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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 162,602

    Thought this was fascinating.

    More resignations by Mrs May's Ministers in 2 years than Mrs Thatcher had 12 years. Of course, Mrs Thatcher would have handled this Brexit situation all rather differently.


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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    edited March 2019
    Tikay10 said:


    Thought this was fascinating.

    More resignations by Mrs May's Ministers in 2 years than Mrs Thatcher had 12 years. Of course, Mrs Thatcher would have handled this Brexit situation all rather differently.


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    I think it would be fair to say that anyone else would have handled Brexit differently.

    It seems that she will resign in a minute.

    This will give us our third PM since the referendum.

    Another General Election may be imminent, Labour winning could result in a fourth PM, and another new Tory leader.

    As we seem destined to leave with a Blind Brexit, and future trade deal negotiations are likely to take in excess of 5 years.

    We have time for a further 2 General Elections, before we actually leave.

    Was anyone thinking at the time of the referendum that we could have 4 General Elections, and 6 different PMs before we actually left?

    How feasible are negotiations that change course according to the leadership changes?
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    Is Britain plunging into a General Election? Rebel MPs vote to seize control of Brexit TOMORROW after three ministers quit to join them and May's allies warn poll that could be WEEKS away if the chaos goes on

    Brexit chaos could plunge Britain into a general election in weeks, ministers said yesterday after rebel MPs voted to seize control of Brexit from the embattled Prime Minister.
    Three pro-EU ministers quit the Government to back a Commons amendment enabling MPs to take control of Commons business to stage a series of 'indicative votes' on alternatives to the Prime Minister's deal tomorrow.
    They were among 30 Conservative MPs to defy the whips and support the cross-party amendment which was passed by 392 to 302 - a majority of 27 - in another humiliating reverse for Theresa May.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/is-britain-plunging-into-a-general-election-rebel-mps-vote-to-seize-control-of-brexit-tomorrow-after-three-ministers-quit-to-join-them-and-mays-allies-warn-poll-that-could-be-weeks-away-if-the-chaos-goes-on/ar-BBVdSGg?ocid=spartanntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    Next Tory leader odds: Michael Gove now bookies' favourite to replace Theresa May



    Michael Gove is now the favourite to become the next Conservative Party leader.
    After another humiliating night for Theresa May, in which Parliament wrested control of the Brexit process from her government, Environment Secretary Mr Gove is now the bookies’ favourite to take over.
    With Mrs May’s position looking increasingly perilous, betting comparison website Oddschecker has Mr Gove as the 7/2 favourite to replace her.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/next-tory-leader-odds-michael-gove-now-bookies-favourite-to-replace-theresa-may/ar-BBVeAs4?ocid=spartanntp
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    HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,168
    HAYSIE said:

    Next Tory leader odds: Michael Gove now bookies' favourite to replace Theresa May



    Michael Gove is now the favourite to become the next Conservative Party leader.
    After another humiliating night for Theresa May, in which Parliament wrested control of the Brexit process from her government, Environment Secretary Mr Gove is now the bookies’ favourite to take over.
    With Mrs May’s position looking increasingly perilous, betting comparison website Oddschecker has Mr Gove as the 7/2 favourite to replace her.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/next-tory-leader-odds-michael-gove-now-bookies-favourite-to-replace-theresa-may/ar-BBVeAs4?ocid=spartanntp

    Wouldn't trust this backstabber with anything, let alone the government
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    Jacob Rees-Mogg Suggests He Is Ready To Vote For Theresa May's Brexit Deal



    Jacob Rees-Mogg has indicated he is ready to back Theresa May’s Brexit deal after admitting eurosceptic MPs do not have the numbers to secure their perfect exit.
    In a boost for the prime minister, the head of the European Research Group (ERG) of pro-Brexit Tory MPs said it appeared he would have no choice but to vote for the agreement.
    “The prime minister will not deliver a no-deal Brexit,” he told ConHome’s Moggcast podcast on Tuesday.

    “I have always thought that no-deal is better than Mrs May’s deal, but Mrs May’s deal is better than not leaving at all.”
    The leading Brexiteer has previously said May’s deal with the EU would turn the UK into a “slave state”.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/jacob-rees-mogg-suggests-he-is-ready-to-vote-for-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/ar-BBVePb2?ocid=spartandhp
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    madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,339
    HENDRIK62 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Next Tory leader odds: Michael Gove now bookies' favourite to replace Theresa May



    Michael Gove is now the favourite to become the next Conservative Party leader.
    After another humiliating night for Theresa May, in which Parliament wrested control of the Brexit process from her government, Environment Secretary Mr Gove is now the bookies’ favourite to take over.
    With Mrs May’s position looking increasingly perilous, betting comparison website Oddschecker has Mr Gove as the 7/2 favourite to replace her.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/next-tory-leader-odds-michael-gove-now-bookies-favourite-to-replace-theresa-may/ar-BBVeAs4?ocid=spartanntp

