Yeah and if people disagree with the result then they can campaign to disregard it, ignore it completely or simply berate those who voted the other way as ignorant arrogant thoughtless pokerist morons. Yes ?? is that right ?? After all that's what happened last time there was a referendum result that some didn't like.
Yours in whatever
Mark.
I think that all the indications since the referendum would support everything you have said about the leave voters.
1 Get out of the Customs Union, but invent something that is as close to it as possible 2 Get out of the single market, but get a deal that gives us all the single market benefits. 3 Pay nothing at all into the EU budget, and have no input. 4 Invent new border controls which may cost twice as much as we currently pay to be EU members. 5 Stop free movement, but increase immigration from outside the EU.
So in a nutshell we want the EU to treat us as though we were still members, have no say in the way it is run, and pay twice as much.
Who thought of that plan?
So the UK was in with a load of opt-outs, but now it wants to be out with a load of opt-ins! You couldn't make it up.
1 Get out of the Customs Union, but invent something that is as close to it as possible 2 Get out of the single market, but get a deal that gives us all the single market benefits. 3 Pay nothing at all into the EU budget, and have no input. 4 Invent new border controls which may cost twice as much as we currently pay to be EU members. 5 Stop free movement, but increase immigration from outside the EU.
So in a nutshell we want the EU to treat us as though we were still members, have no say in the way it is run, and pay twice as much.
Who thought of that plan?
So the UK was in with a load of opt-outs, but now it wants to be out with a load of opt-ins! You couldn't make it up.
Did anyone think at the time of the referendum that the Prime Minister could spend 2 years telling us what she doesn't want out of Brexit, but not give us a clue of what she does want?
» show previous quotes Yeah and if people disagree with the result then they can campaign to disregard it, ignore it completely or simply berate those who voted the other way as ignorant arrogant thoughtless pokerist morons. Yes ?? is that right ?? After all that's what happened last time there was a referendum result that some didn't like.
Not all the people that voted for Brexit are racist, but all the people that are racist obviously did.
Did anyone think at the time of the referendum that the Prime Minister could spend 2 years telling us what she doesn't want out of Brexit, but not give us a clue of what she does want?
Since the Brexit referendum in the UK the opinion in all EU countries has become more pro-EU. Non of that Russian #false facts here please.
Even if there was the slightest glimmer of truth in this story, they will only have to see what happens to us, to completely change their minds.
Not sure that is true.
It is politicians who decide whether the people are allowed to vote on something. Look at our last (not only) referendum on this issue (the people "spoke" in the 1970s, but that apparently doesn't count)-both sides failed to give us any of the true facts, and there was no informed decision.
Now let's return to UK politicians (or any other EU country). As a Government, would you rather be answerable in various respects to your peers in similar countries, or absolutely nobody? Think you'll find that UK politicians have got "their" country back
Of course we will be worse off outside than in. Otherwise the EU club wouldn't exist. That said, it won't be the end of the world. We are a proud island. We are used to Continental Europe thinking of us as arrogant, and slightly mad. And we are. That said, I am still proud to be British, for all our faults. We do tend to do things the hard way. But we still succeed, despite this.
