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    dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Remainer said:

    Username selected as I find it tilts opponents :)

    I see where you have cut n pasted that from.
    https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/
    My 'facts' come from the top half of that same article but I've seen it backed up by some guy on twitter too. He listed all 74 laws and analysed then one by one.
    Exact figures are a grey area I agree, but figures still show that the EU is not the controlling beast it is portrayed as in MSM which a vast of people get their opinion from. I'm not suggesting you.

    Personally I'm not happy with a potential 8% drop in GDP (BoE, IMF), companies leaving in droves, less safety, lower food standards, medicine shortages etc resulting from a potential no deal. Also having 2 young kids I want them to have the freedom to work and study in Europe should they wish.
    We had 2 world wars with our neighbours only in the last century and I believe working together as closely as possible with our European neighbours can only be progress, why try to dismantle it? Yes, the EU has it's problems but we are a major player in the EU and can change things, isolating ourselves is a step backwards.
    Just my 2c.

    Ok wheres the evidence for companies leaving in droves as a direct result of Brexit ? Wheres the evidence for less safety being the case as a result of Brexit? Where is the evidence of lower food standards being applicable to Brexit ? Where is the evidence of medicine shortages? , let alone if true as a result of Brexit .
    Wheres the evidence that your 2 kids won't have the freedom to to work and study in Europe post Brexit ?

    All supposition , and zero fact .
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    dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited April 2019
    As far as GDP is concerned seen as @Remainer mentioned it ...here's a site that will give you the stats , as opposed to speculation >>>>

    https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/uk
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    RemainerRemainer Member Posts: 23
    Companies leaving. It can't be a coincidence that Brexit is looming.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

    Medicine shortages
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p075g4j7?fbclid=IwAR3mgVM2k0_CSyjbNGMVXQRx1Z7-hy9QS7shJq4g86foMTT7El51L9_EIds

    You have google, takes minutes to see that No Deal will be a disaster.
    CMI/TUC/NFU have all said it will be a disaster.
    I've yet to see any studies or see any business leaders say otherwise.
    I'll take the analysis and opinion of those people over Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage, Trump and Putin.
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    dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited April 2019
    Remainer said:

    Companies leaving. It can't be a coincidence that Brexit is looming.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

    Medicine shortages
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p075g4j7?fbclid=IwAR3mgVM2k0_CSyjbNGMVXQRx1Z7-hy9QS7shJq4g86foMTT7El51L9_EIds

    You have google, takes minutes to see that No Deal will be a disaster.
    CMI/TUC/NFU have all said it will be a disaster.
    I've yet to see any studies or see any business leaders say otherwise.
    I'll take the analysis and opinion of those people over Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage, Trump and Putin.

    Well done on quoting an article from the independent , who are anything from that these days ...laughable.
    BBC equally questionable at the moment ...

    Do you understand what proof /evidence actually is ?

    SUPPOSITION ! and slanted press reporting.

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    dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Remainer said:

    Companies leaving. It can't be a coincidence that Brexit is looming.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

    Medicine shortages
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p075g4j7?fbclid=IwAR3mgVM2k0_CSyjbNGMVXQRx1Z7-hy9QS7shJq4g86foMTT7El51L9_EIds

    You have google, takes minutes to see that No Deal will be a disaster.
    CMI/TUC/NFU have all said it will be a disaster.
    I've yet to see any studies or see any business leaders say otherwise.
    I'll take the analysis and opinion of those people over Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage, Trump and Putin.

    Couldn't let this one go either , perhaps you could explain to everyone what Putin and Trump have got to do with Brexit ? ....it gets better by the minute !
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    dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Remainer said:

    Companies leaving. It can't be a coincidence that Brexit is looming.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

    Medicine shortages
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p075g4j7?fbclid=IwAR3mgVM2k0_CSyjbNGMVXQRx1Z7-hy9QS7shJq4g86foMTT7El51L9_EIds

    You have google, takes minutes to see that No Deal will be a disaster.
    CMI/TUC/NFU have all said it will be a disaster.
    I've yet to see any studies or see any business leaders say otherwise.
    I'll take the analysis and opinion of those people over Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage, Trump and Putin.

