So what? And amplified by the media. Politicians lie, remember 💡
Two of them were Tories.
So nobody will be allowed to move around the world without notification of having had a jab? And you rubbish Vespas conspiracy thread?
UK's Covid vaccine minister suggests bars, cinemas and football stadiums could BAN Brits who haven't had jab as he admits No10 is looking at 'immunity passports' Baroness Dido Harding told NHS bosses her team was 'looking at' the plans They have been touted as a way to get swathes of society 'back to normal' Travel companies signalled their support, saying it could kick-start the industry
Nadhim Zahawi MP warned businesses may start requiring proof of vaccination in the same way they now ask customers to check-in on the NHS Covid-19 app using QR codes.
Australian airline Qantas hit the headlines last week after it said that all those wishing to take its flights would need to be vaccinated against Covid-19.
The carrier's boss, Alan Joyce, said the move was a 'necessity' and it was likely to become a 'common thing' for airlines around the world.
He warned, during an interview with Australia's Nine Network, the airline was looking at ways to change its terms and conditions for international travellers.
He said: 'We will ask people to have a vaccination before they can get on the aircraft for international visitors coming out and people leaving (Australia) we think that's a necessity'
More than happy for airlines, countries, stadiums, pubs, cinemas etc etc to want proof of vaccination.
Gives people the freedom of choice; those that want to get life back to some normality can take the vaccine and crack on, and those anti-vax nutjobs can choose to refuse it and face the social consequences.
So if the boss man/women of a company doesnt feel the need for a vaccine jab, then they won’t be allowed into their own offices/ factories?
Why wouldn't they ''feel the need'' for the vaccine?
If they are potentially that irresponsible then I'd imagine they will be removed/marginalised from their position. And if they are the 'boss boss', then they might wanna reconsider their stance to ensure the future of whatever their business might be. Or work from home forever.
Better off asking the 8 out of 10 that are asymptomatic, and the vast majority that supposedly have had it with no illness.
I'm asking you cos you raised it, can't you answer?
The fact that seemingly a lot of people have had it whilst showing no symptoms is part of the problem.
Corona creates a perfect virus storm; it's contagious, a lot of people could have it and not realise, a lot of people can have it with very mild symptoms, ultimately putting a lot of people at risk, particularly those in the vulnerable groups. And it is more deadly than your common flu, which already see's off thousands every year.
It's not just the death rates either of course. Some people are suffering with Covid for months, and our NHS doesn't have the resources to deal with a mass outbreak, even more so over winter.
Suppressing the virus to alleviate the pressure on the NHS and keep deaths to a minimum until a vaccine is rolled out is the aim of the game.
Thankfully, it looks like a vaccine might be edging closer, and also thankfully the anti-vax nutjobs seem to be a vocal minority.
Those that choose not to be vaccinated can face the social consequences.
I’m aware of the above. So then ,those encouraged to have a jab, which will likely be a high %, who do the unvaccinated catch it from? And even then, it will be a miniscule amount that would fall ill. It’s there choice. Unless it’s ya Costa Brava hol that’s the major concern. How ironic.
They will catch it from each other and also infect those that the vaccine hasnt been effective on.
Any vaccine wont be 100%.
I think you mean their.
So let’s say any of them are thought to be 90%+ effective, and millions get vaccinated. That leaves 10’s of thousands that aren’t protected who have had the jab. 1000’s of elderly die over the winter period, fact. I’d be more interested in the performance of this years flu jab. Whatever jabs are administered,thousands are due to die in the next few months. Fast forward to the head scratching .
People will die of all sorts of other causes and are irrelevant to the argument.
The population of the UK is around 67 million
Lets say plan A is to vaccinate everyone, and the vaccine is 90% effective. This would leave almost 7 million unprotected, and able to spread the virus, kill others, and make testing and tracing much easier to manage.
You seem to be supporting plan B. Which is to not vaccinate almost 12 million under 14s. Let up to 30% (over 20 million) to choose not to be vaccinated. Leaving around 35 million to be vaccinated, of which 3 and a half million would be ineffective. This plan leaves over 35 million people still spreading the virus, putting the NHS under pressure and killing people. This make testing and tracing much more difficult to manage.
So what? And amplified by the media. Politicians lie, remember 💡
Two of them were Tories.
So nobody will be allowed to move around the world without notification of having had a jab? And you rubbish Vespas conspiracy thread?