    Wouldn't trust this backstabber with anything, let alone the government
    I remember when he was education secretary...its still a face I would like to punch but tbf...JRMogg is now my favourite for that treat!
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    madprof said:

    HENDRIK62 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Next Tory leader odds: Michael Gove now bookies' favourite to replace Theresa May



    Michael Gove is now the favourite to become the next Conservative Party leader.
    After another humiliating night for Theresa May, in which Parliament wrested control of the Brexit process from her government, Environment Secretary Mr Gove is now the bookies’ favourite to take over.
    With Mrs May’s position looking increasingly perilous, betting comparison website Oddschecker has Mr Gove as the 7/2 favourite to replace her.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/next-tory-leader-odds-michael-gove-now-bookies-favourite-to-replace-theresa-may/ar-BBVeAs4?ocid=spartanntp

    Wouldn't trust this backstabber with anything, let alone the government
    I remember when he was education secretary...its still a face I would like to punch but tbf...JRMogg is now my favourite for that treat!
    The House of Commons is a place where you would be spoilt for choice in respect of faces that you would be happy to punch.
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    Even as front pages ponder whether Theresa May will name her "exit date" from No 10 to secure the support she needs for her Brexit deal, there's speculation over who might replace her.
    Writing in the Daily Mail, Henry Deedes assesses those jockeying for position.
    "Of the runners and riders, quickest out of the starting gate will be those zealous stallions Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid and Boris Johnson, though the last of these may require gelding if he is to stay the course," he writes.
    But he says punters should keep an eye on the stayers rather than the sprinters, wondering "might flashy young colt Matthew Hancock be worth a small flutter"? Ambition, he argues, pumps through the 40-year-old health secretary's "unsullied arteries" like cortisone



    It's Mr Johnson who's making headlines in the Daily Telegraph.
    It carries an abridged version of a speech he delivered in London on Tuesday night in which he described - in characteristically colourful terms - his regret that Brexit won't be delivered this Friday.
    The former foreign secretary told his audience that this was meant to be a week of jubilation, he says.
    But instead: "In one of the most protoplasmic displays of invertebracy since the Precambrian epoch, this government has decided not to fulfil the mandate of the people.

    Mr Johnson continues: "On Monday night we saw the extraordinary spectacle of a government collaborating in the hijacking of the ship of state - captain and crew cravenly handing the helm to the pirate [Tory MP Sir Oliver] Letwin - so that these backbenchers are now charting the way ahead."
    Sir Oliver, whose cross-party indicative votes amendment won the support of the Commons on Monday, is given a scathing appraisal in the Sun's leader column.
    It says Brexit is today in the hands of "Parliament's most blunder-prone Tory buffoon".
    It's hard to imagine how things could get worse, it continues, but "this diehard Remainer and Old Etonian twit" will find a way.



    However, the prime minister's deal may yet win the support it needs.
    While leading Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg calls Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement a bad deal that does not deliver on the promises made in the Tory party manifesto, he writes in the Daily Mail that he might back it after all.
    "I apologise for changing my mind," he says, adding that his support for the deal is conditional on Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionists also giving it their backing.
    "I have come to this view because the numbers in Parliament make it clear that all the other potential outcomes are worse and an awkward reality needs to be faced," he writes.




    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47714988
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    Revoke Article 50: Government rejects petition signed 5.7 million times



    The Government has rejected a petition calling for Brexit to be stopped, which has gathered more than 5.75 million signatures.
    The petition is due to be debated by MPs on 1 April, after smashing the 100,000 threshold for consideration and becoming the best-supported proposal in the history of the House of Commons and Government's e-petitions website.

    Rejecting the oft-repeated claim that EU withdrawal is the "will of the people", it calls for the revocation of the Article 50 letter informing the European Council of the UK's intention to leave.
    The Article 50 letter can be withdrawn by the UK unilaterally, without the need for EU agreement, leaving Britain free to continue as a member on its current terms.


    But in its official response to the petition, the Department for Exiting the EU said: "It remains the Government's firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.
    "Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/revoke-article-50-government-rejects-petition-signed-57-million-times/ar-BBVglG1?ocid=spartandhp
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    Brexit border chaos could break up the UK and lead to a united Ireland and Scottish independence, warns May



    Cross-border chaos caused by a hard Brexit could lead to a united Ireland, Theresa May has warned.
    The Prime Minister pointed to abortion and gay rights reforms in the Republic which have cut opposition to the idea in Northern Ireland.
    She claimed the ‘liberalisation’ of the Irish Republic means voters in the North could opt for the province to leave the UK, if border tensions caused by No Deal or another hard Brexit prompted a backlash against Westminster.


