1. For 3 elections in a row, the Public have voted for a PM and policies, only for the Tories to decide that they would like totally different policies and PM than that voted for-Cameron, May, Johnson. All 3 dramatically different in style and policies. But no election.
2. We have a new PM, Truss. A person who never topped the MPs vote. She only made the top 2 for the first time in the last vote
3. She is voted in, not by the Electorate, not even by MPs, but by Tory Party Membership. She only had 1 policy-she had discovered a Magic Money tree, whereby you could cut taxes, increase spending on just about everything, and simultaneously reduce debt. Which within days has been shown to be complete nonsense. This from the Party that is traditionally strongest on the Economy.
4. We now have the absurdity of dismantling all the "new" stuff that got her "elected", while she has only about 3 of the ablest 10 Tories in her Cabinet. While the Tory MPs openly discuss how to remove her, not only without a public vote, but without even a vote according to Tory Rules. They just intend to rewrite them, to have retrospective effect. Purely because they fear a Democratic vote
There needs to be a General Election. Now. So that the Public can exercise a Democratic choice.
1. For 3 elections in a row, the Public have voted for a PM and policies, only for the Tories to decide that they would like totally different policies and PM than that voted for-Cameron, May, Johnson. All 3 dramatically different in style and policies. But no election.
2. We have a new PM, Truss. A person who never topped the MPs vote. She only made the top 2 for the first time in the last vote
3. She is voted in, not by the Electorate, not even by MPs, but by Tory Party Membership. She only had 1 policy-she had discovered a Magic Money tree, whereby you could cut taxes, increase spending on just about everything, and simultaneously reduce debt. Which within days has been shown to be complete nonsense. This from the Party that is traditionally strongest on the Economy.
4. We now have the absurdity of dismantling all the "new" stuff that got her "elected", while she has only about 3 of the ablest 10 Tories in her Cabinet. While the Tory MPs openly discuss how to remove her, not only without a public vote, but without even a vote according to Tory Rules. They just intend to rewrite them, to have retrospective effect. Purely because they fear a Democratic vote
There needs to be a General Election. Now. So that the Public can exercise a Democratic choice.
Because this country deserves better than this.
You make some very valid points. Although there is a huge difference between what should happen, and what is likely to occur. Surely the worst option is that Truss remains as PM. You would think that a country as clever as us would have legislation in place covering the running of all political parties. Why should they differ from one to the other? Shouldnt they all be run fairly, and democratically.
Any real changes are likely to take place in the longer term, if at all.
Maybe a no confidence vote in a PM, should be considered a no confidence vote in the government, and therefore trigger a general election. Although the parties themselves are unlikely to be in favour of this, as they will always wish to remain in power. They make the rules to suit themselves, not us.
'Liz Truss is a former Prime Minister, she just doesn't know it yet': Britons continue mercilessly mocking embattled PM with floods of memes on social media Twitter users are mocking u-turn prone Liz Truss amid ongoing economic crisis They think her days in office are numbered, calling her a 'former Prime Minister' Others mocked her for 'hiding' from the public while the economy is tanking The memes come as she vowed to lead Tories 'into the next general election'
'Was it an economics textbook that no one recognised?' Social media users ridicule Liz Truss after 'suspicious item' that forced evacuation of Whitehall and Downing Street turned out to be false alarm Police were called to reports of a suspicious package in Whitehall at 11.42am Government buildings along Whitehall were emptied, an official said Hundreds of people were seen gathered at tourist spot Horse Guards Parade Specialist officers have assessed the item and declared it as non-suspicious Social media users are making jokes after it was confirmed as a false alarm
Some of this goes a bit far. Not the Edwina Currie bit obviously-spot on. Liked the "who's queen?" comparison, too.
It irks me that 55% of Tory Members say that she needs to go.
When they were the ones that put her there. It's not like it was a secret that she wasn't up to the job. The electorate would never, and likely will never, vote for her.
But the few people who put her there seem to think it's someone else's fault. And MPs seem to be trying to work out exactly how it would be better if their leadership system, which is profoundly undemocratic, would be better if they removed the tiny bit of Democracy that is in there.
Some of this goes a bit far. Not the Edwina Currie bit obviously-spot on. Liked the "who's queen?" comparison, too.