    While we are at it ...who's saying no deal is a nailed on event ?
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,377






    Bolded parts addressed in order :

    Yes many people do threaten to shoot other people , these are in the main very stupid and immature individuals , who haven't actually taken the time to realise what they are saying is incredibly dumb . These are from the same family of people who make jokes about their luggage having a bomb in it at airports.


    A ridiculously speculative assumption, unless you have some specialist knowledge of these individuals.

    I will try to put this in perspective one last time. You said someone was threatening to shoot a politician. I casually replied that I would like to shoot a few. This comment was made in jest, as I suspect was the original comment. Now you suspect that I am a member of Al Qaeda, or a serial killer. This is absolutely pathetic, don't be so ridiculous.

    On to the woman , who started the waste of time petition : It was Mumsie on the petition thread who first mentioned about her social media activity , and on further delving , it was apparent , Snow white she isn't. If you are going to put yourself up as being a saintly figure who's aim is to save the country from the plights of Brexit , then don't say something as stupid as you would like to shoot the prime minister . The moral high ground is totally lost .


    I stated previously that I have absolutely no interest in the woman who started the petition, but it just doesn't seem to be sinking in.

    I do not wish to set myself up as a saintly figure, and have no interest in the moral high ground.

    It would appear that her threat to shoot the PM has been delayed, or was not a serious threat, as most people will suspect. I am not interested either way.



    As far as her conveniently saying she had been hacked upon being found out , and alleging she had received death threats ...I'm not buying it , simple as .
    As far as your incredibly misguided comments on that thread , and noone else having any problems with it ..well no great surprise there when you see how many people are interested enough in the propaganda to actually post . Although that said , dragon1964 did say this on the thread , which I totally concur with : " Posting about shooting politicians, metaphorically or otherwise, is in very poor taste and does nothing to help your argument on this subject.


    I don't care whether she was hacked or not, and you cant prove it either way. Nor do I have an interest in the reality of her death threats.

    You are in no position to criticise my posts on this thread.



    Has the murder of Jo Cox been forgotten so quickly."

    To bring this up is sick, and gives away the type of person you are. To compare a flippant remark with a premeditated stabbing to death of a politician is just sick, and pathetic.


    As far as my contribution to this thread is concerned ...far too easy to sit back smugly and accuse me of just wanting an argument , when the reality is a) you can't argue with yourself and b) Who the **** do you think you are to be so arrogant as to think your viewpoint is the only one that counts ? .


    I am in no way under the impression that that my viewpoint is the only one that counts. I often disagree with EssexPhil, but these disagreements are courteous, and polite. Something that is beyond you. I haven't been on here much today, but at first glance I would think that Tikays post was intended to offer some encouragement to a new poster that you have treated in your usual way.
    In addition you don't seem to have a viewpoint. You just like a pantomime. Oh yes he did, oh no he didn't, hes behind you.

    Regarding my contribution to other threads , If i see something that interests me , I will post on it . Despite the occasional village idiot suggesting otherwise , if i disagree with something that is said , then it is because I disagree with it and not because I automatically wish to take the opposite default stance .


    Youre not arrogant, but other posters are village idiots. You cause rows on a regular basis. It obviously hasn't crossed your mind that others may think that you are a village idiot.




    I've debated your " ifs and buts" many times on here , and you have a standard blinkered response . If someone was to take out all of the news articles that you had posted on this thread ( articles with a heavy remain slant and based on supposition and general mud slinging) , then out of all your long winded rhetoric , there would probably be less than 5% fact .


    Exploring ifs and buts is debating. What will happen post Brexit is speculation unless you have a crystal ball. I would like to see the research which has allowed you to calculate the 5% fact, but its just more nonsense.



    I think that those that took part in the referendum will have made their minds up to vote one way or the other. I voted remain as you know. You didn't bother voting. You are accusing me of posting remain biased articles, like it is a criminal offence. Are you saying that I should change my views on a daily or weekly basis, and suddenly argue in favour of leaving occasionally, because that is ridiculous.

