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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    StayOrGo said:

    Sad times for the country imo.

    StayOrGo said:

    Sad times for the country imo.

    Its a disgrace.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    Jacob Rees-Mogg threw a champagne party at his £5m Westminster mansion to toast Theresa May's Commons defeat with fellow Brexiteer MPs


    A jubilant Jacob Rees-Mogg hosted a champagne party to toast Theresa May’s historic Brexit defeat on Tuesday night.
    Ex-Brexit Secretary David Davis and former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson were among more than 30 MPs invited to Rees-Mogg’s six-bedroom, grade-II listed home, which is a five-minute walk from Parliament.
    News, analysis and expert opinion as the UK gets closer to leaving the European Union
    Guests were greeted with a flute of fizz at the door.
    Leading Brexiteers including Labour MP Kate Hoey and the former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith also attended.




    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/jacob-rees-mogg-threw-a-champagne-party-at-his-£5m-westminster-mansion-to-toast-theresa-mays-commons-defeat-with-fellow-brexiteer-mps/ar-BBSlsNr?ocid=spartandhp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    Barry Gardner who was famously taped describing Labours six tests as b0ll0cks, continues to appear on telly a number of times every day waffling, and talking b0ll0cks.

    He really thinks the public is interested in Labour Party internal nonsense.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    The default position hasn't changed. Where unless something else happens we leave in March with no deal.
    So much time has been wasted.
    I think that there is a massive problem due to the number of factions in Parliament. Therefore the implementation of any particular change to the plan, will get one faction on side, while alienating another, without any move forward.

    Although there is a massive majority in Parliament that will not support no deal. If this was ruled out, it would mean that the fanatics that are in favour of no deal, would have to accept that there was going to be a deal of some sort.

    This would definitely be a step forward.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    edited January 2019
    The Labour Party policy seems to be that they will continue to call for no confidence votes, despite the unlikelihood of winning one, the ticking clock, and the overwhelming support of their members, their MPs, and their voters for a second referendum.

    Are they going to wait until we leave before the leadership gets behind a second referendum?

    I saw an interesting interview on Sky News yesterday, with an SNP MP. The SNP have 35 MPs, and they were one of the first parties to call for a second referendum.

    The interviewer suggested that they should tell Labour that they would not support them on any future no confidence votes. This would make it virtually impossible for Labour to win one.
    If the SNP had voted with The Government yesterday the result would have been 360 against 271.

    This would have surely been a discouragement for Labour to continue with this policy, and immediately move them on to the second referendum before it is too late,

    It is difficult to see why this plan would not be effective, yet the MP didn't think that they could vote with The Government.

    They clearly don't understand politics.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    edited January 2019
    Maybe the no confidence vote was a bad move.
    On Tuesday the majority of Tories had faces down to their boots, after such a humiliating loss in the Meaningful Vote.
    The media was concentrating on beating them up.
    Last night after they won the no confidence vote, they looked much more united, definitely had a spring back in their steps, and the media has clearly moved on.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    What could a no-deal Brexit actually mean for YOU?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpYrclfgX2I
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    Brexit news latest: Tom Watson and Michael Gove praised for fiery summing up speeches ahead of no confidence vote


    Tom Watson and Michael Gove have been praised for their fiery speeches in the Commons as they wound up the debate ahead of the no-confidence vote in the Government.
    The Environment Secretary praised the Prime Minister's "inspirational leadership" in the House of Commons as he wound up the debate, and tore into Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.
    Minutes before Theresa May survived the no-confidence vote, Mr Gove listed off the ways in which the government was protecting British security, and contrasted that with the Labour leader.
    He said: "While we are standing up for national security, what about Mr Corbyn? He wants to leave Nato, he wants to get rid of our nuclear deterrent.
    "And recently he said in a speech, why do countries boast about the size of their armies? That is quite wrong, why don't we emulate Costa Rica, that has no army at all?