It irks me that 55% of Tory Members say that she needs to go.
When they were the ones that put her there. It's not like it was a secret that she wasn't up to the job. The electorate would never, and likely will never, vote for her.
But the few people who put her there seem to think it's someone else's fault. And MPs seem to be trying to work out exactly how it would be better if their leadership system, which is profoundly undemocratic, would be better if they removed the tiny bit of Democracy that is in there.
General. Election. Now.
It is a huge dilemma for them. And the stuff that is coming down the track will only alienate more of them. Particularly removing the pension triple lock. A general Election anytime soon cannot possibly on the Tory agenda.
Some of this goes a bit far. Not the Edwina Currie bit obviously-spot on. Liked the "who's queen?" comparison, too.
It irks me that 55% of Tory Members say that she needs to go.
When they were the ones that put her there. It's not like it was a secret that she wasn't up to the job. The electorate would never, and likely will never, vote for her.
But the few people who put her there seem to think it's someone else's fault. And MPs seem to be trying to work out exactly how it would be better if their leadership system, which is profoundly undemocratic, would be better if they removed the tiny bit of Democracy that is in there.
General. Election. Now.
It is difficult to see what is likely to improve in respect of the Tories between now and the next General Election. It seems that we have spending cuts, tax increases, inflation, higher mortgage rates, austerity, no pension triple lock, a real terms reduction in benefits, lots of strikes, and another energy bills predicament to look forward to in April. It is difficult to see any improvement.
One of these days someone will suggest re-joining the EU. According to the OBR leaving reduced GDP by 4%. So that would create some growth, and fill a lot of vacancies.
Although it would be as likely as the Tories calling for a General Election.
Some of this goes a bit far. Not the Edwina Currie bit obviously-spot on. Liked the "who's queen?" comparison, too.
It irks me that 55% of Tory Members say that she needs to go.
When they were the ones that put her there. It's not like it was a secret that she wasn't up to the job. The electorate would never, and likely will never, vote for her.
But the few people who put her there seem to think it's someone else's fault. And MPs seem to be trying to work out exactly how it would be better if their leadership system, which is profoundly undemocratic, would be better if they removed the tiny bit of Democracy that is in there.
General. Election. Now.
It is a huge dilemma for them. And the stuff that is coming down the track will only alienate more of them. Particularly removing the pension triple lock. A general Election anytime soon cannot possibly on the Tory agenda.
If they remove the triple lock, then they are risking oblivion at the polls. On the assumption that not all of the Government are stupid, the triple lock threat is only there to distract from the cuts they are going to make.
It annoys me that it is the Government of the Day (of whatever flavour) that decides when to hold an election. Under Cameron, we were moving away from that via the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011. But that was scrapped in 2019, reverting to the unfair (and undemocratic) position that the Government gets to choose exactly when the Public should be allowed to judge them, and either endorse or remove them.
Some of this goes a bit far. Not the Edwina Currie bit obviously-spot on. Liked the "who's queen?" comparison, too.
It irks me that 55% of Tory Members say that she needs to go.
When they were the ones that put her there. It's not like it was a secret that she wasn't up to the job. The electorate would never, and likely will never, vote for her.
But the few people who put her there seem to think it's someone else's fault. And MPs seem to be trying to work out exactly how it would be better if their leadership system, which is profoundly undemocratic, would be better if they removed the tiny bit of Democracy that is in there.
General. Election. Now.
It is a huge dilemma for them. And the stuff that is coming down the track will only alienate more of them. Particularly removing the pension triple lock. A general Election anytime soon cannot possibly on the Tory agenda.
If they remove the triple lock, then they are risking oblivion at the polls. On the assumption that not all of the Government are stupid, the triple lock threat is only there to distract from the cuts they are going to make.
It annoys me that it is the Government of the Day (of whatever flavour) that decides when to hold an election. Under Cameron, we were moving away from that via the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011. But that was scrapped in 2019, reverting to the unfair (and undemocratic) position that the Government gets to choose exactly when the Public should be allowed to judge them, and either endorse or remove them.
Ridiculous.