    The JRM non story isn't something I intend going over and over with you on . I have already stated , that you can reference something from an individual /group without that meaning you are a fully signed up member to their ideology. Should he have thought better of publicly tweeting it , especially in the light of the fact that the press are out to discredit him at every opportunity , obv yes .


    He is an MP and has no reason to be retweeting anything from the AFD, Donald Trump was battered for a similar offence. He should know better.

    Happy Friday.















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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,377

    Remainer said:

    Username selected as I find it tilts opponents :)

    I see where you have cut n pasted that from.
    https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/
    My 'facts' come from the top half of that same article but I've seen it backed up by some guy on twitter too. He listed all 74 laws and analysed then one by one.
    Exact figures are a grey area I agree, but figures still show that the EU is not the controlling beast it is portrayed as in MSM which a vast of people get their opinion from. I'm not suggesting you.

    Personally I'm not happy with a potential 8% drop in GDP (BoE, IMF), companies leaving in droves, less safety, lower food standards, medicine shortages etc resulting from a potential no deal. Also having 2 young kids I want them to have the freedom to work and study in Europe should they wish.
    We had 2 world wars with our neighbours only in the last century and I believe working together as closely as possible with our European neighbours can only be progress, why try to dismantle it? Yes, the EU has it's problems but we are a major player in the EU and can change things, isolating ourselves is a step backwards.
    Just my 2c.

    Ok wheres the evidence for companies leaving in droves as a direct result of Brexit ? Wheres the evidence for less safety being the case as a result of Brexit? Where is the evidence of lower food standards being applicable to Brexit ? Where is the evidence of medicine shortages? , let alone if true as a result of Brexit .
    Wheres the evidence that your 2 kids won't have the freedom to to work and study in Europe post Brexit ?

    All supposition , and zero fact .
    There is evidence of companies leaving in droves in the press every day.
    Theresa May has commentated on us being less safe many times.
    Lower food standards come into play with a US trade deal.
    Newsnight have been reporting on the medicine shortages for the last 2 weeks.
    Do you have any knowledge of Freedom of Movement?
    You just don't seem to know very much.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,377

    Remainer said:

    Companies leaving. It can't be a coincidence that Brexit is looming.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

    Medicine shortages
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p075g4j7?fbclid=IwAR3mgVM2k0_CSyjbNGMVXQRx1Z7-hy9QS7shJq4g86foMTT7El51L9_EIds

    You have google, takes minutes to see that No Deal will be a disaster.
    CMI/TUC/NFU have all said it will be a disaster.
    I've yet to see any studies or see any business leaders say otherwise.
    I'll take the analysis and opinion of those people over Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage, Trump and Putin.

    While we are at it ...who's saying no deal is a nailed on event ?
    No deal wont happen
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,377
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,377

    Remainer said:

    Companies leaving. It can't be a coincidence that Brexit is looming.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

    Medicine shortages
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p075g4j7?fbclid=IwAR3mgVM2k0_CSyjbNGMVXQRx1Z7-hy9QS7shJq4g86foMTT7El51L9_EIds

    You have google, takes minutes to see that No Deal will be a disaster.
    CMI/TUC/NFU have all said it will be a disaster.
    I've yet to see any studies or see any business leaders say otherwise.
    I'll take the analysis and opinion of those people over Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage, Trump and Putin.

    Well done on quoting an article from the independent , who are anything from that these days ...laughable.
    BBC equally questionable at the moment ...

    Do you understand what proof /evidence actually is ?

    SUPPOSITION ! and slanted press reporting.

    Brexit: 'Spike' in NHS drug shortages – BBC Newsnight

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BImDZMXUkiU

    Brexit: Some drugs 'cannot be stockpiled' for no-deal - BBC Newsnight

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqnUpi8dFcc
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    dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    Remainer said:

    Username selected as I find it tilts opponents :)

    I see where you have cut n pasted that from.
    https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/
    My 'facts' come from the top half of that same article but I've seen it backed up by some guy on twitter too. He listed all 74 laws and analysed then one by one.
    Exact figures are a grey area I agree, but figures still show that the EU is not the controlling beast it is portrayed as in MSM which a vast of people get their opinion from. I'm not suggesting you.

