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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,423
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Steve Baker just dropped out.
    John Baron is taking soundings.

    He is a 63-year-old never was. His experience is little, and most people have never heard of him. He will struggle to get 8 MPs to endorse him, never mind get anywhere near winning.

    The fact that he appears not to realise this is further proof of his unfitness for Office.
    There are a couple more mentioned in the article below, as well as possible changes to the qualifying criteria, aimed at reducing the number of runners.



    Britain to have a new Prime Minister by Sep 5 under secret Conservative plans



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/britain-prime-minister-september-5-202853888.html

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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,078
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Steve Baker just dropped out.
    John Baron is taking soundings.

    He is a 63-year-old never was. His experience is little, and most people have never heard of him. He will struggle to get 8 MPs to endorse him, never mind get anywhere near winning.

    The fact that he appears not to realise this is further proof of his unfitness for Office.
    There are a couple more mentioned in the article below, as well as possible changes to the qualifying criteria, aimed at reducing the number of runners.



    Britain to have a new Prime Minister by Sep 5 under secret Conservative plans



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/britain-prime-minister-september-5-202853888.html

    You really need to stop believing politicians :)

    This is just a smokescreen. Changing the Rules after a leadership contest has begun is not worthy of a Democratic Institution. But, rather more importantly, it will not save much time.

    The part where the Candidates get whittled down to 2 will not take long. That will, in all likelihood, be completed (under current rules) this month. That is July. Not September.

    The bit that will take the time will be the run-off between the last 2. Because, under current rules, that will take a considerable amount of time. Because, as opposed to murky trade-offs of jobs for support, the 2 Candidates would have to have time to put their case to the (comparatively naive) 100,000 or so voters. Which the Party, and MPs, would rather not do.

    This is all about positioning the election so as to avoid asking the Party Members for their choice. The 1922 Committee wants that to be the choice of, er, the 1922 Committee.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,423
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Steve Baker just dropped out.
    John Baron is taking soundings.

    He is a 63-year-old never was. His experience is little, and most people have never heard of him. He will struggle to get 8 MPs to endorse him, never mind get anywhere near winning.

    The fact that he appears not to realise this is further proof of his unfitness for Office.
    There are a couple more mentioned in the article below, as well as possible changes to the qualifying criteria, aimed at reducing the number of runners.



    Britain to have a new Prime Minister by Sep 5 under secret Conservative plans



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/britain-prime-minister-september-5-202853888.html

    You really need to stop believing politicians :)

    This is just a smokescreen. Changing the Rules after a leadership contest has begun is not worthy of a Democratic Institution. But, rather more importantly, it will not save much time.

    The part where the Candidates get whittled down to 2 will not take long. That will, in all likelihood, be completed (under current rules) this month. That is July. Not September.

    The bit that will take the time will be the run-off between the last 2. Because, under current rules, that will take a considerable amount of time. Because, as opposed to murky trade-offs of jobs for support, the 2 Candidates would have to have time to put their case to the (comparatively naive) 100,000 or so voters. Which the Party, and MPs, would rather not do.

    This is all about positioning the election so as to avoid asking the Party Members for their choice. The 1922 Committee wants that to be the choice of, er, the 1922 Committee.
    Andrew Bridgen is quoted as saying the last 2 will very quickly be able to do a deal, without going out to the membership.
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,078
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Steve Baker just dropped out.
    John Baron is taking soundings.

    He is a 63-year-old never was. His experience is little, and most people have never heard of him. He will struggle to get 8 MPs to endorse him, never mind get anywhere near winning.

    The fact that he appears not to realise this is further proof of his unfitness for Office.
    There are a couple more mentioned in the article below, as well as possible changes to the qualifying criteria, aimed at reducing the number of runners.



    Britain to have a new Prime Minister by Sep 5 under secret Conservative plans



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/britain-prime-minister-september-5-202853888.html

    You really need to stop believing politicians :)

    This is just a smokescreen. Changing the Rules after a leadership contest has begun is not worthy of a Democratic Institution. But, rather more importantly, it will not save much time.

    The part where the Candidates get whittled down to 2 will not take long. That will, in all likelihood, be completed (under current rules) this month. That is July. Not September.

    The bit that will take the time will be the run-off between the last 2. Because, under current rules, that will take a considerable amount of time. Because, as opposed to murky trade-offs of jobs for support, the 2 Candidates would have to have time to put their case to the (comparatively naive) 100,000 or so voters. Which the Party, and MPs, would rather not do.

    This is all about positioning the election so as to avoid asking the Party Members for their choice. The 1922 Committee wants that to be the choice of, er, the 1922 Committee.
    Andrew Bridgen is quoted as saying the last 2 will very quickly be able to do a deal, without going out to the membership.
    Sure this will happen.

    So. The next PM will initially be decided by less than 400 people. And then 2 people will carve out a deal.

    So much more Democratic than the 100,000 people in the Party making the choice. You know, according to the rules laid out by the Conservative Party.