Let's not forget it was David Cameron who put the referendum in his party's manifesto so they could stay in power, it worked, it finished his political career when the results came in. For such a small country there are some great minds we are leaders in major achievements such as inventions, all things medical and we will come out the other side better and stronger it's just gonna take time
Let's not forget it was David Cameron who put the referendum in his party's manifesto so they could stay in power, it worked, it finished his political career when the results came in. For such a small country there are some great minds we are leaders in major achievements such as inventions, all things medical and we will come out the other side better and stronger it's just gonna take time
I think that the promise of the referendum that David Cameron made was to satisfy elements of the Conservative Party, and nothing to do with what is best for the country. The Conservative leadership never thought in a million years that they would lose. Even Nigel Farage was saying two days before the vote that the leave vote fully expected to lose, and that there would have to be another referendum. I think that the vision of us being better and stronger after leaving is a fantasy. The EU cant give us the same deal as non members as we currently have as members. That must make us poorer. Whatever deal we are able to get, we will not be members and have no say in how things are run. HMRC have said that it will cost around £20billion per year in running costs. This is close to double what we currently pay to be members. So we may pay double the money for less trade, that seems sensible. In addition the Eu has 67 trade deals with other countries, and are in the process of negotiating many more. We will have to redo these deals, just to stand still. The EU has a population of 500 million people, so will these other countries give the same deal to a small country on our own? Tesco and Waitrose again. Will the EU allow it? We already do 20% of our trade with the USA, without a free trade deal. We currently trade with China, and many other countries, again without free trade deals. Germany currently do six times the trade that we do with China, whilst members of the EU. Maybe we should just become more professional in trading with other countries, and not make the excuse about free trade deals. A report came out this week from the CBI, regarding the extinction of the UK car industry assuming we leave the Customs Union. Every financial projection that has been produced since the referendum forecasts that we will be worse off, the only difference being the scale of how much worse off. The £ has dipped since the referendum. The brexiteers just say that's great for exports. Not so great for importers, Poundland will lay off over 5,000 people mainly because their imports have become more expensive. It is very easy to say that we will emerge better and stronger, but very difficult to substantiate this, maybe you could enlighten us.
Did anyone think at the time of the referendum that the Prime Minister could spend 2 years telling us what she doesn't want out of Brexit, but not give us a clue of what she does want?
Since the Brexit referendum in the UK the opinion in all EU countries has become more pro-EU. Non of that Russian #false facts here please.
Even if there was the slightest glimmer of truth in this story, they will only have to see what happens to us, to completely change their minds.
Not sure that is true.
It is politicians who decide whether the people are allowed to vote on something. Look at our last (not only) referendum on this issue (the people "spoke" in the 1970s, but that apparently doesn't count)-both sides failed to give us any of the true facts, and there was no informed decision.
Now let's return to UK politicians (or any other EU country). As a Government, would you rather be answerable in various respects to your peers in similar countries, or absolutely nobody? Think you'll find that UK politicians have got "their" country back
Of course we will be worse off outside than in. Otherwise the EU club wouldn't exist. That said, it won't be the end of the world. We are a proud island. We are used to Continental Europe thinking of us as arrogant, and slightly mad. And we are. That said, I am still proud to be British, for all our faults. We do tend to do things the hard way. But we still succeed, despite this.
Firstly, a Russian news channel, is not the first place I would be looking for any truth.
Secondly, all the experts are expecting us to be worse off immediately after leaving. You are agreeing with them.
So any country that might see how much worse off we are, may quite possibly change their minds.
Let's not forget it was David Cameron who put the referendum in his party's manifesto so they could stay in power, it worked, it finished his political career when the results came in. For such a small country there are some great minds we are leaders in major achievements such as inventions, all things medical and we will come out the other side better and stronger it's just gonna take time
I think that the promise of the referendum that David Cameron made was to satisfy elements of the Conservative Party, and nothing to do with what is best for the country. The Conservative leadership never thought in a million years that they would lose. Even Nigel Farage was saying two days before the vote that the leave vote fully expected to lose, and that there would have to be another referendum. I think that the vision of us being better and stronger after leaving is a fantasy. The EU cant give us the same deal as non members as we currently have as members. That must make us poorer. Whatever deal we are able to get, we will not be members and have no say in how things are run. HMRC have said that it will cost around £20billion per year in running costs. This is close to double what we currently pay to be members. So we may pay double the money for less trade, that seems sensible. In addition the Eu has 67 trade deals with other countries, and are in the process of negotiating many more. We will have to redo these deals, just to stand still. The EU has a population of 500 million people, so will these other countries give the same deal to a small country on our own? Tesco and Waitrose again. Will the EU allow it? We already do 20% of our trade with the USA, without a free trade deal. We currently trade with China, and many other countries, again without free trade deals. Germany currently do six times the trade that we do with China, whilst members of the EU. Maybe we should just become more professional in trading with other countries, and not make the excuse about free trade deals. A report came out this week from the CBI, regarding the extinction of the UK car industry assuming we leave the Customs Union. Every financial projection that has been produced since the referendum forecasts that we will be worse off, the only difference being the scale of how much worse off. The £ has dipped since the referendum. The brexiteers just say that's great for exports. Not so great for importers, Poundland will lay off over 5,000 people mainly because their imports have become more expensive. It is very easy to say that we will emerge better and stronger, but very difficult to substantiate this, maybe you could enlighten us.
