Brexit: Second referendum blocked by just a handful of Labour MPs MPs were given the chance to vote on eight options - but chose none of them
People's Vote campaigners were left furious tonight after it emerged a second referendum would have got a majority if Labour MPs hadn't voted against it. The Indicative Vote motion on a second referendum was just 27 votes short of a majority - exactly the same number as Labour MPs who voted against it.
Brexit news - live: Second referendum vote 'could carry easily' if Labour MPs unite behind it, after night of farce in parliament Proposal for second referendum on any Brexit deal defeated by 27 votes as MPs reject eight alternatives
Theresa May's government is struggling to rescue her Brexit deal after MPs rejected eight alternative options in Commons votes. Prominent Brexiteers including Boris Johnson signalled they would back the withdrawal agreement after the prime minister promised to resign before the next stage of negotiations with Brussels.
But her desperate bid to salvage the deal looked to be in tatters after failing to win over the DUP and some Conservative backbenchers.
Proposals for a second referendum on any Brexit deal won 268 votes and a customs union plan won 264, but both were defeated, by 27 and eight votes respectively. Twenty-seven Labour MPs voted against a second referendum, setting the stage for a row within the party.
Brexit news - live: Second referendum vote 'could carry easily' if Labour MPs unite behind it, after night of farce in parliament Proposal for second referendum on any Brexit deal defeated by 27 votes as MPs reject eight alternatives
Theresa May's government is struggling to rescue her Brexit deal after MPs rejected eight alternative options in Commons votes. Prominent Brexiteers including Boris Johnson signalled they would back the withdrawal agreement after the prime minister promised to resign before the next stage of negotiations with Brussels.
But her desperate bid to salvage the deal looked to be in tatters after failing to win over the DUP and some Conservative backbenchers.
Proposals for a second referendum on any Brexit deal won 268 votes and a customs union plan won 264, but both were defeated, by 27 and eight votes respectively. Twenty-seven Labour MPs voted against a second referendum, setting the stage for a row within the party.
So...after all this..its not about party politics..it's about what's best for the country (NOT!) Its still JRMogg btw....so superior to the rest of us, he doesn't even have to fully open his eyes to converse with the lower classes
I’m currently having a debate on a thread about a march to Leave the EU. I asked a person why they wanted to leave, he said ( I quote) “ TBH it’s the immigration mate- there’s too many barbers and takeaways in our town, we don’t need that many!” Another person said she works in the NHS and agrees it depends on immigrants but can’t stand the fact the EU tells us what to do, she voted to Leave. Of course this is a small sample , and not every Leave voter based their votes like this... but... come on..
It’s sorely tempting to say, b...gger it just leave now with or without a deal ,and see how we get on.
I’m currently having a debate on a thread about a march to Leave the EU. I asked a person why they wanted to leave, he said ( I quote) “ TBH it’s the immigration mate- there’s too many barbers and takeaways in our town, we don’t need that many!” Another person said she works in the NHS and agrees it depends on immigrants but can’t stand the fact the EU tells us what to do, she voted to Leave. Of course this is a small sample , and not every Leave voter based their votes like this... but... come on..
It’s sorely tempting to say, b...gger it just leave now with or without a deal ,and see how we get on.
In reality its not so much that the EU tells us what to do. As with any club there are membership rules. We helped formulate these rules. The problem is that when you ask leavers to expand on their rhetoric they cant. The last bloke on this thread complaining about being governed by EU laws disappeared when I asked which laws he would like to get rid of after we leave.
I’m currently having a debate on a thread about a march to Leave the EU. I asked a person why they wanted to leave, he said ( I quote) “ TBH it’s the immigration mate- there’s too many barbers and takeaways in our town, we don’t need that many!” Another person said she works in the NHS and agrees it depends on immigrants but can’t stand the fact the EU tells us what to do, she voted to Leave. Of course this is a small sample , and not every Leave voter based their votes like this... but... come on..
It’s sorely tempting to say, b...gger it just leave now with or without a deal ,and see how we get on.
In reality its not so much that the EU tells us what to do. As with any club there are membership rules. We helped formulate these rules. The problem is that when you ask leavers to expand on their rhetoric they cant. The last bloke on this thread complaining about being governed by EU laws disappeared when I asked which laws he would like to get rid of after we leave.
This seems to be a common theme.
I did mention about it being a club with certain rules Tony, but I’m afraid the conversation didn’t progress beyond Leave means Leave in some quarters.
I’m trying to ask reasonably, it often descends into name calling, I’m really worried about the future of our nation when we Leave, cos it doesn’t end there and the divisions will still exist.
New Tory leader? Will they be one who carries on the divisive rhetoric or one who brings their party together and the Nation as a whole..
These little diatribes about democracy are all very well and good . Can't help but wonder , if the result had gone the other way and leave wanted a 2nd ref , how many remoaners would be spouting that it's undemocratic and the nation has already had its say . We already know the answer to that .
These little diatribes about democracy are all very well and good . Can't help but wonder , if the result had gone the other way and leave wanted a 2nd ref , how many remoaners would be spouting that it's undemocratic and the nation has already had its say . We already know the answer to that .