    She also stressed the ‘knock-on effect’ would be Scotland breaking away from the UK and ‘the destruction of our precious union’.
    Mrs May made the warning when she met senior Tories, including leading Brexiteers, at her country residence Chequers on Sunday in an attempt to win support for her withdrawal plan.
    The Daily Mail has been told she spoke ‘passionately’ about the risk of a united Ireland when Brexiteers urged her to leave the EU with No Deal.
    She said her plan was designed to prevent border tensions in Northern Ireland, while her opponents’ hard-Brexit proposals – including No Deal – did not take account of this or the damaging consequences for the union.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-border-chaos-could-break-up-the-uk-and-lead-to-a-united-ireland-and-scottish-independence-warns-may/ar-BBVgO3Z?ocid=spartandhp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    Government 'brushes off' anti-Brexit petition: Ministers tell five million people who signed call for Article 50 to be revoked that the poll WILL be debated in Commons next week - but that they will press ahead with leaving EU
    MPs will now debate the petition after it garnered nearly six million signatures
    The debate date has been set for April 1 as the government responded Tuesday
    In its response the government said it had no intention of revoking Article 50




    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6853647/Government-rejects-5-million-signature-petition-calling-halt-Brexit.html
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    Brexit: Political will of the people 'must be in question' as 55 per cent now want to stay in EU, poll finds
    Remain would secure 55 per cent majority if EU referendum were re-run, analysis of British Social Attitudes Survey respondents suggests





    Brexit has ceased to be the “will of the people” and in a second referendum 55 per cent would vote Remain, analysis of British Social Attitudes Survey respondents has suggested.
    The new National Centre for Social Research data also found that just six per cent now think the UK will secure a good Brexit deal - a massive reduction from the 33 per cent who were optimistic about the outcome of negotiations when the Article 50 process was triggered in March 2017.





    The findings have led the centre’s senior research fellow Sir John Curtice to warn MPs discussing Brexit in Parliament: “There is seemingly room for debate about whether leaving the EU is still the ‘will’ of a majority of voters in the UK.



    “Perhaps the key message for the politicians as they decide what to do is that those on all sides of the argument might be best advised to show a degree of humility when claiming to know what voters really want.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-will-of-people-poll-leave-remain-eu-second-referendum-vote-centre-social-research-curtice-a8839996.html
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    Theresa May's decision to stand down after delivering Brexit is widely welcomed.
    The Sun, which had called for her to go earlier this week, says she has always done her duty by her country and - "to her great credit" - did so again last night.
    The Daily Telegraph leader writers - who have also urged the prime minister to quit in recent days - say that while they have issues with the deal she reached with the EU, they have never doubted her commitment both to the task and to the country.
    For the Daily Express, she put the good of the country before personal ambition.
    Dominic Sandbrook, writing in the Daily Mail, says that even though Mrs May's premiership seems likely to end before its third anniversary, perhaps the most remarkable thing about it is that it lasted so long.

    In the words of the Times, she bowed to the inevitable.
    "She was dealt a near-impossible hand with Brexit and played it astonishingly poorly," it argues.
    In the Daily Mirror's view, she will be "remembered as a leader whose mishandling of the Brexit process inflamed divisions while leaving the country facing an uncertain future".
    At every stage of Brexit, she made the wrong choices, it says.
    The Financial Times says: "Mrs May has struggled to reconcile her own Brexit red lines with political reality, attempting to pull off an almost impossible feat with a non-existent majority, a disintegrating cabinet and a mutinous party."


    Her decision to announce her resignation was her final desperate attempt to ensure that Brexit will indeed be her legacy, not a piece of unfinished business to be handed over to her successor, it adds.
    For the Guardian, Mrs May might get "a legacy of sorts" but nothing about her deal would serve the wider interests of the country.
    It says the agreement is unchanged, the prospect of a different Tory leader won't fix its deficiencies and its opponents will not really have changed their minds.
    What now?
    The papers mull over how a process aimed at discovering Parliament's preferred Brexit approach resulted in none of the eight proposed options winning over a majority of MPs.
    The Mail says it was the night MPs couldn't decide on anything. "So just what do they want?" it wonders.


    When the options were put to the Commons, the Mirror says, the answer was: "None of the above."
    For the Times, MPs took control - but ended up in yet another deadlock. Consensus was "a distant dream", in the words of the Telegraph.
    The Sun says Brexit was plunged into farce, while the Express describes the exercise as an utter shambles.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47728858
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    Remainers praise Dame Margaret Beckett for 'brilliant' speech on 'undemocratic stitch-up'
    LABOUR'S Dame Margaret Beckett claimed Brexiteers' will to deliver on the 2016 referendum result at all costs would be "the undemocratic establishment stitch-up of all time".