then why give the population the vote ? we,ve all seen how the country was post credit crunch , folks were titsed off , he took a massive risk and it backfired how can i enlighten you i,m not a politition (sp) , we were strong before we went into the EU and its in my opinion we will be strong again..and i know opinions are like arseeholes
Let's not forget it was David Cameron who put the referendum in his party's manifesto so they could stay in power, it worked, it finished his political career when the results came in. For such a small country there are some great minds we are leaders in major achievements such as inventions, all things medical and we will come out the other side better and stronger it's just gonna take time
I think that the promise of the referendum that David Cameron made was to satisfy elements of the Conservative Party, and nothing to do with what is best for the country. The Conservative leadership never thought in a million years that they would lose. Even Nigel Farage was saying two days before the vote that the leave vote fully expected to lose, and that there would have to be another referendum. I think that the vision of us being better and stronger after leaving is a fantasy. The EU cant give us the same deal as non members as we currently have as members. That must make us poorer. Whatever deal we are able to get, we will not be members and have no say in how things are run. HMRC have said that it will cost around £20billion per year in running costs. This is close to double what we currently pay to be members. So we may pay double the money for less trade, that seems sensible. In addition the Eu has 67 trade deals with other countries, and are in the process of negotiating many more. We will have to redo these deals, just to stand still. The EU has a population of 500 million people, so will these other countries give the same deal to a small country on our own? Tesco and Waitrose again. Will the EU allow it? We already do 20% of our trade with the USA, without a free trade deal. We currently trade with China, and many other countries, again without free trade deals. Germany currently do six times the trade that we do with China, whilst members of the EU. Maybe we should just become more professional in trading with other countries, and not make the excuse about free trade deals. A report came out this week from the CBI, regarding the extinction of the UK car industry assuming we leave the Customs Union. Every financial projection that has been produced since the referendum forecasts that we will be worse off, the only difference being the scale of how much worse off. The £ has dipped since the referendum. The brexiteers just say that's great for exports. Not so great for importers, Poundland will lay off over 5,000 people mainly because their imports have become more expensive. It is very easy to say that we will emerge better and stronger, but very difficult to substantiate this, maybe you could enlighten us.
then why give the population the vote ? we,ve all seen how the country was post credit crunch , folks were titsed off , he took a massive risk and it backfired how can i enlighten you i,m not a politition (sp) , we were strong before we went into the EU and its in my opinion we will be strong again..and i know opinions are like arseeholes
Giving the population the vote was probably a mistake. On Love Island they were debating whether Brexit would mean we would have no trees, and some didn't know what Brexit was. Many people were browned off about our Governments austerity programme, the launch of Universal Credit, and a number of other things that were not caused by us being members of the EU. We joined the EU 45 years ago, when it was a different world. We didn't join to be poorer, or weaker. Not many people can remember what life was like before we became members. A friend of mine said exactly what you said the other day, we were strong before we went in. He is 55 and was in primary school when we went in.
You said we will come out better and stronger. I just wondered why you would say that.
Would any business owner voluntarily choose to reduce their turnover, reduce their profits, lay off some workers, and double their running costs. They would probably be committed if they did.