    Or calling a General Election.

    I can quite see why this is all in the best interests of Conservative MPs. Just not the Conservative Party. Or the Country.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,423
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Steve Baker just dropped out.
    John Baron is taking soundings.

    He is a 63-year-old never was. His experience is little, and most people have never heard of him. He will struggle to get 8 MPs to endorse him, never mind get anywhere near winning.

    The fact that he appears not to realise this is further proof of his unfitness for Office.
    There are a couple more mentioned in the article below, as well as possible changes to the qualifying criteria, aimed at reducing the number of runners.



    Britain to have a new Prime Minister by Sep 5 under secret Conservative plans



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/britain-prime-minister-september-5-202853888.html

    You really need to stop believing politicians :)

    This is just a smokescreen. Changing the Rules after a leadership contest has begun is not worthy of a Democratic Institution. But, rather more importantly, it will not save much time.

    The part where the Candidates get whittled down to 2 will not take long. That will, in all likelihood, be completed (under current rules) this month. That is July. Not September.

    The bit that will take the time will be the run-off between the last 2. Because, under current rules, that will take a considerable amount of time. Because, as opposed to murky trade-offs of jobs for support, the 2 Candidates would have to have time to put their case to the (comparatively naive) 100,000 or so voters. Which the Party, and MPs, would rather not do.

    This is all about positioning the election so as to avoid asking the Party Members for their choice. The 1922 Committee wants that to be the choice of, er, the 1922 Committee.
    Andrew Bridgen is quoted as saying the last 2 will very quickly be able to do a deal, without going out to the membership.
    Sure this will happen.

    So. The next PM will initially be decided by less than 400 people. And then 2 people will carve out a deal.

    So much more Democratic than the 100,000 people in the Party making the choice. You know, according to the rules laid out by the Conservative Party.

    Or calling a General Election.

    I can quite see why this is all in the best interests of Conservative MPs. Just not the Conservative Party. Or the Country.
    They interviewed some Tory Party members on NewsNight last night, they were adamant that they should vote, and 2 out of 3 were insisting that a proper hard Brexiteer should be elected.
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,078
    The last General Election was largely fought on 1 issue. Getting Brexit done.

    The nation was sick of the impasse in Parliament, preventing progress. I am not saying that should have been the case-I am saying that, for the Electorate, it was.

    The Conservative Party in 2019, and to a lesser extent the UK electorate, knew precisely how this was to be achieved.

    The maverick Johnson was to be allowed to ride roughshod over various Democratic, and indeed Conservative, values to enable this to happen. People who did not agree with the Boris way to be forced to vote the way he wanted, or to be expelled from the Party. To give him powers in excess of the powers given to, say, Cameron or May.

    Boris used those powers. To achieve an end. An end that was approved by the Electorate.

    The Tories have decided that the level of power given to the PM should be taken away. By the Cabinet and the Conservative Party. Most definitely not the Electorate.

    Ignoring the fact that the prime reason the Tories are in power has been countermanded.
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,078
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Steve Baker just dropped out.
    John Baron is taking soundings.

    He is a 63-year-old never was. His experience is little, and most people have never heard of him. He will struggle to get 8 MPs to endorse him, never mind get anywhere near winning.

    The fact that he appears not to realise this is further proof of his unfitness for Office.
    There are a couple more mentioned in the article below, as well as possible changes to the qualifying criteria, aimed at reducing the number of runners.



    Britain to have a new Prime Minister by Sep 5 under secret Conservative plans



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/britain-prime-minister-september-5-202853888.html

    You really need to stop believing politicians :)

    This is just a smokescreen. Changing the Rules after a leadership contest has begun is not worthy of a Democratic Institution. But, rather more importantly, it will not save much time.

    The part where the Candidates get whittled down to 2 will not take long. That will, in all likelihood, be completed (under current rules) this month. That is July. Not September.

    The bit that will take the time will be the run-off between the last 2. Because, under current rules, that will take a considerable amount of time. Because, as opposed to murky trade-offs of jobs for support, the 2 Candidates would have to have time to put their case to the (comparatively naive) 100,000 or so voters. Which the Party, and MPs, would rather not do.

    This is all about positioning the election so as to avoid asking the Party Members for their choice. The 1922 Committee wants that to be the choice of, er, the 1922 Committee.
    Andrew Bridgen is quoted as saying the last 2 will very quickly be able to do a deal, without going out to the membership.
    Sure this will happen.

    So. The next PM will initially be decided by less than 400 people. And then 2 people will carve out a deal.

    So much more Democratic than the 100,000 people in the Party making the choice. You know, according to the rules laid out by the Conservative Party.

    Or calling a General Election.

    I can quite see why this is all in the best interests of Conservative MPs. Just not the Conservative Party. Or the Country.
    They interviewed some Tory Party members on NewsNight last night, they were adamant that they should vote, and 2 out of 3 were insisting that a proper hard Brexiteer should be elected.
    Why on earth do we need a "proper hard Brexiteer"?