It is much worse than ridiculous. I await the plan at the end of the month with great interest. She has u-turned on her promise of no spending cuts. I am not confident that the triple lock is safe. They are apparently also discussing doing away with, or at least delaying the social care cap. How can they make substantial spending cuts? There is an NHS waiting list of 7 million. Not to mention people spending days on trolleys waiting for a bed, delays to the ambulance responses, and more people than ever waiting for more than 4 hours in A&E. Less than 6% of recorded crime results in a charge. Education is struggling to reach 2010 funding levels in real terms. All the above are ridiculously short of staff. Social Care alone is short of 165,000 staff. Prisons are struggling, the courts have a massive backlog. The agreed increase to Defence spending no longer seems certain. It is difficult to point to anything that is going well. Everybody seems to be going on strike. Increased taxes have been threatened.
We seem to be forever wanting to pat ourselves on the back in this country for being world class at everything. We also compliment ourselves on being a great democracy. Unfortunately none of this seems to stand up to much scrutiny.
Some of this goes a bit far. Not the Edwina Currie bit obviously-spot on. Liked the "who's queen?" comparison, too.
It irks me that 55% of Tory Members say that she needs to go.
When they were the ones that put her there. It's not like it was a secret that she wasn't up to the job. The electorate would never, and likely will never, vote for her.
But the few people who put her there seem to think it's someone else's fault. And MPs seem to be trying to work out exactly how it would be better if their leadership system, which is profoundly undemocratic, would be better if they removed the tiny bit of Democracy that is in there.
General. Election. Now.
It is a huge dilemma for them. And the stuff that is coming down the track will only alienate more of them. Particularly removing the pension triple lock. A general Election anytime soon cannot possibly on the Tory agenda.
If they remove the triple lock, then they are risking oblivion at the polls. On the assumption that not all of the Government are stupid, the triple lock threat is only there to distract from the cuts they are going to make.
It annoys me that it is the Government of the Day (of whatever flavour) that decides when to hold an election. Under Cameron, we were moving away from that via the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011. But that was scrapped in 2019, reverting to the unfair (and undemocratic) position that the Government gets to choose exactly when the Public should be allowed to judge them, and either endorse or remove them.
Ridiculous.
It is much worse than ridiculous. I await the plan at the end of the month with great interest. She has u-turned on her promise of no spending cuts. I am not confident that the triple lock is safe. They are apparently also discussing doing away with, or at least delaying the social care cap. How can they make substantial spending cuts? There is an NHS waiting list of 7 million. Not to mention people spending days on trolleys waiting for a bed, delays to the ambulance responses, and more people than ever waiting for more than 4 hours in A&E. Less than 6% of recorded crime results in a charge. Education is struggling to reach 2010 funding levels in real terms. All the above are ridiculously short of staff. Social Care alone is short of 165,000 staff. Prisons are struggling, the courts have a massive backlog. The agreed increase to Defence spending no longer seems certain. It is difficult to point to anything that is going well. Everybody seems to be going on strike. Increased taxes have been threatened.
We seem to be forever wanting to pat ourselves on the back in this country for being world class at everything. We also compliment ourselves on being a great democracy. Unfortunately none of this seems to stand up to much scrutiny.
Liz Truss refuses to commit to triple lock on pensions despite backing it two weeks ago – UK politics live
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1. For 3 elections in a row, the Public have voted for a PM and policies, only for the Tories to decide that they would like totally different policies and PM than that voted for-Cameron, May, Johnson. All 3 dramatically different in style and policies. But no election.
2. We have a new PM, Truss. A person who never topped the MPs vote. She only made the top 2 for the first time in the last vote
3. She is voted in, not by the Electorate, not even by MPs, but by Tory Party Membership. She only had 1 policy-she had discovered a Magic Money tree, whereby you could cut taxes, increase spending on just about everything, and simultaneously reduce debt. Which within days has been shown to be complete nonsense. This from the Party that is traditionally strongest on the Economy.
4. We now have the absurdity of dismantling all the "new" stuff that got her "elected", while she has only about 3 of the ablest 10 Tories in her Cabinet. While the Tory MPs openly discuss how to remove her, not only without a public vote, but without even a vote according to Tory Rules. They just intend to rewrite them, to have retrospective effect. Purely because they fear a Democratic vote
There needs to be a General Election. Now. So that the Public can exercise a Democratic choice.