    Personally I'm not happy with a potential 8% drop in GDP (BoE, IMF), companies leaving in droves, less safety, lower food standards, medicine shortages etc resulting from a potential no deal. Also having 2 young kids I want them to have the freedom to work and study in Europe should they wish.
    We had 2 world wars with our neighbours only in the last century and I believe working together as closely as possible with our European neighbours can only be progress, why try to dismantle it? Yes, the EU has it's problems but we are a major player in the EU and can change things, isolating ourselves is a step backwards.
    Just my 2c.

    Ok wheres the evidence for companies leaving in droves as a direct result of Brexit ? Wheres the evidence for less safety being the case as a result of Brexit? Where is the evidence of lower food standards being applicable to Brexit ? Where is the evidence of medicine shortages? , let alone if true as a result of Brexit .
    Wheres the evidence that your 2 kids won't have the freedom to to work and study in Europe post Brexit ?

    All supposition , and zero fact .
    There is evidence of companies leaving in droves in the press every day.
    Theresa May has commentated on us being less safe many times.
    Lower food standards come into play with a US trade deal.
    Newsnight have been reporting on the medicine shortages for the last 2 weeks.
    Do you have any knowledge of Freedom of Movement?
    You just don't seem to know very much.
    And there were companies leaving long before Brexit ...once again just because the press say something , doesn't mean it's true ...the link of this to Brexit , is in the least tenuous .
    If Theresa may has said it , it must be true , once again , noone can say with fact , how things will be post brexit , so more speculation that remainers love to jump on
    Lower food standards come into play with a US trade deal ...really ? provide evidence to support this .
    The BBC have reported lots of things , not all of them are true .
    Do you ?
    And nor do you , just full of non facts ...when challenged to back up these outlandish claims all you can do is quote media articles ...its really quite laughable . And you maintain you want a debate ? :D
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    dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    Remainer said:

    Companies leaving. It can't be a coincidence that Brexit is looming.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

    Medicine shortages
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p075g4j7?fbclid=IwAR3mgVM2k0_CSyjbNGMVXQRx1Z7-hy9QS7shJq4g86foMTT7El51L9_EIds

    You have google, takes minutes to see that No Deal will be a disaster.
    CMI/TUC/NFU have all said it will be a disaster.
    I've yet to see any studies or see any business leaders say otherwise.
    I'll take the analysis and opinion of those people over Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage, Trump and Putin.

    While we are at it ...who's saying no deal is a nailed on event ?
    No deal wont happen
    Got a crystal ball have you ? ...I'm inclined to agree , but your new ally seems to think it will , see his previous posts
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,377

    As far as GDP is concerned seen as @Remainer mentioned it ...here's a site that will give you the stats , as opposed to speculation >>>>

    https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/uk

    How can they have stats for the future?
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,377

    Remainer said:

    I don't get where this 'kowtowing to EU demands' comes from (other than from The Sun & Daily Mail lies of course). Of the 4000+ rules that have come out of the EU the UK voted no to 2% of them! Oh no, we only have 98% control! (for the huge amount of benefits we get)

    Patronising sun and daily mail comment ..but to be expected from someone with such a username ....lets get some facts here :neutral:

    Votes are only the tip of the iceberg

    First, EU laws pass through several stages of negotiations in the Council and the European Parliament.

    So the UK government’s ability to influence policies doesn’t only occur through voting—which is a ‘Yes’ or a ‘No’ situation—but also in negotiations over the actual text of a draft law.

    Many accounts have shown that the UK diplomatic service has—at least historically—been very skilled in such negotiations over important laws.

    Second, the records only relate to votes on proposed laws that eventually pass.

    So we simply do not know how often the UK successfully opposed proposals, or failed to get things it wanted, as these are not mentioned in the official figures.

