How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications? My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
Not a different argument, its a solution. Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in. The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour. 40 hour week - £1.6 million per week
Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses. This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people. I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage. Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
You don't have to be a genius. One of the above articles says they employ 37,000 people, the other says they made £77 million in profit. So we will say 30,000 workers to make it easy, the rest are bosses. We will give them a £2 per hour increase. That is £80 per week, which equals £4,000 per year. So that is underestimating on the number of people and saying 50 weeks in the year. If you give 30,000 people a £4,000 increase it comes to £120million. Therefore a £77million profit turns into a £43million loss.
So out of your figures how many are on minimum wage?
How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications? My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
Not a different argument, its a solution. Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in. The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour. 40 hour week - £1.6 million per week
Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses. This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people. I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage. Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
You don't have to be a genius. One of the above articles says they employ 37,000 people, the other says they made £77 million in profit. So we will say 30,000 workers to make it easy, the rest are bosses. We will give them a £2 per hour increase. That is £80 per week, which equals £4,000 per year. So that is underestimating on the number of people and saying 50 weeks in the year. If you give 30,000 people a £4,000 increase it comes to £120million. Therefore a £77million profit turns into a £43million loss.
So out of your figures how many are on minimum wage?
How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications? My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
Not a different argument, its a solution. Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in. The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour. 40 hour week - £1.6 million per week
Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses. This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people. I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage. Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
You don't have to be a genius. One of the above articles says they employ 37,000 people, the other says they made £77 million in profit. So we will say 30,000 workers to make it easy, the rest are bosses. We will give them a £2 per hour increase. That is £80 per week, which equals £4,000 per year. So that is underestimating on the number of people and saying 50 weeks in the year. If you give 30,000 people a £4,000 increase it comes to £120million. Therefore a £77million profit turns into a £43million loss.
So out of your figures how many are on minimum wage?
30,000, out of 37,000.
Not true,so all the workers are on min wage, including Bar Managers, and senior bar staff ?
How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications? My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
Not a different argument, its a solution. Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in. The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour. 40 hour week - £1.6 million per week
Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses. This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people. I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage. Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
You don't have to be a genius. One of the above articles says they employ 37,000 people, the other says they made £77 million in profit. So we will say 30,000 workers to make it easy, the rest are bosses. We will give them a £2 per hour increase. That is £80 per week, which equals £4,000 per year. So that is underestimating on the number of people and saying 50 weeks in the year. If you give 30,000 people a £4,000 increase it comes to £120million. Therefore a £77million profit turns into a £43million loss.
So out of your figures how many are on minimum wage?
30,000, out of 37,000.
You would need there to be 20,000 to just wipe out his profit.
How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications? My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
Not a different argument, its a solution. Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in. The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour. 40 hour week - £1.6 million per week
Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses. This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people. I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage. Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
You don't have to be a genius. One of the above articles says they employ 37,000 people, the other says they made £77 million in profit. So we will say 30,000 workers to make it easy, the rest are bosses. We will give them a £2 per hour increase. That is £80 per week, which equals £4,000 per year. So that is underestimating on the number of people and saying 50 weeks in the year. If you give 30,000 people a £4,000 increase it comes to £120million. Therefore a £77million profit turns into a £43million loss.
So out of your figures how many are on minimum wage?
30,000, out of 37,000.
Not true,so all the workers are on min wage, including Bar Managers, and senior bar staff ?
Only just over half have to receive a £2 per hour increase to completely wipe out his profit. That is pretty much your argument for everything. Not true, project fear. Bye. I am out. I was silly to respond in the first place. I should have known better. Experience should have taught me.
On this thread we have had people on camera blaming immigrants for taking their jobs People filmed being offered the job immigrants do and turning it down One must ask, given the choice of Leave or Remain, which way could it be assumed they voted? I for one don’t think for one minute they thought “ It’s not the immigrants fault, I’ll vote remain”
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that this kind of thinking swayed the vote in favour of leave?
I would have put my mortgage on “ Project Fear” being urttered on this thread btw..