    Addressing MPs in the Commons ahead of a series of indicative votes on various alternative Brexit outcomes, the Labour MP urged Brexiteers to "consider the possible consequences" for trust in the political establishment if they delivered on the result of the 2016 referendum without asking for the confirmatory approval of British voters a second time. Dame Margaret claimed she "honoured" the stance of those who are prepared to suffer economic damage for the sake of regaining national sovereignty outside of the European Union. But warned "sovereignty will not return".

    She said: “It’s clear that many who voted Leave have accepted the possible economic damage of which they have been warned as a price they’re prepared to pay for the return of sovereignty.
    “And I honour them for that stance.
    “But sovereignty is not returning. In fact, we’re sacrificing sovereignty for the sake of saying we are no longer members of the EU.
    “I recognise that such a deal may be all that’s on offer but to me, it’s inconceivable that its acceptance should be solely a matter for members of this House





    “I genuinely have no idea what view the British people might take of these various compromises and certainly many, including in this House, oppose they’re even being asked.

    “Ever since the day of the second referendum result in 2016, a deluge not just of warnings but of threats has come from those who take this view.
    “Forecasting unrest, civil disorder, greater division and a dramatic further reduction in the public trust in politics.
    “But I invite colleagues who determinedly resist a confirmatory vote to look starkly at the full implications of what they’re saying.
    “They are willing - some are determined - to vote to terminate our membership of the European Union even if this may now be against the wishes of the majority of the British people.
    “Consider the possible consequences for trust in politics or for social peace if this House forces an outcome on the people of this country that they no longer desire.
    “That really would be the undemocratic establishment stitch-up of all time"

    Labour MPs have been told to back a motion tabled by the former foreign secretary, which would require any Brexit deal passed during this Parliament to be confirmed in a public referendum before ratification.
    Jeremy Corbyn's party is also whipping its MPs to back its own alternative Brexit plan as well as a customs union proposals tabled by veteran Tory europhile Ken Clarke.
    And they are being encouraged to back Nick Boles's "Common Market 2.0" proposal for single market membership and a close customs arrangement, which Mr Corbyn himself will support.
    Speaker John Bercow selected just eight out of the 16 Brexit options tabled by MPs for a vote, turning down proposals to demand a unilateral right to leave the Northern Irish "backstop" or to require automatic revocation of Article 50 if no deal is reached.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1106211/Brexit-news-Dame-Margaret-Beckett-speech-Theresa-May-UK-indicative-votes
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    THE END IS NIGH: May sparks BREXIT CIVIL WAR - Brexiteers REELING after PM’s shock move
    THERESA May has pledged to quit Downing Street within weeks in return for Tory support for her Brexit deal.




    "I could tear this place down and bulldoze it into the river. These fools and knaves and cowards are voting on things they don’t even understand.
    "We’ve been put in this place by people whose addiction to power without responsibility has led them to put the choice of No Brexit or this deal.
    "I may yet resign the whip than be part of this."
    In a blow to Mrs May's hopes of her deal passing, the DUPstill refused to back her deal because of objections to the proposed "backstop" mechanism for guaranteeing Northern Ireland's open border with the Irish Republic.
    "We will not be supporting the Government if they table a fresh meaningful vote," said a statement from the DUP.
    The wording of the statement raised hopes the DUP could be ready to abstain, which might allow the deal to pass, however.
    The statement warned that the backstop "poses an unacceptable threat of the integrity of the UK and will inevitably limit the UK's ability to negotiate on the type of future relationship with the EU."

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1106295/brexit-news-theresa-may-resign-quit-brexit-deal-theresa-may-eu
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,086
    No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! Commons votes down EIGHT different Brexit proposals - including second referendum AND no deal - leaving EU exit plans mired in new level of chaos

    MPs have voted on eight different alternatives to May's Brexit deal last night to canvass support for rival plans
    All eight plans were rejected. A second referendum got the most votes overall but still lost 295 to 268
    Labour is ordering its MPs to back Corbyn's Brexit plan, a second referendum and a UK-EU customs union
    Jess Phillips said she expected up to 10 frontbenchers to quit in protest at party's support for public vote
    Came after shadow frontbencher Barry Gardiner said Labour would order MPs to vote against stopping Brexit
    He said this morning: 'That implies that you are a Remain party. The Labour Party is not a Remain party'
    Mr Gardiner's comments upset remainer Labour MPs, who fear some could quit party in protest if true
    Earlier in the day Theresa May said she would quit as Prime Minister once her Brexit deal is delivered
    But dashing the PMs hopes shortly after the DUP confirmed they are still unable to back Mrs May's deal











    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6855167/Labour-not-Remain-party-Senior-Corbyn-ally-sparks-party-chaos.html
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