UK's Covid vaccine minister suggests bars, cinemas and football stadiums could BAN Brits who haven't had jab as he admits No10 is looking at 'immunity passports' Baroness Dido Harding told NHS bosses her team was 'looking at' the plans They have been touted as a way to get swathes of society 'back to normal' Travel companies signalled their support, saying it could kick-start the industry
Nadhim Zahawi MP warned businesses may start requiring proof of vaccination in the same way they now ask customers to check-in on the NHS Covid-19 app using QR codes.
Australian airline Qantas hit the headlines last week after it said that all those wishing to take its flights would need to be vaccinated against Covid-19.
The carrier's boss, Alan Joyce, said the move was a 'necessity' and it was likely to become a 'common thing' for airlines around the world.
He warned, during an interview with Australia's Nine Network, the airline was looking at ways to change its terms and conditions for international travellers.
He said: 'We will ask people to have a vaccination before they can get on the aircraft for international visitors coming out and people leaving (Australia) we think that's a necessity'
More than happy for airlines, countries, stadiums, pubs, cinemas etc etc to want proof of vaccination.
Gives people the freedom of choice; those that want to get life back to some normality can take the vaccine and crack on, and those anti-vax nutjobs can choose to refuse it and face the social consequences.
So if the boss man/women of a company doesnt feel the need for a vaccine jab, then they won’t be allowed into their own offices/ factories?
Why wouldn't they ''feel the need'' for the vaccine?
If they are potentially that irresponsible then I'd imagine they will be removed/marginalised from their position. And if they are the 'boss boss', then they might wanna reconsider their stance to ensure the future of whatever their business might be. Or work from home forever.
Better off asking the 8 out of 10 that are asymptomatic, and the vast majority that supposedly have had it with no illness.
I'm asking you cos you raised it, can't you answer?
The fact that seemingly a lot of people have had it whilst showing no symptoms is part of the problem.
Corona creates a perfect virus storm; it's contagious, a lot of people could have it and not realise, a lot of people can have it with very mild symptoms, ultimately putting a lot of people at risk, particularly those in the vulnerable groups. And it is more deadly than your common flu, which already see's off thousands every year.
It's not just the death rates either of course. Some people are suffering with Covid for months, and our NHS doesn't have the resources to deal with a mass outbreak, even more so over winter.
Suppressing the virus to alleviate the pressure on the NHS and keep deaths to a minimum until a vaccine is rolled out is the aim of the game.
Thankfully, it looks like a vaccine might be edging closer, and also thankfully the anti-vax nutjobs seem to be a vocal minority.
Those that choose not to be vaccinated can face the social consequences.
I’m aware of the above. So then ,those encouraged to have a jab, which will likely be a high %, who do the unvaccinated catch it from? And even then, it will be a miniscule amount that would fall ill. It’s there choice. Unless it’s ya Costa Brava hol that’s the major concern. How ironic.
They will catch it from each other and also infect those that the vaccine hasnt been effective on.
Any vaccine wont be 100%.
I think you mean their.
So let’s say any of them are thought to be 90%+ effective, and millions get vaccinated. That leaves 10’s of thousands that aren’t protected who have had the jab. 1000’s of elderly die over the winter period, fact. I’d be more interested in the performance of this years flu jab. Whatever jabs are administered,thousands are due to die in the next few months. Fast forward to the head scratching .
People will die of all sorts of other causes and are irrelevant to the argument.
The population of the UK is around 67 million
Lets say plan A is to vaccinate everyone, and the vaccine is 90% effective. This would leave almost 7 million unprotected, and able to spread the virus, kill others, and make testing and tracing much easier to manage.
You seem to be supporting plan B. Which is to not vaccinate almost 12 million under 14s. Let up to 30% (over 20 million) to choose not to be vaccinated. Leaving around 35 million to be vaccinated, of which 3 and a half million would be ineffective. This plan leaves over 35 million people still spreading the virus, putting the NHS under pressure and killing people. This make testing and tracing much more difficult to manage.
Nobody with any sense would choose plan B.
Get vaccinated or stay in.
It wasn’t relevant to the argument when all these elderly deaths were put down as Covid deaths, regardless? So say 10% are unprotected that took a jab. Why did it not protect them, and what advice do those folks receive? How do they find out they aren’t protected? Keep going back to check for antibodies?