On this thread we have had people on camera blaming immigrants for taking their jobs People filmed being offered the job immigrants do and turning it down One must ask, given the choice of Leave or Remain, which way could it be assumed they voted? I for one don’t think for one minute they thought “ It’s not the immigrants fault, I’ll vote remain”
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that this kind of thinking swayed the vote in favour of leave?
I would have put my mortgage on “ Project Fear” being urttered on this thread btw..
Cherry picking clips off the internet can prove any argument. The majority of people i have spoken to who voted LEAVE did not vote Leave because of immigration. haysie mentioned project fear.
On this thread we have had people on camera blaming immigrants for taking their jobs People filmed being offered the job immigrants do and turning it down One must ask, given the choice of Leave or Remain, which way could it be assumed they voted? I for one don’t think for one minute they thought “ It’s not the immigrants fault, I’ll vote remain”
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that this kind of thinking swayed the vote in favour of leave?
I would have put my mortgage on “ Project Fear” being urttered on this thread btw..
Cherry picking clips off the internet can prove any argument. The majority of people i have spoken to who voted LEAVE did not vote Leave because of immigration. haysie mentioned project fear.
Never heard Haysie , once refer to a conversation he's had with someone outside the internet ...you know like a real person to person conversation . I appreciate that he probably won't have any friends whos conversations he could recall , but you would think he could find someone outside to annoy for a short while. Pick your extreme versions of the opposite stance straight off the media and internet and you have a ready to go argument ...obviously no substance to it , but lets not let facts get in the way of rabid remainer hyperbole . It's all very sad to be honest .
On this thread we have had people on camera blaming immigrants for taking their jobs People filmed being offered the job immigrants do and turning it down One must ask, given the choice of Leave or Remain, which way could it be assumed they voted? I for one don’t think for one minute they thought “ It’s not the immigrants fault, I’ll vote remain”
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that this kind of thinking swayed the vote in favour of leave?
I would have put my mortgage on “ Project Fear” being urttered on this thread btw..
Cherry picking clips off the internet can prove any argument. The majority of people i have spoken to who voted LEAVE did not vote Leave because of immigration. haysie mentioned project fear.
Never heard Haysie , once refer to a conversation he's had with someone outside the internet ...you know like a real person to person conversation . I appreciate that he probably won't have any friends whos conversations he could recall , but you would think he could find someone outside to annoy for a short while. Pick your extreme versions of the opposite stance straight off the media and internet and you have a ready to go argument ...obviously no substance to it , but lets not let facts get in the way of rabid remainer hyperbole . It's all very sad to be honest .
Anyone can say “I spoke to my mate down the pub and he voted x or y”, how do you prove that one way or the other ? When it’s there in film , it’s kinda hard to argue against really. No substance to these people saying what they did? How so?
On this thread we have had people on camera blaming immigrants for taking their jobs People filmed being offered the job immigrants do and turning it down One must ask, given the choice of Leave or Remain, which way could it be assumed they voted? I for one don’t think for one minute they thought “ It’s not the immigrants fault, I’ll vote remain”
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that this kind of thinking swayed the vote in favour of leave?
I would have put my mortgage on “ Project Fear” being urttered on this thread btw..
Cherry picking clips off the internet can prove any argument. The majority of people i have spoken to who voted LEAVE did not vote Leave because of immigration. haysie mentioned project fear.
Never heard Haysie , once refer to a conversation he's had with someone outside the internet ...you know like a real person to person conversation . I appreciate that he probably won't have any friends whos conversations he could recall , but you would think he could find someone outside to annoy for a short while. Pick your extreme versions of the opposite stance straight off the media and internet and you have a ready to go argument ...obviously no substance to it , but lets not let facts get in the way of rabid remainer hyperbole . It's all very sad to be honest .
Anyone can say “I spoke to my mate down the pub and he voted x or y”, how do you prove that one way or the other ? When it’s there in film , it’s kinda hard to argue against really. No substance to these people saying what they did? How so?
