The E.U. hierarchy must be loving all that's going on in this country at the moment,as it's serving as a major warning to other countries that might be thinking of leaving the E.U. in the future.
Is everyone in this country trying to do what they can to ruin it. Shoot ourselves in the foot at every opportunity. And most of it seemingly for individual or political gain.
Its embarrassing. Many on the leave side spout off about unelected representatives in the EU. Yet when you ask them, how these unelected representatives have affected their lives in an adverse way, they are often stumped.
Our elected representatives are an embarrassment. They prefer to queue up to launch a leadership challenge instead of helping to get the country out of this mess. They think primarily about their own political futures. Boris Johnson, and others are out offering their mates Cabinet positions in return for their support. Jacob Rees-Mogg cant wait to rip up the laws that protect workers, and doesn't mind it taking 50 years for us to recover.
The ERG cant wait to take us over the no deal cliff.
This has never been about what is best for the country.
Video Brexit, the Irish border, backstop - does anyone really understand? The UK is due to leave the EU on 29 March 2019 but how many of us actually understand all the big issues like the backstop and the Irish border?
While we are members of The EU there is no Irish Border issue. When we leave the Irish border becomes the outer border of The EU Single Market.
This is because Ireland will still be members, but Northern Ireland wont.
The Good Friday Agreement which ended The Irish Troubles, amongst other things agreed that there would be no hard border in Ireland. This obviously creates a problem when we leave. Any border in Ireland would breach The Good Friday Agreement. The EU must have a border to protect the integrity of The Single Market. The EU have been very flexible on this, and agreed to have the border in the Irish Sea. The argument against this is that it separates NI from the rest of the UK. This means that the EU must have a border but it cant be in Ireland, or the Irish Sea. Where else could it go?
The hope is that the trade deal that we might agree at some point will do away with the need for a border. This could well be the case.
The timetable currently is that we leave next March.
We then move into a transition period until December 2020, where we carry on as we are now and nothing changes.
Obviously there is no guarantee that the negotiations will be completed by then. For instance the deal the EU did with Canada took 7 years to negotiate, and 2 years to implement.
The arrangements that will come into play if we are still negotiating at the end of the transition period are called The Backstop. The Backstop gets around the need for any border, between the time the transition period ends and the new trade agreement taking effect.
The Backstop is merely an insurance policy in case we haven't finished negotiating.
The EU have been very flexible on this as well. The Backstop allows NI to access The Single Market, and The whole of the UK to access The Customs Union, without paying them any money. We normally pay them £billions per year for this, but we are getting it free.
The short answer is no, not many people understand The Backstop. Although it is just about how we deal with a border, where we have never needed one.
Whatever happened to Mays 'Strong and Stable' government claim,under her leadership this government has lurched from one disaster to another(not just Brexit). Her inability to control her own party(let alone the country) and now this latest backtracking proves that the job of leading the country has finally proven too big for her to carry on in her position.
It has been a shambles.
I think the real Brexit problem is that many of the promises made by politicians, were always going to be impossible to achieve.
The real problem is that I don't believe that replacing her will move us forward one bit.
The Tory Party will remain split, and no majority in Parliament for any deal.
The E.U. hierarchy must be loving all that's going on in this country at the moment,as it's serving as a major warning to other countries that might be thinking of leaving the E.U. in the future.
I wouldn't think that there are any members currently contemplating leaving. According to the latest polls there is a substantial majority in favour of remaining, and just about every constituency is now in favour of remaining. Every Brexit option makes us poorer. We are making a mistake, assuming we leave.
Despite the fact that there is no majority for a no deal Brexit. The Government is spending £4.2billion on no deal preparations. That is remarkable to me, when you consider all the cuts they have made.
Sir John Major: Unionists opposing backstop 'ignorant
There has been "breathtaking ignorance" from "those who believe themselves to be unionists" who oppose the Northern Ireland backstop in the Brexit deal, Sir John Major has said.
In blunt terms, though, perhaps it's as a senior Tory MP told me - the decision is just about trying to "protect her bunker". For today, to delay was to survive. And even though Parliament, and no doubt many more members of the public, more importantly, will be aghast at yet another delay in this long drawn-out saga, there is no plan, nor anything ready or with enough agreement from enough MPs to take its place.
Theresa May faces leadership challenge as Tories reach threshold for no confidence vote
Theresa May is facing a leadership challenge after it was confirmed that the threshold for a vote of no confidence was reached. Tory rebels have reached the threshold of 48 letters needed to trigger a vote, chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee Sir Graham Brady has announced. A ballot will be held this evening, and the results will be announced immediately afterwards.
