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Next Conservative leader

EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
There are currently 11 candidates who bookies see as genuine possibles-all at odds of 20/1 or less (oddschecker).

They are (in rough betting order):-

Sunak, Mordaunt, Wallace, Javid, Truss, Hunt, Raab, Zahawi, Tugendhat, Baker & Gove. Also cannot discount a total outsider confounding the odds-like Major, or Corbyn, did. So-Braverman, Priti, Badenoch, etc.

We all know that those 11's odds will fluctuate wildly.

How many of those 11 are likely?

For me (and I may well be wrong), Hunt is not far enough to the Right, Gove would be too divisive, and Tugendhat/Baker make more sense as the next-but-one than right now.

Still leaves 7. All of which have things against them. From plotting to oust Boris (Sunak/Javid), to being so bland I struggle to remember who they are (Mordaunt, Wallace). Then there is the thorny question of, if Tory Members (as opposed to MPs) get to choose between 2, my money is on the, er, person more in accord with the Membership of the Tory Party (overwhelmingly White Pensioners).

I'm not saying he will make the final 2. Far from it. But-if he does-my money is on Raab.
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  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,404
    I quite like the Tugendhat/Baker combo
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    They have been saying on telly this morning that if Raab is the interim PM, he will not be able to stand.
    I just wrote on another thread that in a YouGov poll this morning Ben Wallace got 48%, and Liz Truss got 29% of Tory members.
    Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, and Jeremy Hunt were well behind.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    VespaPX said:

    I quite like the Tugendhat/Baker combo

    Tugendhat certainly has many things that appeal to both Conservative voters, and the wider electorate.

    What he does not have is any Ministerial experience whatsoever. Which is why he is far more likely to be promoted to a Senior position, but not PM
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    HAYSIE said:

    They have been saying on telly this morning that if Raab is the interim PM, he will not be able to stand.
    I just wrote on another thread that in a YouGov poll this morning Ben Wallace got 48%, and Liz Truss got 29% of Tory members.
    Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, and Jeremy Hunt were well behind.

    Got to make it to the last 2 before that becomes relevant. Think the last 2 will be Wallace & Truss?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    They have been saying on telly this morning that if Raab is the interim PM, he will not be able to stand.
    I just wrote on another thread that in a YouGov poll this morning Ben Wallace got 48%, and Liz Truss got 29% of Tory members.
    Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, and Jeremy Hunt were well behind.

    Got to make it to the last 2 before that becomes relevant. Think the last 2 will be Wallace & Truss?
    I am not sure.
    I cant stand Liz Truss.
    Although she has been in the first two in the betting for ages.
    As far as I can see Ben Wallaces popularity is based on him talking tough about the Russians fairly recently.
    I dont really have a clue about who is popular amongst the MPs.

    It would be nice to think that most of the Cabinet have no credibility left, as a result of their lying to prop Boris up.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    They have been saying on telly this morning that if Raab is the interim PM, he will not be able to stand.
    I just wrote on another thread that in a YouGov poll this morning Ben Wallace got 48%, and Liz Truss got 29% of Tory members.
    Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, and Jeremy Hunt were well behind.

    Got to make it to the last 2 before that becomes relevant. Think the last 2 will be Wallace & Truss?
    Ben Wallace is now favourite.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader
  • pompeynicpompeynic Member Posts: 2,834
    I don’t follow politics closely enough, probably as it seems to lead to incredibly heated discussions , which nearly always end in full blown arguments from deeply intrenched positions, often by people who simply refuse to see another point of view, even if it has validity.
    In my opinion, which might not be up to much, whoever takes over has an uphill battle.
    Your own party has appears to have so many factions, from stuffy old men, who undoubtedly are in power and don’t want to give that up. Bought and paid for by certain figures, businesses and groups. A large group of MP’s who were voted in last time , on a promise of “ levelling up” on wafer thin majorities, who will be selling themselves to anyone who can get them a second term. A few big names who have served as front bench ministers, many of whom have scored fantastic own goals during that time, do these people seriously not have public relations advisors?
    I think the country needs leadership, change, not just for change sake, but honest , straight talking , forward thinking all inclusive leadership.
    If the country has to take some medicine, tell us, explain why, don’t dither, put the plans in place and get on with it. Not sure if the “big recognisable “ names are capable of that type of leadership, maybe one of the names not known, steps forward and does what this country desperately needs...... Leads.
    Politics needs to change, proportional representation? Turkeys voting for Christmas there I’m afraid, but , when the alternative is what’s sat across the aisle, I wince. The hung parliament, when the conservatives had to listen to the Lib Dem’s, had to compromise, seemed to have possibilities, but no.
    So many things need to be done, for the good of all not just the few, how this can be achieved needs brains bigger and better than mine.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    What’s the price on Boris changing his mind and staying on ‘when it all settles down’?
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    There are currently 11 candidates who bookies see as genuine possibles-all at odds of 20/1 or less (oddschecker).

    They are (in rough betting order):-

    Sunak, Mordaunt, Wallace, Javid, Truss, Hunt, Raab, Zahawi, Tugendhat, Baker & Gove. Also cannot discount a total outsider confounding the odds-like Major, or Corbyn, did. So-Braverman, Priti, Badenoch, etc.

