A little tip. If you feel you might have symptoms, get checked out. Don’t sit at home and isolate, then call for an ambulance or go to the hospital under your own steam, with a nice bid viral load. There are too many idiots waiting until they are at deaths door before doing owt.( that is what Boris would like to tell the nation, but can’t.)
And what about the self employed that run their own businesses. Are they going to fold because they refuse a jab? LMFAO.
No they should obviously be allowed to just carry on as normal and infect and kill others.
Are you **** ting your pants? Have you forgotten that restaurants, pubs , shops etc have been open with no masks?
Why would I?
The comment that you are referring to was made on another thread.
It was entitled confusion, and dealt with the confusing communication that the government was responsible for.
The point that I was making has clearly gone over your head.
I will try and explain it more simply.
At the time the government was insisting that they were following the science.
The rule was that if you entered a sandwich shop with a view to purchasing a takeaway, you had to wear a mask.
However if you intended to eat on the premises you didnt have to wear one.
You dont have to explain the difficulty of eating with a mask on.
I just wondered about the science.
The fact that those purchasing takeaways were at some risk, otherwise they wouldnt be instructed to wear masks.
How did the science eliminate this risk merely by consuming food in the same premises.
That was my point.
If it was safe for those consuming food, then why were the risks greater for someone popping into the same premises for a takeaway sandwich.
What made the risks greater?
Very similar to 30 allowed to a funeral, but only 6 to a wedding, and gyms shut in Liverpool, but open elsewhere in the same tier, golf and tennis ok one day, but not the next.
Its all very clear.
Following the science is one thing, applying the science to running an economy is another. This is something you have difficulty in grasping. Scientists do science. From early on,it was stated things would open and close,that’s was made quite clear. Exactly the same as over countries have done, or are doing. With the combination of the science and the plans they decide to trial,unfortunately we have an abundance of idiots that need to be factored into the equation. Do scousers work out?😱
More deflection because you cant answer the question.
What are over countries?
Over there🖕Over there 👉over there👇and over there👈
We are that thin island surrounded by all those wonderful fish, if you need help on your geography.🌍
So that sentence is supposed to make sense?
Exactly the same as over countries have done, or are doing.
A little tip. If you feel you might have symptoms, get checked out. Don’t sit at home and isolate, then call for an ambulance or go to the hospital under your own steam, with a nice bid viral load. There are too many idiots waiting until they are at deaths door before doing owt.( that is what Boris would like to tell the nation, but can’t.)
A little tip. If you feel you might have symptoms, get checked out. Don’t sit at home and isolate, then call for an ambulance or go to the hospital under your own steam, with a nice bid viral load. There are too many idiots waiting until they are at deaths door before doing owt.( that is what Boris would like to tell the nation, but can’t.)
So what? And amplified by the media. Politicians lie, remember 💡
Two of them were Tories.
So nobody will be allowed to move around the world without notification of having had a jab? And you rubbish Vespas conspiracy thread?
So you dont believe the Tories now?
I don’t believe any f ucker. Wtg.
Is there any need for abusive language?
As I’ve got five minutes. Abusive language? The above is an expression of disdain. In fact, it’s quite similar to your fav, BS.
Not that I watch films,and have never seen any of the below, some have won Oscars and BAFTA’s for using the same or similar. Samuel l Jackson being one of the most notorious. And you’ve likely paid to listen to that. Where’s my Oscar?
Vaccine(s) blah blah blah, if ever rolled out they will just be the beginning of another story. Probably followed by the media every second of every day, what fun. A clean sweep for the journalists at the awards next year. Bigger celebs than the footie players, or so they like to think.
No insults from me. I’m just curious as to how you see this
You accept that Coronavjrus is deadly and has killed many thousands of people? Assuming you do agree with this then why would a vaccine that could save many thousands of lives not be a good thing?
Surely even if it is a very small % of people, as you state, who actually succumb to Covid would it not be marvellous that we could now save them?
Ah, finally somebody without an agenda.
You have replied to a post which asked you 3 questions, without managing to answer any of them, as usual. What makes you the judge of whether someone has an agenda or not? What agenda would anyone have on a poker forum?
It’s common knowledge that there are different strains of this virus, all of which will potentially have a different affect on different individuals. This all adds up to finding a vaccine that is suitable to treat all age groups and different states of health , near impossible.
I had a flu jab yesterday, which apparently protects against 3 strains.