Let's not forget it was David Cameron who put the referendum in his party's manifesto so they could stay in power, it worked, it finished his political career when the results came in. For such a small country there are some great minds we are leaders in major achievements such as inventions, all things medical and we will come out the other side better and stronger it's just gonna take time
I think that the promise of the referendum that David Cameron made was to satisfy elements of the Conservative Party, and nothing to do with what is best for the country. The Conservative leadership never thought in a million years that they would lose. Even Nigel Farage was saying two days before the vote that the leave vote fully expected to lose, and that there would have to be another referendum. I think that the vision of us being better and stronger after leaving is a fantasy. The EU cant give us the same deal as non members as we currently have as members. That must make us poorer. Whatever deal we are able to get, we will not be members and have no say in how things are run. HMRC have said that it will cost around £20billion per year in running costs. This is close to double what we currently pay to be members. So we may pay double the money for less trade, that seems sensible. In addition the Eu has 67 trade deals with other countries, and are in the process of negotiating many more. We will have to redo these deals, just to stand still. The EU has a population of 500 million people, so will these other countries give the same deal to a small country on our own? Tesco and Waitrose again. Will the EU allow it? We already do 20% of our trade with the USA, without a free trade deal. We currently trade with China, and many other countries, again without free trade deals. Germany currently do six times the trade that we do with China, whilst members of the EU. Maybe we should just become more professional in trading with other countries, and not make the excuse about free trade deals. A report came out this week from the CBI, regarding the extinction of the UK car industry assuming we leave the Customs Union. Every financial projection that has been produced since the referendum forecasts that we will be worse off, the only difference being the scale of how much worse off. The £ has dipped since the referendum. The brexiteers just say that's great for exports. Not so great for importers, Poundland will lay off over 5,000 people mainly because their imports have become more expensive. It is very easy to say that we will emerge better and stronger, but very difficult to substantiate this, maybe you could enlighten us.
then why give the population the vote ? we,ve all seen how the country was post credit crunch , folks were titsed off , he took a massive risk and it backfired how can i enlighten you i,m not a politition (sp) , we were strong before we went into the EU and its in my opinion we will be strong again..and i know opinions are like arseeholes
Giving the population the vote was probably a mistake. On Love Island they were debating whether Brexit would mean we would have no trees, and some didn't know what Brexit was. Many people were browned off about our Governments austerity programme, the launch of Universal Credit, and a number of other things that were not caused by us being members of the EU. We joined the EU 45 years ago, when it was a different world. We didn't join to be poorer, or weaker. Not many people can remember what life was like before we became members. A friend of mine said exactly what you said the other day, we were strong before we went in. He is 55 and was in primary school when we went in.
mate i was six but you know there,s this thing i learned at school i think they were called history lessons , yeah thats right history thats how i found out
mate i was six but you know there,s this thing i learned at school i think they were called history lessons , yeah thats right history thats how i found out
To be honest I didn't learn much about the strength of the British economy in history lessons, maybe yours were different. In what way do you think your life will improve because of Brexit? What changes will Brexit make to your everyday life?
Thread just got interesting I was staggered when we chose to leave. But that has nothing on the revelation that Haysie is an avid Love Island viewer. I mean Tikay yeah def a watcher, but Haysie? Didn’t see that coming
Thread just got interesting I was staggered when we chose to leave. But that has nothing on the revelation that Haysie is an avid Love Island viewer. I mean Tikay yeah def a watcher, but Haysie? Didn’t see that coming
Got my legal team on stand by. I got the Love Island info off the link Matt Bates posted earlier in the thread. Whether or not we leave the Eu, I can assure you that I will never watch Love Island ever, ever. Never ever.
I think basing any comments on the views of people on Love Island is doing the great British public a huge disservice isn't it? Please God it is and that the majority of the UK Public have more common sense than those on any reality 'game show'.
I think we also need to consider that the UK economy is due a slow down anyway, simply because it is 9 years since the last market downturn and a 9 year bull market is quite long. To quote a very knowledgeable fund manager 'we think the markets could correct in a year to 18 months time, which will coincide almost exactly with Brexit, it will be nothing to do with Brexit but of course it will be blamed on it, as will anything else that goes wrong.'
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Since the Brexit referendum in the UK the opinion in all EU countries has become more pro-EU. Non of that Russian #false facts here please.
You couldn't make it up.
» show previous quotes
Yeah and if people disagree with the result then they can campaign to disregard it, ignore it completely or simply berate those who voted the other way as ignorant arrogant thoughtless pokerist morons. Yes ?? is that right ?? After all that's what happened last time there was a referendum result that some didn't like.
Not all the people that voted for Brexit are racist, but all the people that are racist obviously did.
It is politicians who decide whether the people are allowed to vote on something. Look at our last (not only) referendum on this issue (the people "spoke" in the 1970s, but that apparently doesn't count)-both sides failed to give us any of the true facts, and there was no informed decision.