So what? And amplified by the media. Politicians lie, remember 💡
Two of them were Tories.
So nobody will be allowed to move around the world without notification of having had a jab? And you rubbish Vespas conspiracy thread?
UK's Covid vaccine minister suggests bars, cinemas and football stadiums could BAN Brits who haven't had jab as he admits No10 is looking at 'immunity passports' Baroness Dido Harding told NHS bosses her team was 'looking at' the plans They have been touted as a way to get swathes of society 'back to normal' Travel companies signalled their support, saying it could kick-start the industry
Nadhim Zahawi MP warned businesses may start requiring proof of vaccination in the same way they now ask customers to check-in on the NHS Covid-19 app using QR codes.
Australian airline Qantas hit the headlines last week after it said that all those wishing to take its flights would need to be vaccinated against Covid-19.
The carrier's boss, Alan Joyce, said the move was a 'necessity' and it was likely to become a 'common thing' for airlines around the world.
He warned, during an interview with Australia's Nine Network, the airline was looking at ways to change its terms and conditions for international travellers.
He said: 'We will ask people to have a vaccination before they can get on the aircraft for international visitors coming out and people leaving (Australia) we think that's a necessity'
More than happy for airlines, countries, stadiums, pubs, cinemas etc etc to want proof of vaccination.
Gives people the freedom of choice; those that want to get life back to some normality can take the vaccine and crack on, and those anti-vax nutjobs can choose to refuse it and face the social consequences.
So if the boss man/women of a company doesnt feel the need for a vaccine jab, then they won’t be allowed into their own offices/ factories?
Why wouldn't they ''feel the need'' for the vaccine?
If they are potentially that irresponsible then I'd imagine they will be removed/marginalised from their position. And if they are the 'boss boss', then they might wanna reconsider their stance to ensure the future of whatever their business might be. Or work from home forever.
Better off asking the 8 out of 10 that are asymptomatic, and the vast majority that supposedly have had it with no illness.
I'm asking you cos you raised it, can't you answer?
The fact that seemingly a lot of people have had it whilst showing no symptoms is part of the problem.
Corona creates a perfect virus storm; it's contagious, a lot of people could have it and not realise, a lot of people can have it with very mild symptoms, ultimately putting a lot of people at risk, particularly those in the vulnerable groups. And it is more deadly than your common flu, which already see's off thousands every year.
It's not just the death rates either of course. Some people are suffering with Covid for months, and our NHS doesn't have the resources to deal with a mass outbreak, even more so over winter.
Suppressing the virus to alleviate the pressure on the NHS and keep deaths to a minimum until a vaccine is rolled out is the aim of the game.
Thankfully, it looks like a vaccine might be edging closer, and also thankfully the anti-vax nutjobs seem to be a vocal minority.
Those that choose not to be vaccinated can face the social consequences.
I’m aware of the above. So then ,those encouraged to have a jab, which will likely be a high %, who do the unvaccinated catch it from? And even then, it will be a miniscule amount that would fall ill. It’s there choice. Unless it’s ya Costa Brava hol that’s the major concern. How ironic.
They will catch it from each other and also infect those that the vaccine hasnt been effective on.
Any vaccine wont be 100%.
I think you mean their.
So let’s say any of them are thought to be 90%+ effective, and millions get vaccinated. That leaves 10’s of thousands that aren’t protected who have had the jab. 1000’s of elderly die over the winter period, fact. I’d be more interested in the performance of this years flu jab. Whatever jabs are administered,thousands are due to die in the next few months. Fast forward to the head scratching .
People will die of all sorts of other causes and are irrelevant to the argument.
The population of the UK is around 67 million
Lets say plan A is to vaccinate everyone, and the vaccine is 90% effective. This would leave almost 7 million unprotected, and able to spread the virus, kill others, and make testing and tracing much easier to manage.
You seem to be supporting plan B. Which is to not vaccinate almost 12 million under 14s. Let up to 30% (over 20 million) to choose not to be vaccinated. Leaving around 35 million to be vaccinated, of which 3 and a half million would be ineffective. This plan leaves over 35 million people still spreading the virus, putting the NHS under pressure and killing people. This make testing and tracing much more difficult to manage.
Nobody with any sense would choose plan B.
Get vaccinated or stay in.
Nobody with any sense would read the papers or watch the news.
So what? And amplified by the media. Politicians lie, remember 💡
Two of them were Tories.
