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  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.</

    What would you call a “ Living Wage” and what is the difference between that and minimum wage? Would paying that have an impact on the business?
    Disagree they would have ample applicants.
    It’s a fact of Modern Britain that immigrants have had a positive impact on the care/ hospitality/ farming/NHS sectors

    Maybe a sweeping statement but I do think that there is an element of avoiding these type of jobs amongst today’s younger generation.
    Maybe another thread would be in order to discuss people’s views on this topic.
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,824
    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX_JGtfBUDc
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,824
    Many people unfortunately fail to see the difference between, asylum seekers, EU migrants, non EU migrants, illegal immigrants, and foreign students, or the contributions they make to our country.

    I would think that the majority are not in favour of illegal immigration, and would question the contribution they make, as the illegal nature of their status makes any contribution virtually impossible.

    Many people group all categories together, think that they are all unwelcome job thieves etc, despite the economic contribution they make.
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    How about not guessing figures and find out how many are on min wage.
    And i think you will find i said heads of businesses not just the owner.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,824
    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,824
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
    You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses.
    This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,824
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
    You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses.
    This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
    Do you want to buy a cheap pub?
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
    You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses.
    This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
    You are guessing again on figures.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
    You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses.
    This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
    I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people.
    I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage.
    Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
    You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses.
    This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
    I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people.
    I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage.
    Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
    Provide proof.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,824

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
    You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses.
    This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
    You are guessing again on figures.
    You do the figures then?
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    JD Wetherspoon said on Thursday that it will not increase wages as some of its staff go on strike demand better pay.

    The pub chain, which employs close to 40,000 people, said it had increased the total amount it paid staff by £20m in the year ending July 2018.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    tomgoodun said:

    JD Wetherspoon said on Thursday that it will not increase wages as some of its staff go on strike demand better pay.

    The pub chain, which employs close to 40,000 people, said it had increased the total amount it paid staff by £20m in the year ending July 2018.

    Google it
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    HAYSIE said:

    Many people unfortunately fail to see the difference between, asylum seekers, EU migrants, non EU migrants, illegal immigrants, and foreign students, or the contributions they make to our country.

    I would think that the majority are not in favour of illegal immigration, and would question the contribution they make, as the illegal nature of their status makes any contribution virtually impossible.

    Many people group all categories together, think that they are all unwelcome job thieves etc, despite the economic contribution they make.

    Another sweeping statement with no proof.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,824

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
    You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses.
    This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
    I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people.
    I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage.
    Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
    Provide proof.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/13/jd-wetherspoon-profits-open-pubs

    https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/investors-home/bsr/people
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    edited February 2019
    Would still like an accurate figure on wage structure.
    And how many are migrant workers ?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,824
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    UK restaurant jobs unfilled as EU workers leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJUpTrjbls

    How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
    I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic
    Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications?
    My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
    Not a different argument, its a solution.
    Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
    A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in.
    The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
    Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour.
    40 hour week - £1.6 million per week

    Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
    They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
    You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses.
    This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
    I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people.
    I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage.
    Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
    Provide proof.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/13/jd-wetherspoon-profits-open-pubs

    https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/investors-home/bsr/people
    You don't have to be a genius.
    One of the above articles says they employ 37,000 people, the other says they made £77 million in profit.
    So we will say 30,000 workers to make it easy, the rest are bosses.
    We will give them a £2 per hour increase.
    That is £80 per week, which equals £4,000 per year.
    So that is underestimating on the number of people and saying 50 weeks in the year.
    If you give 30,000 people a £4,000 increase it comes to £120million.
    Therefore a £77million profit turns into a £43million loss.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,824

    HAYSIE said:

    Many people unfortunately fail to see the difference between, asylum seekers, EU migrants, non EU migrants, illegal immigrants, and foreign students, or the contributions they make to our country.

    I would think that the majority are not in favour of illegal immigration, and would question the contribution they make, as the illegal nature of their status makes any contribution virtually impossible.

    Many people group all categories together, think that they are all unwelcome job thieves etc, despite the economic contribution they make.

    Another sweeping statement with no proof.
    You only have to wake up in the morning to know this is true.
    Many leave voters still think that stopping Freedom of Movement, will put a stop to immigration.
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