    We all know that those 11's odds will fluctuate wildly.

    How many of those 11 are likely?

    For me (and I may well be wrong), Hunt is not far enough to the Right, Gove would be too divisive, and Tugendhat/Baker make more sense as the next-but-one than right now.

    Still leaves 7. All of which have things against them. From plotting to oust Boris (Sunak/Javid), to being so bland I struggle to remember who they are (Mordaunt, Wallace). Then there is the thorny question of, if Tory Members (as opposed to MPs) get to choose between 2, my money is on the, er, person more in accord with the Membership of the Tory Party (overwhelmingly White Pensioners).

    I'm not saying he will make the final 2. Far from it. But-if he does-my money is on Raab.

    Raab has ruled himself out.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    There are currently 11 candidates who bookies see as genuine possibles-all at odds of 20/1 or less (oddschecker).

    They are (in rough betting order):-

    Sunak, Mordaunt, Wallace, Javid, Truss, Hunt, Raab, Zahawi, Tugendhat, Baker & Gove. Also cannot discount a total outsider confounding the odds-like Major, or Corbyn, did. So-Braverman, Priti, Badenoch, etc.

    We all know that those 11's odds will fluctuate wildly.

    How many of those 11 are likely?

    For me (and I may well be wrong), Hunt is not far enough to the Right, Gove would be too divisive, and Tugendhat/Baker make more sense as the next-but-one than right now.

    Still leaves 7. All of which have things against them. From plotting to oust Boris (Sunak/Javid), to being so bland I struggle to remember who they are (Mordaunt, Wallace). Then there is the thorny question of, if Tory Members (as opposed to MPs) get to choose between 2, my money is on the, er, person more in accord with the Membership of the Tory Party (overwhelmingly White Pensioners).

    I'm not saying he will make the final 2. Far from it. But-if he does-my money is on Raab.

    Raab has ruled himself out.
    Think he has no choice in that.

    It is far from clear that Boris will be allowed to continue as temporary PM. Raab must, therefore, be both willing and able to step into the breach.

    I sincerely hope he gets a Senior Position in due course. More honest than many in that Party.

    Please, priti please, don't let it be Braverman or Truss.
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,404
    Has Boris been to see the Queen yet?

    What type of "emergency" would be needed (created) to have a situation where it would be unwise to change the PM?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Who will replace Boris Johnson? The runners and riders


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/replace-boris-johnson-runners-riders-120321392.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    HAYSIE said:

    Who will replace Boris Johnson? The runners and riders


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/replace-boris-johnson-runners-riders-120321392.html

    Add Grant Shapps.
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,404
    edited July 2022
    I see John Major is getting involved.
    Calling for BJ to go now and that the 1922 rules are changed to omit rank & file members from the voting process.
    How very democratic.

    Will someone do a seance to see what Maggie thinks.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    edited July 2022
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Who will replace Boris Johnson? The runners and riders


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/replace-boris-johnson-runners-riders-120321392.html

    Add Grant Shapps.
    Why? He couldn't organise a pea soup in a brewery.

    That article says 11, but discounts 6 of them (at least at this stage. Says:-

    1. Wallace/Sunak/Nordaunt
    4. Javid/Truss.

    Rest miles back. We shall see.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Who will replace Boris Johnson? The runners and riders


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/replace-boris-johnson-runners-riders-120321392.html

    Add Grant Shapps.
    Why? He couldn't organise a pea soup in a brewert.

    That article says 11, but discounts 6 of them (at least at this stage. Says:-

    1. Wallace/Sunak/Nordaunt
    4. Javid/Truss.

    Rest miles back. We shall see.
    I think he is an idiot, but he is apparently standing.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    They have been saying on telly this morning that if Raab is the interim PM, he will not be able to stand.
    I just wrote on another thread that in a YouGov poll this morning Ben Wallace got 48%, and Liz Truss got 29% of Tory members.
    Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, and Jeremy Hunt were well behind.

    Got to make it to the last 2 before that becomes relevant. Think the last 2 will be Wallace & Truss?
    Ben Wallace is now favourite.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader
    Liz Truss is drifting.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,780
    VespaPX said:

    I see John Major is getting involved.
    Calling for BJ to go now and that the 1922 rules are changed to omit rank & file members from the voting process.
    How very democratic.

    Will someone do a seance to see what Maggie thinks.

    Various people are prioritising what is worst for Boris over what may be best for the country.

    Want to ensure Boris is speedily removed. Can see the advantages for the Party. Just not the Country. That said, do we want the future of the Country, and the next PM, decided by the Conservative Party Membership?

    71% Male. Overwhelmingly White. Average age 72.
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,404
    Essexphil said:

    VespaPX said:

    I see John Major is getting involved.
    Calling for BJ to go now and that the 1922 rules are changed to omit rank & file members from the voting process.
    How very democratic.

    Will someone do a seance to see what Maggie thinks.

    Various people are prioritising what is worst for Boris over what may be best for the country.

    Want to ensure Boris is speedily removed. Can see the advantages for the Party. Just not the Country. That said, do we want the future of the Country, and the next PM, decided by the Conservative Party Membership?

    71% Male. Overwhelmingly White. Average age 72.
    John Major
    79 years old
    White
    Pronoun unknown B)
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