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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,111
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Always been fascinated by the British obsession with pounds and ounces.

    The full name of the "British" pound (lb) is the Avoirdupois Pound. It is French :)

    How much do you think companies will have to spend changing signage, petrol pumps etc?
    They won't "have" to spend anything. Unless it becomes compulsory to use imperial and metric. Which would be unlikely. I'm sure some Companies will make a great deal of this-but in reality it will be part of their marketing strategy.

    Like the Australian owner of Spoons. Telling me how to be British :)
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Always been fascinated by the British obsession with pounds and ounces.

    The full name of the "British" pound (lb) is the Avoirdupois Pound. It is French :)

    How much do you think companies will have to spend changing signage, petrol pumps etc?
    They won't "have" to spend anything. Unless it becomes compulsory to use imperial and metric. Which would be unlikely. I'm sure some Companies will make a great deal of this-but in reality it will be part of their marketing strategy.

    Like the Australian owner of Spoons. Telling me how to be British :)

    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
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    16 Sep
    @BorisJohnson
    Hello Boris. Weights and Measures Inspector here. Sorry to dispel your latest bit of kite flying.

    1. The UK transferring to metric measures had **** all to do with our EU membership. (1)
    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
    2. The UK agreed, when it signed the OIML treaty in 1856 to move to a single system of measurement (S.I. units). Metric measures have been lawful in the UK since 1875. (2)

    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
    ·
    16 Sep
    Replying to
    @PippaMusgrave1
    3. Are you proposing the UK leaves the OIML treaty? (3)
    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
    ·
    16 Sep
    4. Only Myanmar and the USA currently use imperial measures (US measures are actually slightly different). How does this play with your claim of 'Global Britain'? (4)
    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
    ·
    16 Sep
    5. We have a national shortage of Weights and Measures Inspectors. Are you going to pay for new inspectors to be trained (which currently takes 6 years)?


    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
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    16 Sep
    6. Certificates of approval for imperial metrological equipment have long since lapsed. Will you subsidise the industry cost of certification?
    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
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    16 Sep
    Most imperial local standards and testing equipment have long been retired. Will you subsidise Local Authorities for the cost of this equipment and the creation of new metrological laboratories?
    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
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    16 Sep
    A local standard mass comparator costs £30,000. Are you willing to spend many millions of pounds reintroducing such equipment?


    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
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    16 Sep
    Imperial measurements have not been taught in schools since the mid 1970s. Indeed, to have been taught imperial measures, consumers are likely now retired? Are you willing to invest many more millions in educating the UK population of imperial measures?
    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
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    16 Sep
    Or is this, like your Bridge to Ireland, a nonsense policy only to distract form the appalling way you are running this country?
    Pippa Musgrave
    @PippaMusgrave1
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    22h
    Finally, the USA is a member of NAFTA, where both Canada and Mexico use the metric system. This has meant increased visibility of metric markings on US goods. The US is a signatory of the OIML treaty. Interest in metric is growing in the USA

    Why Johnson's Plan To Bring Back Pounds And Ounces Doesn't Measure Up
    A weights inspector explained why the review on using the imperial system will not aid post-Brexit Britain.



    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-metric-imperial-measures_uk_6144458ae4b0b616054793b3
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
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    Valneva Covid vaccine trial volunteers are 'left in the lurch' and fear they need another jab after No10 ended £1.2bn deal with French pharmaceutical giant



    More than 4,000 Britons received two doses of Valneva's vaccine in April. But they are still yet to be told whether the jab worked, and if they should receive an alternative.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10001349/Valneva-Covid-vaccine-trial-volunteers-say-left-lurch.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Always been fascinated by the British obsession with pounds and ounces.

    The full name of the "British" pound (lb) is the Avoirdupois Pound. It is French :)

    How much do you think companies will have to spend changing signage, petrol pumps etc?
    They won't "have" to spend anything. Unless it becomes compulsory to use imperial and metric. Which would be unlikely. I'm sure some Companies will make a great deal of this-but in reality it will be part of their marketing strategy.

