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DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....
DOHHHHHHH
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Right then, the form of poker I play least! I have abit of time to practise and build up some experience in this type of game. Just played a wee DYM, just a 5r, n came third. I very nearly blew it though, I read so many posts on here regarding DYM's, I wondered if the guys who play em constantly can helkp me with a few scenarios I encountered, and also, just offer genral advice.
The first one....we're on the bubble, the highest stack is myself with 3,600, the lowst is just below 3k, so theres absolutely nothing in it.
Situation 1
Blinds 100/200, I have ace 6 in the small blind. I raise 3xBB and the flop comes 6, 5, 5 2 diamonds. I bet 800, and the fella goes all in. If I put him on the fd and 2 overs, do I pass here? as after all the prize for 3rd is the same as 1st? - Had him on a QK diamonds sort of hand. Anyway I passed, as i still had over 2k left.
Situation 2
Still the bubble, blinds 150,300, shortstack has 365, and shoves the button obv. The small blind FOLDS! SUUUREEEEELLLLYYYYY he calls with any 2 here? - I know the answer here just want it confirming. Anyway the shortie doubled.
Situation 3
My nxt BB, the shortie has 685. - Blinds 150 / 300 - He shoves again, The sb folds, AGAIN, grr, I have 6-2 and a stack of 1,800ish, with 300 invested. Do I call here??? I did, and won.....
The more I play the more I'll get used to these sort of situations, as I get used to 3rd being worth the same as 1st. Any help much appreciated, Ive made no secret of hating this format, but the conventinal sng format of top 2 getting paid has an inbalanced pay out, 3rd in a dym is worth more than 2nd in a normal SNG.
Thanx for any help, DOHH
Comments
This isnt a bad beat post below - but could / would u have called in ??? position Dohhhhhhhh.......I scratched my head about it!
Yeh Im all in there, hes limp called an all in with 8 high? - U play pretty high level SNG's dnt u??? lol
The main one I was in 2 minds about was the ace 6, flopping tp tk. If its a normal MTT, I have absolutely no regard for any type of bubble (might be different if/when I play bigger buy ins, like, alot bigger buy ins. So situations like this are new to me.
I'll probli see you at the £22 + sngs over the next week or so as I get used to it, thanx for the reply.
DOHH
Doh,
Firstly, I will reply to your PM tomorrow. I know you said you did not need a reply, but I'd like to. But I'm too tired to tackle it tonight.
OK, those DYM questions.
You don't need "how to play a poker hand" advice from me or anyone else I suspect. But tactics in a DYM are something else completely.
DYM's are COMPLETELY different to regular SNG's, or even Tournament poker.
6 start, & 3 get paid, & they all get paid the same. So it's like a Super-Sat. Do NOT try to win the thing.
You only need to focus or get involved when there are FOUR players left. To get involved earlier makes no sense, & in any event, it's probable that the early-paced LAG's will do your job for you & bust themselves or others.
So, 4 handed, NOW we play. Assuming level stacks (unlikely), just get your money in first (shove, the Blinds will be big) to pay the rent. Watch the others stack-sizes & the Button Position with great care, & see who is likely to shove next. Basically, just steal enough to keep out of trouble, & let the others do the work. Sometimes, you will need to make those Hero Calls when Mr Shortie shoves, but you need no advice from me on that stuff, you know the score.
Finally, remember that to be "reasonably" profitable in DYM's, you really need to cash in 7 out of every 10. 6 out of 10 only shows a 5% ROI (approx, & net of Reg Fees), so 7 out of 10 is your minimum Target if you go the DYM Route.
Doh, according to the rules you have to play S&Gs but it doesnt say they have to be DYMs. You can play DYM and go for top 3 every time or you can play other S&Gs and g FTW.
Tikay is right that you don't really play til you get to the last four with only having to come third to make maximum profit off a DYM then you can let the LAG players play their hands and play themselves out, if you don't play for a while or only pick up a few blinds thats fine, just think in STT's that there are not that many chips in play so all you need is 1 big pot and your back up with the leader.
When it gets to the bubble, most people play really tight this is where you can use, with care, your tight image you have shown throughout the rest of the tournament to steal blinds, which at this point are substancial to your stack, just be careful not to get trapped, but as long as you have your reads on players by this point you should be fine, plus I know this area is more your way of play.
Good Luck on them and Good Luck in TP mate
Spike2120
1. you lose a lot of power in dym games because you have to beat a win rate of 55% to make a profit... so always keep this number in mind... for these reasons i think getting it all in preflop when you have more than 20BBish with AK or even AKs is not profitable. KK and AA obviously, QQ becomes tough and JJ is to me a fold.
2. as before ive said you lose a lot of power so i think dym becomes a much more passive game, reraising without JJ+ is problematic because if you do it with AK, get called, miss the flop and c bet... get called then you can easily lose a chunk of your stack and without the potential to reload this is deadly. the game is about chip preservation so that you have fold equity for the shove stage.
3. when you have less than 10BB always shove and dont raise or limp.
4. be careful shoving limpers because a lot of players have a tendency to limp call very light at the end stages of a dym.
5. i find limping in SB or checking in BB with big aces is fine in dym but obviously just throw them away more readily in a multi way pot.
6. chip stacks are key... if you raise someones BB who has about 10BB then you can expect them to shove a % of the time so tighten up your raising range... middle stacks though bully bully bully and passive big stacks but not calling station big stacks.
7. chip accumulation... ok some people say basically sit out the first couple blind levels but i think instead you should be slowly trying to accumulate chips using your post flop advantage so that you have the potential to survive a coin flip later on.
8. the power of the min raise... min raise acts as a pot builder but also establishes your control in the hand (a psychological raise)... ooo he raised he must have a hand sort of thinking... so min raising in position with suited cons can be very potent and a decent % of the time everyone plays so tight they just fold. this can also be done with a wide range in the SB as it allows you to C bet very cheaply and pick up lots of small pots allowing for successful chip accumulation.
hope these tips helps buddy... let me know if u need any explained or want to debate anything
much love x
mmmm so you do have a bit of poker skill in you lol !
i presume you mean donkey like in poker calling station,
i would never say something like that about one of my mates,
p.s. but in facial appearance you do look a bit like mr ed .
lucky for me you are far to young to know who mr ed was lol.
In Response to Re: DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....:
n1,
hey i tried out your tips today seriously they worked for me ty,
and plzzz do bother ,
JJ take a look at a post on blonde re. stt strategy. It's by wardonkey (one of the best stt players) and you will find it useful. If you search on blonde you should find it.
psst ....... If you ask Tikay nicely he might give you a link to it.
Woof!
But I will ensure Dohx7 gets to see it. I'll either copy it across to here, or send him a PM telling him where he can find it.
Gotta love this thread.