The media states the world needs billions of doses, why? Have the graveyards and crems been full of kids? 8 out of 10 that test positive have no symptoms, as their immune system have won the battle before it even started.
You would vaccinate kids to stop them infecting others, and killing off their parents, grandparents, teachers, bus drivers, etc, etc. There has been a consensus from the start that the only way out would be via a vaccine.
You look at the worldometer charts, which can be confusing, but not when you search for the health stats and care systems for individual countries.
Every country in the western world will vaccinate their citizens, and help poorer countries do the same.
It’s not just the “ standard” vulnerable that get hit. Some of those countries have bad diets and heavy drinkers to blame for their counts. Russia, Poland, Ukraine etc. I would focus more on the health aspect than a vaccine, prevention.
They will still vaccinate.
So back to the vaccine. The elderly are the ones that are the coming off worse, by far.It’s also common knowledge that the elderly can easily get pneumonia after influenza. So why are big Pharma looking for a magic bullet for this virus, when the annual flu jab has about a 50% success rate? Who is responsible for the deaths in previous years for a poor performing vaccine?
They have produced a list in order of priority of who would get vaccinated first.
There are obviously going to be several vaccines, so who decides which one to go with?
The government, presumably after taking scientific advice.
Nobody will know if they are any good for a couple of years imo.
Why bother testing them then?
So when you look back, how many lives are going to be saved? Answer. You won’t know. If you believe the numbers ( which I don’t) this virus is still sitting very low on the causes of death this year.
Each month stats are produced on excess deaths. Deaths are only attributed to covid if a positive test has occurred within 28 days of the death. Once a reasonable percentage of the population has been vaccinated, you would surely expect covid deaths to reduce substantially. Although it would be difficult at any point to pinpoint the number of lives saved. How could you predict how many lives have been saved by mask wearing or social distancing, yet the majority of the population are complying?
Something needs to change regarding the elderly populations health imo.
They need to get vaccinated to stop them dying from covid, and infecting others.
Better diets, more exercise where possible. Spend money and research on that. I’ve worked in several care homes over the years. Same old routine,get them washed and dressed, then fed, then sit them down for hours on end. No wonder their immune systems are poor.( not as a care worker) Trying to find ways to improve the immune system of the elderly in the future is more important than vaccines imo.
I take my hat off to you. You are an expert on everything. On the elderly, because you have been in a couple of care homes. On racism, because you have had a non white girlfriend. You might not have noticed but thousands of elderly people have died from covid. A vaccine may well put an end to them dying in huge numbers from the virus.
Let’s see if all the pneumonia and influenza cases get mixed together with the Covid numbers this winter. I can answer that, you won’t know.
They have a procedure for what they include. Probably impossible to avoid a small number slipping through the net. Although I think that the government will try to keep covid deaths to a minimum. Vaccinating them will accomplish this.
So all in all,you won’t know what small % are saved by a vaccine(s) to fight another day. “ A good thing”? You won’t know. How could vaccinating the population not reduce deaths.
In fact, with so many elderly having so many different illnesses,you won’t even know if it was the vaccine that killed them.
Really?
If it’s a bad winter for flu,then you won’t be able to make head nor tail of any of the numbers.
Excess deaths.
To summarise. You have answered a post that asked you 3 questions without being able to answer any of them. Here I am again having to remind you of what the thread is about. The first post on the thread was about a Tory MP suggesting that those that refused the vaccine, may not be allowed into the workplace. Hence the title of the thread. The second article was by another Tory MP calling anti-vaxxers nutters. In my mind the lines of the debate were set. Could the government make vaccinations compulsory, could people lose access to their workplace, and are anti-vaxxers nutters? You, on the other hand see a completely different debate where you cant answer direct questions, as usual, and think that kids are unaffected by the virus, people in Russia, Poland, and Ukraine having bad diets, and drinking a lot, elderly people getting pneumonia, and influenza, in addition to better diets and more exercise, as well as improving their immune system, the prospect of the vaccine killing them off, are somehow relevant to this debate.
Pfizer now says its Covid-19 vaccine is safe, 95% effective, works for older people and will be ready for approval by the end of the week... days after Moderna's jab breakthrough
US-based Pfizer and German pharmaceutical company BioNTech said last week that clinical trial results showed their vaccine was 90 per cent effective, but they have since upgraded the figure after the end of their clinical trial (pictured right: a scientist at a Pfizer lab in St Louis, Missouri). More than 40,000 people took part in the research (pictured inset, a man in Turkey getting vaccinated). Of the approximately 20,000 people given the coronavirus jab, only eight caught the virus. This compared to 162 people in the group given a fake vaccine to compare the results with. The UK has already pre-ordered 40million doses of the jab and could get 10m of them before the end of this year. Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the NHS was gearing up to start giving out from December 1.