    "No allies, no deterrent, no army, no way can this country ever allow that man to be our Prime Minister."
    He was speaking after Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson finished off the speeches from the opposing side, where he said Tory MPs "know in their hearts that this Prime Minister is not capable of getting a deal through".
    Mr Gove hit out, saying Mr Watson had failed to mention Mr Corbyn once, adding: "We have several things in common - we've both lost weight, him much more so. We're both friends of Israel - him much more so."
    And to loud cheers from the Tory benches, the Environment Secretary added: "And we both recognise that Mr Corbyn is about the worst possible person to lead the Labour Party – him more so."
    Mr Watson had slammed the Prime Minister for having “no majority and no authority”, saying: “The UK is more divided and fearful for the future than ever before.”





    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-news-latest-tom-watson-200113307.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    Transcript: Michael Gove’s barnstorming speech in no-confidence debate


    In the no-confidence motion today Michael Gove this evening gave one of the best speeches of his parliamentary career, praising Labour moderates and launching an excoriating attack on Jeremy Corbyn. Here’s an edited transcript.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/transcript-michael-goves-barnstorming-speech-in-no-confidence-debate/
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    Michael Gove Speech: Best In No Confidence Debate – is it?


    But it was Environment Secretary Michael Gove who impressed and entertained the Chamber and possibly won the day for the PM.
    His presentation was said to be confident and a spotlight on the whole day. Reports described his speech as witty, full of irony as well as being ferocious.


    https://ynuk.tv/2019/01/17/michael-gove-speech-best-in-no-confidence-debate-is-it/
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    Gove sends Commons into RAPTURES with INCREDIBLE 90sec Brexit celebration - and BBC dig

    The speech, which was met with thunderous cheers from the Commons, was delivered in defence of Theresa May during the vote of no confidence yesterday evening. Mr Gove boomed: “When we think about confidence in this country and in this government, there’s a daily vote of confidence which is being executed by the individuals investing in this country - creating jobs and opportunity for all our citizens. Under this government, this country remains the most successful country for foreign direct investment of any country in Europe, with more than £1300 billion being invested in the last year.


    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1073325/Brexit-news-Theresa-May-vote-no-confidence-no-deal-Michael-Gove-video-BBC-news
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    The Labour Party policy seems to be that they will continue to call for no confidence votes, despite the unlikelihood of winning one, the ticking clock, and the overwhelming support of their members, their MPs, and their voters for a second referendum.

    Are they going to wait until we leave before the leadership gets behind a second referendum?

    I saw an interesting interview on Sky News yesterday, with an SNP MP. The SNP have 35 MPs, and they were one of the first parties to call for a second referendum.

    The interviewer suggested that they should tell Labour that they would not support them on any future no confidence votes. This would make it virtually impossible for Labour to win one.
    If the SNP had voted with The Government yesterday the result would have been 360 against 271.

    This would have surely been a discouragement for Labour to continue with this policy, and immediately move them on to the second referendum before it is too late,

    It is difficult to see why this plan would not be effective, yet the MP didn't think that they could vote with The Government.

    They clearly don't understand politics.

    More chance of me winning the nobel prize for literature than that scenario happening .


    Nicola Sturgeon

    @NicolaSturgeon
    So everything is not on the table. PM’s offer of talks is a promise to listen, but only if we all agree with her. @theSNP won’t be complicit in more time wasting. Rule out no deal, be prepared to extend Art 50 and agree to at least consider another referendum - then we’ll talk.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,004

    Thought this was interesting.

    On Betfair Exchange, the prices for the UK to leave the EU by 29th March are as follows;

    YES (Leave by 29th March) 6.6

    NO (NOT to leave EU by 29th March) 1.17.


    In plain fractional fixed odds that means current betting is that it is 11/2 the UK will leave by 29th March, & 1/6 that we will NOT leave by March 29th.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    Tikay10 said:


    Thought this was interesting.

    On Betfair Exchange, the prices for the UK to leave the EU by 29th March are as follows;

    YES (Leave by 29th March) 6.6

    NO (NOT to leave EU by 29th March) 1.17.


    In plain fractional fixed odds that means current betting is that it is 11/2 the UK will leave by 29th March, & 1/6 that we will NOT leave by March 29th.

    That is quite comforting.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613



    HAYSIE said:

    The Labour Party policy seems to be that they will continue to call for no confidence votes, despite the unlikelihood of winning one, the ticking clock, and the overwhelming support of their members, their MPs, and their voters for a second referendum.