So nobody will be allowed to move around the world without notification of having had a jab? And you rubbish Vespas conspiracy thread?
UK's Covid vaccine minister suggests bars, cinemas and football stadiums could BAN Brits who haven't had jab as he admits No10 is looking at 'immunity passports' Baroness Dido Harding told NHS bosses her team was 'looking at' the plans They have been touted as a way to get swathes of society 'back to normal' Travel companies signalled their support, saying it could kick-start the industry
Nadhim Zahawi MP warned businesses may start requiring proof of vaccination in the same way they now ask customers to check-in on the NHS Covid-19 app using QR codes.
Australian airline Qantas hit the headlines last week after it said that all those wishing to take its flights would need to be vaccinated against Covid-19.
The carrier's boss, Alan Joyce, said the move was a 'necessity' and it was likely to become a 'common thing' for airlines around the world.
He warned, during an interview with Australia's Nine Network, the airline was looking at ways to change its terms and conditions for international travellers.
He said: 'We will ask people to have a vaccination before they can get on the aircraft for international visitors coming out and people leaving (Australia) we think that's a necessity'
More than happy for airlines, countries, stadiums, pubs, cinemas etc etc to want proof of vaccination.
Gives people the freedom of choice; those that want to get life back to some normality can take the vaccine and crack on, and those anti-vax nutjobs can choose to refuse it and face the social consequences.
So if the boss man/women of a company doesnt feel the need for a vaccine jab, then they won’t be allowed into their own offices/ factories?
Why wouldn't they ''feel the need'' for the vaccine?
If they are potentially that irresponsible then I'd imagine they will be removed/marginalised from their position. And if they are the 'boss boss', then they might wanna reconsider their stance to ensure the future of whatever their business might be. Or work from home forever.
Better off asking the 8 out of 10 that are asymptomatic, and the vast majority that supposedly have had it with no illness.
I'm asking you cos you raised it, can't you answer?
The fact that seemingly a lot of people have had it whilst showing no symptoms is part of the problem.
Corona creates a perfect virus storm; it's contagious, a lot of people could have it and not realise, a lot of people can have it with very mild symptoms, ultimately putting a lot of people at risk, particularly those in the vulnerable groups. And it is more deadly than your common flu, which already see's off thousands every year.
It's not just the death rates either of course. Some people are suffering with Covid for months, and our NHS doesn't have the resources to deal with a mass outbreak, even more so over winter.
Suppressing the virus to alleviate the pressure on the NHS and keep deaths to a minimum until a vaccine is rolled out is the aim of the game.
Thankfully, it looks like a vaccine might be edging closer, and also thankfully the anti-vax nutjobs seem to be a vocal minority.
Those that choose not to be vaccinated can face the social consequences.
I’m aware of the above. So then ,those encouraged to have a jab, which will likely be a high %, who do the unvaccinated catch it from? And even then, it will be a miniscule amount that would fall ill. It’s there choice. Unless it’s ya Costa Brava hol that’s the major concern. How ironic.
They will catch it from each other and also infect those that the vaccine hasnt been effective on.
Any vaccine wont be 100%.
I think you mean their.
So let’s say any of them are thought to be 90%+ effective, and millions get vaccinated. That leaves 10’s of thousands that aren’t protected who have had the jab. 1000’s of elderly die over the winter period, fact. I’d be more interested in the performance of this years flu jab. Whatever jabs are administered,thousands are due to die in the next few months. Fast forward to the head scratching .
People will die of all sorts of other causes and are irrelevant to the argument.
The population of the UK is around 67 million
Lets say plan A is to vaccinate everyone, and the vaccine is 90% effective. This would leave almost 7 million unprotected, and able to spread the virus, kill others, and make testing and tracing much easier to manage.
You seem to be supporting plan B. Which is to not vaccinate almost 12 million under 14s. Let up to 30% (over 20 million) to choose not to be vaccinated. Leaving around 35 million to be vaccinated, of which 3 and a half million would be ineffective. This plan leaves over 35 million people still spreading the virus, putting the NHS under pressure and killing people. This make testing and tracing much more difficult to manage.
Nobody with any sense would choose plan B.
Get vaccinated or stay in.
Nobody with any sense would read the papers or watch the news.
So what? And amplified by the media. Politicians lie, remember 💡
Two of them were Tories.