Hallelujah a vaccine! Or two or three or ten. The one with the frothy top looks nice. I can see by your questions that you’re nearly hysterical and in total befuddlement. So, maybe I’ll go easy on you. Nah. I may waiver from the thread title, but I can’t be ars ed to go from thread to thread. In any case , it’s just a thread. Btw,is it about 400 threads in the last six months? In order to encourage debate? You’d be better off sending the odd PM to your buds, as as you’re not pulling in any new punters. Were you in sales? Do you know your market? You need to smarten up your act. Anyway, on to buisness.
Well done you, a flu jab that covers three strains. Let’s hope their guess work is correct, and there are not more strains. Actually I have seen info that links last years flu jab to folks that caught this particular virus early, and the outcome wasn’t good.Ill save that though,wouldn’t want to make anybody edgy. I’m going to cover some ground here, so stay alert if poss. A bit off scrolling to finish with as well😱
The strain in Asia was the milder version,but it’s possible that our super duper deadly strain has made it back there. So originally you had a milder strain circulating in a relatively healthy population. Unfortunately, the western countries let themselves down on that front. See below. The west have far more soft targets. If anybody thinks lovely,I’ve had my vaccine,let’s queue up outside Greggs, then they are missing the point. Good luck to them. Here we find out why there is probably so many excess deaths. Unhealthy folks lounging about at home,heart attacks, dvt , worry and stress etc. You really do need to look at the world picture to get a handle on what’s going on. We are supposedly the fifth richest countries in the world, but healthwise , oh dear. Somebody said they see Geoff Hurst. My mates sister does work for him,basically putting what he wants to say with the correct grammar and punctuation and other stuff with websites. The point is, he’s in his seventies, and does still go to the gym ( when it was open) but can now be seen in his local park, doing a bit. So there’s no excuse if age is what puts folks off. There’s no point in whinging you’re vulnerable,when it’s self inflicted.
You’re gonna like this next bit, not a lot. These Covid deniers, of course they’re not. They’ve all had colds and flu in the past. This virus is so similar to pneumonia,but can multiply much faster, so it can obviously be worse for some folks, with the more severe strain. It’s debatable on what the death rate is, the WHO thinks it’s 0.6%, that’s obviously still a lot of deaths worldwide. The deniers are simply pointing out that it’s not as deadly as it’s made out, stats back that up, for all to see. Attention seekers mainly, but I can’t blame them regarding the trashing of our economy. Time will tell, you’ll see. I’m not bothered by the death numbers going up, that’s a given over the next few most under normal conditions. As for taking a vaccine, it’s ones own choice, as it should always be. This virus isn’t the Black Death,and so few proportionately will die. People die, 500k a year.What’s all the jaw dropping about, when that number dies per year? Of course, the media. In a pandemic, wouldn’t you expect a few more? Does young HAYSIE expect nobody to die at all until a vaccine or two is rolled out? Dream on. Flu still kills the elderly and others,whether they’ve had a vaccine or not, that’s fact. So I wonder why the uptake of the yearly vaccine is indeed not as high as you might think. It’s even lower in other countries. See below. Merkel thinks Germany could have up to 40% of the German population in the vulnerable group. Too much good living, **** e diets. There could be a price to pay.
You seem to think everybody worldwide will in some way be ordered to take vaccines? Is that because countries have put orders in? Don’t hold your breath on that one. Just start a newspaper thread if you want to believe all you here.
Test and trace is a load of old boll ocks,not with so many cases. You’ll only find a relative hot spot. A vaccine is likely to be hit and miss. Fast forward, everybody holding there breath after the initial rollout. Zzzzz.
Hallelujah a vaccine! Or two or three or ten. The one with the frothy top looks nice. I can see by your questions that you’re nearly hysterical and in total befuddlement. So, maybe I’ll go easy on you. Nah. I may waiver from the thread title, but I can’t be ars ed to go from thread to thread. In any case , it’s just a thread. Btw,is it about 400 threads in the last six months? In order to encourage debate? You’d be better off sending the odd PM to your buds, as as you’re not pulling in any new punters. Were you in sales? Do you know your market? You need to smarten up your act. Anyway, on to buisness.