I don't follow politics closely, but I'm very interested to know what are the possible & likely scenarios if.....
a) Mrs May faces a vote of no confidence.
b) If she were to lose that vote.
So that could bring 2 subsidiary questions.
a) What happens to the current Government? Does it simply replace Mrs May with another Conservative, or does the Government fall & we get a General Election?
b) What happens as to the Brexit deal Mrs May negotiated? Does it get ripped up?
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Yet when you ask them, how these unelected representatives have affected their lives in an adverse way, they are often stumped.
Our elected representatives are an embarrassment.
They prefer to queue up to launch a leadership challenge instead of helping to get the country out of this mess.
They think primarily about their own political futures.
Boris Johnson, and others are out offering their mates Cabinet positions in return for their support.
Jacob Rees-Mogg cant wait to rip up the laws that protect workers, and doesn't mind it taking 50 years for us to recover.
The ERG cant wait to take us over the no deal cliff.
This has never been about what is best for the country.
When we leave the Irish border becomes the outer border of The EU Single Market.
This is because Ireland will still be members, but Northern Ireland wont.
The Good Friday Agreement which ended The Irish Troubles, amongst other things agreed that there would be no hard border in Ireland.
This obviously creates a problem when we leave.
Any border in Ireland would breach The Good Friday Agreement.
The EU must have a border to protect the integrity of The Single Market.
The EU have been very flexible on this, and agreed to have the border in the Irish Sea.
The argument against this is that it separates NI from the rest of the UK.
This means that the EU must have a border but it cant be in Ireland, or the Irish Sea. Where else could it go?
The hope is that the trade deal that we might agree at some point will do away with the need for a border. This could well be the case.
The timetable currently is that we leave next March.
We then move into a transition period until December 2020, where we carry on as we are now and nothing changes.
Obviously there is no guarantee that the negotiations will be completed by then.
For instance the deal the EU did with Canada took 7 years to negotiate, and 2 years to implement.
The arrangements that will come into play if we are still negotiating at the end of the transition period are called The Backstop.
The Backstop gets around the need for any border, between the time the transition period ends and the new trade agreement taking effect.
The Backstop is merely an insurance policy in case we haven't finished negotiating.
The EU have been very flexible on this as well. The Backstop allows NI to access The Single Market, and The whole of the UK to access The Customs Union, without paying them any money. We normally pay them £billions per year for this, but we are getting it free.
The short answer is no, not many people understand The Backstop.
Although it is just about how we deal with a border, where we have never needed one.
I think the real Brexit problem is that many of the promises made by politicians, were always going to be impossible to achieve.
The real problem is that I don't believe that replacing her will move us forward one bit.
The Tory Party will remain split, and no majority in Parliament for any deal.
According to the latest polls there is a substantial majority in favour of remaining, and just about every constituency is now in favour of remaining.
Every Brexit option makes us poorer.
We are making a mistake, assuming we leave.
That is remarkable to me, when you consider all the cuts they have made.
There has been "breathtaking ignorance" from "those who believe themselves to be unionists" who oppose the Northern Ireland backstop in the Brexit deal, Sir John Major has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46468409
So, now you want to renegotiate your own proposal?
Embarrassing.
In blunt terms, though, perhaps it's as a senior Tory MP told me - the decision is just about trying to "protect her bunker".
For today, to delay was to survive. And even though Parliament, and no doubt many more members of the public, more importantly, will be aghast at yet another delay in this long drawn-out saga, there is no plan, nor anything ready or with enough agreement from enough MPs to take its place.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46515969
Take this deal or accept the disaster that will follow.
Theresa May is facing a leadership challenge after it was confirmed that the threshold for a vote of no confidence was reached.
Tory rebels have reached the threshold of 48 letters needed to trigger a vote, chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee Sir Graham Brady has announced.
A ballot will be held this evening, and the results will be announced immediately afterwards.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/theresa-may-brink-leadership-challenge-tories-reach-threshold-no-confidence-vote-074456910.html
Tony.
I don't follow politics closely, but I'm very interested to know what are the possible & likely scenarios if.....
a) Mrs May faces a vote of no confidence.
b) If she were to lose that vote.
So that could bring 2 subsidiary questions.
a) What happens to the current Government? Does it simply replace Mrs May with another Conservative, or does the Government fall & we get a General Election?
b) What happens as to the Brexit deal Mrs May negotiated? Does it get ripped up?
And finally......
Has the chances of another Referendum increased?