    The UK has been in a losing minority more often over the past few years

    In recent years the UK has been more often on the losing side of these votes.

    Research by Dr Hagemann and Professor Hix shows that between 2009 and 2015 the UK voted against the majority 12.3% of the time, compared to 2.6% of the time between 2004 and 2009.

    More where that come from , if you would like , and guess what not from the sun or Daily mail !
    What would be your top ten laws you would repeal as soon as we leave?
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    dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793

    I'm going to take one part at a time on your response to my comments earlier , as you are obv incapable of quoting correctly :

    Has the murder of Jo Cox been forgotten so quickly."

    To bring this up is sick, and gives away the type of person you are. To compare a flippant remark with a premeditated stabbing to death of a politician is just sick, and pathetic.


    Far from it , if you think that it's clever , or flippant to " joke" about shooting politicians
    then you are lacking something in the brain dept .
    The only sick thing in this equation are your misguided , immature comments ...and NOONE in their right minds would think it's remotely funny to joke about shooting someone . You are old enough to know better and should be apologising for that nonsense and deleting it , if you had any sense of decency ....I won't hold my breath !
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    dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    |Another point dealt with >>>
    "Youre not arrogant, but other posters are village idiots. You cause rows on a regular basis. It obviously hasn't crossed your mind that others may think that you are a village idiot."

    I could care less what anyone thinks of me , certainly not you or your small band of smug supporters . I will continue to say what I think and argue against what I believe is incorrect , you can continue being a sheep .
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    RemainerRemainer Member Posts: 23

    Remainer said:

    Companies leaving. It can't be a coincidence that Brexit is looming.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

    Medicine shortages
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p075g4j7?fbclid=IwAR3mgVM2k0_CSyjbNGMVXQRx1Z7-hy9QS7shJq4g86foMTT7El51L9_EIds

    You have google, takes minutes to see that No Deal will be a disaster.
    CMI/TUC/NFU have all said it will be a disaster.
    I've yet to see any studies or see any business leaders say otherwise.
    I'll take the analysis and opinion of those people over Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage, Trump and Putin.

    Couldn't let this one go either , perhaps you could explain to everyone what Putin and Trump have got to do with Brexit ? ....it gets better by the minute !
    Both Trump and Putin have both said Brexit is good thing because they know it will weaken both the UK and EUs position in the world. With both China and India emerging as strong economies on the world stage, if we leave we will be a minor player in the future. Best stay in and be an influencer in the biggest union in world?

    Oh and I do understand data. Having a PhD in science does have its uses.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,377

    HAYSIE said:

    Remainer said:

    Username selected as I find it tilts opponents :)

    I see where you have cut n pasted that from.
    https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/
    My 'facts' come from the top half of that same article but I've seen it backed up by some guy on twitter too. He listed all 74 laws and analysed then one by one.
    Exact figures are a grey area I agree, but figures still show that the EU is not the controlling beast it is portrayed as in MSM which a vast of people get their opinion from. I'm not suggesting you.

    Personally I'm not happy with a potential 8% drop in GDP (BoE, IMF), companies leaving in droves, less safety, lower food standards, medicine shortages etc resulting from a potential no deal. Also having 2 young kids I want them to have the freedom to work and study in Europe should they wish.
    We had 2 world wars with our neighbours only in the last century and I believe working together as closely as possible with our European neighbours can only be progress, why try to dismantle it? Yes, the EU has it's problems but we are a major player in the EU and can change things, isolating ourselves is a step backwards.
    Just my 2c.

    Ok wheres the evidence for companies leaving in droves as a direct result of Brexit ? Wheres the evidence for less safety being the case as a result of Brexit? Where is the evidence of lower food standards being applicable to Brexit ? Where is the evidence of medicine shortages? , let alone if true as a result of Brexit .
    Wheres the evidence that your 2 kids won't have the freedom to to work and study in Europe post Brexit ?