    Brexit has happened. Britain. Has Exited. The EU.

    Politicians are perfectly adept at putting their personal beliefs to 1 side. And running the country.

    How someone voted in 2016 is irrelevant. How the country is going to be run in 2022 and beyond is what matters.

    But this is part of the problem for Tory MPs. The Membership has a lot of very dated, and often rather unelectable, wish lists.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,423
    I want to be Prime Minister says, er, Bill Wiggin MP: Assortment of Tory also-rans seize their moment to launch unlikely leadership bids - as Kemi Badenoch becomes latest big-hitter to join the race



    While the big hitters have held off from launching their campaigns - except for Rishi Sunak, who announced he was running yesterday - those with an outside chance have thrown their hats in the ring. Backbenchers John Baron (left), Jake Berry (second left), Bill Wiggin (right) and Rehman Chishti (second right) have said they are considering a bid despite being virtually unknown outside Westminster. Attorney General Suella Braverman and foreign affairs committee chairman Tom Tugendhat have announced they will stand, but are languishing in the polls. Former equalities minister Kemi Badenoch is the latest name to join the already bloated list of wannabe leaders.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10996747/Tories-seize-moment-launch-leadership-bids-Kemi-Badenoch-latest-join-race.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,423
    Now NADINE DORRIES could run to be PM: Culture Secretary says she will be joining 'dirty dozen' - but as a 'disruptor' candidate 'to keep Boris Johnson's flame alive'



    Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries wants to be a 'continuation Boris' candidate and believes she can be a disruptor, friends have told Mail+.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10995763/Now-NADINE-DORRIES-run-succeed-Boris-Johnson.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,423
    Fox-clubbing Remainer QC Jolyon Maugham sparks fury after asking Rishi Sunak whether Tories are 'ready to select a brown man' as PM




    Jolyon Maugham QC suggested Conservative party members might not select Rishi Sunak, who is of Indian descent, as their next leader because he is a 'brown man'.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10996321/Remainer-QC-Jolyon-Maugham-asks-Rishi-Sunak-Tories-ready-select-brown-man-PM.html
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,078
    edited July 2022
    The Daily Mail just doesn't get it.

    Their "polls" are irrelevant. Might as well poll the SNP voters to see who they would like.

    The no-hopers entering the race? Once you get past the 1st round, you have a block of voters that can be traded to someone else in return for career advancement.

    Have people forgotten this is politicians we are talking about?
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,078
    edited July 2022
    HAYSIE said:

    Fox-clubbing Remainer QC Jolyon Maugham sparks fury after asking Rishi Sunak whether Tories are 'ready to select a brown man' as PM




    Jolyon Maugham QC suggested Conservative party members might not select Rishi Sunak, who is of Indian descent, as their next leader because he is a 'brown man'.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10996321/Remainer-QC-Jolyon-Maugham-asks-Rishi-Sunak-Tories-ready-select-brown-man-PM.html

    On 1 level, pretty offensive.

    But, on another, probably accurate. And 1 of the reasons why the MPs do not want such a vote to go to the wider Membership.

    Conservative MPs have a great track record in relation to racial diversity. They need to recognise that that is not necessarily replicated in the wider Membership. Actually, they do recognise it. They just won't admit it.
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    somniatissomniatis Member Posts: 219
    The next leader will be a Davos/WEF useful idiot. Wallace or Tugendhat...

    https://dailysceptic.org/
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,078
    somniatis said:

    The next leader will be a Davos/WEF useful idiot. Wallace or Tugendhat...

    https://dailysceptic.org/

    Always love these conspiracy theories.

    So you believe the Tories are in the thrall of some sort of New World Order?

    That will be politicians. People who, by and large, care only about themselves. Who have no intention of listening to the Tory Party electorate, or the wider electorate right now.

    But you think they will put their own self-interest to 1 side to help some nebulous World Order-not even a British one?

    The daily septic. Supporting Kemi Badenoch. 2nd only to Suella Braverman as people who should be nowhere near the same postcode as Power.
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    VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,034
    Ben Wallace out
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    tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,727
    Essexphil said:

    miniman88 said:

    Penny Mordaunt is my #1, strong woman with leadership skills, brexiteer, patriot, royal navy reservist. Wouldn't mind Liz truss either.

    Rishi is the nut low option imo

    I do not believe Penny Mordaunt is likely to succeed.

    The reason? I think a lot of what she says is entirely sensible. And if I think that, I am pretty sure a large part of the Conservative Party will not....

    I hope you are right. She should certainly go some way to uniting both wings of the Party. Which will be necessary if the Tories actually want to win the next election.
    She won’t get many supporters from those on Universal Credit.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,423
    John Lydon backs Jacob Rees-Mogg to be next prime minister


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/john-lydon-jacob-rees-mogg-prime-minister-100950151.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,423
    Tory MPs hit back at ‘treacherous’ Rishi Sunak as leadership race begins


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tory-mps-hit-back-treacherous-094703475.html
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