On this thread we have had people on camera blaming immigrants for taking their jobs People filmed being offered the job immigrants do and turning it down One must ask, given the choice of Leave or Remain, which way could it be assumed they voted? I for one don’t think for one minute they thought “ It’s not the immigrants fault, I’ll vote remain”
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that this kind of thinking swayed the vote in favour of leave?
I would have put my mortgage on “ Project Fear” being urttered on this thread btw..
Cherry picking clips off the internet can prove any argument. The majority of people i have spoken to who voted LEAVE did not vote Leave because of immigration. haysie mentioned project fear.
Never heard Haysie , once refer to a conversation he's had with someone outside the internet ...you know like a real person to person conversation . I appreciate that he probably won't have any friends whos conversations he could recall , but you would think he could find someone outside to annoy for a short while. Pick your extreme versions of the opposite stance straight off the media and internet and you have a ready to go argument ...obviously no substance to it , but lets not let facts get in the way of rabid remainer hyperbole . It's all very sad to be honest .
Anyone can say “I spoke to my mate down the pub and he voted x or y”, how do you prove that one way or the other ? When it’s there in film , it’s kinda hard to argue against really. No substance to these people saying what they did? How so?
Because for effect these doc makers are deliberately picking extreme viewpoints ..if they filmed a load of moderates , it would be boring . As far as the first bit , you don't have to prove a conversation one way or another ..this is a forum , not an information seeking interrogation .
I have spoken to real life people, who voted leave including immigrants who voted leave, they must be racist too.
What were their reasons for voting leave?
Haysie and others , want to portray most of the leave voters , voting because of immigration and ignoring anything else . A lot of what could be considered , intelligent , reasoned respectable individuals voted leave ...they don't all have swastika tattoos and go on far right marches .
I have spoken to real life people, who voted leave including immigrants who voted leave, they must be racist too.
What were their reasons for voting leave?
Haysie and others , want to portray most of the leave voters , voting because of immigration and ignoring anything else . A lot of what could be considered , intelligent , reasoned respectable individuals voted leave ...they don't all have swastika tattoos and go on far right marches .
Would you say that some did vote leave based on immigration?
I have spoken to real life people, who voted leave including immigrants who voted leave, they must be racist too.
What were their reasons for voting leave?
Haysie and others , want to portray most of the leave voters , voting because of immigration and ignoring anything else . A lot of what could be considered , intelligent , reasoned respectable individuals voted leave ...they don't all have swastika tattoos and go on far right marches .
Would you say that some did vote leave based on immigration?
Is that a serious question ? Obviously some will have , some will have formed opinions on immigration long before Brexit campaigns started , but that isn't the point ....IMO , the main reason for a majority of people voting leave was the perceived notion of our country being over controlled in a number of ways from outside the uk , and by the EU . That isn't necessarily my opinion , but it's what I believe was the main leave vote reason . I think it's a very desperate and disrespectful move by remainers to portray leave voters as being generally clueless , far right racist muppets with no understanding .
How about this why dont they pay a living wage, instead of the minimum wage ?
I would suggest that’s a different argument/ topic Are you suggesting if they paid a “Living Wage” they would be flooded with applications? My Daughter works in a care home and is paid minimum wage, the staff there are mostly non English.
Not a different argument, its a solution. Not flooded but ample applicants to fill posts.
A living wage depends on what part of the Country, you live in. The impact on the businesses would be minimal, if the heads of that business took a small salary cut.
Wetherspoons employ over 37,000 people, let’s for sake of argument say 20,000 are on minimum wage, and let’s average out the difference in minimum wage to Living wage at £2 per hour. 40 hour week - £1.6 million per week
Reckon Tim Martin will take this hit on his salary?
They made about £80 million last year, that would turn it into a £3million loss, neither he nor the shareholders would wear that, obviously.
You are assuming nearly half are bosses, and almost half are workers. A more likely scenario is that less than 10% are bosses. This would increase your weekly figure by almost 75%, and turn an £80million profit into a £60million loss.