    Are they going to wait until we leave before the leadership gets behind a second referendum?

    I saw an interesting interview on Sky News yesterday, with an SNP MP. The SNP have 35 MPs, and they were one of the first parties to call for a second referendum.

    The interviewer suggested that they should tell Labour that they would not support them on any future no confidence votes. This would make it virtually impossible for Labour to win one.
    If the SNP had voted with The Government yesterday the result would have been 360 against 271.

    This would have surely been a discouragement for Labour to continue with this policy, and immediately move them on to the second referendum before it is too late,

    It is difficult to see why this plan would not be effective, yet the MP didn't think that they could vote with The Government.

    They clearly don't understand politics.

    More chance of me winning the nobel prize for literature than that scenario happening .


    Nicola Sturgeon

    @NicolaSturgeon
    So everything is not on the table. PM’s offer of talks is a promise to listen, but only if we all agree with her. @theSNP won’t be complicit in more time wasting. Rule out no deal, be prepared to extend Art 50 and agree to at least consider another referendum - then we’ll talk.
    The SNP policy on Brexit is to get a second referendum.

    Any chance of achieving this will require labour support.

    Labour policy is sequenced, no confidence votes to get a General Election, followed by a second referendum.

    An effective way of stopping the no confidence votes, would be for The SNP to stop supporting Labour in these votes, as they would then rule out any chance of Labour winning one.

    So this would undoubtedly be the most effective way of The SNP achieving their goal.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613
    Tikay10 said:


    Thought this was interesting.

    On Betfair Exchange, the prices for the UK to leave the EU by 29th March are as follows;

    YES (Leave by 29th March) 6.6

    NO (NOT to leave EU by 29th March) 1.17.


    In plain fractional fixed odds that means current betting is that it is 11/2 the UK will leave by 29th March, & 1/6 that we will NOT leave by March 29th.

    Parliament are only sitting for around 37 days prior to us leaving.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:



    HAYSIE said:

    The Labour Party policy seems to be that they will continue to call for no confidence votes, despite the unlikelihood of winning one, the ticking clock, and the overwhelming support of their members, their MPs, and their voters for a second referendum.

    Are they going to wait until we leave before the leadership gets behind a second referendum?

    I saw an interesting interview on Sky News yesterday, with an SNP MP. The SNP have 35 MPs, and they were one of the first parties to call for a second referendum.

    The interviewer suggested that they should tell Labour that they would not support them on any future no confidence votes. This would make it virtually impossible for Labour to win one.
    If the SNP had voted with The Government yesterday the result would have been 360 against 271.

    This would have surely been a discouragement for Labour to continue with this policy, and immediately move them on to the second referendum before it is too late,

    It is difficult to see why this plan would not be effective, yet the MP didn't think that they could vote with The Government.

    They clearly don't understand politics.

    More chance of me winning the nobel prize for literature than that scenario happening .


    Nicola Sturgeon

    @NicolaSturgeon
    So everything is not on the table. PM’s offer of talks is a promise to listen, but only if we all agree with her. @theSNP won’t be complicit in more time wasting. Rule out no deal, be prepared to extend Art 50 and agree to at least consider another referendum - then we’ll talk.
    The SNP policy on Brexit is to get a second referendum.

    Any chance of achieving this will require labour support.

    Labour policy is sequenced, no confidence votes to get a General Election, followed by a second referendum.

    An effective way of stopping the no confidence votes, would be for The SNP to stop supporting Labour in these votes, as they would then rule out any chance of Labour winning one.

    So this would undoubtedly be the most effective way of The SNP achieving their goal.
    Really ...you been in private talks with Corbyn ? ;) ....haven't seen anywhere , where he's said it's the intention of the labour party to support a 2nd referendum . The grass roots membership might be in favour of one , but he hasn't clarified Labours stance.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613

    HAYSIE said:



    HAYSIE said:

    The Labour Party policy seems to be that they will continue to call for no confidence votes, despite the unlikelihood of winning one, the ticking clock, and the overwhelming support of their members, their MPs, and their voters for a second referendum.

    Are they going to wait until we leave before the leadership gets behind a second referendum?