These little diatribes about democracy are all very well and good . Can't help but wonder , if the result had gone the other way and leave wanted a 2nd ref , how many remoaners would be spouting that it's undemocratic and the nation has already had its say . We already know the answer to that .
I’m currently having a debate on a thread about a march to Leave the EU. I asked a person why they wanted to leave, he said ( I quote) “ TBH it’s the immigration mate- there’s too many barbers and takeaways in our town, we don’t need that many!” Another person said she works in the NHS and agrees it depends on immigrants but can’t stand the fact the EU tells us what to do, she voted to Leave. Of course this is a small sample , and not every Leave voter based their votes like this... but... come on..
It’s sorely tempting to say, b...gger it just leave now with or without a deal ,and see how we get on.
In reality its not so much that the EU tells us what to do. As with any club there are membership rules. We helped formulate these rules. The problem is that when you ask leavers to expand on their rhetoric they cant. The last bloke on this thread complaining about being governed by EU laws disappeared when I asked which laws he would like to get rid of after we leave.
This seems to be a common theme.
I did mention about it being a club with certain rules Tony, but I’m afraid the conversation didn’t progress beyond Leave means Leave in some quarters.
I’m trying to ask reasonably, it often descends into name calling, I’m really worried about the future of our nation when we Leave, cos it doesn’t end there and the divisions will still exist.
New Tory leader? Will they be one who carries on the divisive rhetoric or one who brings their party together and the Nation as a whole..
Assuming the Withdrawal Agreement gets through, as she is not going until it does, I think the only criteria that the majority of the Tories will be concerned about, is which candidate will negotiate the deal that suits them best. There are 20 odd pages of non legally binding text that form a framework for future trade discussions, included in the Withdrawal Agreement. So if you felt inclined you could vote for Boris for next leader, if he promised to rip it up.
These little diatribes about democracy are all very well and good . Can't help but wonder , if the result had gone the other way and leave wanted a 2nd ref , how many remoaners would be spouting that it's undemocratic and the nation has already had its say . We already know the answer to that .
The nation has had its say twice so far, on this subject.
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MPs were given the chance to vote on eight options - but chose none of them
People's Vote campaigners were left furious tonight after it emerged a second referendum would have got a majority if Labour MPs hadn't voted against it.
The Indicative Vote motion on a second referendum was just 27 votes short of a majority - exactly the same number as Labour MPs who voted against it.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-second-referendum-blocked-just-14196259
Proposal for second referendum on any Brexit deal defeated by 27 votes as MPs reject eight alternatives
Theresa May's government is struggling to rescue her Brexit deal after MPs rejected eight alternative options in Commons votes.
Prominent Brexiteers including Boris Johnson signalled they would back the withdrawal agreement after the prime minister promised to resign before the next stage of negotiations with Brussels.
But her desperate bid to salvage the deal looked to be in tatters after failing to win over the DUP and some Conservative backbenchers.
Proposals for a second referendum on any Brexit deal won 268 votes and a customs union plan won 264, but both were defeated, by 27 and eight votes respectively.
Twenty-seven Labour MPs voted against a second referendum, setting the stage for a row within the party.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-theresa-may-deal-second-referendum-labour-eu-a8843131.html
I asked a person why they wanted to leave, he said ( I quote) “ TBH it’s the immigration mate- there’s too many barbers and takeaways in our town, we don’t need that many!”
Another person said she works in the NHS and agrees it depends on immigrants but can’t stand the fact the EU tells us what to do, she voted to Leave.
Of course this is a small sample , and not every Leave voter based their votes like this... but... come on..
It’s sorely tempting to say, b...gger it just leave now with or without a deal ,and see how we get on.
As with any club there are membership rules.
We helped formulate these rules.
The problem is that when you ask leavers to expand on their rhetoric they cant.
The last bloke on this thread complaining about being governed by EU laws disappeared when I asked which laws he would like to get rid of after we leave.
This seems to be a common theme.
I’m trying to ask reasonably, it often descends into name calling, I’m really worried about the future of our nation when we Leave, cos it doesn’t end there and the divisions will still exist.
New Tory leader? Will they be one who carries on the divisive rhetoric or one who brings their party together and the Nation as a whole..
Someone posted this ^ which I thought quite topical
A reply was “ It doesn’t apply to me cos I don’t eat out”
Smh..
Can't help but wonder , if the result had gone the other way and leave wanted a 2nd ref , how many remoaners would be spouting that it's undemocratic and the nation has already had its say .
We already know the answer to that .
There are 20 odd pages of non legally binding text that form a framework for future trade discussions, included in the Withdrawal Agreement.
So if you felt inclined you could vote for Boris for next leader, if he promised to rip it up.
I also don't see any problems with people being allowed to change their minds.
Unless there a significant number that have, we will get the same result.
He has been scathing about it since last Summer.
He has voted against it twice,
It is exactly the same as it was on the other two occasions.
So what has changed.
The man has no principles.
Actually he said he would vote for it as long as the DUP did, and they aren't. So he still wont be voting for it, but I stand by all of the above.
What is best for the country does not figure in his decision making process.
It looks like its coming back tomorrow to be voted on for the third time.
Is that democratic, same deal three times so far?
At least you could argue that the referendum would at least be a different question.