Well done you, a flu jab that covers three strains. Let’s hope their guess work is correct, and there are not more strains. Actually I have seen info that links last years flu jab to folks that caught this particular virus early, and the outcome wasn’t good.Ill save that though,wouldn’t want to make anybody edgy. I’m going to cover some ground here, so stay alert if poss. A bit off scrolling to finish with as well😱
The strain in Asia was the milder version,but it’s possible that our super duper deadly strain has made it back there. So originally you had a milder strain circulating in a relatively healthy population. Unfortunately, the western countries let themselves down on that front. See below. The west have far more soft targets. If anybody thinks lovely,I’ve had my vaccine,let’s queue up outside Greggs, then they are missing the point. Good luck to them. Here we find out why there is probably so many excess deaths. Unhealthy folks lounging about at home,heart attacks, dvt , worry and stress etc. You really do need to look at the world picture to get a handle on what’s going on. We are supposedly the fifth richest countries in the world, but healthwise , oh dear. Somebody said they see Geoff Hurst. My mates sister does work for him,basically putting what he wants to say with the correct grammar and punctuation and other stuff with websites. The point is, he’s in his seventies, and does still go to the gym ( when it was open) but can now be seen in his local park, doing a bit. So there’s no excuse if age is what puts folks off. There’s no point in whinging you’re vulnerable,when it’s self inflicted.
You’re gonna like this next bit, not a lot. These Covid deniers, of course they’re not. They’ve all had colds and flu in the past. This virus is so similar to pneumonia,but can multiply much faster, so it can obviously be worse for some folks, with the more severe strain. It’s debatable on what the death rate is, the WHO thinks it’s 0.6%, that’s obviously still a lot of deaths worldwide. The deniers are simply pointing out that it’s not as deadly as it’s made out, stats back that up, for all to see. Attention seekers mainly, but I can’t blame them regarding the trashing of our economy. Time will tell, you’ll see. I’m not bothered by the death numbers going up, that’s a given over the next few most under normal conditions. As for taking a vaccine, it’s ones own choice, as it should always be. This virus isn’t the Black Death,and so few proportionately will die. People die, 500k a year.What’s all the jaw dropping about, when that number dies per year? Of course, the media. In a pandemic, wouldn’t you expect a few more? Does young HAYSIE expect nobody to die at all until a vaccine or two is rolled out? Dream on. Flu still kills the elderly and others,whether they’ve had a vaccine or not, that’s fact. So I wonder why the uptake of the yearly vaccine is indeed not as high as you might think. It’s even lower in other countries. See below. Merkel thinks Germany could have up to 40% of the German population in the vulnerable group. Too much good living, **** e diets. There could be a price to pay.
You seem to think everybody worldwide will in some way be ordered to take vaccines? Is that because countries have put orders in? Don’t hold your breath on that one. Just start a newspaper thread if you want to believe all you here.
US-based Pfizer and German pharmaceutical company BioNTech said last week that clinical trial results showed their vaccine was 90 per cent effective, but they have since upgraded the figure after the end of their clinical trial (pictured right: a scientist at a Pfizer lab in St Louis, Missouri). More than 40,000 people took part in the research (pictured inset, a man in Turkey getting vaccinated). Of the approximately 20,000 people given the coronavirus jab, only eight caught the virus. This compared to 162 people in the group given a fake vaccine to compare the results with. The UK has already pre-ordered 40million doses of the jab and could get 10m of them before the end of this year. Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the NHS was gearing up to start giving out from December 1.
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Exactly the same as over countries have done, or are doing.
No wonder you keep getting your posts deleted.
Outrageous.
Abusive language?
The above is an expression of disdain.
In fact, it’s quite similar to your fav, BS.
Not that I watch films,and have never seen any of the below, some have won Oscars and BAFTA’s for using the same or similar. Samuel l Jackson being one of the most notorious.
And you’ve likely paid to listen to that. Where’s my Oscar?
Vaccine(s) blah blah blah, if ever rolled out they will just be the beginning of another story.
Probably followed by the media every second of every day, what fun.
A clean sweep for the journalists at the awards next year.
Bigger celebs than the footie players, or so they like to think.
@chilling
Ah, finally somebody without an agenda.You have replied to a post which asked you 3 questions, without managing to answer any of them, as usual.
What makes you the judge of whether someone has an agenda or not?