So nobody will be allowed to move around the world without notification of having had a jab? And you rubbish Vespas conspiracy thread?
UK's Covid vaccine minister suggests bars, cinemas and football stadiums could BAN Brits who haven't had jab as he admits No10 is looking at 'immunity passports' Baroness Dido Harding told NHS bosses her team was 'looking at' the plans They have been touted as a way to get swathes of society 'back to normal' Travel companies signalled their support, saying it could kick-start the industry
Nadhim Zahawi MP warned businesses may start requiring proof of vaccination in the same way they now ask customers to check-in on the NHS Covid-19 app using QR codes.
Australian airline Qantas hit the headlines last week after it said that all those wishing to take its flights would need to be vaccinated against Covid-19.
The carrier's boss, Alan Joyce, said the move was a 'necessity' and it was likely to become a 'common thing' for airlines around the world.
He warned, during an interview with Australia's Nine Network, the airline was looking at ways to change its terms and conditions for international travellers.
He said: 'We will ask people to have a vaccination before they can get on the aircraft for international visitors coming out and people leaving (Australia) we think that's a necessity'
More than happy for airlines, countries, stadiums, pubs, cinemas etc etc to want proof of vaccination.
Gives people the freedom of choice; those that want to get life back to some normality can take the vaccine and crack on, and those anti-vax nutjobs can choose to refuse it and face the social consequences.
So if the boss man/women of a company doesnt feel the need for a vaccine jab, then they won’t be allowed into their own offices/ factories?
Why wouldn't they ''feel the need'' for the vaccine?
If they are potentially that irresponsible then I'd imagine they will be removed/marginalised from their position. And if they are the 'boss boss', then they might wanna reconsider their stance to ensure the future of whatever their business might be. Or work from home forever.
Better off asking the 8 out of 10 that are asymptomatic, and the vast majority that supposedly have had it with no illness.
I'm asking you cos you raised it, can't you answer?
The fact that seemingly a lot of people have had it whilst showing no symptoms is part of the problem.
Corona creates a perfect virus storm; it's contagious, a lot of people could have it and not realise, a lot of people can have it with very mild symptoms, ultimately putting a lot of people at risk, particularly those in the vulnerable groups. And it is more deadly than your common flu, which already see's off thousands every year.
It's not just the death rates either of course. Some people are suffering with Covid for months, and our NHS doesn't have the resources to deal with a mass outbreak, even more so over winter.
Suppressing the virus to alleviate the pressure on the NHS and keep deaths to a minimum until a vaccine is rolled out is the aim of the game.
Thankfully, it looks like a vaccine might be edging closer, and also thankfully the anti-vax nutjobs seem to be a vocal minority.
Those that choose not to be vaccinated can face the social consequences.
I’m aware of the above. So then ,those encouraged to have a jab, which will likely be a high %, who do the unvaccinated catch it from? And even then, it will be a miniscule amount that would fall ill. It’s there choice. Unless it’s ya Costa Brava hol that’s the major concern. How ironic.
They will catch it from each other and also infect those that the vaccine hasnt been effective on.
Any vaccine wont be 100%.
I think you mean their.
So let’s say any of them are thought to be 90%+ effective, and millions get vaccinated. That leaves 10’s of thousands that aren’t protected who have had the jab. 1000’s of elderly die over the winter period, fact. I’d be more interested in the performance of this years flu jab. Whatever jabs are administered,thousands are due to die in the next few months. Fast forward to the head scratching .
People will die of all sorts of other causes and are irrelevant to the argument.
The population of the UK is around 67 million
Lets say plan A is to vaccinate everyone, and the vaccine is 90% effective. This would leave almost 7 million unprotected, and able to spread the virus, kill others, and make testing and tracing much easier to manage.
You seem to be supporting plan B. Which is to not vaccinate almost 12 million under 14s. Let up to 30% (over 20 million) to choose not to be vaccinated. Leaving around 35 million to be vaccinated, of which 3 and a half million would be ineffective. This plan leaves over 35 million people still spreading the virus, putting the NHS under pressure and killing people. This make testing and tracing much more difficult to manage.
Nobody with any sense would choose plan B.
Get vaccinated or stay in.
It wasn’t relevant to the argument when all these elderly deaths were put down as Covid deaths, regardless? So say 10% are unprotected that took a jab. Why did it not protect them, and what advice do those folks receive? How do they find out they aren’t protected? Keep going back to check for antibodies?