    I saw an interesting interview on Sky News yesterday, with an SNP MP. The SNP have 35 MPs, and they were one of the first parties to call for a second referendum.

    The interviewer suggested that they should tell Labour that they would not support them on any future no confidence votes. This would make it virtually impossible for Labour to win one.
    If the SNP had voted with The Government yesterday the result would have been 360 against 271.

    This would have surely been a discouragement for Labour to continue with this policy, and immediately move them on to the second referendum before it is too late,

    It is difficult to see why this plan would not be effective, yet the MP didn't think that they could vote with The Government.

    They clearly don't understand politics.

    More chance of me winning the nobel prize for literature than that scenario happening .


    Nicola Sturgeon

    @NicolaSturgeon
    So everything is not on the table. PM’s offer of talks is a promise to listen, but only if we all agree with her. @theSNP won’t be complicit in more time wasting. Rule out no deal, be prepared to extend Art 50 and agree to at least consider another referendum - then we’ll talk.
    The SNP policy on Brexit is to get a second referendum.

    Any chance of achieving this will require labour support.

    Labour policy is sequenced, no confidence votes to get a General Election, followed by a second referendum.

    An effective way of stopping the no confidence votes, would be for The SNP to stop supporting Labour in these votes, as they would then rule out any chance of Labour winning one.

    So this would undoubtedly be the most effective way of The SNP achieving their goal.
    Really ...you been in private talks with Corbyn ? ;) ....haven't seen anywhere , where he's said it's the intention of the labour party to support a 2nd referendum . The grass roots membership might be in favour of one , but he hasn't clarified Labours stance.
    Labour delegates vote overwhelmingly for Brexit motion backing second referendum as option – as it happened

    Labour delegates have overwhelmingly voted in favour of the Brexit motion saying holding a second referendum should be an option. The vote came a few hours after Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, received wild applause after he declared in a speech: “Nobody is ruling out remain as an option.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/sep/25/labour-conference-brexit-debate-starmer-increasingly-likely-to-vote-down-mays-brexit-deal-starmer-says-politics-live
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,613

    HAYSIE said:



    HAYSIE said:

    The Labour Party policy seems to be that they will continue to call for no confidence votes, despite the unlikelihood of winning one, the ticking clock, and the overwhelming support of their members, their MPs, and their voters for a second referendum.

    Are they going to wait until we leave before the leadership gets behind a second referendum?

    I saw an interesting interview on Sky News yesterday, with an SNP MP. The SNP have 35 MPs, and they were one of the first parties to call for a second referendum.

    The interviewer suggested that they should tell Labour that they would not support them on any future no confidence votes. This would make it virtually impossible for Labour to win one.
    If the SNP had voted with The Government yesterday the result would have been 360 against 271.

    This would have surely been a discouragement for Labour to continue with this policy, and immediately move them on to the second referendum before it is too late,

    It is difficult to see why this plan would not be effective, yet the MP didn't think that they could vote with The Government.

    They clearly don't understand politics.

    More chance of me winning the nobel prize for literature than that scenario happening .


    Nicola Sturgeon

    @NicolaSturgeon
    So everything is not on the table. PM’s offer of talks is a promise to listen, but only if we all agree with her. @theSNP won’t be complicit in more time wasting. Rule out no deal, be prepared to extend Art 50 and agree to at least consider another referendum - then we’ll talk.
    The SNP policy on Brexit is to get a second referendum.

    Any chance of achieving this will require labour support.

    Labour policy is sequenced, no confidence votes to get a General Election, followed by a second referendum.

    An effective way of stopping the no confidence votes, would be for The SNP to stop supporting Labour in these votes, as they would then rule out any chance of Labour winning one.

    So this would undoubtedly be the most effective way of The SNP achieving their goal.
    Really ...you been in private talks with Corbyn ? ;) ....haven't seen anywhere , where he's said it's the intention of the labour party to support a 2nd referendum . The grass roots membership might be in favour of one , but he hasn't clarified Labours stance.
    Labour conference backs motion on holding second EU referendum



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-conference-live-second-eu-referendum-jeremy-corbyn-owen-smith-motion-a7332836.html
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