What agenda would anyone have on a poker forum?
It’s common knowledge that there are different strains of this virus, all of which will potentially have a different affect on different individuals. This all adds up to finding a vaccine that is suitable to treat all age groups and different states of health , near impossible.
I had a flu jab yesterday, which apparently protects against 3 strains.
The media states the world needs billions of doses, why? Have the graveyards and crems been full of kids? 8 out of 10 that test positive have no symptoms, as their immune system have won the battle before it even started.
You would vaccinate kids to stop them infecting others, and killing off their parents, grandparents, teachers, bus drivers, etc, etc.
There has been a consensus from the start that the only way out would be via a vaccine.
You look at the worldometer charts, which can be confusing, but not when you search for the health stats and care systems for individual countries.
Every country in the western world will vaccinate their citizens, and help poorer countries do the same.
It’s not just the “ standard” vulnerable that get hit. Some of those countries have bad diets and heavy drinkers to blame for their counts. Russia, Poland, Ukraine etc.
I would focus more on the health aspect than a vaccine, prevention.
They will still vaccinate.
So back to the vaccine.
The elderly are the ones that are the coming off worse, by far.It’s also common knowledge that the elderly can easily get pneumonia after influenza. So why are big Pharma looking for a magic bullet for this virus, when the annual flu jab has about a 50% success rate? Who is responsible for the deaths in previous years for a poor performing vaccine?
They have produced a list in order of priority of who would get vaccinated first.
There are obviously going to be several vaccines, so who decides which one to go with?
The government, presumably after taking scientific advice.
Nobody will know if they are any good for a couple of years imo.
Why bother testing them then?
So when you look back, how many lives are going to be saved? Answer. You won’t know.
If you believe the numbers ( which I don’t) this virus is still sitting very low on the causes of death this year.
Each month stats are produced on excess deaths.
Deaths are only attributed to covid if a positive test has occurred within 28 days of the death.
Once a reasonable percentage of the population has been vaccinated, you would surely expect covid deaths to reduce substantially.
Although it would be difficult at any point to pinpoint the number of lives saved.
How could you predict how many lives have been saved by mask wearing or social distancing, yet the majority of the population are complying?
Something needs to change regarding the elderly populations health imo.
They need to get vaccinated to stop them dying from covid, and infecting others.
Better diets, more exercise where possible. Spend money and research on that.
I’ve worked in several care homes over the years. Same old routine,get them washed and dressed, then fed, then sit them down for hours on end. No wonder their immune systems are poor.( not as a care worker)
Trying to find ways to improve the immune system of the elderly in the future is more important than vaccines imo.
I take my hat off to you.
You are an expert on everything.
On the elderly, because you have been in a couple of care homes.
On racism, because you have had a non white girlfriend.
You might not have noticed but thousands of elderly people have died from covid.
A vaccine may well put an end to them dying in huge numbers from the virus.
Let’s see if all the pneumonia and influenza cases get mixed together with the Covid numbers this winter. I can answer that, you won’t know.
They have a procedure for what they include.
Probably impossible to avoid a small number slipping through the net.
Although I think that the government will try to keep covid deaths to a minimum.
Vaccinating them will accomplish this.
So all in all,you won’t know what small % are saved by a vaccine(s) to fight another day.
“ A good thing”? You won’t know.
How could vaccinating the population not reduce deaths.
In fact, with so many elderly having so many different illnesses,you won’t even know if it was the vaccine that killed them.
Really?
If it’s a bad winter for flu,then you won’t be able to make head nor tail of any of the numbers.
Excess deaths.
To summarise.
You have answered a post that asked you 3 questions without being able to answer any of them.
Here I am again having to remind you of what the thread is about.
The first post on the thread was about a Tory MP suggesting that those that refused the vaccine, may not be allowed into the workplace.
Hence the title of the thread.
The second article was by another Tory MP calling anti-vaxxers nutters.
In my mind the lines of the debate were set.
Could the government make vaccinations compulsory, could people lose access to their workplace, and are anti-vaxxers nutters?
You, on the other hand see a completely different debate where you cant answer direct questions, as usual, and think that kids are unaffected by the virus, people in Russia, Poland, and Ukraine having bad diets, and drinking a lot, elderly people getting pneumonia, and influenza, in addition to better diets and more exercise, as well as improving their immune system, the prospect of the vaccine killing them off, are somehow relevant to this debate.
You bumped into Charlie Hebdo recently?
