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The lunatics have taken over the asylum

VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,399
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https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/18509310.baden-powell-statue-removed-poole-quay/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8406019/Anti-racism-campaigners-call-Black-Boy-pubs-Britain-renamed.html
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,774
    In one sense I agree with you, and in another, I don't.

    Firstly, I feel it is unfair to judge men of many generations ago by 21st Century standards. Much fairer to judge them in the context in which they lived.

    Having said that, it is wrong to put such people (or pub names) on public display (as opposed to a museum), in a way that is bound to cause offence to many. That is not "lunatics"-that is evidence of progress by a civilised world.
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  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,056
    Should they keep them up .... or ..... Take em Down. !

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  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,399
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8408739/Nelson-Mandela-not-wanted-Cecil-Rhodess-Oriel-College-statue-fall.html
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  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,056
    Should this be banned......... ?

    Today I read this book in school and I like it however it is kinda scary that the queen wants to kill Snow White and eat her livers and heart so she can be beautiful no offense. But I still like the story 😊

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  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,056
    The other side of the Coin.......
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  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,399
    edited June 2020
    Do we abolish the monarchy given it's colonial past?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_African_Company
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  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,937
    Essexphil said:

    In one sense I agree with you, and in another, I don't.

    Firstly, I feel it is unfair to judge men of many generations ago by 21st Century standards. Much fairer to judge them in the context in which they lived.

    Having said that, it is wrong to put such people (or pub names) on public display (as opposed to a museum), in a way that is bound to cause offence to many. That is not "lunatics"-that is evidence of progress by a civilised world.



    Very wise words indeed amongst all the hysteria currently being spouted around by all sides of the argument.
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited June 2020
    Auschwitz is a fine example of learning from history and not erasing the horrors of the past. However you don't see any statues of Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann etc on the streets of Germany.

    Not condoning a mob mentality and criminal damage but I think it is right to have a sensible debate about which historical figures do not deserve to be honoured with statues. Slave traders seems an easy category to remove.
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  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,937
    Phantom66 said:

    Auschwitz is a fine example of learning from history and not erasing the horrors of the past. However you don't see any statues of Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann etc on the streets of Germany.

    Not condoning a mob mentality and criminal damage but I think it is right to have a sensible debate about which historical figures do not deserve to be honoured with statues. Slave traders seems an easy category to remove.

    The problem then arises of how far back in history do you go? Throughout time the so called 'Superior' civilisations/empires have all been slave owners/traders from Egyptians,Romans,Ottoman,Mongol etc. That's a lot of history to delete.


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  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,399
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade
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  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,434
    This is getting crazy, where do you stop, there is going to be battles in the streets shortly, the BNP are just waiting for an excuse, I understand a lot of the statues belong in a different time and there should be a debate what to do, but the one I don't get is Churchill, without the likes of him there would have been millions more killed.
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    Who said anything about deleting history?
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  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,056
    What have I done


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  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,056
    What you mean " Made African Americans slaves to big Mac's "
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    VespaPX said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8406019/Anti-racism-campaigners-call-Black-Boy-pubs-Britain-renamed.html

    No idea why anyone would ever own a pub in the 21st century and think that's a suitable name, irrespective of its origins.

    The 'name reflects the history of the pub' argument is a particularly daft argument for keeping the name IMO. If the name comes from King Charles II... Just call it that instead? You're not losing any of the history by doing that, and there's plenty of pubs named after English monarchy already.
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited June 2020
    goldon said:

    Should this be banned......... ?

    Today I read this book in school and I like it however it is kinda scary that the queen wants to kill Snow White and eat her livers and heart so she can be beautiful no offense. But I still like the story 😊

    goldon said:

    What you mean " Made African Americans slaves to big Mac's "

    Why don't you take your book up to your room and read it there? The adults are trying to have a grown-up conversation.
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  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,056
    Just pointing out the Evil in innocent places. Have you tried

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  • SR23SR23 Member Posts: 1,228
    goldon said:

    The other side of the Coin.......

    What's the other side of what coin?
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,623
    SR23 said:

    goldon said:

    The other side of the Coin.......

    What's the other side of what coin?
    @SR23

    Such a sickening photo. The copper is struggling on the ground & he's taking selfies.
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  • SR23SR23 Member Posts: 1,228
    edited February 2021
    Tikay10 said:

    SR23 said:

    goldon said:

    The other side of the Coin.......

    What's the other side of what coin?
    @SR23

    Such a sickening photo. The copper is struggling on the ground & he's taking selfies.
    Still not sure what the other side of the coin is wrt to the op/rest of the thread or how that pic is relevant but perhaps that's because @VespaPX 's links are (often) the nut low and I didn't bother to click on.
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