    Like the Australian owner of Spoons. Telling me how to be British :)
    'Pointless nonsense!' Angry Scots erupt at Brexit masterplan to bring back pounds & ounces



    The list was announced by the government on Thursday afternoon, with Lord Frost saying: "We now have the opportunity to do things differently and ensure Brexit freedoms are used to help businesses and citizens get on and succeed."

    Former Tory leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith said: "Now we've left, we can change our laws and free industry to zoom and soar."

    GB News' Nigel Farage, deemed the change as "Great news", and the former leader of UKIP claimed that "Brexit is making us more British".

    However the move was not met with elation from individuals in Scotland.

    SNP's Murray Foote quoted Mr Farage's response, stating: "Wait until he finds out that the system of using pounds and ounces was developed during trade throughout Europe and is called ... avoirdupois".

    Avoirdupois is the French term for the system of pounds and ounces, which was overhauled from 1974 onwards when metric measurements became the new norm.

    Scottish LibDem Christine Jardine admitted "I have no idea what imperial weights and measures are... anyone?", a sentiment likely to be echoed by those who weren't taught the measurement after the EU favoured measurements were introduced.

    The master plan was dubbed "pointless nonsense" though by SNP president Michael Russell.


    He said: "The very definition of gesture politics. Backward looking, #Brexiteer pandering, pointless nonsense".

    While Glasgow East MP David Linden believed the change "won't make much difference" in his area as they face other issues including lack of deliveries.

    He wrote: "Changing weights and measures won't make much difference to my constituents at the supermarket when they a) don't have enough money in their pockets as it is and b) the Prime Minister's botched Brexit deal means we've got no HGV drivers to deliver stuff to the shops..."




    Further criticism came from SNP's deputy leader at Westminster, Kirsten Oswald, who said that Scotland can do "much better" and questioned why this was a "priority" for the Prime Minister.

    She said: "At a time when we are facing critical staff and food shortages, rising costs, food rotting in fields, businesses losing trade, and mountains of red tape - it beggars belief that the Prime Minister believes this is a priority".

    Also included on the list of pledges is the return of the Crown Stamp on pint glasses, a move which the Conservative government said would allow businesses to "embrace this important symbol on their glassware".


    The symbol, used to indicate that the pint or half pint glass you were handed was genuine, was replaced in favour of a CE mark, meaning European Conformity, under EU rules.

    The new legislation though means that the symbol prohibited by Brussels will now be re-allowed, after it was described as an "important symbol" of Britishness.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/pointless-nonsense-angry-scots-erupt-at-brexit-masterplan-to-bring-back-pounds-ounces/ar-AAOA4EC?ocid=msedgntp

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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    You don't seem to understand what I am saying.

    The EU can take into account various of these things. But it is not as simple as that. Things never are. For every action there is a reaction. Trade works like that. Particularly international trade.

    The thing is this. The EU is very important to UK trade. And so is the UK to EU trade. The EU can keep banging on about the integrity of its precious Single Market. But if it does, there will be consequences. Those consequences will be damaging to both the UK and the EU. And EU member countries' electorates will suffer. And vote accordingly.

    It is open to the UK to impose its own standards on EU imports. Using exactly the same criteria as the EU. Preventing cheap imports from reduced worker rights. For example, the Minimum Wage in Bulgaria is less than 2 Euros an hour. Labour costs in Czechia are 50% less than the UK, even though they have a highly-skilled workforce.

    Will that be wise? Maybe not. But it will become necessary. Because the UK would have no choice but to adopt the same protectionist stance. And this will be the EU's doing.

    Soaring bills, empty shelves, used cars that cost MORE than new ones and NO toys for Christmas - how UK faces being crippled by 'perfect storm' of Covid, Brexit and soaring gas prices that will leave families thousands of pounds poorer



    Britain is facing up to a bleak end to the year, with a fresh threat of food shortages coming amid an imminent hike in the cost of living (top-right, increased energy costs; bottom-left, increased petrol costs; bottom-middle, an inflation rise). A lack of lorry drivers in recent weeks, along with the effects of the 'pingdemic' in previous months, has seen many supermarket shelves left bare (top-left). Now the food supply chain is up against a new challenge, after soaring gas prices forced much of the country's commercial production of carbon dioxide to shut down. The industry describes the gas as being fundamental to producing and transporting supermarket staples like bread and meat, as well as beer and fizzy drinks. As well as essentials like food and drink, there have also been reports of shortages of toys ahead of Christmas (top-middle), and ties as more workers return to the office, while the price of used cars has sky-rocketed to the extent they now cost more than some new models (bottom-right).