Perhaps during one of your Care Home tours?
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US-based Pfizer and German pharmaceutical company BioNTech said last week that clinical trial results showed their vaccine was 90 per cent effective, but they have since upgraded the figure after the end of their clinical trial (pictured right: a scientist at a Pfizer lab in St Louis, Missouri). More than 40,000 people took part in the research (pictured inset, a man in Turkey getting vaccinated). Of the approximately 20,000 people given the coronavirus jab, only eight caught the virus. This compared to 162 people in the group given a fake vaccine to compare the results with. The UK has already pre-ordered 40million doses of the jab and could get 10m of them before the end of this year. Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the NHS was gearing up to start giving out from December 1.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8961697/Pfizer-claims-coronavirus-jab-95-effective-days-Modernas-breakthrough.html
I can see by your questions that you’re nearly hysterical and in total befuddlement.
So, maybe I’ll go easy on you. Nah.
I may waiver from the thread title, but I can’t be ars ed to go from thread to thread. In any case , it’s just a thread.
Btw,is it about 400 threads in the last six months? In order to encourage debate?
You’d be better off sending the odd PM to your buds, as as you’re not pulling in any new punters.
Were you in sales? Do you know your market? You need to smarten up your act. Anyway, on to buisness.
Well done you, a flu jab that covers three strains. Let’s hope their guess work is correct, and there are not more strains. Actually I have seen info that links last years flu jab to folks that caught this particular virus early, and the outcome wasn’t good.Ill save that though,wouldn’t want to make anybody edgy.
I’m going to cover some ground here, so stay alert if poss. A bit off scrolling to finish with as well😱
The strain in Asia was the milder version,but it’s possible that our super duper deadly strain has made it back there. So originally you had a milder strain circulating in a relatively healthy population. Unfortunately, the western countries let themselves down on that front. See below.
The west have far more soft targets. If anybody thinks lovely,I’ve had my vaccine,let’s queue up outside Greggs, then they are missing the point. Good luck to them.
Here we find out why there is probably so many excess deaths. Unhealthy folks lounging about at home,heart attacks, dvt , worry and stress etc. You really do need to look at the world picture to get a handle on what’s going on.
We are supposedly the fifth richest countries in the world, but healthwise , oh dear.
Somebody said they see Geoff Hurst. My mates sister does work for him,basically putting what he wants to say with the correct grammar and punctuation and other stuff with websites.
The point is, he’s in his seventies, and does still go to the gym ( when it was open) but can now be seen in his local park, doing a bit. So there’s no excuse if age is what puts folks off.
There’s no point in whinging you’re vulnerable,when it’s self inflicted.
You’re gonna like this next bit, not a lot.
These Covid deniers, of course they’re not. They’ve all had colds and flu in the past.
This virus is so similar to pneumonia,but can multiply much faster, so it can obviously be worse for some folks, with the more severe strain. It’s debatable on what the death rate is, the WHO thinks it’s 0.6%, that’s obviously still a lot of deaths worldwide.
The deniers are simply pointing out that it’s not as deadly as it’s made out, stats back that up, for all to see. Attention seekers mainly, but I can’t blame them regarding the trashing of our economy.
Time will tell, you’ll see. I’m not bothered by the death numbers going up, that’s a given over the next few most under normal conditions. As for taking a vaccine, it’s ones own choice, as it should always be. This virus isn’t the Black Death,and so few proportionately will die.
People die, 500k a year.What’s all the jaw dropping about, when that number dies per year?
Of course, the media. In a pandemic, wouldn’t you expect a few more?
Does young HAYSIE expect nobody to die at all until a vaccine or two is rolled out? Dream on.
Flu still kills the elderly and others,whether they’ve had a vaccine or not, that’s fact.
So I wonder why the uptake of the yearly vaccine is indeed not as high as you might think.
It’s even lower in other countries. See below.
Merkel thinks Germany could have up to 40% of the German population in the vulnerable group.
Too much good living, **** e diets. There could be a price to pay.
You seem to think everybody worldwide will in some way be ordered to take vaccines? Is that because countries have put orders in? Don’t hold your breath on that one.
Just start a newspaper thread if you want to believe all you here.
A vaccine is likely to be hit and miss.
Fast forward, everybody holding there breath after the initial rollout. Zzzzz.
How’s the sniffles HAYSIE?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8961697/Pfizer-claims-coronavirus-jab-95-effective-days-Modernas-breakthrough.html