Because this country deserves better than this.
Although there is a huge difference between what should happen, and what is likely to occur.
Surely the worst option is that Truss remains as PM.
You would think that a country as clever as us would have legislation in place covering the running of all political parties.
Why should they differ from one to the other?
Shouldnt they all be run fairly, and democratically.
Any real changes are likely to take place in the longer term, if at all.
Maybe a no confidence vote in a PM, should be considered a no confidence vote in the government, and therefore trigger a general election.
Although the parties themselves are unlikely to be in favour of this, as they will always wish to remain in power.
They make the rules to suit themselves, not us.
'She's detained on urgent business'....... and getting slated by Keir Starmer
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/liz-truss-charmless-graceless-brainless-143453985.html
Twitter users are mocking u-turn prone Liz Truss amid ongoing economic crisis
They think her days in office are numbered, calling her a 'former Prime Minister'
Others mocked her for 'hiding' from the public while the economy is tanking
The memes come as she vowed to lead Tories 'into the next general election'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11326915/Britons-mercilessly-mock-embattled-PM-Liz-Truss-floods-memes-social-media.html
Police were called to reports of a suspicious package in Whitehall at 11.42am
Government buildings along Whitehall were emptied, an official said
Hundreds of people were seen gathered at tourist spot Horse Guards Parade
Specialist officers have assessed the item and declared it as non-suspicious
Social media users are making jokes after it was confirmed as a false alarm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11327503/Hundreds-people-evacuated-Whitehall-Downing-Street-suspicious-package-found.html
It irks me that 55% of Tory Members say that she needs to go.
When they were the ones that put her there. It's not like it was a secret that she wasn't up to the job. The electorate would never, and likely will never, vote for her.
But the few people who put her there seem to think it's someone else's fault. And MPs seem to be trying to work out exactly how it would be better if their leadership system, which is profoundly undemocratic, would be better if they removed the tiny bit of Democracy that is in there.
General. Election. Now.
And the stuff that is coming down the track will only alienate more of them.
Particularly removing the pension triple lock.
A general Election anytime soon cannot possibly on the Tory agenda.
It seems that we have spending cuts, tax increases, inflation, higher mortgage rates, austerity, no pension triple lock, a real terms reduction in benefits, lots of strikes, and another energy bills predicament to look forward to in April.
It is difficult to see any improvement.
One of these days someone will suggest re-joining the EU.
According to the OBR leaving reduced GDP by 4%.
So that would create some growth, and fill a lot of vacancies.
Although it would be as likely as the Tories calling for a General Election.
It annoys me that it is the Government of the Day (of whatever flavour) that decides when to hold an election. Under Cameron, we were moving away from that via the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011. But that was scrapped in 2019, reverting to the unfair (and undemocratic) position that the Government gets to choose exactly when the Public should be allowed to judge them, and either endorse or remove them.
Ridiculous.
I await the plan at the end of the month with great interest.
She has u-turned on her promise of no spending cuts.
I am not confident that the triple lock is safe.
They are apparently also discussing doing away with, or at least delaying the social care cap.
How can they make substantial spending cuts?
There is an NHS waiting list of 7 million.
Not to mention people spending days on trolleys waiting for a bed, delays to the ambulance responses, and more people than ever waiting for more than 4 hours in A&E.
Less than 6% of recorded crime results in a charge.
Education is struggling to reach 2010 funding levels in real terms.
All the above are ridiculously short of staff.
Social Care alone is short of 165,000 staff.
Prisons are struggling, the courts have a massive backlog.
The agreed increase to Defence spending no longer seems certain.
It is difficult to point to anything that is going well.
Everybody seems to be going on strike.
Increased taxes have been threatened.
We seem to be forever wanting to pat ourselves on the back in this country for being world class at everything.
We also compliment ourselves on being a great democracy.
Unfortunately none of this seems to stand up to much scrutiny.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/liz-truss-refuses-to-commit-to-triple-lock-on-pensions-despite-backing-it-two-weeks-ago-uk-politics-live/ar-AA135dLV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7a84d34f8d5e43ba8b87f58a72aad84f