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10003883/UK-faces-crippled-perfect-storm-Covid-Brexit-soaring-gas-prices.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Always been fascinated by the British obsession with pounds and ounces.

    The full name of the "British" pound (lb) is the Avoirdupois Pound. It is French :)

    How much do you think companies will have to spend changing signage, petrol pumps etc?
    They won't "have" to spend anything. Unless it becomes compulsory to use imperial and metric. Which would be unlikely. I'm sure some Companies will make a great deal of this-but in reality it will be part of their marketing strategy.

    Like the Australian owner of Spoons. Telling me how to be British :)
    Reaction of Tory front bench goes viral after MP warns of Brexit waste
    Sir Roger Gale said one firm has had to trash £320,000 worth of produce "because there are no pickers and no drivers".






    Dr Mike Galsworthy
    @mikegalsworthy
    Sir Roger Gale (Tory MP) says one farming business in his constituency has had to trash £320,000 worth of produce due to no pickers and no drivers.

    There are cries of “Brexit, Brexit” around the house… and the Govt front bench looks nervous.





    Magic Spongers
    @magicspongers
    Their faces at 38 seconds. Comprehensively rumbled. Arrived here courtesy of a caller to
    @mrjamesob's brilliant show.






    Mavis
    @MavisMoggie
    Replying to
    @magicspongers
    and
    @mrjamesob
    Head Prefect Patel making a mental note there...somebody’s going to be called to the headmaster’s office later.




    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/reaction-of-tory-front-bench-goes-viral-after-mp-warns-of-brexit-waste-291148/
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    You don't seem to understand what I am saying.

    The EU can take into account various of these things. But it is not as simple as that. Things never are. For every action there is a reaction. Trade works like that. Particularly international trade.

    The thing is this. The EU is very important to UK trade. And so is the UK to EU trade. The EU can keep banging on about the integrity of its precious Single Market. But if it does, there will be consequences. Those consequences will be damaging to both the UK and the EU. And EU member countries' electorates will suffer. And vote accordingly.

    It is open to the UK to impose its own standards on EU imports. Using exactly the same criteria as the EU. Preventing cheap imports from reduced worker rights. For example, the Minimum Wage in Bulgaria is less than 2 Euros an hour. Labour costs in Czechia are 50% less than the UK, even though they have a highly-skilled workforce.

    Will that be wise? Maybe not. But it will become necessary. Because the UK would have no choice but to adopt the same protectionist stance. And this will be the EU's doing.

    Fix ‘broken’ Brexit trade deal to save jobs, cross-party commission tells Boris Johnson



    MPs and business leaders are proposing a raft of changes to ease the pain from Boris Johnson’s “broken” Brexit trade deal, in the wake of evidence of public unhappiness with it.


    Food export checks must be streamlined, the cost and complexity of obtaining visas eased and a new body set up to protect food standards, their report tells ministers.

    The cross-party UK Trade and Business Commission – which gathered evidence from expert witnesses – was set up after the government abolished the Commons committee scrutinising the Brexit fallout.

    It says it found “no appetite for widespread deregulation or divergence from EU rules” – long hailed as the key benefit of EU withdrawal by the prime minister and David Frost, his Brexit minister.

    Instead, the alarm was raised over the “barriers” faced by businesses losing out to international competitors, the “burden” on small firms and freelance workers” and the risk of “irrevocable damage” to UK farming.

    Meanwhile, its polling found that 53 per cent of people think the Christmas Eve deal has created more problems than it has solved – with just 15 per cent thinking it has overall benefits.

    “The evidence we’ve heard from dozens of experts and businesses confirms that this deal is broken and will continue to create problems in our supply chain and cost jobs and money in the UK,” Hilary Benn, the Labour MP who jointly leads the commission.