You are endlessly posting on lots of different threads about the fact that old people are more likely to die from the virus, as though you are the only person that knows this.
When you would have had to have been asleep for the last 9 or 10 months not to be aware of this.
I am not sure why you cant accept that a vaccine ends lockdowns, and will get life back to normal, as long as a very high percentage of the population get vaccinated.
I dont know why you cant see that the vaccine performs two roles, by protecting the vaccinated person from catching the virus, but also preventing them from infecting other, and may be more vulnerable people.
Older and more vulnerable people may be killed by their children or grandchildren, who may be in less danger themselves.
A proper vaccination programme would allow the number of infections to be controlled and managed as there would be far fewer cases.
I think you’re still in a state of befuddlement. You seem to think whatever vaccine they might eventually roll out, might get things back to normal. A vaccine roll out will just be the start of another story, like Brexit will be. A vaccine won’t be a Hallelujah moment. It would take months on end to roll out, and then who receives it? Do you give it to the terminally ill, young and old? The weak and frail that won’t have long left, too whom it will likely do more harm than good. To those with dementia etc, who can’t communicate how they are feeling? Are they testing it on people who are currently on a cocktail of drugs? Do you think it’s advisable to give it to folks currently undergoing cancer treatments etc? With millions of job losses,your going back to normal is a long way off.
I think you’re still in a state of befuddlement. You seem to think whatever vaccine they might eventually roll out, might get things back to normal. A vaccine roll out will just be the start of another story, like Brexit will be. A vaccine won’t be a Hallelujah moment. It would take months on end to roll out, and then who receives it? Do you give it to the terminally ill, young and old? The weak and frail that won’t have long left, too whom it will likely do more harm than good. To those with dementia etc, who can’t communicate how they are feeling? Are they testing it on people who are currently on a cocktail of drugs? Do you think it’s advisable to give it to folks currently undergoing cancer treatments etc? With millions of job losses,your going back to normal is a long way off.
The government have already published a list of those they will prioritise when it comes to vaccinations, try to keep up. This was done weeks ago. It may well be this time next year before it is completed. However it will make a massive difference if those that have been vaccinated are allowed to return to normality.
So the folks that have been made redundant are going back to work as normal? With thousands more to be made redundant in the future. I’m curious to find out what back to normal means to you. Striding out your front door with an air of confidence?
The cavalry has arrived on a somewhat bandy legged horse. Most kids were vaccinated at three or four years old. Kids that age are made to have jabs by their parents. I’ve never had a BCG. I know enough about the particular virus to make my own judgement. So your point is?
I can't work out if you're anti-vax, if you think the virus is a hoax, if you think Bill Gates is trying to track us with microchips, if you think we'll all turn into monkeys etc
Trying to understand the logic of a far right nutjob who posts gibberish is difficult, but I'm trying.
I can't work out if you're anti-vax, if you think the virus is a hoax, if you think Bill Gates is trying to track us with microchips, if you think we'll all turn into monkeys etc
Trying to understand the logic of a far right nutjob who posts gibberish is difficult, but I'm trying.
Hoping you can advise, in non-gibberish terms.
Well I can understand your desperation for a vaccination,as you’re obviously aware that moving lard about on a hospital bed takes up a lot of NHS resources. That situation is easily preventable though. So you think that somebody that decides they don’t want to take a vaccination is a nut job? You’re judging those that don’t by the protests you’ve either read about or seen on tv I presume. So you want to bully folks into getting a vaccination, when millions have already had the virus knowingly and unknowingly. Have these 20K+ new cases day after day not registered between your ears? Have they all died an agonising death? Think not. 3k new cases is acceptable, but 20k is not? Add all those up,then apply some math to hospitalisations. One in ten over 80yrs needs hospitalisation. About one in 180 0ver 80yrs might die from the virus. It’s quite clear who should be taking a vaccination, and I take it you presume all elderly will want one. You might not be correct in that line of thinking. I think you’ll find that the attention on the anti vaxers is for those not to influence folks that should maybe have a jab. I don’t think I need one, which doesn’t seem to be registering with you. Tough. All the folks at those raves,Uni parties,Agriculture workers,protest marchers, crowded beaches, “ illegal” house parties,all those returning from abroad carrying the virus. Where are they now? I think you’ve got a very weak case in wanting everybody vaccinated, but if you’re scared, so be it. Are you missing your pie and pint?
