueness of the comment though! He should try camomile tea I guess.
The last thing he ever said to me (I had him on constant mute afterwards) was "I hope you get run over" I did applaud the uniqueness of the comment though! He should try camomile tea I guess. Posted by Macacgirl1
Good grief. How utterly extraordinary.
It does not seem to trouble the regulars, they know he says these things every time - without exception - that he loses a hand, so most seem to almost laugh it off.
If only we could help him understand how poker works.
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Just brush up on PLO8 starting hands and you'll soon get there.
The biggest challenge i had/have is the lo end of the board, but im still learning.
Maybe set aside a few quid and practice on 60p tables?
No chatter tonight but fun anyway
nick
I have been playing PLO8 for the last 4-5 months and do not play NLHE at all anymore. I was very lucky to find that the PLO8 gang were always ready to talk and offer advice and even more fortunate that "the master" went out of his way to help as well. I can offer some advice that was given to me if you like just send me a pm and we can talk. I will say that the fun bit has got better in the last five weeks as I have finally started to win more than I lose. I still have the odd bad night but the bankroll is going up again which is good.
I find the game and the people friendly relaxing and fun and hope you will to. Nick
I know I'm a pork pie short of being a picnic, but can someone please explain how 2222 is a better hand than KKKK?
I mean, if two players are heads up and those two hands are dealt, KKKK has won the pot, regardless of what the board brings. That's obvious.
ps. I clearly need an explanation which uses little words only, as I must be daft. I don't get this at all. And yes I know it's not important, as anyone would have to be dafter than me to play quads. Especially at a WSOP event.
There's no hand that the twos (I refuse to call them deuces) beats that the Kings don't (whereas the other way around Kings beat any other one pair hand except aces), and neither of them can make a low hand, a straight or a flush
I agree as to the 2-2-2-2 v K-K-K-K thing, but, after some lengthy deliberation, I think I have found the answer, based on how the stats were arrived at.
There is a sort of curve ball in how the stats were constructed, not that it matters really, as we all know the answer, & we all know we'd not play quads anyway.
I'll explain it in a bit.
As it happens, I've played quads a few times in certain situations. If we can be pretty sure we won't get called - & there are a number of situations where we can reasonably predict that - it's fine. It's not so fine if we get a caller though. I always type "sorry, misclick"......
Three Aces is another spot where we should fold, unless we have either a 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 kicker. If the kicker is higher than 6, it will rank very badly, amongst the worst 25% of hands. But.......the thing is, most regular & semi-competent PLO8 players don't like to call a raise or play a big pot unless they have an Ace in their hand, as Aces are immensely powerful in PLO8.
So, knowing this, in certain spots we can pot it pre with A-A-A-bad because we know the probability of our oppo holding an ace is a bit slim, as we have "the blockers".
I've never done that of course, oh no. Except last night, when I got caught with fingers in the till when I tried to nick it pre with A-A-A-K. (Ranked 2,802 of 5,283).
9th July Numbers & Stuff
Played 30
Won 13
Lost 17
£3.30, P 18, W 5, L 13
£5.50, P 11, W 7 L 4
£11, P1, W 1, L 0
Opening Balance - £1,304.80
Closing Balance = £1,297.65
Profit Loss on Night - £7.15
Profit Loss on Month = £3.95
REWARD POINTS on night = 119
REWARD POINTS IN MONTH = 731 (= £7.31)
GAMES PLAYED IN MONTH = 181
GAMES WON IN MONTH = 98
WIN % = 54.1%
Well what happened there?
Won 10 of the first 15, lovely, all set for another good night, & then BANG, could not win a hand, and only won 3 of the next 15.
The £3ers were the real problem, losing 13 of 18, luckily I won 7 from 11 @ £5.50, & the only £11-er that ran, which deffo helped a lot.
How do these things happen?
What a great game this is, just when you think you've got it sussed, along comes Miss Variance & gives us a slap round the chops.
Incidentally, I fudged the overall numbers a little bit today, as I had a "sundry" cash in the Poker Player GP Freeroll thing, & I use the Closing balance each night to produce the daily numbers. It was only £3.75, so does not really mess the numbers up.
Playing that NLH MTT was a bit of a challenge, too. I don't play NLH these days, & the mindset is COMPLETELY differernt to PLO8, so it was a bit of a challenge, but I folded my way to 22nd of 323, so pretty pleased really.
The Traffic profile was a bit odd last night, too, as folks were trying to get their games in before the football, so lots of games running early, & at one time I had 9 PLO8 DYM's plus the Poker Player NLH thing on the go. Come 9pm, it quietened down though.
Seen in the chatbox last night.
"Typical Sky fraud, it was a perfect flip & yet I lost"
When someone's mind works like that, there's not much you can say really.
Later, against a very good player who must have played over 10,000 DYM's on Sky, I got lucky in a hand, & the chap went proper loopy, chased me from table to table making toxic comments. You'd think after 10,000 games they would have sussed the deal, & learned to take a beat like a grown-up. It's not like anyone, ever, deliberately gets it in bad.
That apart, the chat & banter was good as always last night. Very much different to the NLH MTT, where the folks were a little more, well, serious.
I opened up the site last night, & regged for all my games, then I'm all set for a nice relaxing evening, hassle-free.
At 6.19pm, the first table opened, off we go for a nice evening session.
Before the first hand had even been dealt, this came up in the chatbox......
"Can you tell me the Password for tonight's Freeoll please?"
Marv.
Well done.
That £11er was the only one that ran last night, & that sucks a bit, as it does not give you the chance to restore the damage if no more run.
I was the opposite last night, cruising to a nice profit after 15 games, & then, one by agonising one, the losses kept coming, no matter how hard I tried. In the end I was grateful to get away with a £7 loss.
Have you seen MOTHER (amarie) lately? Maybe she's on holiday, but I miss her. (Money).
I hope her absence is not connected to my return.
Come to think of it, the day I returned YOU left, too......
Altostratus and all that
Gotta love a good cloud !
It's funny, the MOMENT I busted him, the whole table sort of held it's breath, "watch out, incoming rant", & right on cue, there it was.
I really wish I could help him understand how poker works, he does not seem to derive much pleasure from the game, which is rather sad.
I did applaud the uniqueness of the comment though!
He should try camomile tea I guess.
It does not seem to trouble the regulars, they know he says these things every time - without exception - that he loses a hand, so most seem to almost laugh it off.
If only we could help him understand how poker works.