Now let's return to UK politicians (or any other EU country). As a Government, would you rather be answerable in various respects to your peers in similar countries, or absolutely nobody? Think you'll find that UK politicians have got "their" country back
Of course we will be worse off outside than in. Otherwise the EU club wouldn't exist. That said, it won't be the end of the world. We are a proud island. We are used to Continental Europe thinking of us as arrogant, and slightly mad. And we are. That said, I am still proud to be British, for all our faults. We do tend to do things the hard way. But we still succeed, despite this.
For such a small country there are some great minds we are leaders in major achievements such as inventions, all things medical and we will come out the other side better and stronger it's just gonna take time
The Conservative leadership never thought in a million years that they would lose.
Even Nigel Farage was saying two days before the vote that the leave vote fully expected to lose, and that there would have to be another referendum.
I think that the vision of us being better and stronger after leaving is a fantasy.
The EU cant give us the same deal as non members as we currently have as members. That must make us poorer.
Whatever deal we are able to get, we will not be members and have no say in how things are run.
HMRC have said that it will cost around £20billion per year in running costs. This is close to double what we currently pay to be members. So we may pay double the money for less trade, that seems sensible.
In addition the Eu has 67 trade deals with other countries, and are in the process of negotiating many more. We will have to redo these deals, just to stand still.
The EU has a population of 500 million people, so will these other countries give the same deal to a small country on our own? Tesco and Waitrose again. Will the EU allow it?
We already do 20% of our trade with the USA, without a free trade deal. We currently trade with China, and many other countries, again without free trade deals. Germany currently do six times the trade that we do with China, whilst members of the EU. Maybe we should just become more professional in trading with other countries, and not make the excuse about free trade deals.
A report came out this week from the CBI, regarding the extinction of the UK car industry assuming we leave the Customs Union.
Every financial projection that has been produced since the referendum forecasts that we will be worse off, the only difference being the scale of how much worse off.
The £ has dipped since the referendum. The brexiteers just say that's great for exports. Not so great for importers, Poundland will lay off over 5,000 people mainly because their imports have become more expensive.
It is very easy to say that we will emerge better and stronger, but very difficult to substantiate this, maybe you could enlighten us.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-trade-deal-latest-uk-motor-industry-customs-union-warning-cbi-paul-dreschler-a8396366.html
WHAT HAS THE EU" ever done for us............ ta ra
Secondly, all the experts are expecting us to be worse off immediately after leaving. You are agreeing with them.
So any country that might see how much worse off we are, may quite possibly change their minds.
we,ve all seen how the country was post credit crunch , folks were titsed off , he took a massive risk and it backfired
how can i enlighten you i,m not a politition (sp) , we were strong before we went into the EU and its in my opinion we will be strong again..and i know opinions are like arseeholes
On Love Island they were debating whether Brexit would mean we would have no trees, and some didn't know what Brexit was.
Many people were browned off about our Governments austerity programme, the launch of Universal Credit, and a number of other things that were not caused by us being members of the EU.
We joined the EU 45 years ago, when it was a different world. We didn't join to be poorer, or weaker.
Not many people can remember what life was like before we became members.
A friend of mine said exactly what you said the other day, we were strong before we went in.
He is 55 and was in primary school when we went in.
You said we will come out better and stronger. I just wondered why you would say that.
They would probably be committed if they did.
To be honest I didn't learn much about the strength of the British economy in history lessons, maybe yours were different.
In what way do you think your life will improve because of Brexit?
What changes will Brexit make to your everyday life?
I was staggered when we chose to leave.
But that has nothing on the revelation that Haysie is an avid Love Island viewer.
I mean Tikay yeah def a watcher, but Haysie? Didn’t see that coming
I got the Love Island info off the link Matt Bates posted earlier in the thread.
Whether or not we leave the Eu, I can assure you that I will never watch Love Island ever, ever.
Never ever.
I think we also need to consider that the UK economy is due a slow down anyway, simply because it is 9 years since the last market downturn and a 9 year bull market is quite long. To quote a very knowledgeable fund manager 'we think the markets could correct in a year to 18 months time, which will coincide almost exactly with Brexit, it will be nothing to do with Brexit but of course it will be blamed on it, as will anything else that goes wrong.'