I can't work out if you're anti-vax, if you think the virus is a hoax, if you think Bill Gates is trying to track us with microchips, if you think we'll all turn into monkeys etc
Trying to understand the logic of a far right nutjob who posts gibberish is difficult, but I'm trying.
Hoping you can advise, in non-gibberish terms.
He never has a stance.
He just likes to argue.
Those that are vaccinated should be allowed to go to work, football matches, pubs, restaurants, on holiday, cinemas, theatres etc etc.
Unvaccinated travellers from abroad should not be allowed to enter the country.
Unvaccinated Brits should have to stay home.
Deliberately falsely claiming to have been vaccinated should be punishable with a bit of porridge.
I guess I was naive to hope you'd offer a non-gibberish reply.
So, you don't think you need a vaccine. That's cool, what are you basing that on? Is there a medical condition you suffer from that might prevent you from being vaccinated?
What are you basing the 1 in 10 and 1 in 180 elderly stat on please? A link to your source is fine.
From the info I can find, the UK has had 1,629,657 cases of COVID19, with 58,448 deaths. This is running at around 3.5%.
I'm sure you'll agree that's a high death rate for a disease we currently have no vaccination against.
Thankfully, it looks like we are edging closer and can start to get people vaccinated in the coming weeks and months.
Those choosing not to be vaccinated is entirely their right, but they might find themselves socially ostracized.
I think most level headed people will take the vaccine, and they can look forward to a return of some kind of normality.
I guess I was naive to hope you'd offer a non-gibberish reply.
So, you don't think you need a vaccine. That's cool, what are you basing that on? Is there a medical condition you suffer from that might prevent you from being vaccinated?
What are you basing the 1 in 10 and 1 in 180 elderly stat on please? A link to your source is fine.
From the info I can find, the UK has had 1,629,657 cases of COVID19, with 58,448 deaths. This is running at around 3.5%.
I'm sure you'll agree that's a high death rate for a disease we currently have no vaccination against.
Thankfully, it looks like we are edging closer and can start to get people vaccinated in the coming weeks and months.
Those choosing not to be vaccinated is entirely their right, but they might find themselves socially ostracized.
I think most level headed people will take the vaccine, and they can look forward to a return of some kind of normality.
I agree with most of this. But, as @chilling seems to be getting battered on this one, thought I would just add a couple of points in relation to this, in relation to the bits I have put in bold.
1. It is not only @chilling who is using made up statistics. Those figures you quote are equally dodgy-not your fault, but the fault of those in charge. The Government is sure that the true death rate is less than 1%. The Government believes that there have been far more instances, and those death figures relate to people dying with it, rather than of it-much like the misleading figures given by @chilling in relation to pneumonia
2. As you rightly say, it is going to take weeks and months to roll this out. Note that no-one in power is giving any timescale. Meanwhile 1 of the vaccine makers says that the vaccine may only provide protection for the next 12 months.
Vaccines will undoubtedly help. But they are not the whole answer.
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With a few clauses just in case you need to put in a claim.
The population of the UK is around 67 million
Lets say plan A is to vaccinate everyone, and the vaccine is 90% effective.
This would leave almost 7 million unprotected, and able to spread the virus, kill others, and make testing and tracing much easier to manage.
You seem to be supporting plan B.
Which is to not vaccinate almost 12 million under 14s.
Let up to 30% (over 20 million) to choose not to be vaccinated.
Leaving around 35 million to be vaccinated, of which 3 and a half million would be ineffective.
This plan leaves over 35 million people still spreading the virus, putting the NHS under pressure and killing people.
This make testing and tracing much more difficult to manage.
Nobody with any sense would choose plan B.
Get vaccinated or stay in.
So say 10% are unprotected that took a jab.
Why did it not protect them, and what advice do those folks receive?
How do they find out they aren’t protected?
Keep going back to check for antibodies?
“ Take your protein pills and put your helmet on “.
When you would have had to have been asleep for the last 9 or 10 months not to be aware of this.
I am not sure why you cant accept that a vaccine ends lockdowns, and will get life back to normal, as long as a very high percentage of the population get vaccinated.
I dont know why you cant see that the vaccine performs two roles, by protecting the vaccinated person from catching the virus, but also preventing them from infecting other, and may be more vulnerable people.