    The study’s recommendations include:

    * Relaunching and simplifying the Brexit support fund – after it paid out less than one-third of the £20m allocated to it;

    * Digitising checks for food exporters – to end a system inferior to “less cumbersome processes” in EU countries;

    * Reducing the cost and complexity of visas – with the cost for skilled workers and academics coming to the UK roughly five times higher than competitors; and

    * Establishing a new authority to protect food standards in new trade deals – after criticism of government confusion over whether they will be safeguarded.

    Mr Benn added: “We’re calling on the government now to work with business and our European neighbours to implement these reasonable improvements to their deal and measures to support UK firms.”

    The report comes as pressure grows on ministers to plug gaps in the skeleton deal, with Labour backing a new agreement to end the crisis facing touring musicians.

    However, the mooted EU-UK “Partnership Council” has met only once – and the two sides are instead locked in a bitter battle over the Northern Ireland protocol.

    The commission is co-led by the head of the Virgin Group, Peter Norris, and its members include figures from Trafalgar Entertainment, the chemical company BASF, and the Northern Ireland Retail Consortium.

    Support is provided by the Best for Britain internationalist group, whose chief executive, Naomi Smith, appealed for a new approach from the new-look cabinet.

    “The poll shows the British public can see the government’s Brexit deal for what it is – an insufficient and self-sabotaging agreement that is causing significant problems for British businesses, the economy and jobs,” she said.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/fix-broken-brexit-trade-deal-to-save-jobs-cross-party-commission-tells-boris-johnson/ar-AAOCbVy?ocid=msedgntp
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,111
    edited September 2021
    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.

    So you think its a good deal, and there are no real problems?

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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    edited September 2021
    Essexphil said:

    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.

    I think that making sensible proposals for alleviating some of the problems can hardly be described as propaganda.

    Perhaps you could highlight any bits suggesting we should rejoin the EU.



    The study’s recommendations include:

    * Relaunching and simplifying the Brexit support fund – after it paid out less than one-third of the £20m allocated to it;

    * Digitising checks for food exporters – to end a system inferior to “less cumbersome processes” in EU countries;

    * Reducing the cost and complexity of visas – with the cost for skilled workers and academics coming to the UK roughly five times higher than competitors; and

    * Establishing a new authority to protect food standards in new trade deals – after criticism of government confusion over whether they will be safeguarded.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.

    Boris doesnt seem to agree with you.

    24.03.2021: UK Music Chief Executive Jamie Njoku-Goodwin has welcomed PM Boris Johnson’s commitment that he will fix the work permits crisis facing touring musicians.

    DCMS Select Committee Chair Julian Knight MP quizzed the PM over the issue when he appeared before the Liaison Committee at Westminster today (Weds).

    Mr Knight told the PM that workers in the creative industries now faced “uneconomic visa fees”, struggled to move instruments and kit and were losing work to those with EU passports. He asked: “Why were these sectors allowed to suffer a no deal Brexit?”

    The Prime Minister replied that talks were under way with the UK’s EU partners and he was “passionate” about the ability of artists to be able to tour freely, citing a group called the English comedians who performed Hamlet in German in 1620.

    The PM said the Government was working “flat out” to find a solution.

    He added: “I want to say how strongly I share the frustrations of the sector. This is a massively important part of the economy that contributes many of billions of pounds to the economy and jobs and to the general joy of the nation. It is hugely important and they are also a massive export industry. We must fix it.”

    https://www.ukmusic.org/news/uk-music-chief-welcomes-boris-johnsons-pledge-to-fix-music-industrys-eu-work-permits-crisis/
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.


    You appear to be in the very small minority of the 15% that think there have been overall benefits.

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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Always been fascinated by the British obsession with pounds and ounces.

    The full name of the "British" pound (lb) is the Avoirdupois Pound. It is French :)

    How much do you think companies will have to spend changing signage, petrol pumps etc?
    They won't "have" to spend anything. Unless it becomes compulsory to use imperial and metric. Which would be unlikely. I'm sure some Companies will make a great deal of this-but in reality it will be part of their marketing strategy.