I lowered the figure of workers to give a sense of the impact a rise in wages has in a business that employs thousands of people. I too think the final figure would be higher than £1.6 million per week, but it seems pointless trying to show this to people who shout from the rooftops about a living wage. Whatever the figure, it’s blindingly obvious to those who wish to educate themselves that there’s bound to be a cost to this, the same people go into these establishments and complain about the cost of the pie n gravy.
You don't have to be a genius. One of the above articles says they employ 37,000 people, the other says they made £77 million in profit. So we will say 30,000 workers to make it easy, the rest are bosses. We will give them a £2 per hour increase. That is £80 per week, which equals £4,000 per year. So that is underestimating on the number of people and saying 50 weeks in the year. If you give 30,000 people a £4,000 increase it comes to £120million. Therefore a £77million profit turns into a £43million loss.
So out of your figures how many are on minimum wage?
30,000, out of 37,000.
Not true,so all the workers are on min wage, including Bar Managers, and senior bar staff ?
He had 900 pubs, lets call it 1,000 to make things easy. Say one landlord, two bar managers, and 4 senior bar staff per pub. That makes 7,000 which still leaves 30,000. So lets say another 10 senior bar staff per pub, that leaves 20,000 still enough to to wipe out all his profit.
I have spoken to real life people, who voted leave including immigrants who voted leave, they must be racist too.
What were their reasons for voting leave?
Haysie and others , want to portray most of the leave voters , voting because of immigration and ignoring anything else . A lot of what could be considered , intelligent , reasoned respectable individuals voted leave ...they don't all have swastika tattoos and go on far right marches .
I thought immigration was one of the main reasons people voted leave.
I went to google and this was the first listing when asking "what was the biggest reason to vote leave" by the Centre for Social Investigation, Nuffield College, Oxford
Several different surveys and opinion polls have asked Britons why they voted the way they did in the EU referendum. The two main reasons people voted Leave were ‘immigration’ and ‘sovereignty’, whereas the main reason people voted Remain was ‘the economy’.
I have spoken to real life people, who voted leave including immigrants who voted leave, they must be racist too.
What were their reasons for voting leave?
Haysie and others , want to portray most of the leave voters , voting because of immigration and ignoring anything else . A lot of what could be considered , intelligent , reasoned respectable individuals voted leave ...they don't all have swastika tattoos and go on far right marches .
I thought immigration was one of the main reasons people voted leave.
I went to google and this was the first listing when asking "what was the biggest reason to vote leave" by the Centre for Social Investigation, Nuffield College, Oxford
Several different surveys and opinion polls have asked Britons why they voted the way they did in the EU referendum. The two main reasons people voted Leave were ‘immigration’ and ‘sovereignty’, whereas the main reason people voted Remain was ‘the economy’.
Oh well if surveys are saying that , it must be right then . Big shout out to Nuffield college , the home of surveys . Have you talked to any leave voters in person ? and if so , what reasons did they give you for voting that way ? ......
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People filmed being offered the job immigrants do and turning it down
One must ask, given the choice of Leave or Remain, which way could it be assumed they voted?
I for one don’t think for one minute they thought “ It’s not the immigrants fault, I’ll vote remain”
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that this kind of thinking swayed the vote in favour of leave?
I would have put my mortgage on “ Project Fear” being urttered on this thread btw..
The majority of people i have spoken to who voted LEAVE did not vote Leave because of immigration.
haysie mentioned project fear.
When it’s there in film , it’s kinda hard to argue against really.
No substance to these people saying what they did? How so?
As far as the first bit , you don't have to prove a conversation one way or another ..this is a forum , not an information seeking interrogation .
I think it's a very desperate and disrespectful move by remainers to portray leave voters as being generally clueless , far right racist muppets with no understanding .
I went to google and this was the first listing when asking "what was the biggest reason to vote leave" by the Centre for Social Investigation, Nuffield College, Oxford
Several different surveys and opinion polls have asked Britons why they voted the way they did in the EU referendum. The two main reasons people voted Leave were ‘immigration’ and ‘sovereignty’, whereas the main reason people voted Remain was ‘the economy’.
Have you talked to any leave voters in person ? and if so , what reasons did they give you for voting that way ? ......