    All supposition , and zero fact .
    There is evidence of companies leaving in droves in the press every day.
    Theresa May has commentated on us being less safe many times.
    Lower food standards come into play with a US trade deal.
    Newsnight have been reporting on the medicine shortages for the last 2 weeks.
    Do you have any knowledge of Freedom of Movement?
    You just don't seem to know very much.
    And there were companies leaving long before Brexit ...once again just because the press say something , doesn't mean it's true ...the link of this to Brexit , is in the least tenuous .
    If Theresa may has said it , it must be true , once again , noone can say with fact , how things will be post brexit , so more speculation that remainers love to jump on
    Lower food standards come into play with a US trade deal ...really ? provide evidence to support this .
    The BBC have reported lots of things , not all of them are true .
    Do you ?
    And nor do you , just full of non facts ...when challenged to back up these outlandish claims all you can do is quote media articles ...its really quite laughable . And you maintain you want a debate ? :D

    Is that really the best you can do?




    Theresa May warns EU leaders about blocking post-Brexit security cooperation
    The PM urges EU leaders to consider citizens' safety amid a Brexit deadlock - but she comes under pressure to firm up her plans.

    https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-tells-eu-leaders-uk-is-ready-for-brexit-talks-to-ramp-up-11420507


    UK will be forced to accept US food standards in a Brexit trade deal with Trump, warns former trade chief

    https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-will-accept-us-food-standards-in-post-brexit-trade-deal-with-trump-sir-martin-donnelly-2019-3?r=US&IR=T


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    Drug shortages cost NHS £38m as patients struggle | News ...
    www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drug-shortages-cost...
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    inews.co.uk/news/drugs-shortage-uk-brexit-list
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    Supply chain and shortages : PSNC Main site
    psnc.org.uk/dispensing-supply/supply-chain
    NHS– shortages can be very costly to the NHS. As well as the increased costs of sourcing alternatives, the unavailability of a key medicine or decreasing a patient’s compliance with their medication regimen can lead to the exacerbation of a patient’s medical condition, increasing hospital admissions and treatment costs. Evidence from the US also suggests that there is an increased risk ...
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    www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drug-shortage-could...
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    NHS medicine shortage: what medicines are affected? | The Week UK
    www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/99058/pharmacists-warn...
    The list features drugs for which the Department of Health has agreed to pay over the odds in order to prevent shortages. Ash Soni, president of the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, gave the example ...
    Medicines Management - Shropshire CCG
    www.shropshireccg.nhs.uk/professional-resources/...
    If you are trying to find specific information that was previously available on our old website, or if you would like more information on how the Medicines Management Team can help you, please contact SHRCCG.ShropshireCCG@nhs.net.
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    www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/car...
    Under-pressure staff at Scotland’s State Hospital have complained of being forced to close wards and drug patients in a bid to keep them quiet.
    Branded medicine shortages : PSNC Main site
    psnc.org.uk/.../supply-chain/branded-shortages
    On the publication of this report on medicines shortages from the All-Party Pharmacy Group, Sue Sharpe, Chief Executive of PSNC said: “Too often pharmacists have to really struggle to source medicines for their patients which should be readily available.

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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,377
    Remainer said:

    Remainer said:

    Companies leaving. It can't be a coincidence that Brexit is looming.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

    Medicine shortages
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p075g4j7?fbclid=IwAR3mgVM2k0_CSyjbNGMVXQRx1Z7-hy9QS7shJq4g86foMTT7El51L9_EIds

    You have google, takes minutes to see that No Deal will be a disaster.
    CMI/TUC/NFU have all said it will be a disaster.
    I've yet to see any studies or see any business leaders say otherwise.
    I'll take the analysis and opinion of those people over Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage, Trump and Putin.

    Couldn't let this one go either , perhaps you could explain to everyone what Putin and Trump have got to do with Brexit ? ....it gets better by the minute !
    Both Trump and Putin have both said Brexit is good thing because they know it will weaken both the UK and EUs position in the world. With both China and India emerging as strong economies on the world stage, if we leave we will be a minor player in the future. Best stay in and be an influencer in the biggest union in world?

    Oh and I do understand data. Having a PhD in science does have its uses.
    Good point.
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