    Like the Australian owner of Spoons. Telling me how to be British :)
    What is the point, unless they do?
    Will they teach both in schools?
    Wouldnt that be a pointless waste of time?
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There are plenty of facts. You just refuse to see them.

    You persist inb believinbg that, where 2 parties agree to a terrible deal, all the fault rests with just 1 of those 2 parties.

    You believe that anyone who believes this is somehow pro-Uk, and anti-EU.

    you believe that any major nation (not the UK, any major nation) will allow a raft of trade barriers tobe erected, and do nothing in retaliation.

    You have made literally thousands of posts, every single one of which attacks the UK position and/or praises the EU.

    Go live there.

    If you just consider facts.
    WTO rules demand a border between different customs territories.
    So even if we ripped up the deal with the EU, we still require a border.
    The border has to be a land border in Ireland, or in the Irish Sea.
    Therefore the Irish Sea.
    Avoiding the land border, means that NI remains in the SM/CU.
    Therefore the Irish Sea border separates Great Britain from the EU/SM.
    Close alignment means less friction, divergence means more.
    We chose to diverge.
    Surely the EU are entitled to decide which products need to be checked when entering their SM.
    Would we allow them to dictate which products we must check, or not, on our borders?
    I dont think so.
    The DUP are making various threats, unless the protocol is ripped up.
    What is the alternative if it was ripped up?

    How could we remove NI from the SM/CU?
    Where could we move the border to?

    The EU have offered a means of reducing checks by 80%.
    We are not interested.

    We could ask to rejoin the SM/CU?
    We wont.
    We could align more closely.
    We wont.

    Assuming the EU wont accept us dictating what checks they are allowed to carry out, what is the answer?

    Estonia seem to be doing very well out of it.

    I will maintain that the problem is Brexit, rather than the protocol.
    I appreciate the obvious points about referendums, and democracy etc, that you are prone to repeat.
    Did anyone think about the implementation beforehand?
    It doesnt seem like, and the difficulties seem so obvious now.
    I have no wish to minimise the importance of these, but it is the implementation of Brexit that is the problem.
    Under normal circumstances it would not have been a problem.
    But normal circumstances didnt apply.
    The UK as a whole would have left.
    A land border in Ireland.
    Sorted.
    We became a third country.
    First problem, we cant have a land border, that means NI must stay in the SM/CU, thereby splitting up the UK.
    For NI to comply with EU and GB rules was bound to create difficulties.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zX9OZZphyQ
    Do you think it would have made more sense to leave the EU, but for the whole of the UK to remain in the SM/CU.
    How can you argue against, when Boris argued that in the case of NI, they had the best of both worlds.
    This would have eliminated the bulk of the problems we now face.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,537
    Essexphil said:

    Lapping up any pro-EU stuff.

    The "UK Trade and Business Commission" tries desperately to fool people as to its basis. It is not a Parliamentary Committee-it was set up by "Best for Britain", a campaign group whose main purposes are for us to rejoin the EU and to frustrate any moves towards independence from the EU.

    53% polled did not like Boris's deal? Sure. But then the majority have voted against pretty much everything-staying in the EU, every single type of deal to leave, every party wanting to remain.

    The British public votes against everything. In short, it votes to have the omelette without breaking eggs. Doesn't prove anything. Other than the public have unrealistic expectations.

    The polls that matter-the ones that really determine the path ahead-have not gone your way.

    "Crisis facing touring musicians"? Really? So they are to be treated like everyone else wanting to do work abroad. I don't see US bands finding this to be insurmountable.

    This is just the opposite side of the coin to the likes of the ERG. Propaganda. Designed to fool the gullible.

    I would disagree.
    There just arent any articles proclaiming UK triumphs in regard to Brexit.
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    Marks & Spencer blames Brexit as it closes 11 French stores


    M&S said supply chain problems since Brexit had made it "near impossible" to maintain standards of food supply.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58582860
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    Brexit: Checks on goods imported from the EU delayed again


    Measures which were expected to come in next month will now be introduced in January and July next year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58556453
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