Older and more vulnerable people may be killed by their children or grandchildren, who may be in less danger themselves.
A proper vaccination programme would allow the number of infections to be controlled and managed as there would be far fewer cases.
You seem to think whatever vaccine they might eventually roll out, might get things back to normal. A vaccine roll out will just be the start of another story, like Brexit will be.
A vaccine won’t be a Hallelujah moment. It would take months on end to roll out, and then who receives it?
Do you give it to the terminally ill, young and old?
The weak and frail that won’t have long left, too whom it will likely do more harm than good.
To those with dementia etc, who can’t communicate how they are feeling?
Are they testing it on people who are currently on a cocktail of drugs?
Do you think it’s advisable to give it to folks currently undergoing cancer treatments etc?
With millions of job losses,your going back to normal is a long way off.
This was done weeks ago.
It may well be this time next year before it is completed.
However it will make a massive difference if those that have been vaccinated are allowed to return to normality.
With thousands more to be made redundant in the future.
I’m curious to find out what back to normal means to you.
Striding out your front door with an air of confidence?
Most kids were vaccinated at three or four years old.
Kids that age are made to have jabs by their parents.
I’ve never had a BCG.
I know enough about the particular virus to make my own judgement.
So your point is?
I can't work out if you're anti-vax, if you think the virus is a hoax, if you think Bill Gates is trying to track us with microchips, if you think we'll all turn into monkeys etc
Trying to understand the logic of a far right nutjob who posts gibberish is difficult, but I'm trying.
Hoping you can advise, in non-gibberish terms.
So you think that somebody that decides they don’t want to take a vaccination is a nut job?
You’re judging those that don’t by the protests you’ve either read about or seen on tv I presume.
So you want to bully folks into getting a vaccination, when millions have already had the virus knowingly and unknowingly.
Have these 20K+ new cases day after day not registered between your ears? Have they all died an agonising death? Think not. 3k new cases is acceptable, but 20k is not?
Add all those up,then apply some math to hospitalisations.
One in ten over 80yrs needs hospitalisation.
About one in 180 0ver 80yrs might die from the virus.
It’s quite clear who should be taking a vaccination, and I take it you presume all elderly will want one. You might not be correct in that line of thinking.
I think you’ll find that the attention on the anti vaxers is for those not to influence folks that should maybe have a jab.
I don’t think I need one, which doesn’t seem to be registering with you. Tough.
All the folks at those raves,Uni parties,Agriculture workers,protest marchers, crowded beaches,
“ illegal” house parties,all those returning from abroad carrying the virus. Where are they now?
I think you’ve got a very weak case in wanting everybody vaccinated, but if you’re scared, so be it.
Are you missing your pie and pint?
He just likes to argue.
Those that are vaccinated should be allowed to go to work, football matches, pubs, restaurants, on holiday, cinemas, theatres etc etc.
Unvaccinated travellers from abroad should not be allowed to enter the country.
Unvaccinated Brits should have to stay home.
Deliberately falsely claiming to have been vaccinated should be punishable with a bit of porridge.
Vaccinated Brits could return to a normal life.
So, you don't think you need a vaccine.
That's cool, what are you basing that on?
Is there a medical condition you suffer from that might prevent you from being vaccinated?
What are you basing the 1 in 10 and 1 in 180 elderly stat on please?
A link to your source is fine.
From the info I can find, the UK has had 1,629,657 cases of COVID19, with 58,448 deaths. This is running at around 3.5%.
I'm sure you'll agree that's a high death rate for a disease we currently have no vaccination against.
Thankfully, it looks like we are edging closer and can start to get people vaccinated in the coming weeks and months.
Those choosing not to be vaccinated is entirely their right, but they might find themselves socially ostracized.
I think most level headed people will take the vaccine, and they can look forward to a return of some kind of normality.
1. It is not only @chilling who is using made up statistics. Those figures you quote are equally dodgy-not your fault, but the fault of those in charge.
The Government is sure that the true death rate is less than 1%. The Government believes that there have been far more instances, and those death figures relate to people dying with it, rather than of it-much like the misleading figures given by @chilling in relation to pneumonia
2. As you rightly say, it is going to take weeks and months to roll this out. Note that no-one in power is giving any timescale. Meanwhile 1 of the vaccine makers says that the vaccine may only provide protection for the next 12 months.
Vaccines will undoubtedly help. But they are not the whole answer.